Gay Bishop Gene Robinson Left Out Of HBO Concert Coverage

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First Posted: 01-19-09 11:48 AM   |   Updated: 02-19-09 05:12 AM

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Sunday's big Lincoln Memorial show was billed as the "We Are One" concert, intended to celebrate the inauguration of Barack Obama with a spirit of unity. But for those of us watching at home, one participant was excluded -- Gene Robinson, the "first openly gay, non-celibate priest to be ordained a bishop in a major Christian denomination." Robinson was on hand to deliver an opening prayer to the event, but this prayer went unseen by anyone watching on HBO, who provided and sponsored the coverage.

Reached for comment, a spokesperson for HBO stated that decisions regarding the timing and presentation of Robinson's remarks were made by the Presidential Inaugural Committee, and that Robinson was "not a part of our show from the start." Indeed, Robinson appeared minutes before the 2:30pm start time of the concert coverage. HBO's response to the matter has been uniform. A spokeperson offered AfterElton.com much the same response: "The producer of the concert has said that the Presidential Inaugural Committee made the decision to keep the invocation as part of the pre-show."

HBO comes to this controversy without any sort of significant reputation for being a network or a workplace hostile to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people. In fact, the network is responsible for airing the drama Six Feet Under, which depicted gays in complex relationships unflinchingly. The Obama camp, on the other hand, has courted controversy already with the decision to include in the inauguration Saddleback Church Pastor Rick Warren, a supporter of Proposition 8 in California. The appearance of a snub in the case of Bishop Robinson has successfully raised the temperature among Democratic activists and in the liberal blogosphere, where outrage is being pointed mostly at the incoming administration and the Presidential Inaugural Committee.

Calls for comment from the PIC have not been returned. Bishop Robinson is slated to be a guest on National Public Radio's "Talk of the Nation" today at 2pm.

UPDATE:
The PIC has responded to an inquiry from John Aravosis at AmericaBlog:

"We had always intended and planned for Rt. Rev. Robinson's invocation to be included in the televised portion of yesterday's program. We regret the error in executing this plan - but are gratified that hundreds of thousands of people who gathered on the mall heard his eloquent prayer for our nation that was a fitting start to our event." -- PIC communications director Josh Earnest


Watch the prayer here:

[TEXT OF PRAYER]


Welcome to Washington! The fun is about to begin, but first, please join me in pausing for a moment, to ask God's blessing upon our nation and our next president.

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"O God of our many understandings, we pray that you will bless us with tears - tears for a world in which over a billion people exist on less than a dollar a day, where young women in many lands are beaten and raped for wanting an education, and thousands die daily from malnutrition, malaria, and AIDS.

Bless this nation with anger - anger at discrimination, at home and abroad, against refugees and immigrants, women, people of color, gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people.

Bless us with discomfort at the easy, simplistic answers we've preferred to hear from our politicians, instead of the truth about ourselves and our world, which we need to face if we are going to rise to the challenges of the future.

Bless us with patience and the knowledge that none of what ails us will be fixed anytime soon, and the understanding that our new president is a human being, not a messiah.

Bless us with humility, open to understanding that our own needs as a nation must always be balanced with those of the world.

Bless us with freedom from mere tolerance, replacing it with a genuine respect and warm embrace of our differences.

Bless us with compassion and generosity, remembering that every religion's God judges us by the way we care for the most vulnerable.

And God, we give you thanks for your child, Barack, as he assumes the office of President of the United States.

Give him wisdom beyond his years, inspire him with President Lincoln's reconciling leadership style, President Kennedy's ability to enlist our best efforts, and Dr. King's dream of a nation for all people.
Give him a quiet heart, for our ship of state needs a steady, calm captain.

Give him stirring words; We will need to be inspired and motivated to make the personal and common sacrifices necessary to facing the challenges ahead.

Make him color-blind, reminding him of his own words that under his leadership, there will be neither red nor blue states, but the United States.

Help him remember his own oppression as a minority, drawing on that experience of discrimination, that he might seek to change the lives of those who are still its victims.

