Israeli Cabinet Divided Over Fresh Gaza Surge

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The Independent   |  Kim Sengupta and Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem   |   January 13, 2009 09:06 AM

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Israeli reservists were sent into action for the first time in the current Gaza conflict as the fighting continued yesterday and Palestinian deaths reportedly rose to 900.

Israeli forces were, however, holding off from a surge into the heart of Gaza City, the so-called Phase 3 in the military operations, and there were fewer air strikes, 25, compared with previous days, when they had averaged 60 to 70.

Meanwhile there were reports of a split within the Israeli cabinet with claims that Tzipi Livni, the Foreign Minister, and Ehud Barak, the Defence Minister, were pressing for an early end to the offensive while Ehud Olmert, Prime Minister, wanted it to continue.

Mr Olmert, who resigned as head of the Kadima party in September following corruption allegations, is said to be planning to present his case to a cabinet forum where he enjoys support.

Ms Livni, the Kadima candidate in the elections on 10 February, has indicated publicly that she is strongly opposed to any peace agreement involving Hamas. She is said to favour, instead, a unilateral halt to the offensive, in effect challenging Hamas to halt the rocket fire or face a renewed onslaught on Gaza.

Mr Barak, the Labour Party's candidate in the election, on the other hand, is said to prefer a ceasefire indirectly agreed with Hamas through mediation by Egyptians and is said to have been privately critical that not enough was being done at peace talks in Cairo.

Ben Caspit, one of Israel's leading newspaper commentators, reported "some sources" as claiming that Mr Olmert was seeking to prolong the war in order to postpone the elections. However, his office has denied any such claims. Caspit also suggested that a full victory over Hamas and possibly the rescue of Gilad Shalit, the Israeli soldier who was abducted in June 2006 by Hamas, might give Mr Olmert a "real historical achievement". But elections have only very exceptionally been postponed in Israeli. While there was a delay during the Yom Kippur War in 1973, there was none in the 2001 election, which took place as the intifada was nearing its peak.

Ms Livni declared yesterday that the military offensive had "restored Israel's deterrence ... Hamas now understands that when you fire on its citizens it responds by going wild - and this is a good thing."

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However, she was forced to defend herself against charges that she had failed in her duty as Foreign Minister by not stopping the UN resolution demanding a ceasefire. "Anyone who has any understanding of what happens on the diplomatic field during any military operations knows that at some stage an agreement is reached similar to that one which was reached at the Security Council," she said.

Mark Regev, Mr Olmert's spokesman, claimed that Hamas's military machine was taking "serious punishment" and Israel was "advancing towards the endgame", although he refused to say when that would be.

In a sign of further tension within the Israeli establishment, Channel One television reported that a remark by General Yoav Galant, the head of the army's southern command, had been selectively leaked by political sources to imply that he was unequivocally in favour of lengthening and escalating the offensive. But his remark, that the military had a "once in a lifetime" opportunity to strike at Hamas, was accompanied by a warning that such an escalation could mean a year-long occupation of Gaza. The Israeli military declined to comment.

Meanwhile, after meeting Hosni Mubarak, the Egyptian President, the Middle East Quartet's envoy Tony Blair said elements were in place for a ceasefire agreement, but he added: "It's going to have to be worked on very hard and it's got to be credible."

Israeli officials stated that a security zone was being carved out around Gaza to prevent rockets being fired into Israel and they said the number of such attacks had been drastically reduced by the military action. Critics, however, point out that the number of rockets which came into Israel, around 12, may be fewer than in the past few days, but it had been about the same number before the Israeli offensive.

Israeli commanders also did not rule out sending troops into Gaza City. Major Avital Leibovich, the military spokeswoman, said troops were advancing into urban areas. "Since the majority of the Hamas militants are pretty much in hiding in ... urban places, we operate in those areas," she said.

'We are going wild,' says Foreign Minister

The massive destruction in Gaza is no accident, writes Ben Lynfield.

Israel's Foreign Minister, Tzipi Livni, said yesterday that Israel was deliberately "going wild" in its use of military force in order to restore its deterrence capability. "We have proven to Hamas that we have changed the equation. Israel is not a country upon which you fire missiles and it does not respond. It is a country that when you fire on its citizens it responds by going wild - and this is a good thing."

But some Israeli academic specialists on Hamas are questioning the assumption that the campaign against Hamas will actually bring quiet to southern Israel. Shaul Mishal, a Tel Aviv University political scientist, voiced fears that Israel is actually creating an even more radical environment in Gaza. "One result we might see is that the Hamas leadership is so shaken, other radical elements could get into their shoes and renew terrorist activities."

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Israeli reservists were sent into action for the first time in the current Gaza conflict as the fighting continued yesterday and Palestinian deaths reportedly rose to 900. Israeli forces were, howeve...
Israeli reservists were sent into action for the first time in the current Gaza conflict as the fighting continued yesterday and Palestinian deaths reportedly rose to 900. Israeli forces were, howeve...
 
