Obama Pakistan Missile Strike Kills 18

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CHRIS BRUMMITT | January 23, 2009 05:11 PM EST | AP

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Pakistani tribesmen shout slogans against the military operations in tribal areas and drone attacks during a demonstration near the federal parliament in Islamabad, Pakistan, Friday, Jan. 23, 2009. More than 1,000 hard-liners demonstrated in the capital, saying there would only be peace in Swat and other regions close to the Afghan border if the government severs its ties with the United States. Meanwhile, Intelligence officials say a suspected U.S. missile strike has killed at least five people in a Pakistani village close to the Afghan border. (AP Photo/Emilio Morenatti)

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Suspected U.S. missiles killed 18 people on the Pakistan side of the Afghan border Friday, security officials said, the first attacks on the al-Qaida stronghold since President Barack Obama took office. At least five foreign militants were among those killed in the strikes by unmanned aircraft in two parts of the frontier region, an intelligence official said without naming them. There was no information on the identities of the others.

Pakistan's leaders had expressed hope Obama might halt the strikes, but few observers expected he would end a tactic that U.S. officials say has killed several top al-Qaida operatives and is denying the terrorist network a long-held safe haven.

The United States has staged more than 30 missile strikes inside Pakistan since August last year _ a barrage seen as a sign of frustration in Washington over Islamabad's efforts to curb militants that the U.S. blames for violence in Afghanistan and fears could be planning attacks on the West.

Pakistan publicly protests the strikes in the northwest as violations of its sovereignty that often kill civilians and undermine its own campaign against terrorists that have also launched bloody attacks on domestic targets.

But many observers believe the government secretly agrees with the tactic and may provide intelligence on the targets, noting that Islamabad's admitting to assisting the attacks would be politically damaging.

The first attack Friday took place in the village of Zharki in North Waziristan, when a single drone fired three missiles in the space of 10 minutes, the security officials said.

The missiles destroyed two buildings, killing 10 people, at least five of whom were foreign militants, the officials said on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

Hours later, a second missile struck a house in South Waziristan, killing eight people, the officials said, giving no more details.

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The United States does not acknowledges firing the missiles, which are believed to be mostly fired from drones operated by the CIA and launched from neighboring Afghanistan.

According to an AP tally based on accounts from Pakistani security officials, at least 263 people _ most of them alleged militants _ have been killed in the strikes since last August.

A U.S. strike on New Years Eve killed two Kenyans said to be among al-Qaida's top operatives on the FBI's most-wanted terrorist list, an American official said recently.

Gen. David Petraeus, who is in charge of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, told the AP late last year that at least three top extremist leaders were killed in recent months due to the missile strikes.

Pakistan's government has little control over the border region, which is considered a likely hiding place for al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden and other terror leaders.

Obama is making the war in Afghanistan and the intertwined al-Qaida fight in Pakistan his top foreign policy priority. He has not commented on the missile strike policy, but struck a hawkish tone during his election campaign.

On Thursday, he named former U.N. Ambassador Richard Holbrooke a special envoy to both countries, an appointment welcomed by Pakistan's government.

In a statement, the country's foreign office said it "looked forward to enhanced and fruitful engagement with the special envoy to further the cause of peace and stability of the region."

Earlier Friday, a suicide attack and a roadside bomb killed two soldiers and three civilians in the Swat Valley, a one-time tourist destination close to the border region, officials said.

Pakistan has launched military offensives in parts of the northwest, but insurgents are making inroads in Swat, blowing up schools, killing police and soldiers and calling for the imposition of a hard-line interpretation of Islamic law.

Militancy in Swat is seen as especially dangerous for Pakistan because the valley lies away from the areas where al-Qaida and the Taliban have traditionally operated.

An indication of the difficulties facing the government, more than 1,000 hard-liners demonstrated in the capital, saying there would only be peace in Swat and other frontier regions if the government severs its ties with the United States.

"The lawlessness cannot end until the end of the pro-America policy," one speaker told the crowd gathered close to the Parliament building in Islamabad.

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Associated Press Writers Munir Ahmad and Asif Shahzad in Islamabad and Ishtiaq Mahsud in Dera Ismail Khan contributed to this report

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Suspected U.S. missiles killed 18 people on the Pakistan side of the Afghan border Friday, security officials said, the first attacks on the al-Qaida stronghold since Presi...
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Suspected U.S. missiles killed 18 people on the Pakistan side of the Afghan border Friday, security officials said, the first attacks on the al-Qaida stronghold since Presi...
 
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Bin Laden to U.S: You entered into holy sacred places, with your military, this defiled our religion, you are an infidel

U.S.: Well we can do what we want, we're Americans and we need our oil. Besides, everyone should just roll over and take our oppression, colonialism, hatred, discrimination and indoctrination like the Indians did.

Native Americans: Yeah..(sig­hs in resignation)

Bin Laden: I will bomb your towers and destroy your economy.

U.S.: We are launching a war on TERROR.