Give him strength to find family time and privacy, and help him remember that even though he is president, a father only gets one shot at his daughters' childhoods.

And please, God, keep him safe. We know we ask too much of our presidents, and we're asking far too much of this one. We implore you, O good and great God, to keep him safe. Hold him in the palm of your hand, that he might do the work we have called him to do, that he might find joy in this impossible calling, and that in the end, he might lead us as a nation to a place of integrity, prosperity, and peace. Amen."

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- RedSeven I'm a Fan of RedSeven 6 fans permalink
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Given the platform that Rick Warren enjoyed on Tuesday, it's upsetting that Gene Robinson was not only scuttled to the Sunday program, but then not televised.

However, taking a larger view, I'm disturbed that we need this many PRAYERS to inaugurate a President. This is a civil and political transition of power, and -- according to the Constitution -- the office of President is one with ABSOLUTELY ZERO religious authority.

But if we must pray so much, I'd rather the prayers would more closely resemble Bishop Robinson's model of inclusivity peppered with words of wisdom, as opposed to Warren's Bible-laden speech for Christians only.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 01/21/2009
- flyjet787 I'm a Fan of flyjet787 2 fans permalink
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I agree, RedSeven. Not only should there be no religious figures, but references to gods in speeches (like President Obama's Innaugural Address ) are completely inappropriate. I also agree, if there are to be prayers, Bishop Robinson deserved "equal time" with Warren.

I was thrilled, however, when President Obama made reference to "non-believers" in the Innaugural Address. I think this speaks volumes about his honest intention to be inclusive even where doing so may be politically risky.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 01/21/2009
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RedSeven, consider that having the prayers included in the Inauguration Ceremony serves a significant purpose. We know well the reasons for the separation of Church and State but, the tradition assures religions of all faiths that they will not be abandoned by Government in representation.

This Country was founded by religious men who hoped that one day the world would be populated by people who would be better servants of God and Humanity than they had been in their time.

In this Inauguration ceremony the world watched and learned to measure the ambitions of the false prophets like Chris Warren against the vision of a good Christian like Dr. Joseph Lowery. Dr. Lowery brought the light of faith with him and rained shame down upon Washington and their so-called Christian elite.

The talking heads and the members of Congress were horrified. I don’t expect to see that prayer ever run again on any of the Networks. Bishop Robinson wasn’t blocked because he's gay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 01/21/2009
- tr24 I'm a Fan of tr24 6 fans permalink

Why are President's sworn in on the Bible as opposed to other religious reference books? Or why don't we have an all inclusive hodge-podge of different reference books so no one feels slighted? Here in lies the reason for the Christian prayer. Internalize it, accept it, and move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 01/21/2009
- pmag88 I'm a Fan of pmag88 12 fans permalink

As prayers go, this was a great one. Too bad a lot of people missed it on the initial broadcasts. Perhaps when they air the programs again they can included it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 01/21/2009

Not only was Bishop Robinson omitted, but my elation at hearing Garth Brooks since his anthemic "We Shall Be Free," was quickly deflated when the verse where he sings:

"When we're free to love anyone we choose,
when this world's big enough for all different views
When we all can worship from our own kind of pew,
We shall be free"

I can't imagine this was accidental. It seems to me as though gays were deliberately excluded from the festivities since it's an uncomfortable issue for Obama. After all, gays worked hard to elect him, but he and Biden have stated that they're opposed to gay marriage. It seems a tinge hypocritical to celebrate that blacks have finally achieved some modicum of equality (though I believe even on that front we still have a ways to go) -- while shoving gays back into the closet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 01/21/2009
- iwantpie I'm a Fan of iwantpie 7 fans permalink

Rick Warren prayer was so beautiful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 01/21/2009
- tr24 I'm a Fan of tr24 6 fans permalink

co-signing, Pie! It was a great day for America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 01/21/2009

Rick Warren gets mixed reviews:

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-inaug-warren21-2009jan21,0,5184168.story?track=rss

Some quotes:

"I don't think he acquitted himself very well," said Randall Balmer, a professor of American religious history at Columbia University who considers Warren a friend. "To lead the nation in saying the Lord's Prayer, which is so particularly Christian, was a mistake."