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- Mollabaji I'm a Fan of Mollabaji 16 fans permalink

You see, this report includes only ONE PARAGRAPH on "israeli forces entering Gaza. the rest of it deals with internal political rivalries of Israel.
Most importantly, it does not indicate that the forces it mentions are tanks and armored cars who shoot from far, not Soldiers. These cowards will not dare send in their foot soldiers into Gaza because they know what will happen to them ( like in Lebanon). Before that, they will sign a cease fire to avoid REAL fighting. Just wait and see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 01/16/2009
- PatCroft I'm a Fan of PatCroft 14 fans permalink
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This whole entire nightmare scenario is another part of the Bush legacy where and when they were defending the unilateral response in going to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. This is when the bushes invented "the right to defend" over almost just about anything with everything.

These little toy rockets that Hamas is firing at Israel look like the kind of thing we used to play with when I was a kid.

If we continue this kind of thought what happens when India decides that they need to do something as outrageous against Pakistan for the 8 terrorist who attacked Bombay.

The stuff that is happening in Gaza are inhuman.

And what is with all the collateral damage justifications. Gezus the price that is exacted. As of this evening one third of the Palistinians that have been killed are children. Over 1,000 victims and counting.

But of course all the war hardware is made in the U.S.A.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 01/15/2009
- FairTalk I'm a Fan of FairTalk 18 fans permalink
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Israel may have gone wild, but it is one of those phyric victories. All over the world people have indelible images of Israel's savage brutality sared into their hearts and minds. If somehow Israel believes this to be a deterrant, Israel is sadly mistaken.

Israel has lost forever their vaunted status as the ultimate victim. Choosing to retaliate against the Palestinian people because they elected hamas, and rejected the Quisling fatah, israel comes away from this awash in the blood ow women and children.

The world has changed, and with the Obama presidency, change will come to the world, it is Israel, not Hamas, that is the odd man out.

Livni's statements show that indeed, Israel is a wild man, uncivilized, brutal, and untrustworthy. It is not Hamas that has learned a lesson, it is israel that fails to realize how the rest of the world sees this.

Israe has lost much by loosing it's cool, only a few weeks before Obama broings lasting hope of peace to the whole world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 01/13/2009
- NetProphet I'm a Fan of NetProphet 2 fans permalink
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This is really bad for Israel. This time, I'm afraid, you won't be coming out smelling like a rose......more like something else!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 01/13/2009
- corkonian I'm a Fan of corkonian 2 fans permalink

It's interesting that the only one that seems to want to (finally) pursue peace by talking with Hamas and making more of an effort at the Egypt talks is the military man, Barak. Reminds me of the eagerness of the military-avoiding neocons Cheney, Bush & Rumsfeld to push for war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 01/13/2009
- vinny I'm a Fan of vinny 72 fans permalink
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Israel is lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 01/13/2009

Rather than waging a controversial war on civilians, is there any way for Israeli government to destroy these homemade rockets. During the first Iraq war in 91, Israel had Patriot missile technology that could destroy Scud missile or any other kind of missile fired from Iraq. I also heard that when a rocket is fired from Gaza, usually people have 10 seconds to go into a bunker after they hear a siren. Isn't 10 second are enough to destroy these home made rockets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 01/13/2009
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 12 fans permalink

Olmert = Israel's Bush

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 01/13/2009

In song: "LULLABY FOR A CHILD IN WAR"

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=6086636

(free download)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 01/13/2009
- blood1 I'm a Fan of blood1 12 fans permalink

One can only hope that a cease fire and negotiations will happen soon. Israel should take note that the end of large scale violence in Iraq occurred when the citizenry stood up and took action. They (Israel) would be wise to see if that occurs in Gaza and then real negotiations about lasting peace can begin...and only then can the 2 state solution be discussed - although that reality may not exist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 01/13/2009
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1562 fans permalink
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What disagreement/split?
All they are talking about is how much killing of civilians is enough killing.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 01/13/2009
- Taxi I'm a Fan of Taxi 34 fans permalink

All decent citizens of the world demand a stop any killing of any civilians EVERYWHERE.

Collateral damage is no longer an accepted principle.

The negotiating table is the only battlefield fit for the perilous 211st century.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 01/13/2009

Please consider a related situation: An armed bank robber kills several tellers and takes a customer hostage. Hiding behind his human shield, the robber continues to kill civilians. A police officer, trying to prevent further killings, shoots at the robber but accidentally kills the hostage. Who is guilty of murder? Not the police officer who fired the fatal shot but the bank robber who fired from behind the human shield.

I too disagree with the killing of civilians. I place the blame where it lies....Hamas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 01/13/2009
- Taxi I'm a Fan of Taxi 34 fans permalink

What if that hostage was you?

You see the point is not who is right or who is wrong but that you, as a hostage/citizen should not be shot by a policeman paid for by the tax paying citizen, ie YOURSELF. It would be like you paid the policeman to shoot YOU in order to get the robber.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 01/13/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 66 fans permalink

This invasion is to help boost Barak's chances to be elected.

Another War President. We know how those work out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 01/13/2009
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A call from within - a letter signed by Israeli citizens

In support of the Palestinian Human Rights Community Call for International Action:

http://www.freegaza.org/en/home/658-a-call-from-within-signed-by-israeli-citizens

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 01/13/2009
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