Top Recruiter Weighs Fat Camp For Army Recruits

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SUSANNE M. SCHAFER | January 12, 2009 09:08 AM EST | AP

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Pvt. Idalia Halley,19 left, of Columbia, S.C. stands with her "battle buddy" Pvt. Katrina Thompkins, 19 of Greenville, S.C. during rifle training at a shooting range Tuesday, Nov. 18, 2008, at Fort Jackson, S.C. Both women had issues with their weight but with five weeks of training behind them and doing daily push-ups, sit-ups and working on running a two-minute mile they are confident they are ready to pass basic training. (AP Photo/Mary Ann Chastain)

FORT JACKSON, S.C. — The Army has been dismissing so many overweight applicants that its top recruiter, trying to keep troop numbers up in wartime, is considering starting a fat farm to transform chubby trainees into svelte soldiers.

Maj. Gen. Thomas Bostick, head of the Army Recruiting Command, said he wants to see a formal diet and fitness regimen running alongside a new school at Fort Jackson that helps aspiring troops earn their GEDs.

Bostick told The Associated Press that obesity looms as "a bigger challenge for us in the years ahead" than any other problem that keeps young people from entering the military, including lack of a GED or high school diploma, misconduct or criminal behavior and other health issues such as eye or ear problems.

According to Defense Department figures provided to the AP, over the past four years 47,447 potential recruits flunked induction physicals at the nation's 35 Military Entrance Processing Stations because they were overweight.

That is a fraction of the 205,902 such exams given in 2005 and 250,764 in 2008, but still amounts to a hefty number and comes at a time when the military is more interested than ever in recruits. The Army and Marine Corps together paid more than $600 million over the past year in bonuses and other financial incentives to attract volunteers.

While the services have reported exceeding their recruiting goals in the past year, the Pentagon remains under pressure to find a constant flow of recruits. The Defense Department has announced plans to boost the active duty Army by 65,000 to a total of 547,000 soldiers by next year, and grow the Marines from 175,000 to 202,000 by 2011.

Obesity afflicts recruits for other physically demanding jobs, including firefighters. Deputy Chief Ed Nied, chair of the safety, health and survival section of the International Association of Fire Chiefs, said fire departments are also making a "major push" to encourage better fitness among young people who want to join.

"We draw from the same exact population that they (the military) draw from," Nied said from his Tucson, Ariz., headquarters. "This comes from a lack of physical education in the high schools."

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In an interview during a visit to the Army's largest training installation, Bostick said a slim-down camp could be part of the new Army Prep School at Fort Jackson, S.C. The school opened in August, and gives recruits who didn't graduate from high school the chance to earn a GED before starting their nine weeks of basic training.

"We are looking at the Army Prep School as a place where we might send some (recruits) that have weight issues," the two-star general said.

The prep school is housed in several one- and two-story buildings on a small part of this sprawling training installation. The classrooms and living quarters are Spartan. GED candidates wear Army uniforms, exercise before breakfast and study under the guidance of enlisted officers. They do not mix or conduct weapons training with soldiers participating in the nine weeks of basic training maneuvers elsewhere on the fort.

Bostick argues that many of the young people who want to join the Army have a hard time understanding a healthy diet and the importance of daily exercise, but could get within the military limits with guidance.

"It took them 18 years to get to where they are at, so it's very difficult for them to lose the kind of weight that they need to on their own," said Bostick, who did not provide any timing for when his idea might reach fruition, nor any projection of its potential cost.

Lawrence J. Korb, a former Pentagon chief of personnel during the Reagan administration, said the Army has to fight even harder than the other service branches to get the recruits they need.

"The Army has a tough time recruiting as compared to the other services," said Korb, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank in Washington. He said the burden for fighting an unpopular war in Iraq has fallen primarily on the military's largest service.

"They are doing this because they are desperate," Korb said.

Recruiters echo Bostick's worries about weight issues among potential candidates for the military.

"I'd say that out of every 10 applicants that come in, probably three we couldn't take _ they are obese," said Sgt. Darryl Bogan, a recruiter in Columbia. An additional 20 percent to 30 percent of recruits are slightly overweight, but some can get the weight off, Bogan said.

"We are getting heavier as a nation as far as our young people are concerned," Bogan said.

Besides basic weight and height guidelines, Bogan said the Army uses body fat percentages and an aerobics test to determine whether recruits can withstand the rigors of basic training. Recruits must step up and down on a riser at a certain rate per minute, then perform some push-ups and sit-ups and have their heart rates measured.

One of Bogan's recruits, 18-year-old Idalia Halley, was shocked when she found she was a few pounds too heavy to enter boot camp.

"My mom was like, 'You better come run with me,'" Halley recalled, saying it took several weeks of healthy eating and runs with her Army-veteran mom to finally get into the service.

