Newsweek Reporters: Obama Should Keep Torture

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January 12, 2009 10:15 AM

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A Newsweek article, detailing the legacy that Dick Cheney is leaving for the incoming Obama administration, contains a description of a scene that I think may be steeped in apocrypha:

At a retirement ceremony recently for a top-level intelligence official, the senior spooks in the room gave each other high-fives. They were celebrating the fact that terrorists have not attacked the United States since 9/11. In the view of many intelligence professionals, the get-tough measures encouraged or permitted by George W. Bush's administration--including "waterboarding" self-proclaimed 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed--kept America safe. Cheney himself has been underscoring the point in a round of farewell interviews. "If I had advice to give it would be, before you start to implement your campaign rhetoric, you need to sit down and find out precisely what it is we did and how we did it, because it is going to be vital to keeping the nation safe and secure in the years ahead," he told CBS Radio.

I have to imagine that if you were to shake the hand of a "senior spook," it would be heavily callused from high-fives, seeing that terrorist attacks on the United States are, by any estimation, far rarer than retirement parties. The authors are willing to admit that the outgoing administration did a lot of "flaunting executive power, ignoring Congress, [and] showing scorn for anyone who waved the banner of civil liberties." But they seem to think that the Obama administration, despite having promised to dial back the Bush/Cheney legacy of transforming the Executive Branch into an unchecked ranch of authoritarianism, will have a difficult time in the undoing of that, making it unlikely that "he will wildly overcorrect for the Bush administration's abuses."

That would be a shame, and not just because Obama promised otherwise. The Bush administration takes it as an article of faith that they will receive some sort of credit for having prevented attacks on the United States. But, again, a historical comparison makes this a pretty slim accomplishment among presidents. I'll remember the Bush administration as one that failed to avail themselves of the means at their disposal to keep us safe. Let's recall, for auld lang syne, that ancient and forgotten Presidential Daily Brief. Also, 9/11 -- aren't we supposed to be "never forgetting?" Let's just say that if there's a club, in this life or the next, of Presidents who give each other high-fives for preventing terrorist attacks on the United States, George W. Bush will not be a member.

But, more to the point: Dick Cheney wants us to believe that it was their willingness to use torture and the waterboarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed that has significantly moved the needle of "victory" in our favor. This is poorly reasoned. A lack of attacks on the U.S. does not account for the spectacular job al Qaeda has done getting away with the one it did. Whatever intelligence was gained from torture hasn't rooted al Qaeda from its safe perch or significantly thrown their operational ability into disarray. And the simple fact of the matter is that Bush and Cheney glibly elide over the reality of what happens when we remove our moral ballast from the equation and denigrate our democratic values by torturing others. If I could leave you with one thought here in the last days of the Bush administration, let it be this: our policy of torture may never come to be known as the means by which attacks were prevented, but it will inevitably serve as the inspiration for the next one that succeeds.

A Newsweek article, detailing the legacy that Dick Cheney is leaving for the incoming Obama administration, contains a description of a scene that I think may be steeped in apocrypha: At a retirement...
A Newsweek article, detailing the legacy that Dick Cheney is leaving for the incoming Obama administration, contains a description of a scene that I think may be steeped in apocrypha: At a retirement...
 
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- psmarc93 I'm a Fan of psmarc93 10 fans permalink

This is more of the same from Bush apologists -- "if you knew all the secret stuff we know, you'd realize how effective we really were!" Or, as Rachel Maddow puts it so perfectly, "... that in reality, the Bush Presidency was SECRETLY awesome!" It's conveniently impossible to argue, and, as always, calls on America to put their full trust in people who have proved so deeply untrustworthy in so many observable ways in the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 01/12/2009

Extremely poorly written.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 01/12/2009
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed. I got stuck on an early non-sentence:
"At a retirement ceremony recently for a top-level intelligence official..­."

Did they mean to say "At a recent retirement ceremony..­." or "At a retirement ceremony recently held..."
Seems as if the editor blows on the page and it's done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 01/12/2009
- Ouroboros I'm a Fan of Ouroboros 5 fans permalink

Newsweek is only barely readable and mostly wrong about everything anyhow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 01/12/2009
- Teas I'm a Fan of Teas 3 fans permalink

NO to torture. It doesn't work and we're better than that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 01/12/2009
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 82 fans permalink
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"The Bush administration takes it as an article of faith that they will receive some sort of credit for having prevented attacks on the United States."

Here are the Republicans using Rovian logic, as they have all along.
They are guilty of NOT preventing an attack on the United States, the one on 9/11.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 01/12/2009
- cityspeak I'm a Fan of cityspeak 5 fans permalink

The next time an American war criminal, defined as anyone in public office that approved and was key in implementing torture, tells the lie "that torture works" will someone please bring up the Salem witch trials? Torture "worked so well" that it got the witches to confess to dancing with the devil at night and bewitching their neighbors. It worked so well that you had people naming their neighbors which led to executions, more torture and lengthy inhumane detainment that in some case lasted years, sound familiar?