Native Americans to Bin Laden: Watch out!

U.S. to Bin Laden and Taliban: We will bomb your country and kill you, Bin Laden.

Eight Years Later:

Bin Laden is still hiding among the Pashtuns, Afghanistan and Pakistan are failed states.

Native Americans to U.S.: Just because you did it to us, you think you got a free pass to kill, oppress and desecrate. The Sioux nation still has not taken U.S. money for the Black Hills. It looks like your free pass has expired.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 01/23/2009

Brilliant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 AM on 01/24/2009
- lisa12345 I'm a Fan of lisa12345 13 fans permalink

Wow, are you really suggesting that the Native Americans would be sympathetic to Bin Laden, advising him to "watch out"? Bin Laden attacked a country that is every bit as much their country as it is everyone else's. The Native Americans love this country, the last thing they would want is any more violence here. There has aready been enough of that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 AM on 01/24/2009
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No, no, no. Every Bush like move you make undercuts your credibility. Bad President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 01/23/2009
- OverIt I'm a Fan of OverIt 74 fans permalink

The censorship rules on this post are baffling! My comment doesn't appear although a lot more provocative statements have been approved. Why don't the mods post the rules so we at least know what the deal is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 01/23/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 257 fans permalink

Don't swear, do ad homin attack. Say something new.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 01/24/2009
- OverIt I'm a Fan of OverIt 74 fans permalink

I was in compliance with everything you mentioned. Still baffled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 01/24/2009
- stell I'm a Fan of stell 20 fans permalink

So very true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 01/24/2009
- whatevahs I'm a Fan of whatevahs 4 fans permalink

Three days in and already Obama is a warmonger with blood on his hands. Truly, truly "change we can believe in"

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 01/23/2009
- Hanforder I'm a Fan of Hanforder 6 fans permalink

Guess I missed Obama's "swords into plowshares" speech where he said we were disbanding the military and ending war forever.

I've been hearing this sarcastic right-wing whine for months now. "Ohhh - Obama is going to fix the economy and the environment and the world is going to join hands and sing Kumbaya"! And of course, if Obama does nothing, then he's a coward and an appeaser.

It's just sour grapes from losers - a lame attempt to plant seeds of dischord, and to rationalize how badly the GOP has f-ed up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 01/23/2009

Which part of surgical air stirkes based on actionable intelligence did you not understand. It is certainly not pre-emptive warfare based on senseless N.e.o.c.o.­n. ideology. As such, it is the change we needed. Now you're complaining the the Commander in Chief is working to protect Americans in a sensible fashion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 01/23/2009
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

you know, daniboy, if you just admit that you're in favor of w.a.t.er.bo.arding or t.or.tu.ring deta.ine.es because you dont' think they deserve hu.ma.ne treatment, or because you have a desi.re to h.urt the people who hu.rt Am.erica, i'd have more resp.ect for you.

on a certain level, i can understand that point of view.

But to try to somehow ration.ali­ze t.or.ture with l.i.e.s and pro.pog.an­da... or to somehow make the oft-debunked claim that t.or.tu.ree wo.rk.s" - no one's buying it. It's dishonest, at best.

so just man up and admit you like the idea of t.e.r.r.o.ri.s.ts being to.r.tu.r.ed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 01/23/2009
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

hm.

over an hour later and still no reply...

must have slunk off with its tail between its legs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 01/23/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 506 fans permalink
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"But many observers believe the government secretly agrees with the tactic"? Secretly? Pakistani officials have said so publicly! Lazy journalism at its finest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 01/23/2009
- cayuse I'm a Fan of cayuse 15 fans permalink
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You could probalby said that about Laos and Cambodia. 3 Million dead later. It was North Viet Nam that saved them not the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 01/23/2009
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

I have heard claims that that hairy guy sitting in GITMO gave up alot of information after being waterboarded. What did you people hear? Of course this probly came from the CIA and we probly can't believe them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 01/23/2009
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

i heard that the interrogators actually got more accurate information from treating him humanely.

when they to.r.tu.red him, they got g.a.r.b.a.ge

you might try reading sometime.

or even watching The Daily Show - they have people on who actually worked with KSM.

this is really too easy...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 01/23/2009
- obamagal I'm a Fan of obamagal 50 fans permalink
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... but then, if Daniboy did what you suggested, he'd have nothing to gripe about....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 01/23/2009

Probably went something like this --

Obama: "Look, Rahm, I'm in a tight spot. Regardless of what my advisors are telling me, I gotta close Gitmo or I'll piss off a small minority of my base and my constituents in Europe, but I'm taking heat for this, too- folks are saying I'm ending the war on terror -- pretty soon they'll say I'm soft!"

Rahm replied: "Your constituents in Europe? err- nevermind. Well, we are seeking a new way forward with these Muslims. Maybe a strongly worded message?"