But the Rev. Eric P. Lee, president of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference of Greater Los Angeles, said Warren still needs to reach out to the gay and lesbian communities. Lee said he asked Warren to debate Proposition 8 before the inauguration but hadn't heard back from the pastor.

"Because he made such strong public statements about [Proposition 8], I think he has an obligation to at least engage in a dialogue with someone who is clergy who thinks differently than he does about the issue of marriage equality," Lee said.

"I think that's where a genuine [commitment] will be demonstrated."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 01/21/2009

Sorry about the link, for some reason it didn't completely take. To get to the LA Times article, just copy and paste.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 01/21/2009
- AN2009 I'm a Fan of AN2009 4 fans permalink

Politicians who send mixed messages will only get hurt in the long run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 01/21/2009
- GayMark I'm a Fan of GayMark 46 fans permalink
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And the people he sends them about? Same thing. He's a COMPLETE disaapoinment on this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 01/21/2009
- markinaz I'm a Fan of markinaz 3 fans permalink

Well duh, HBO is not Showtime by any stretch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 01/20/2009
- Madison007 I'm a Fan of Madison007 4 fans permalink

to twohearts: You are a lesbian - bi-sexual? what is that? you swing both ways? Do not blame any of your depressed state of mind on any political figure or anyone for that matter. Changes do take time and homosexuality will never be accepted in some religious groups, etc We have so many other issues right now in America that take precedence over a "gay bishop" giving a speech and it isn't covered on HBO??? just like the moaning and groaning over Obama chosing Warren to speak at his inauguration. The gay community is really starting to piss me off!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 01/20/2009
- JohnJames I'm a Fan of JohnJames 100 fans permalink

I suspect we've always pissed you off, hence your need to comment here. I think we'll survive without all your wonderful previous support. But thanks for sharing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 01/20/2009
- GayMark I'm a Fan of GayMark 46 fans permalink
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We're pissing you off? GOOD.

I don't want to be accepted by any religion. I want to be considered equal by the government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 01/20/2009
- iwantpie I'm a Fan of iwantpie 7 fans permalink

cosigning

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 01/21/2009
- tr24 I'm a Fan of tr24 6 fans permalink

A lesbian and gay band made their first appearance ever at inaugural parade, but I guess this point will still be lost among the endless complaints of the gay community.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 01/20/2009

Did you see the marching gay and lesbian band broadcast on TV? I didn't.

I watched the entire network broadcast coverage of the Inaguration activities, from the begining until the coverage ended for local and national network evening news broadcasts.

Bishop Robinson's message was not broadcast to the American people as part of the Inauguration on Sunday. The gay and lesbian band music was not broadcast to the American people as part of the Inaugration today. Sadly, this historic public participation by gay and lesbian citizens in the Inauguration were made invisible.

The gay communtiy is right to complain about this. Endlessly I hope until things change.

Today was a historic day. I was deeply moved. But the gay community was left out. We must work for change that gay and lesbian Americans too can believe in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 01/20/2009

It was mentioned on CNN and they were visible in the background if you were looking...but still...mostly in the inaugural closet. And...at the Lincoln Concert there was the gay choir...But wasn't Rick Warren inspiring?! How did our political processes become such a Christian-fest? And why do we need gay bands and choirs? Why can't we just have gay people that are respected and included just like every other person (and don't feel a need to self identify as gay...just the way O doesn't feel a need to self identify as black)..Just wonderin...