History now points out that the Salem trials were mostly about real estate, the east part of Salem accusing people on the west side of town. What is the war on terror but a mad grab for real estate located over or near oil, in a region the neocons see as key to American Empire.

I point to Cheney's secret energy meeting in early 2001 as proof that the war on terror is an excuse for an incursion into the middle east. Of course we American citizens are not allowed to see who was at the meeting or what was discussed and planned. So if I'm wrong ,show me the meetihng notes and if you aren't willing to do that please go down in history as the most corrupt , inept, criminally insane group of men that ever ran the USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 01/12/2009

Worth a repeat:

"If I could leave you with one thought here in the last days of the Bush administration, let it be this: our policy of torture may never come to be known as the means by which attacks were prevented, but it will inevitably serve as the inspiration for the next one that succeeds."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 01/12/2009
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 106 fans permalink
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I can't decide whether this is sarcasm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 01/12/2009
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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Dripping with it, and for good reason. The last line sums it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 01/12/2009
- paulfree17 I'm a Fan of paulfree17 11 fans permalink

The first world trade center attack was in February of 1993, one month after Clinton's Inauguration. With the exception of right wing terrorism in Oklahoma City we were not attacked by Al Qaeda again until Bush took office in 2001.

This despite the fact that Clinton did not have to create Guantanamo, or use torture or warrantless wiretaps. He did not have to invade another country or two.

We were able to convict and imprison the perpetrators of the 1993 attack without stepping on constitution rights or resorting to military tribunals.

There is no reason that we could not have handled the 2001 attack the same way. Both attacks had the same purpose just the one in 2001 was more successful from the terrorists point of view. They were hoping to bring the towers down in 1993 as well.

The thing we need to worry about is that both attacks happened in the first year of a new administration so I am hoping and I feel confident that Obama will at least read his daily briefings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 01/12/2009
- shengirl I'm a Fan of shengirl 10 fans permalink

It was 8 years between the first and second attacks on the WTC, all without torture or trashing the Constitution

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 01/12/2009
- oliv0128 I'm a Fan of oliv0128 28 fans permalink
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This coming from the magazine that just praised Samuel Huntington as the greatest political theorist of this century. What the heck!!??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 01/12/2009
- apoyo I'm a Fan of apoyo 41 fans permalink

How can you crow about preventing attacks when the biggest one happened on your watch?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 01/12/2009

You would think the media would catch something like that. But then you would also have to think "real journalists" are involved in the news business. Isn't Joe the plumber Newsweeek's newest member?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 01/12/2009
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That is their biggest "inconvenient truth".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 01/12/2009
- DuPageDem I'm a Fan of DuPageDem 19 fans permalink

A modest proposal: Let's put people to work building a huge steel lightning deflector covering the entire country. I will feel so much more secure, since lightning has killed far more Americans than have terrorists. We can use recycled steel from cast-off motor vehicles -- soon to be outlawed because traffic accidents also kill far more people than terrorists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 01/12/2009
- oldugly I'm a Fan of oldugly 2 fans permalink

the only problem with torture is its misapplication. It doesn't work very well for gathering info. it should be used just for fun and exercise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 01/12/2009
- Petey131 I'm a Fan of Petey131 31 fans permalink

Keeping torturing? Sure, lets start with the reporters over at Newsweek.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 01/12/2009
- gvidal I'm a Fan of gvidal 5 fans permalink

Maybe you should watch a little 24 for a reality check.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 01/12/2009

24 is fiction , and hyperoverblown fiction at that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 01/12/2009

Dear God!

Watch a fictional television show for a dose of reality? A show which is successful precisely because of its mania for cliffhanging episode endings and outrageously fanciful plots founded on their ability to attract viewers in search of escape?

OK. The hard news where you are concerned is that 24 is not historical; that wrestling is scripted pseudo-combat; and that there is no tooth fairy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 01/12/2009

everyone should realize the so called "liberal" press is really all of the same ILK. ALL THE SAME they all go to the same martini parties, the same DC restaurants, talk to the same people read the same papers, SUPPORT ISRAEL EXACTLY THE SAME. None of the MSM is liberal because they lie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 01/12/2009
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None of the MSM is liberal because 90% of the MSM is owned by a few corporations owned by conservatives. Obama needs to do something about the media consolidation and take us back to where no one entity could own more than a couple of news outlets.

The conservatives control the MSM and therefore the conservatives control the news we get.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 01/12/2009
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 144 fans permalink

The media is first and foremost, and almost always: A way to sell advertising.

Not news. Soap!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 01/12/2009
- Durango I'm a Fan of Durango 144 fans permalink

There was never a "liberal media".

it was always a figment of the imagination of Spiro Agnew, Richard Nixon and Pat Buchanan.

It is just that back in the day the Corporate media called what has since become the agenda of the mainstream Republican Party what it really was (and is).

The Lunatic Fringe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 01/12/2009
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