Clyburn On GOP Stimulus Opposition: We Won, Now Move On

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January 23, 2009 05:47 PM

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Barack Obama and his team of advisers have framed the process of crafting a stimulus package as one that will be inclusive and bipartisan in nature.

But in private and increasingly in public, Democrats are scoffing at some of the demands of their Republican brethren. Elections have consequences, the refrain goes. The GOP can expect consultation and input, but anything beyond that is gravy.

"I do believe that Barack Obama campaigned last year on this certain kind of economic relief that we will give to working men and women," Congressman James Clyburn told the Huffington Post. "This proposal that [Republicans in House] are coming forward with right now is the same proposal that they took out to the American people before last November. The American people voted for Barack Obama. So that would indicate to me that we ought to be doing what Barack Obama proposed, because it was ratified by the vote. This is one of those philosophical differences that exist between us and them; and we won."

Such remarks reflect an emerging attitude among Democrats that Obama should not deviate much, if any, from his recovery plan proposal in order to accommodate the opposition. The president himself, in a meeting with House and Senate GOP and Democratic officials Friday morning, defended his position by noting, succinctly: "I won."

And yet, if political sternness was the tone of the morning, by Friday afternoon aides to Obama were playing up points of agreement. Robert Gibbs, addressing reporters for the second time in his brief tenure, beat down repeated questions about the rocky path to bipartisan compromise.

"The President is serious about doing this in a bipartisan way," he told the throng of reporters. "Again, I think that one of the things we have to stress is that there was a lot of agreement in that room this morning. Some tendency is to cover things that we disagree on. I think there's -- there should also be a tendency to cover what is agreed upon."

There was, to Gibb's credit, an tad bit of overemphasis on the potential for a political clash. NBC's Chuck Todd posed a rather hard-to-imagine hypothetical of Obama vetoing a stimulus bill that didn't have enough Republican support. But the differences between the political parties are starting to crystallize -- mainly in the House and not the Senate.

Earlier in the day, the House Republicans introduced a draft of what they wanted to see in any recovery package that included reductions in tax rates for poor and middle class Americans and the termination of a tax on unemployment insurance. It was somewhat of an inverse political universe, with the GOP positioning itself as the champions of the poor and working class, albeit by wielding their favorite tool: tax cuts.

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Clyburn, for one, saw politics at play.

"Yes I do," he said. "And what I'd note is that John McCain's number one economic adviser has looked at this program and said the way the House [Democrats] proposed it is the way we ought to do it ... It just so happens that John McCain's economic adviser is not running for anything. He is trying to get the economy back straight. These people, who are running for things, are posturing politically and are not discussing this from a standpoint of getting the economy back up and running. They are discussing this from a standpoint of how to score political points."

Republican economic analysts don't have quite as perverse an interpretation. It is smart politics, they say, but also a bit of policy vigor from a party that has been dormant in that department.

"It's a mixed bag. On the one hand, Republicans are showing a few signs of intellectual life and political smarts here," said Steve Hayward of the American Enterprise Institute. "If you really want stimulus, better to put money permanently in the hands of people quickly to spend or save, rather than try a massive government spending program that will take time to get going and then may fizzle out ... The flaw in the GOP proposal is that a large portion of Americans -- I think it may be nearly half of employed households now -- pay little or no income taxes at all any more because rates and thresholds and exemptions were lowered so much in previous GOP tax cuts under Bush, etc. This is not necessarily a good thing: everyone should pay *some" share in supporting the general government. And in many cases people pay more in payroll tax than in federal income tax, so that's where the most bang for the buck would be in terms of cutting taxes."

In the end, Hayward notes, there is little to no chance that the Obama administration will consider the House GOP alternative. In part because of an policy commitment towards government spending rather than additional tax cuts -- Senate Democrats slapped the president's wrist on this front already. But mainly because the Obama team holds the vast majority of cards in the deck.

"I don't understand what they are talking about when they say they haven't been included," said Clyburn. "We had a joint meeting two weeks ago and they were there. We had a joint meeting today ... What are they talking about that they aren't involved? They didn't win the election but they think we have to adopt their approach? They can't do that."

Barack Obama and his team of advisers have framed the process of crafting a stimulus package as one that will be inclusive and bipartisan in nature. But in private and increasingly in public, Democra...
Barack Obama and his team of advisers have framed the process of crafting a stimulus package as one that will be inclusive and bipartisan in nature. But in private and increasingly in public, Democra...
 
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"a large portion of Americans -- I think it may be nearly half of employed households now -- pay little or no income taxes at all any more because rates and thresholds and exemptions were lowered so much in previous GOP tax cuts under Bush, etc." That is a statement that could only be made by a Republican.