Still a good day in US history!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 01/20/2009
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I saw them on CNN.com right after ABC went to World News.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 01/21/2009
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H0m0*phobi­c*0bamaBOT­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 01/21/2009
- iwantpie I'm a Fan of iwantpie 7 fans permalink

Agreed. They had more hip movement that the women in the other bands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 01/21/2009
- pmag88 I'm a Fan of pmag88 12 fans permalink

You probably wouldn't know what to do with 'pie' if it landed on your face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 01/21/2009
- ChefLito I'm a Fan of ChefLito 9 fans permalink
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Evidently you work with the Obama's Inaugural theme - homophobic and arrogant. I feel sorry now working so hard for the Obama campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 01/21/2009

To Porthaul -

Don't depend on the PUMA "let's raise money" for HRC. Hillary does not believe in gay marriage either..
It seems like folks are ready to "turn tail" instead of making the President work for you..
You need to find a leader (s) with real conviction to carry the message forward in some way shape or form. Change for GLBT community will have to be an act of the Government. Much like the Civil Rights legislation. A bill put to the people will never pass - aka Prop 8.. Think about ..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 01/20/2009
- SD Indy I'm a Fan of SD Indy 23 fans permalink

FYI: HRC = Human Rights Campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 01/20/2009

As a politician you may believe it openly if you are either not important enough or if you have already secured the votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 01/20/2009
- JohnJames I'm a Fan of JohnJames 100 fans permalink

HRC - The Human Rights Campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 01/20/2009
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Kid was born in a barn.
Mom was a virgin.
Dad was invisible.
Kid grew up to be a dirtyhippie.
He did magic tricks.
Fooled the rubes.
The @uthorities had him ki//ed.
Three days later, he flew away.
He's coming back.
Everybody gets "left behind" if gays can marry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 01/20/2009

Yet you probably belive in the mystical "karma"...what a maroon...lol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 01/20/2009

what goes around comes around...that's karma...I learned that when I was growing up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 01/20/2009
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Sorry, maroon. I don't believe in your invisible friend and I don't believe in anybody else's, either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 01/20/2009
- tr24 I'm a Fan of tr24 6 fans permalink

Not very "tolerant" of you John.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 01/20/2009
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Is that against the rules?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 01/20/2009

You being a major expert on how to demonstrate intolerance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 01/21/2009

Wow...even the libs are tired of hearing the h@m@s complain. Time to close the closet door?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 01/20/2009
- bbbtmenw I'm a Fan of bbbtmenw 11 fans permalink

PART 1
HISTORY 101

There was a comment about gays should give up and wait hundreds of years to get their civil rights because they haven't struggled like the "Black Man" and were not slaves.....

Ours has been a longer struggle....and we suffer as much or MORE today.

(I made a comment that was nice and deleted by Huffington because I gave a definition in my explanation, I will rephrase.)

Gays have been struggling throughout history.

-Christian Doctrine/practice wanted to be different from the Romans so one of the first taboos introduced was to oppose gay relationships unlike the Romans who accepted them.

-The word for "A pile of sticks" is what bigots scream at gays. The word came from the sticks piled to burn us at the stake.

-Gays were in concentration camps in Germany and sent to the harshest labor camps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 01/20/2009
- Mattylock I'm a Fan of Mattylock 9 fans permalink

"There was a comment about gays should give up and wait hundreds of years to get their civil rights because they haven't struggled like the "Black Man" and were not slaves....."

I seriously doubt there is a comment that says that. Most likely you're exaggerating something far less dramatic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 01/20/2009

There was something like that, at least in one of the gay topics the last days on HuffPo. IO remember it, as I thought that somebody steals Huckabee's ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 01/20/2009

For conservative Romans it was just a great opportunity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 01/20/2009
- truthfulb I'm a Fan of truthfulb 2 fans permalink
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I hate when the gay movement is compared to the black struggle for equality in America. I do not like that gays committed couples are not given the same rights as their married counterparts but as a individuals you have the same rights as everyone else. Where as me being a black man who had parents who could not do the things that I can today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 01/21/2009

Why does the comparison offend you? I am hearing this constantly and it is getting to be really, really tired. Many gay people stayed in the closet to protect them from homophobia. (And the wounds that they suffered are internal).The courageous ones that were out were jailed, beaten, etc. this happened for centuries.

This particularly upsets me as a gay black man simply because of the fact that I have to settle for 3rd class citizenship in the black community because of homophobia.

Try reading the history of gay people, get informed as to the precise suffering that was and still is encountered then come back and talk to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 01/21/2009
- bbbtmenw I'm a Fan of bbbtmenw 11 fans permalink

PART 2
HISTORY 101

-Gays are the only minority group hated by all other groups including THEIR OWN FAMILY MEMBERS (A Black man has his mom, dad, brothers or sisters to share their minority group).

