Krugman, Reich, Take Obama Up On Stimulus Advice

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January 12, 2009 11:12 AM

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Last week, Barack Obama let it be known that when it came to formulating a stimulus bill, all ideas were welcome -- whether they came from the bowels of conservative fiscal philosophy or New York Times columnist Paul Krugman.

"I want this to work," said the president-elect. "This is not an intellectual exercise, and there's no pride of authorship. If somebody has an idea for a tax cut that's better than we've proposed, then we'll embrace it... If Paul Krugman has a good idea, in terms of how to spend money efficiently and effectively to jump-start the economy, then we're going to do it."

Now Krugman has taken Obama up on his offer. Writing in today's Times, the Nobel Prize winning economist puts together a laundry list of economic to-do's, with the general theme of making the stimulus "bigger."

• "Mr. Obama should scrap his proposal for $150 billion in business tax cuts"
• He should "get an early start on the insurance subsidies -- probably running at $100 billion or more per year"
• His plan should "include[e] a lot more public investment in his plan."
• He should not "wait for proof that a bigger, longer-term plan is needed... Right now the investment portion of the Obama plan is limited by a shortage of "shovel ready" projects, projects ready to go on short notice. A lot more investment can be under way by late 2010 or 2011 if Mr. Obama gives the go-ahead now -- but if he waits too long before deciding, that window of opportunity will be gone."

In providing Obama stimulus advice, Krugman is not alone. Writing on his personal blog, last week, former Labor Secretary Robert Reich had a specific recommendation for Obama's economic team. If you wanted to create "lots of new jobs" while also investing "in the nation's future productivity," go green, he wrote.

... there's no reason to think about "green jobs" as simply high-tech. Many low-income and low-skilled workers -- women as well as men -- could be put directly to work providing homes and businesses with more efficient and renewable heating, lighting, cooling, and refrigeration systems; installing solar panels and efficient photovoltaic systems; rehabilitating and renovating old properties, and improving recycling systems. "Green Jobs Corps" teams could be trained to evaluate and advise homeowners and businesses on these and other means of conserving energy.


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I'd suggest that all contracts entered into with stimulus funds require contractors to provide at least 20 percent of jobs to the long-term unemployed and to people within comes at or below 200 percent of the federal poverty level. And at least 2 percent of project funds should be allocated to such training. In addition, advantage should be taken of buildings trades apprenticeships -- which must be fully available to women and minorities.

As Reich and others argue, training people for "green jobs" could be a relatively cheap down payment for long-term economic growth. Employers may have to be nudged into helping -- one of the chief concerns is not the cost but that a large enough work force won't be in place -- but once the ball is rolling a green corps could provide a large bang for the stimulus buck. And Obama has offered support for the idea.

"Not only does it generate good high paying long term jobs," said Sasha Mackler, a research director for the National Commission on Energy Policy, which will be releasing a report on jobs generated from energy projects this coming spring. "It also gets us going in the direction we need to be in a lot of other fronts, including climate change and energy, which will be good for Americans in other areas."

Last week, Barack Obama let it be known that when it came to formulating a stimulus bill, all ideas were welcome -- whether they came from the bowels of conservative fiscal philosophy or New York Time...
Last week, Barack Obama let it be known that when it came to formulating a stimulus bill, all ideas were welcome -- whether they came from the bowels of conservative fiscal philosophy or New York Time...
 
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- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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Interestingly enough, not only is Krugman a Keynesian economist,
(while Obama's economic people are of the Chicago School of
Milton Friedman), it turns out that Larry Summers is actually
a converted *former* Keynesian. This could get very ugly,
yet still very boring, as only economics can be.

NYT op-ed - 'The Great Liberator' - LAWRENCE H. SUMMERS
November 19, 2006 - Brookline, Mass.

'IF John Maynard Keynes was the most influential economist of the first half of the 20th
century, then Milton Friedman was the most influential economist of the second half. '...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/19/opinion/19summers.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 01/13/2009
- Doofus I'm a Fan of Doofus 25 fans permalink
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Where Obama and Krugman may both be wrong is that we need not
only to be re-arranging the deck chairs faster, we need more of them.

Sure, the faulty rivets popped off the hull when we hit the 'berg, but if we sail
the ship fast enough, we may still get her into port before she goes down.