I am a self employed bookkeeper and that statement is blatantly untrue. The tax cuts during the Bush administration were for the wealthy, not the average American wage earner. My taxable income in the last few years has ranged between about $18000 and $24000. During that time I have not paid less than $4000 in taxes in any year. If I paid that much on that little income, you can't tell me that half the employed households don't pay any taxes. That just shows that the average Republican lawmaker has no concept of what is true for the "average American wage earner".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 01/25/2009
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

Do the Democrats not understand that we know they have had the power in Congress for 2 years and have done nothing? No one is impressed with them either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 01/25/2009
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Do the Republicans not understand that everything the Democrats attempted to pass was either vetoed by Bush or the GOP used the filibuster to kill their legislation?

Those days are over now and instead of being in charge for 6 years and setting our country on this path and then spending two years as obstructionists are over. Now the GOP can do what they do best. Bash government instead of fixing it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 01/25/2009
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

I'm looking forward to what the Democrats do. They'll have no roadblocks now so they ought to fix everything! I hope so....but I won't hold my breath!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 01/25/2009
- bellabeach I'm a Fan of bellabeach 13 fans permalink

They do need to get over it, there is a real movement in America politics to get rid of the elitist and entitlement the GOP thinks is their monopoly! They need a Hail Mary play in 2012 and they aren't going to be able to pull it off, because we are so very tired of what they have done to the American people for the last eight years, and it will take all the skill and intelligence our new administration can muster to bring us back from the last sad depressing years of W and his administration!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 01/25/2009
- twogunmojo I'm a Fan of twogunmojo 28 fans permalink

it will not require a hail mary.....hillary care and bill clintons assualt weapons ban was all it took to stop that party train in its tracks....this time it may be gay marriage and redistribution of wealth policies that lose your party the congress in two years....and lets not forget that a far left name on the ticket will draw votes away from your guy....at least that is what the dems said about ralph nader when gore lost....so good luck herding those cats.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 01/25/2009
- amadorjon I'm a Fan of amadorjon 6 fans permalink
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when will the GOP get it through their fat heads that the economic pricipals behind ideas like
no governmental regulation, low taxes, low interest rates, and "free trade" have sc rewed the average worker, and the american economy and we are tired of it.....

the only people that actually believe in the GOP's ability to lead anymore are the religious nutjobs and the corporate CEO's who buy $87,000 dollars rugs while their company is sinking around them!!!!!!!!

Adam Smith did believe in no govermental intervention in the economy, but he also preached that an economy needed a favorable trade balance to survive, thanks to the GOP's "free trade" policies, the american worker was forced to compete with basically slave labor in communist china, and hung out to dry!!!!! and then they wonder why the economy is f'd!!!!!

thanks but no thanks GOP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 01/24/2009
- twogunmojo I'm a Fan of twogunmojo 28 fans permalink

so according to you we need more regulation..higher taxes....higher interest rates....and protectionist trade policies.....i hope you enjoy your 2 years in the majority.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 01/25/2009
- amadorjon I'm a Fan of amadorjon 6 fans permalink
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oh no, even if the dems lose, don't you see, the republican revolution is over, you guys ran your most liberal senator, and he still wasn't progressive enough.....

for you guys to win, you would have to emphasize ideas that would have been considered liberal in the reagan years!!!!!!

I consider that a victory for america either way, liberalism is winning!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 01/26/2009
- 2351 I'm a Fan of 2351 3 fans permalink

Who do you think makes the rules for social security disability? We need term limits. We need to throw out any representative that does not work well with the majority. We need to get things done. For years we have been disadvantaged by representatives who play too many games and get nothing accomplished. I say have term limits, give our representatives a chance to see what they can and will do, if no productivity, throw the bums out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 01/24/2009
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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We don't need term limits. None of the major political lessons of the past 16 years has any relation to term limits. Term limits don't help choose better candidates or representatives, nor do they increase the responsiveness of public officials Term limits is an idea people played with ten years ago and disgarded as useless. We were right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 01/25/2009
- RRG64 I'm a Fan of RRG64 51 fans permalink
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Eliminate the ones that run interference against the same people who elected them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 01/25/2009
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Some of the neocons will never get over it. They are going to do everything in their power, to make life as miserable as possible for President Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 01/24/2009

The American people chose Obama so his decisions should be followed. The Republicans have an interest in seeing him fail so their motives are questionable. They are already thinking of 2012. This is unfortunate since it would be better for the country that everyone was working together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 01/24/2009
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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You say their motives are questionable. I think their motives are transparent. Republicans are in it to make a buck, either for themselves, their supporting industries, or their class. That's all. That's why it's always about tax cuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 01/25/2009

I have a real problem with the republican ideals that tax cut will simulate the economy. Isn't this a rerun of the same old sh*t they did while Bush was in office. Look, we have two wars to pay for as-well-as a fallen economy. What we need to do is to kill that Reagan policy that CEO's will be treated as shareholder 'free trade bullsh*t'. This bill make them greedy, they care more about lining their pockets then the quality of the product. That why we've been getting this crappy sh*t from overseas and American jobs are outsource overseas for cheaper labor. That policy is the root to this global mess.

