Florida's Transgender Bathroom Rule Angers Conservatives

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RON WORD | January 10, 2009 02:38 PM EST | AP

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GAINESVILLE, Fla. — A blond girl heads from a playground into a women's restroom. A scruffy man, lurking outside, darts in behind her. "Your City Commission Made This Legal," the words on the TV screen read.

The dark ad came from opponents of a gender identity provision added last year to the city's anti-discrimination ordinance, which now allows the city's roughly 100 transgender residents to use whichever restroom they're most comfortable using.

Foes want to repeal the new protection with a March 24 ballot measure that has divided Gainesville, a generally gay-friendly university city surrounded by staunchly conservative north Florida.

Those who support the transgender protections say their opponents are really unleashing a broader attack on the rights of gay, lesbian and transgender individuals in general.

The city commission approved the restroom provision by a 4-3 vote a year ago. Before the ink could dry, Bible-quoting opponents angrily began working for its repeal.

"You are trying to operate in a realm you do not have the authority to operate in," one pastor, George Brantley, told the commissioners.

The debate is expected to become noisier as the ballot nears with opponents resorting to more TV ads and campaigns pegged to such slogans as "Keep Men out of Women's Restrooms and vice versa."

Organizations defending transgender rights are mustering their own campaign.

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The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force notes 108 cities and counties nationwide have similar transgender protections. An attempt to repeal an ordinance in Montgomery County, Md., failed when a court ruled opponents did not collect enough signatures to place it on the ballot.

Citizens for Good Public Policy, the group behind the commercial that aired last summer in Gainesville, collected more than 6,000 signatures last summer to win a referendum. If approved, the repeal measure would also prevent the commission from adding protections beyond what the state requires: race, color, sex, religion, national origin, age, disability and marital status.

Cain Davis, chairman of Citizens for Good Public Policy, said the issue is about regulating a "government gone wild" and ensuring public safety, charging that sexual predators could now simply enter a women's restroom claiming to be a transgender individual.

"We know when men go into women's restrooms, bad things can happen," Davis said.

City Commissioner Craig Lowe, leader of a group called Equality is Gainesville's Business, called the ads from Davis' group a grossly distorted attempt to whip up fears.

Lowe's group believes anti-discrimination protections for people who change their sexual orientation are good for business and foster diversity. He noted that 433 of the Fortune 500 companies have policies covering sexual orientation and 153 cover gender identity.

Since the ordinance took effect, police have reported no problems in public restrooms stemming from the law.

Retired postal worker Donna Lee, who became a female with surgery in 2001, moved to Gainesville from Ocala last March after hearing about the anti-discrimination ordinance. The 60-year-old is working to save the protections.

"We just want to live our lives with the basic civil rights that everyone else has," Lee said.

But some are taking no chances.

Computer programmer Clare Holman, who was born male but now lives as a female, said she simply stays away from public toilets.

"I don't want to run afoul of the law by using the wrong restroom," Holman said.

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On the Net:

Equality is Gainesville's Business: http://equalitygainesville.com

Citizens for Good Public Policy: http://citizensforgoodpublicpolicy.org

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — A blond girl heads from a playground into a women's restroom. A scruffy man, lurking outside, darts in behind her. "Your City Commission Made This Legal," the words on the TV...
GAINESVILLE, Fla. — A blond girl heads from a playground into a women's restroom. A scruffy man, lurking outside, darts in behind her. "Your City Commission Made This Legal," the words on the TV...
 
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When I was in the service many years ago and stationed in Italy I traveled throughout Europe and there were many unisex bathrooms. It was and still is an acceptable practice as there were no religious "nannies" monitoring everyone's toilet habits. You could go into a stall, take care of your business, while someone of the opposite sex was in the stall next to you. It took a bit of getting used to but in the long run there were no problems. Perhaps in Florida's case they should have a bathroom designated FOR CHILDREN ONLY! As the saying says "if you gotta go, you gotta go."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 01/12/2009
- wolfgangmo I'm a Fan of wolfgangmo 21 fans permalink
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The problem here is not bathroom, but someone besides some fundie "daddy" having theoretical access to his "baby girl." You know. The one he takes on dates and extorts "virginity pledges" from right before the fun begins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 01/13/2009
- suhud I'm a Fan of suhud 7 fans permalink

Exactly. I live in Germany, where unisex bathrooms are not uncommon--and not problemati­c--either. Wonder what the "religious nannies" would say if they knew that was standard practice back in the Biblical times, as well? I hardly imagine their Lord and Saviour was as uptight and intolerant as they.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 01/13/2009
- AngieMom57 I'm a Fan of AngieMom57 68 fans permalink
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SOLUTION: Composting Toilets