-Gays are raised in straight homes and learn to hate themselves, to hide their feelings, lie about who they are to fit in, or learn that they are wrong somehow and it leads to 6 times the number of teen suicides than any other group.

-Gays get thrown out of their homes for being different.

-Gays can’t serve openly in the military (even though there is a LARGE percent that are, just closeted). More gays have been thrown out under “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” than before.

-Gays have helped EVERY other minority group receive civil rights through being mostly liberal, closeted activists, and liberal voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 01/20/2009

Yep.

Now imagine being black and gay?

Gay black men were turned away from their families and the church in the 80's and it was the gay community that helped those gay men live the rest of their live with dignity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 01/20/2009
- tr24 I'm a Fan of tr24 6 fans permalink

You should have made a better decision.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 01/20/2009
- bbbtmenw I'm a Fan of bbbtmenw 11 fans permalink

I understand... and I know that you understand it is time for a BIG change and it better come our way as well...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 01/20/2009
- bbbtmenw I'm a Fan of bbbtmenw 11 fans permalink

I hear you...feel it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 01/20/2009
- Mattylock I'm a Fan of Mattylock 9 fans permalink

The broad generalizations are too numerous to deconstruct so I'll take a pass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 01/20/2009
- bbbtmenw I'm a Fan of bbbtmenw 11 fans permalink

Thanks for passing

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 01/20/2009

bb, why does a gay in the military have to talk about being gay. why can't he or she do the job and not talk about sexuality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 01/21/2009
- bbbtmenw I'm a Fan of bbbtmenw 11 fans permalink

PART 3
HISTORY 101

-Lesbians helped the Woman's Movement, and others were liberal lawmakers helping.

-African Americans and Martin Luther King need to be thankful to one gay man in particular, BAYARD RUSTIN. Bayard was Martin Luther Kings adviser, organizer of his largest protests, and the IDEA man behind non-violent protest practices used to move the civil rights movement.

-Gays are still imprisoned, tortured and killed for just being gay.

-The US government refuses to join the UN in trying to stop anti-gay laws in other countries that allow for these tortures and murder.

-In the US we are not allowed to marry or have the same validity to our relationships that every other group does.

-DOMA prevents only gay marriage contracts to be recognized form state to state and prevents federal equal rights. All other contracts are accepted from other states and from other countries. Even with gay marriage legal two/three states, it prevents many things especially foreign spouses from receiving citizenship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 01/20/2009

bb, if you are male, you and I can both marry a woman and can't marry a man, what rights do I have that you don't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 01/21/2009
- bbbtmenw I'm a Fan of bbbtmenw 11 fans permalink

PART 4
HISTORY 101

-We can still be discriminated at work, in life and it is accepted. Even with some states having laws to protect, it hasn’t helped enough, especially with the hate comments being acceptable.

-Hate crimes have increased against gays and are rarely taken as serious. And many still feel it is okay to picket funerals of gays murdered and tortured like Mathew Sheppard because "he deserved it".

-African Americans voted for Prop 8 in a greater percentage, passing on the hate and keeping things on the "down-low". If they can't accept gay people and talk about it, it might be why HIV cases are higher in the African American Community.... If someone can't be openly gay, how can they be openly HIV positive and talk about that...

-We also helped and voted over 80% to help fulfill the AA dream by helping to elect Obama.

We have been there, we have suffered, we are still suffering and that we even have to have this conversation shows that there is still too much discrimination.