On her second try, Halley said she weighed in at 162 pounds and logged a 30 percent rate of body fat to meet the Army's standard.

Toting her M-16 during weapons exercises in basic training, Halley said she'd slimmed down even more in the first weeks of training.

"I know I've lost some weight because I have to pull my pants up tighter," the Army private said. "And besides, I don't think the food's all that great _ except breakfast."

FORT JACKSON, S.C. — The Army has been dismissing so many overweight applicants that its top recruiter, trying to keep troop numbers up in wartime, is considering starting a fat farm to transfor...
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This is not just a problem with the military, but with similar positions such as fire and police departments, and many other careers. I say whatever gets someone in better shape and healthier - good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 01/12/2009
- odan I'm a Fan of odan 4 fans permalink

It's a jelly doughnut sir.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 01/12/2009
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Texas!?!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 01/12/2009

I will tell you this back in WWII am sure they didn't say . I will take you and not the heavy person or the gay person, or the black person or the Japanese-American person. When they had the draft they took everyone. My father was a 22 yr veteran and he was alittle over and it never interferred with his job. During VN war there were alot of druggies in the military and they gave them a chance to clean up or they would be booted out. We this government institutes a draft than if I a heavy person or a gay person I would tell the government to suck it. If am not good enough now than don't even try to draft me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 01/12/2009
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Full Metal Jacket. . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 01/12/2009
- Fein I'm a Fan of Fein 19 fans permalink

Pound for pound, the best military in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 01/12/2009
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Uncle Sam Wants You (to lose 50 pounds....)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 01/12/2009
- hulagirrrl I'm a Fan of hulagirrrl 43 fans permalink
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This is very bad, not only will the Army accept people who did not at least have a High School Diploma, they also open a fat camp to get them in shape. I do realize that there are still some jobs left in the military that do not require a lot of education, but come on, allowing people to come in without at least a HS Diploma will come back to haunt you.
The US Army already is already stretching to provide proper medical services to troops and their families, how will that work out when they have all of these overweight people coming in?
Look at your senior enlisted people now, and see how many are overweight, because they can not be "touched" before retirement, and you want to add to that by bringing in fat junior enlisted? Well, might as well, seems like the war against the fat is lost in this country. Recruiters should tell them to go home and shape up, the ones who are determined to join will do just that, and those should be the people you would want to enlist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 01/12/2009

Hey hulagirrrrl, You are really dumb. There was a time during WWI and WWII they had the draft and that meant every male at a certain age was drafted. The funny thing if they bring the draft back they will get a cross section of educated people. But don't put people down because they want to enter the military. Just because a person might be heavy doesn't mean they are dumb. You are sterotyping people. I know what am saying I come from a military family plus I worked for the military at the start of VN conflict. My dad retired from the military. That is when they started to get on to people about weight. They gave soldiers a chance. These guys were good soldiers. Bring the draft back and some of you posting on this blog will shut up. I am willing to bet there wouldn't be to many takers. Now that the economy is really tanking you are going to see alot of people going into the military.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 01/12/2009
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I hate to do the "back in my day" thing, but in the 60's and 70's PE was mandatory and a daily event. It came from President Kennedy's call to for the nation to be fit. One of the things our new president can do is make PE an integral part of the federal education requirements and include funding. I was never a gifted athlete, but my physical education always has been something that I have taken with me my entire life, so I have always stayed active and at 55 I'm in pretty good shape.
Our lard assed lifestyle is a sad part of our overall slide into a second rate country. We have a lack of discipline in everything from eating and exercising to spending habits and choosing ignorance over knowledge. I hope the new president we have chosen is an indication that we are ready to make the personal changes we need to excel again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 01/12/2009
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I couldn't agree with you more. I saw an 8 year old girl at a store the other night with a belly that (proportionately) was bigger than a middle-aged beer-drinking man. And I'm willing to bet she weighed more than me (and I'm 5'9"). It's sad to think that she'll probably have to struggle with her size/weight for the rest of her life.

I'm 46 and I also remember the President's physical fitness program--it was a big deal--and if you passed all the tests you got a patch you could sew onto your school sweater (which I did). It was a fun program. PE was also an integral part of all the schools I attended, and as they were small schools we had co-ed PE classes. It didn't matter--it was fun and we got a lot of good exercise.

At home we were always outside playing--my mother had to literally drag us indoors for dinner every night. The best part of both of these disciplines is that I am in pretty good shape, too. These habits last a lifetime--and this discipline is not just about exercise, as you say, but about everything we do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 01/12/2009
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I was a minor in the 1970s and 80s. I remember that a good portion of PE and President's physical fitness program was the less athletic kids standing around watching the more athletic girls and boys do stuff.

True, part of class, everyone had to do stuff. But a lot of activities involved less skilled people getting eliminated and having to watch the more coordinated, athletic and in shape people play. Or we avoided getting ourselves in physical situations where our lack of athleticism would set us up for ridicule.