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 01/12/2009
- weatherwaxx I'm a Fan of weatherwaxx 253 fans permalink

Right answer, wrong question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 01/12/2009
- whatevahs I'm a Fan of whatevahs 4 fans permalink

I havent seen that ad but it sounds ridiculous to me.
Transgenders are typically nonviolent people who are struggling to find their place in a world that can be very cruel to them. The one exception I've seen on TV is Alexis Arquette. That crazy chick goes megaton at the drop of a hat.
But for the most part, a transgender female is attracted to men and therefore a young boy or girl would not likely be at risk..The same for a transgendered male or even a gay or lesbian person.
I am sick of people who make this assumption that gay men or transgendered females are at risk for child molestation. Statistics have shown time and time again that child sex offenders tend to identify themselves as "straight" and many even have children of their own. In my work I have seen literally dozens of these pervs sentenced and every one of them was a "straight" man who preyed on children (boys and/or girls) and very, very few of them ever took responsibility.
As a father, I would feel more comfortable with my children being alone with a homosexual or lesbian or transgender than I would any straight person that I was not at least related to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 01/12/2009

Yes, thank you!!! It's the brainwashing the church has done that makes some ignorant people believe that gays are for some reason more likely to molest children than their hetero counterparts. Just like the myths WMDs that were really lurking in Iraq, Saddam was the one responsible for 9/11, and abstinence only education working.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 01/13/2009
- whatevahs I'm a Fan of whatevahs 4 fans permalink

I agree with you about the brainwashing that is common in many churches, however regarding your statement about WMDs, let me refresh your memory about a few truths:

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions, (including, if appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 01/13/2009

Whateveahs,

I really hate to tell you this, but according to the FBI, 85% of child molestation is committed by a direct family member or someone close to the family. Only 15% of molestation is done by a stranger. Molestation by a woman does happen, but it is very rare.

That being said, I would much rather leave my child in the hands of someone gay or lesbian than a straight man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 01/13/2009
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What rooms should lesbigays use?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 01/12/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 58 fans permalink

oh my, the fundies can only handle one moral catastrophe at time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 01/12/2009
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wanna really blow their minds? how about "trans-lesbians"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 01/13/2009
- andvoodoo2 I'm a Fan of andvoodoo2 119 fans permalink
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I'd much rather have my kid using a bathroom next to a transgendered person than the toe ta.pp.ing Republican Senator Lar.ry Cr.aig.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 01/12/2009

Whats wrong with a gay guy tring to get a date in a bathroom?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 01/12/2009
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Nothing, unless there is an archaic law being enforced in the next stall by a cop....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 01/13/2009
- whatevahs I'm a Fan of whatevahs 4 fans permalink

Nothing as long as there are no children in the bathroom at the same time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 01/13/2009
- whatevahs I'm a Fan of whatevahs 4 fans permalink

Are you trying to say that gay men are the same as child molesters? They are not. In fact, statistics show that men who identify themselves as "straight" are more at risk of being sex offenders than gay men.
Please take your homophobia somewhere else!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 01/12/2009
- robivecchi I'm a Fan of robivecchi 5 fans permalink

I think andvoodoo2 is criticizing closeted conservative bigots who seek sexual encounters in public restrooms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 01/12/2009
- postman606 I'm a Fan of postman606 67 fans permalink
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You missed that pitch by a mile.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 01/12/2009

Actually though I kind of agree, not that I think a closet case is going to molest my kids, but seriously I'd rather explain transgender peeps than random sex in a nasty public bathroom. I had to sit on a toilet and listen to two people get it on in the stall next to me, and that grossed me out. (I mean, the germs that lurk in a restroom! Gross.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 01/13/2009

Seems simple to me. If you're a transgendered person and have "boobs" and look like a women go to the ladies room. I've been told the ladies room has stalls with doors. Do the sit down routine and don't ever leave the toilet seat up! You've provided a great disguise so don't step out of character. Or of course you could move to Key West where no one really cares. Great Spot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 01/12/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 58 fans permalink

... or Portland.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 01/12/2009

True. But what if you're a girl who looks like a guy and you're not even transgendered? Are conservative Christians going to start kicking them out of the women's room too? This whole business of judging someone else's gender based on their looks is getting ridiculous. Gender is more than genitals (and sometimes genitals are ambiguous too- another wrench in the conservative Christian's rigid two-gender mindset!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 01/12/2009
- weatherwaxx I'm a Fan of weatherwaxx 253 fans permalink