That's the theory anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 01/13/2009

Where were these great experts before the economy became a disaster? If they did not figure it out top prevent it with their so-called expertise, they should not be anywhere near Obama. We have a lot of media proclaimed experts without any substantive achievements. We need new blood and new ways of doing business. Jay-Z does not have a Phd in economics or an MBA from the Wharton School of Business; yet, he can teach our great experts a thing or two about economics. Don't be fooled!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 01/12/2009
- suekzoo I'm a Fan of suekzoo 3 fans permalink

You really think the Bushies would have listened to anything Krugman or Reich had to say? Come on now...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 01/12/2009
- cqyates I'm a Fan of cqyates 2 fans permalink

Original poster needs to get a clue. Reich wrote a book called Super Capitalism which talked about many of the problems we are in today

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 01/13/2009

They've been right where they are now, saying the same things. Only Bush and his band of clowns would never listen to these folks. The conservatives entire economic lexicon is this: "trickle down," "tax cuts," "reduce capital gains tax," "free market solutions," and "Reaganomi­cs." Which is exactly why we're in the deep doo-doo we're in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 01/13/2009
- gr8abz I'm a Fan of gr8abz 4 fans permalink

Do you honestly think the Bush administration gave a damn about Krugman's opinions or Reich's? These 'guys' were there alright but got no respect from the Team Bush and we paid the price. Not only was it arrogance and negligence on behalf of these Republican morons but they are also raving paranoids who fear losing control. Luckily for us Obama is cool and level headed. As a result he has opened the doors on a lot things that will help make this country great again. That includes LISTENING to other intelligent people who might have more knowledge than he does on complicated issues. That's called being a wise leader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 AM on 01/13/2009
- tel8034 I'm a Fan of tel8034 89 fans permalink

..........­.......... And Krugman HAD TO contact Obama through the NY Times, because I guess all the phone lines and the internet were down.

Does Krugman REALLY want to help, or is he seeking more publicity for himself, or is he just grandstanding, or is he upset that he is not a part of the Obama cabinet? ..........­.......... Isn't his nobel prize and the appearances on the cable circuit enough publicity for him as it is?

Doesn't Krugman know that SELF PRAISE IS NO RECOMMENDATION?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 01/12/2009
- MsMicki I'm a Fan of MsMicki 2 fans permalink

Yeah tel8034, I'm with you. My first thought was why are you contacting Obama through the NYT.
If he really has answers, he probably should be there for questions. I'm sorry, seems like grandstanding to me.

Also, some folks were quick to point out when the question was asked "where were all these economic scholars with their advice" before we got to this point, with responses that Bush and Cheney wouldn't and didn't listen to them. Then why didn't the media challenge the Bush administration with constant rhetoric on what should be done and why nobody is doing it. They are all over Obama before the man takes his oath. Yet, I didn't hear a peep, nor were there echoes of indignation why nobody was asking the questions to Bush's monstrous administration.

The hypocrisy of it all. Good-bye and good riddance. And thanks, but no thanks to that economic help Paul.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 AM on 01/13/2009
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Ummm, you don't exactly just decide you are going to visit the PE to give him your thoughts and then buy a plane ticket and head out. You have to be invited by the PE. Had this been the case I am sure Krugman would have met with the man to delineate his ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 01/13/2009

Where's Joe Stiglitz?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 01/12/2009
- impatient I'm a Fan of impatient 10 fans permalink

Stiglitz is a brilliant Nobel Prize winning economist whose work on globalization has won him world wide praise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 01/12/2009
- cutandrun I'm a Fan of cutandrun 4 fans permalink
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raoul, I asked Krugman the same question in his blog 10 days ago and he had no response. Maybe we should email Stiglitz who was on top of this issue 2 years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 01/12/2009
- beyobi I'm a Fan of beyobi 3 fans permalink
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And this is why Krugman was passed over for a cabinet position. His theories only work in the lab. Obama knows that the tax cuts for businesses aren't the best use of funds but without them in the plan the Republicans will block the legislation. Idealists talk about how things should be while realists work with the way things are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 01/12/2009
- johnsonc20 I'm a Fan of johnsonc20 32 fans permalink
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So they picked Larry Summers, who helped get us into this mess, instead? Bad logic. Right now Obama can get whatever he wants through Congress. Republicans know how to grab a mandate when they have one - and even when they don't. Advice like yours is why the public doesn't trust Democrats. They don't follow through. They want to be liked.

My hope is that Obama will realize what he has. On the positive side, he has set things up so that Krugman and co. can push the envelope and then Obama looks like the reasonable guy moving back to the center to compromise with the Rs. Don't dis the guys who push the agenda. They are the ones that get you further down the road.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 01/12/2009
- beyobi I'm a Fan of beyobi 3 fans permalink
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Krugman is proposing a stimulus package of 1.3 trillion with no concessions to the Republican side of the isle. How workable is that? The democrats do not have a super majority in the Senate and until that changes the Republicans will have to be factored into the equation. That's the way things are no matter how we wish they were.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 01/12/2009
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Boo hoo hoo. Krugman never wanted a cabinet position.