The pre No Child Left Behind recess and physical education days weren't all perfect and glorious. But I have to admit, it was better than nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 01/13/2009
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A war on fat?

I don't want my government starting another war they can not win and they can not afford.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 01/12/2009
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Are we going to have a Fat Czar next?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 01/12/2009

I hated gym. I wasn't good at anything. Other kids would make fun of you and always being picked last. On the days I had to go to gym in middle school we had the a gym teacher ride her bick out to the field and tell us to ran and get there before she did. For a kid that isn't good at outdoor activities it was extremely hard. It worked on me until I graduated from high school. In high school we had to wear uniforms which I hated and when we had 15 mins left in class we have to hurry and run back to take a shower before going to class. I was so ashamed to be undress in front of the other girls. I would wait when most of them were out and then run it and out. I hated gym and it effected me always even after I left school. I was happy that my child didn't have to take gym if he didn't want to. He played sports in the summer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 01/13/2009
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"This comes from a lack of physical education in the high schools."

gee.. I wonder how that happened!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 01/12/2009
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...as if we didn't know (heh, heh)...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/08/20/PE.NCLB/index.html [Aug. 2006]

The 2006 Shape of the Nation -- jointly conducted by the American Heart Association and the National Associationfor Sport and Physical Education, a nonprofit organization dedicated to promoting high quality physical education -- concluded that most states are failing to provide students with adequate physical education requirements.

"The focus right now is on testing," he said, referring to a series of academic tests now mandated by federal law. "The result is that there's less time to get kids more active."

Critics contend that the very legislation meant to bolster national academic standards -- the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 -- may be a culprit in the diminishing P.E. curriculum, unintentionally sapping schools of time and resources for exercise as educators focus more and more on test scores and rigorous academic coursework.

High school students seem to fare the worst. The study found that more than a third of young people in grades 9 to 12 do not regularly engage in vigorous physical activity: Sixty-nine percent of ninth-graders participate in vigorous physical activity on a regular basis, while only 55 percent of 12th-graders take part in the same level of activity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 01/12/2009

Nothing new here! When I joined the Army In 1973 I was put in what was called an STP, or a "Special Training Platoon", a platoon for fat boys. They worked me so hard I lost weight faster than I could have ever imagined. The diet was probably no more than 1000 calories. I only remember breakfast being one hard boiled egg, one slice of toast, and a small glass of skim milk. After several weeks of STP and eight weeks of Basic Training I had lost close to forty pounds, going from 220 to about 182.
And I never felt better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 01/12/2009
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It can't be as bad when I was in the service in the 60s and 70s. Back then it was the norm for lifers to have their gut overhanging their belt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 01/12/2009

Kinda obvious the author(s) of the article have little or no knowledge of running, nor bother to proof-read. No one will ever run a 2-minute mile unless they're mostly bionic or super-drugged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 01/12/2009
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And yet the Army requires a soldier to demonstrate their physical fitness every three months by doing exactly that. And without drugs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 01/12/2009
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so all of the grunts have world records?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 01/12/2009

HA! I didn't catch that, but funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 01/12/2009

I caught the '2 minute mile' thing and thought to myself, "Wow, the program really works!". Along with having a lack of editors, the AP has a lack of military knowledge. At one point the article says the recruits "study under the guidance of enlisted officers". I know of 'prior-enlisted officers', 'commisioned officers', non-commissioned officers', 'senior non-commisioned officers and 'warrant officers', but never enlisted officers. Except of course on an episode of M*A*S*H where Hawkeye wanted to sneak Radar into an Officers Club so he stuck Captains bars on Radars hat and said it was a new test rank, the Corporal Captain, like Sergeant Major. I wonder what other errors are in the story?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 01/12/2009
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Not surprising, when one considers that so many potential recruits come from low income families. They can't afford a low carb diet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 01/12/2009
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The overweight are wealthy too. How did you make that leap of . . . obese = poor?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 01/12/2009
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Obesity is linked to poverty. Grocery stores in poorer neighborhoods have less healthy food.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 01/12/2009
- LordMoon I'm a Fan of LordMoon 14 fans permalink

This is really a sad, very sad thing for all of us.

That so many men and women in our country have this problem to overcome.

My only hope is that this article will cause some reflective thoughts in people as they walk through the isles of the market.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 01/12/2009

During draft times for Vietnam, they ran fat farms I think. At least a marine friend told me so. run, run, steak, lettuce, run, run , run. Every day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 01/12/2009
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No they put you in a Special Training Company. STC Troops carried sand bags everywhere they went until they lost enough weight to perform with the rest of the Basic Trainees.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 01/12/2009

well, there you go. thanks for clarification.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 01/15/2009
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