Obama Camp 'Prepared To Talk To Hamas'

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guardian.co.uk   |  Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington   |   January 8, 2009 09:04 PM

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The incoming Obama administration is prepared to abandon George Bush's �doctrine of isolating Hamas by establishing a channel to the Islamist organisation, sources close to the transition team say.

The move to open contacts with Hamas, which could be initiated through the US intelligence services, would represent a definitive break with the Bush �presidency's ostracising of the group. The state department has designated Hamas a terrorist organisation, and in 2006 �Congress passed a law banning US financial aid to the group.

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The incoming Obama administration is prepared to abandon George Bush's �doctrine of isolating Hamas by establishing a channel to the Islamist organisation, sources close to the transition team say. ...
The incoming Obama administration is prepared to abandon George Bush's �doctrine of isolating Hamas by establishing a channel to the Islamist organisation, sources close to the transition team say. ...
 
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- MESGAIN26 I'm a Fan of MESGAIN26 11 fans permalink

ISRAEL ALLREADY TALKS TO HAMMAS THEY JUST DONT WANT US TALKING WITH THEM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 01/09/2009

Sure..

They talk to them from the skies. From the checkposts and from their army tanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 01/09/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

Talk to Hamas?

How about encouraged the founding and development of Hamas?

Israel encouraged "Islamism" as a counterweight to the PLO long ago and supposedly provided indirect funding to the original "Hamas" group (operating under another name).

See Richard Dreyfus "Devil's Game"

Martha Kessler (ex CIA)

Charles Freeman (former US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia)

Anthony Cordesman (CSS London)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 01/09/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 64 fans permalink

Good one....and on the money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 01/09/2009
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Gee, hope discussions don't, um, blow them away...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 01/09/2009
- Princeton I'm a Fan of Princeton 14 fans permalink

Hamas is no more of a bogyman than Vietcong was. Get over it and do the right thing so both Palestinians and Israeli people can have peace and the conflict can be put to bed before it becomes WWIII. So pack your cowboy mentality and put it in the attic for a while, act like grownups and get it done. Also, give the Israeli leaders and Feta other type of handouts so they don't thing their sugar daddy is going to leave them if there is no more enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 01/09/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 64 fans permalink

Good solution; cynical but realistic. Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 01/09/2009
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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So what is wrong with talking, has anything else worked so far?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/08/barack-obama-gaza-hamas

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 AM on 01/09/2009
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 235 fans permalink

Perhaps it's the design ... IMO, if you want peace you seek peace by diffusing the ire not inflaming it !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 01/09/2009
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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Yes, yet people just repeat their mistakes over and over, expecting different
results and these people, lead our countries around the world, in our name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 01/09/2009

Engage Hamas with the might of Israel and the US armed forces. That's how you end terrorism, not by talking to them.

www.usefulopinions.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 AM on 01/09/2009

The main source of international terrorism are the US and israeli military.

Try, for once, putting yourself in the shoes of a ordinary iraqi citizen during 'SHOCK AND AWE' or that of a palestinian refugee under operation 'CAST IRON' ( or some similar name ).

You would be living a life of daily terror. You can be shot, tortured, captured without trail - and Israel and the US just have to call you a terrorist - and that's It. No other questions need to be asked.

Today hamas might be called a terrorist group. But for the last 60+ years, every group of major palestinians have been called a terrorist. There is no group in palestine which has not been called a terrorist.

I guess it makes it easier to sell a genocide to the western audience this way - given the complicity of your media.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 01/09/2009
- Princeton I'm a Fan of Princeton 14 fans permalink

So what you're saying is do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result?

Like or not Hamas is the representative of the Palestinian people.