I say close the blasted door of your toilet stall and stop obsessing about who's P ing next door.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 01/12/2009
- NWBrunette I'm a Fan of NWBrunette 58 fans permalink

And gender and sex are not the same thing. "sex" is your body - hormones, dna, genitals, etc. And you're right that it isn't always clear. "gender" is the presentation - clothes, mannerisms, preferences, etc. they aren't the same thing and they don't necessarily line up. And transgender has nothing to do with being gay or lesbian, or with sexual orientation. Hopefully you all will have a chance to meet a transgendered person if you haven't already. It's an enlightening experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 01/13/2009

Somebody tell me the name of one decent 'christian"...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 01/12/2009

Jesus?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 01/12/2009
- whatevahs I'm a Fan of whatevahs 4 fans permalink

tell me the name of one decent Islamist

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 01/12/2009

Not the point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 01/12/2009
- weatherwaxx I'm a Fan of weatherwaxx 253 fans permalink

The word is "Muslim." How about Muhammad Ali?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 01/12/2009
- weatherwaxx I'm a Fan of weatherwaxx 253 fans permalink

The term is M U S L I M.

Mohammed Ali

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 01/12/2009

not the point.. but I know many good Muslims. I know many good Jews. I know many good Christians. I know many good Atheists. The point is not what religion we practice but how we treat our fellow man, and no religion has the market cornered on either goodness or evil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 01/13/2009
- weatherwaxx I'm a Fan of weatherwaxx 253 fans permalink

Gene Robinson

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 01/12/2009
- omo I'm a Fan of omo 3 fans permalink

It is unchristian to have a down-low relationship while still married to your wife. In spite of the gay spin. Obviously the good pastor's homosexual appetites were more important to him than was his spouse, his helpmeet, the mother of his children. But that's so okay in gayland, we know how you secretly feel about us breeders !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 01/13/2009
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my grandmother.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 01/13/2009
- elr50 I'm a Fan of elr50 20 fans permalink

Seems to me all of the nuttiest, and worse things that could befall this country happen in Florida. Hanging chads anyone? What a sh--ty state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 01/12/2009
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Way to generalize. Key West is one of the most liberal cities in America and is home to many glbt people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 01/12/2009
- whatevahs I'm a Fan of whatevahs 4 fans permalink

LOL
You have GOT to be kidding me! andvoodoo2 is going to criticize someone for generalizing? Man! Talk about the pot and the freakin kettle here!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 01/12/2009
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Conservative Crap should read the headline...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 01/12/2009
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Who knew crap had a gender....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 01/12/2009

Ok, one question.

Has this EVER actually happened?

Of course, if it did, it would be bad, and the full EXISTING law should be applied on the perpetrator.
Yet, it seems that this is an exceedingly childish fear. The very scenario sounds absurd.

It seems obvious to me, that this is just an orchestrated move to insult and humiliate the transgendered among us, as others have said. A smear campaign to equate transgendered women with rapists and perverts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 01/12/2009
- weatherwaxx I'm a Fan of weatherwaxx 253 fans permalink

This is just more swiftboat-style Bee Ess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 01/12/2009

Exactly what I was going to say! A creep following someone into a bathroom and then committing the crime that is implied IS illegal. As it should be. The rights of a transgendered person (who I wouldn't be surprised to learn are probably LESS likely than other people to commit a sex crime) to use whichever bathroom better suits them has nothing to do with crimes commited in a public restroom.

You're right on it: it's a smear campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 01/12/2009

Oh my Lord in Heaven, what's next? Will the good people in this sin-loving Florida town be forced to share the same bathrooms with all members of their own families, male and female alike?

Let us forever keep the strictly-segregated gents' and ladies' restrooms in our homes, as Christ Jesus intended!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 01/12/2009
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Halelujah brother. Amen.

I feel GaaaahhhhD commanding me to move to Florida and go into the plumbing supply business in his name. Yeeeeessssss. Plungers for GaaaahhhhhD.

Can I hear an Amen?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 01/13/2009

Sometimes when men go into mens' bathrooms bad things happen. When little boys go into mens' bathrooms bad things happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 01/12/2009
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said the priest to this parishoneers..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 01/12/2009
- mcamp52 I'm a Fan of mcamp52 6 fans permalink

Isn't every bathroom on airplanes a transgender bathroom?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 01/12/2009
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We must stop the evil FAA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 01/13/2009
- JScott I'm a Fan of JScott 20 fans permalink

Jeez just campaign for clean restrooms!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 01/12/2009

THANK YOU.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 01/13/2009
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