I'm tried of the rich getting richer and damn everyone else due to these tax cuts. I know that big business is the Republicans base, friends and contributors, but they're only 3% of this nation. On the democrats side, I do not like the President Obama pick for the Fed. I don't care about his tax problems; everyone make mistakes if they do their on taxes, but I do care that he was apart of companies that failed "Lehman Brothers". Plus he look shifty as hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 01/24/2009

When O invited the republicans to sit at the table and give input, he did not say they get to run the show. They are pushing to see how far they can get. Thank goodness O reminded them that he is in charge, and they better find a way to accept that. Some input is fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to think they are still in the drivers seat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 01/24/2009
- hopefullee I'm a Fan of hopefullee 2 fans permalink
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What you are describing is *exactly* the way parents treat children who try to test boundaries. Very telling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 01/25/2009

Whatever they do, I hope it doesn't continue to reward only the wealthy. The belief that giving cash to wealthy people will make them altruistic and want to help the poor is crazy. Helping the poor and middle class and bringing back American manufacturing is the key to improving the economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 01/24/2009

Agreed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 01/24/2009

Except they do help the poor and contribute to more charities. By cutting taxes for businesses and the "wealthy", it leaves more income to create jobs and opportunities which will help the middle class and poor. It's what Bush did after 9/11 and it's what saved the US economy from crashing after that devastating event. The inverse of that i.e. bottom-up economics only feeds the monkey and will provide short-term relief with no long term solution.

I agree American manufacturing needs to make a return, but government cash will not solve the problem. As soon as they create a popular, cheap product that resonates with the public and can effectively compete against international parties, then American interests will start to return.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 01/24/2009
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That was all those spineless Dems needed to get it back straight: a Democratic President with gonads to sell.

It's raining Dems...Hal­lelujah!..­.it's raining Dems...hehe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 01/24/2009
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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Let it rain!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 01/25/2009

Simple as that!

Other Dems need to follow President Obama and grow a pair and stand up to these bas ta rd republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 01/24/2009
- LeeCalif I'm a Fan of LeeCalif 65 fans permalink

Bluesman62 is a simple hypocritical troll trying to pull you into a fight. Don't take the bait.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 01/24/2009
- teembee I'm a Fan of teembee 3 fans permalink

Time for payback. Bigtime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 01/24/2009
- Opygollopy I'm a Fan of Opygollopy 78 fans permalink

The republicans are all hot and bothered by the stimulus package. Gee, where the heck were they when Bush was spending $l.5 million dollars an hour in Iraq when they KNEW it was a false war. Where were they when Hank Paulson gave everyone a free ride (only to the rich) since September. Can they spell Accountability? No, well, Bonehead (boehner)should Bone up on his recent history.

People have a look at how he voted while Bush was in office. Have a look how he treated Dems on every point in the last 8 years. He treated Dems deplorably. When they did have a chance to change a law, Bush vetoed it. The Dems since 2006 tried everything to get laws for the people passed and the Repubs squashed all of it. Just so they could blame the Dems for not getting anything right for political points. The GOP deserves to go down and they deserve to stay there. FOREVER

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 01/24/2009
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 01/24/2009
- neocon666 I'm a Fan of neocon666 65 fans permalink

Exactly. And now they're trying to shift the blame for everything to Fanny Mae and the "Community Lending Programs" *wink* *wink*.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 01/24/2009

A false war? That Congress approved? Ummm... okay.

I agree Hank Paulson has proven to be vastly irresponsible and Bush had no business with the federal bailout. And the GOP dropped the ball when they were in the majority by not effectively preparing for this event.

However, Bush bent over backwards to be bipartisan. Do you not remember his ridiculous domestic spending i.e. No Child Left Behind? Even the aforementioned bailout, one of the most socialistic actions by this government since the New Deal? C'mon, that's supposed to make liberals happy, government spending. The only problem is that only when Bush drew the line, all of a sudden he's the bad guy; it wasn't enough. Need I remind you of the dismal approval rating of the Democratic Congress since 2006, which hovered as high as 20%, even lower than Bush's?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 01/24/2009
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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Bush bent over backward to be bipartisan. Right. His idea of bipartisanship was to accuse the Democrats of catering to terrorists every time they opposed or even delayed doing what he wanted them to. And there is certainly no way you can make a case that the Republicans in the Senate and the House have been anything but hyperpartisan since well before they impeached President Clinton on phony, trumped-up charges.

The fact is, the Republicans don't know the meaning of fair play. They don't even have the concept. Their whole philosophy is built on privilege. They are in love with privilege. The only time they speak against privilege is when it is in the possession of somebody else. It's been obvious for a long time that Republicans have only a nodding aquaintance with truth. It's now becoming more and more obvious that they really have only a remote and theoretical relationship with human decency as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 01/25/2009
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