What Bush and Israel have been doing (and calling it negotiations) is to find a corrupt factions and dictate terms to them. Maybe what they should have talked to Hamas leaders, then they could have tried and offered them Swiss back accounts like they're probably doing Fata leaders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 01/09/2009
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This is not the right way to engage Hamas. It solves nothing and sure in heck doesn't end terroism. What will end terrorism is providing land, food, water and education so that all people may better themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 01/09/2009

No sir. That's how you create more terrorists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 01/09/2009
- gwhizz I'm a Fan of gwhizz 20 fans permalink

because that's worked so well so far.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 01/09/2009
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 69 fans permalink
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I don't believe this story. Not after the senate voted to unanimously reaffirm I has the right to de fend herself from G and the house is expected to follow posthaste.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/01/us_senate_supports_israels_gaza_incursion.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 AM on 01/09/2009

Your logic is muddled a bit. Talking with Hamas would not require recanting on the position that I has the right to defend itself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 01/09/2009
- HallStyle I'm a Fan of HallStyle 11 fans permalink
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We need to let the World Know that what BUSH was doing the last 8 years that this Administration isn't going to continue! We must speak to anyone we disagree with! Period. That is what ADULTS DO! We don't go running to our corner! We don't take our ball and go home. We deal with the situation. We show leadership. We don't BULLY AND INTIMIDATE! We point out our positions and make it clear where we stand. Then we look for areas where we CAN compromise and areas that we ALL can agree on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 AM on 01/09/2009

Dude...

I think you are in the wrong country

You are right in terms of optimal negotiating strategy - but the US negotiator­s/politici­ans have this in-built belief of FIRST AMONG EQUALS ( another way of saying - THE ONLY SUPERPOWER )

Every international negotiation has this stamp of supremacy and arrogance.

This goes back way more than 8 years. It goes back to the 2ed world war and beyond...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 01/09/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 113 fans permalink
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The truth is that during all these years all presidents speak with the enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 01/09/2009
- HallStyle I'm a Fan of HallStyle 11 fans permalink
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True! They just don't want to be seen as conceding anything. They always want to appear to be strong. It is all politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 AM on 01/09/2009
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Change that to "most" presidents and I'll concur. I very much doubt Bush did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 AM on 01/09/2009

The Obama campaign has already said this story is BULLSH*T! The Obama campaign has said that Obama has NO INTENTION of negotiating with Hamas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 01/09/2009
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and you took the trash out and made your bed right ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 01/09/2009
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 69 fans permalink
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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/01/us_senate_supports_israels_gaza_incursion.php

"When we pass this resolution, the United States Senate will strengthen our historic bond with the state of Israel, by reaffirming Israel's inalienable right to defend against attacks from Gaza, as well as our support for the Israeli-Palestinian peace process," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada ...."

Happened yesterday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 01/09/2009
- who38 I'm a Fan of who38 64 fans permalink

Good old Harry. Sheldon must be proud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 01/09/2009
- Clem2 I'm a Fan of Clem2 9 fans permalink

I think it's fine that he attempt to negotiate. But since Hamas goal is to obliterate Israel, unless they change their goal to something like caring about the Palestinian people, how do you deal with that? Israel can't agree to its own destruction, that's what Hamas lives for, none of the Arab countries want the Palestinians because of their extremism and they have, in fact, been booted out of some.... so I wish Obama well. Sincerely! I just don't see what can be accomplished with Hamas considering their stated goals.

And since the Palestinians selected them as their political leaders, I don't much care about them either. If the Arab nations around them don't care (other than to get at Israel), why should I?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 AM on 01/09/2009
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The way to get to Hamas is through Iran. Without Iran's support, they're nothing. Al Queda wants to take advantage of the chaos in Gaza to infiltrate. That would not please Iran, so that could be a bargaining chip to use in negotiations with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 AM on 01/09/2009

Hamas is Suni
Iran is Shiite

Iran's support for Hamas is rhetoric only.
You must be thinking of Hezbollah which Iran does support

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 01/09/2009

If you read :

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-is http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/opinion/08khalidi.html?_r=3rael-palestine
http://www.johnpilger.com/page.asp?partid=519

Then Google « us foreign aid to Israel” you’ll get over a million hits among which you should read at least : http://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf (prepared for Members and Committees of Congress )

Then you should agree that the President elect’s team should talk to Hamas and the rest of the people ignored by the current administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 AM on 01/09/2009
- FebM I'm a Fan of FebM 37 fans permalink

"An injustice somewhere is a threat to justice everywhere" MLK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 AM on 01/09/2009
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 136 fans permalink

I wonder what the difference in cost is between a phone call to Hamas and another bomb for Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 AM on 01/09/2009
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