If all minority groups stood together, there would be an end to the HATE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 01/20/2009
- JohnJames I'm a Fan of JohnJames 100 fans permalink

Great post. Thanks. But there's a danger in implying, however inadvertently, that gays have always and everywhere struggled against discrimination. That's far from true. It's the West since the age of colonialism that's been almost pathological in its hatred and fear of gays and has spread it around the world to one degree or another. Homophobia is not innate. The Western classical world had no concept of hatred toward people on the basis of sexual preference and neither did European civilization during the High Middle Ages. Homophobia is a cultural expression. Anyone who doubts that should spend time in Thailand, which significantly was never colonized, and you'll experience a wonderful and very functional society where people are judged in complete disregard to heterosexuality and homosexuality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 01/20/2009

Well...there WAS some of that in ancient Greece and Rome, the difference is the Greeks and the Romans wouldn't recognize the categories that have. But you can certainly find a condemnation of what seems to me to be the nelliest queens in Roman literature. But there were no significant legal sanctions that I can recall in Roman law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 01/20/2009

Homophobia did exist even long ago for example among parts of Roman conservatives. In Greece the acceptance was limited to relationships of one older and one younger, not two men of equal rank or age group. One of the first things after the Christian rise to power was persecution of gay men.

Of course the "recent" (thought in centuries) rise is due to European, Victorian attitudes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 01/20/2009
- SethBLiNK I'm a Fan of SethBLiNK 37 fans permalink

So let me pose a hypothetical question, bbbt.

Let's say that four years from now, Barack Obama has pushed for, everything you want, both domestically and internationally, with the exception of the legalization of gay marriage. He has abolished DADT. He has increased prosecutions of hate crimes. He has used our influence to promote greater tolerance in other countries. And he has vocally advocated for civil unions and gotten them legally recognized in all 50 states. While not approving of same-sex marriage, he has advocated against the passage of constitutional amendments limiting the definition of marriage (such as Prop 8) and partially as a result, the have not gained strong footing.

But he has not come out in favor of same-sex marriage.

Putting all other issues aside, would you consider him to have been a good President? A positive President for the LGBT community?

And if all that came to pass, would it really matter whether or not Rick Warren spoke at the invocation, or whether Gene Robinson's invocation was televised.

I realize those things seem important today, but in the grand scheme of things, looked at only from the perspective of this key issue, are they really important in the big picture of what you, and he are looking to accomplish?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 01/20/2009
- abmabardy I'm a Fan of abmabardy 6 fans permalink

Well Seth, if I may, I'd like to answer the question you posed. If the "civil unions" President Obama advocated for carry ALL the same legal rights as civil "marriage"in ALL 50 states, including the 1000+ federal rights that come with civil marriage, then yes, I'd be more than satisfied. It's the RIGHTS that matter to most gay people I know, not what label you pin on them. So far, none of the civil unions in effect carry anywhere near the same legal civil rights as civil marriage.

I am a straight, white, Christian woman, and I am (and always have been) a strong advocate of civil rights. America has gotten past religious, gender, and racial prejudices, at least legally, and that is what needs to happen for our fellow Americans who happen to be gay. It's the CIVIL RIGHTS that matter (Social Security, property and inheritance rights, workplace rights, insurance rights, visitation rights, etc.

Religious organizations can adopt whatever policies they choose regarding same-sex "marriage".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 01/21/2009
- ChefLito I'm a Fan of ChefLito 9 fans permalink
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thank you for all the "ifs" but it's the reality that counts. and reality showed that Obama is just like many in the black community - homophobic. If he cannot even acknowledge the importance that the gay community has done for him and his campaign and proceeded accordingly, how could you expect him to do any of those "ifs"? Without belittling the "black slavery issue", the gays have suffered considerably in the past as well, from the Holocaust, etal. In fact, some states up to now criminalize some gay acts but a black man can walk talk anywhere in the country. Hey, a black man got elected President!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 01/21/2009

"If all minority groups stood together, there would be an end to hate."

I agree with this, but as a straight white Southern male from a Judeo-Christian background who has been a vocal advocate for gay rights throughout his entire young life, I find something inherently polarizing in the phrasing of that final, particular statement. I think that hate truly begins when we are willing to gloss over the identity of an individual in favor of the societal institutions ("groups" as you say) from which that individual springs.

Your anger is justified. It is righteous. But please try to remember that, as valid as your statistics and arguments may be, the issues are much more complex than these blanket statements (however accurate they are.) They are intrinsically human issues, after all, and human beings are nothing if not complex.

--A Humanist

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 01/21/2009
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