As a New York Times columnist, Ivy League professor and nobel prize winning columnist he has a national platform to tell the truth as he sees it no matter who is President.

He was also bravely speaking out against Bush, the War in Iraq and the unnecessary tax cuts for the wealthy when the Democrats in Congress where cowering in fear under their desks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 01/13/2009
- anonimost I'm a Fan of anonimost 6 fans permalink

i think krugman is wrong. do the business tax cuts. i know too many owners letting workers go who claim a tax cut would keep employees.

getting too much advice can muddle the issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 01/12/2009

Anonimost, so far tax cuts for businesses haven't help. This is a farce because there are already so many loop holes for businesses that they are not paying a lot of taxes any way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 01/12/2009
- SteveCox I'm a Fan of SteveCox 7 fans permalink
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I own a business. I won't hire anyone else. I don't have the work. Period. People are cutting back. We need more stimulus and less politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 01/12/2009
- hopein I'm a Fan of hopein 2 fans permalink

Encourage your congressmen to support improving our National Parks. This is an effort that all Americans would benifit from if it were done soon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 01/12/2009
- bayside I'm a Fan of bayside 38 fans permalink
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I like the way Robert thinks..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 01/12/2009
- rogerze I'm a Fan of rogerze 4 fans permalink

business is about the customer.T­he employees are second.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 01/12/2009

Depends how big the buisness is. I work for a large corporatio­n,,,ShareH­olders come first, customer comes second, employees come a distant third.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 01/12/2009
- TXfemmom I'm a Fan of TXfemmom 192 fans permalink

It is stupid to pay a company or business $3,000 to hire someone at minimum wage. McDonald's and others will soak it all up.

That $3,000 should go toward good jobs and if some company will bring back their manufacturing and equipment to the United States and pay a decent wage and furnish health insurance, then the $3,000, but not for fast food companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 01/12/2009
- NCYvonne I'm a Fan of NCYvonne 45 fans permalink
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Ummmm. I don't think McDonalds qualifies as a "small business."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 01/12/2009
- dcree77 I'm a Fan of dcree77 3 fans permalink

McDonald's franchies are considered "small business". These are business people who own one or more individual McDonald's restaurants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 01/12/2009
- loveobamas I'm a Fan of loveobamas 88 fans permalink
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Krugman and Reich seems jealous of Obama to me,either put up or shut up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 01/12/2009
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What are they supposed to "put up"? Neither of them are in a position to put any of these plans in place. I think you should adjust your attitude.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 01/12/2009
- loveobamas I'm a Fan of loveobamas 88 fans permalink
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The one who need to adjust they attitude is you,if you don't like my comments then don't reply to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 01/12/2009
- tlgeiger62 I'm a Fan of tlgeiger62 59 fans permalink
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Now this is helpful...­thank you gentlemen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 01/12/2009
- kladinvt I'm a Fan of kladinvt 5 fans permalink

Promoting the idea that all Americans become "localvores" should also be part of the formula for renewing our ailing economy. Instead of spending money at Walmart or some other convenient box store, try local businesses instead for the products you're looking for. The money stays in your community that way. It may take some research & extra effort on the shoppers' part to find the things they need, but that effort will pay off by helping to build up local economies all over the country.
Here in Vermont, it's part of the unspoken creed, to 'shop local first'. Granted everything can not be purchased locally, but you would be surprised at how much can be found through your local businesses. If Americans are serious about doing their part to mend our broken economy, then try being a localvore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 01/12/2009
- waitforme I'm a Fan of waitforme 20 fans permalink

GOOD idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 01/12/2009
- Samalabear I'm a Fan of Samalabear 64 fans permalink
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I loved being a localvore. It's getting harder and harder to do that -- the local small businesses are all going out of business. I am seeing more and more empty storefronts each day. From what I heard yesterday this small, fomerly thriving shopping center filled with small shops is dying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 01/13/2009

FDR stated "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself". What did bush state. Something to the effect of "be afraid". A small segment of the population bought it. A small segment of the population believed that Iraq was going to attack us. It doesn't matter what you believe. You have nothing to do with it. You believe that expensive voting machines count your vote. You believe the media. It is there to make you think that something is being done just like your federal government. That you have a choice. The only choice you have is in the scent of air freshener you use to cover up the stench of playing along with the BS. If you really want to make a difference, watch TV only to know what products not to buy, work in your local community, and get off your lazy asses and ride a bike. The government and the media are going to do what they want regardless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 01/12/2009
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