Obama- "I meant that to the other Muslims- the ones we've been leaving alone. Find me some Muslims- some evil looking ones, and send 'em a present - maybe a rocket to have with their breakfast, if you know what I mean. Will nobody rid me of these commenters?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 01/23/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 506 fans permalink
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Pakistan means "Land of the pure." A little trivia for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 01/23/2009
- cayuse I'm a Fan of cayuse 15 fans permalink
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No less than America laws require Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and Due Process.

Its the Rule of Law, not a word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 01/23/2009
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

Apparenty there are dissenters. There are alot of experts that say waterboarding does work. As a last resort to save many lives-what would it hurt?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 01/23/2009
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

b.u.sh and ch.e.ney are not experts.

where's your links and proof, daniboy?

or are you, as usual, just full of s.h.i.t again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 01/23/2009
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Don't you get it? Bush and Cheney didn't need proof of anything to ruin lives. He is just living up to their example. He's right because he says so =P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 01/24/2009
- ejay579 I'm a Fan of ejay579 9 fans permalink
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are these the same guys who do not believe in either in global warming or evolution as well?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 01/23/2009
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These are people who get their intelligence briefings from watching "24"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 01/23/2009
- oafishcad I'm a Fan of oafishcad 44 fans permalink

Torture doesn't work to get accurate information. It gets a larger quantity of information. But not accurate information. Its use is barbaric and inhumane. Those who do it, and those who OK its use need to go to prison for their actions. Torture is a criminal act.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 01/23/2009
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

people like daniboy and wdw505 seem to get off on it, for some reason...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 01/23/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 506 fans permalink
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Obviously an obsession going back to childhood.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 01/23/2009
- cayuse I'm a Fan of cayuse 15 fans permalink
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Hell, I would spill my guts for a Ham Sandwich

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 01/23/2009
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

Everybody please Google waterboard training-military does it for training. Anybody want to apoligize?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 01/23/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 01/23/2009
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

"All spe.ci.al operations uni.ts in all branches of the U.S. mil.it.ary employ the use of wat.erb.oa­rding as part of survival school (SE.R.E) training, to psycholog.­ica.lly prepare soldiers for the eventuality of being captured by the enemy forces.[73­]"

which means they're trained how to WITHSTAND it.

you j.a.c.k.a.­s.s.

not how to USE it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 01/23/2009
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

Bingo-if it doesn't work, why would they have to be trained to withstand it? Waiting for your reply.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 01/23/2009
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

You just confirmed that these guys think it can gain information. Thank you. I am not a Democrat!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 01/23/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

ok so how does the water boarding get done in (SE.R.E) training, if no one trained to do it......hu­mm kind of makes one wonder....­.....laugh­ing

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 01/23/2009
- suemag I'm a Fan of suemag 8 fans permalink
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Why is this billed as "Obama Missile Strike"? I don''t remember previous ones being called "Bush Missile Strikes".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 01/23/2009
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

You never heard of Bush's War?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 01/23/2009
- suemag I'm a Fan of suemag 8 fans permalink
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Yeah, but not named for every missile strike

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 01/23/2009
- cayuse I'm a Fan of cayuse 15 fans permalink
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The great chief Geronimo would say not MURDER, WAR. He was right.
GWB and OBAMA Not WAR, MURDER

They did not Amend the Constitution

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 01/23/2009
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

Why do the services use waterboarding in training the people who migt be captured? Do they think that it just might work. Please explain why they would train with it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 01/23/2009
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

"the services" don't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 01/23/2009
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

They do-in training excercises. This is a known fact. Where have you been?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 01/23/2009
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

Obama will always keep the option of waterboard­ing-becaus­e he knows it works-he gets a little more information then we do. If waterboarding has a chance of saving American lives-it will be Obama's duty to use it-no if's, but's, or and's! Just do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 01/23/2009
- AliMB I'm a Fan of AliMB 68 fans permalink
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I think you may be right... a re-post from down on this thread:

"In regards to Bush being a "w a r c r i m i n a l" for t o r t u r e, Obama may fall in that category as well (that is, in your eyes) if the task-force he is setting up comes up with certain recomendations. I read this article that even as Obama signs an executive order banning the CIA from water boarding, his advisors are also considering adding a classified loophole that would allow the agency to use some interrogation methods not specifically authorized by the Pentagon. The loophole, which could come in the form of a classified annex to the army manual, is designed to alleviate fears that an outright ban of "enhanced interrogation techniques" would limit the government in obtaining threat information that could save American lives. While this annex seems like a no-brainer to most, it also isn't very different to Bush's policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 01/23/2009
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

Full of s.h.i.t as usual.

not about the commission to study the effectiveness of the current 19 or so inte.r.ro.gation practices in the AFM (which specifically LE.AV.E OUT things like enh.a.nced interr.o.g­ation)

but because you assert that "he knows it works"

the effetiveness of t.o.r.t.u.­r.e. - or that it works at all - been disproven over and over and over again...

but mental m.i.d.gets like yourself keep ly.in.g anyway.

It's almost like you take pride in your i.g.n.or.ance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 01/23/2009
- AliMB I'm a Fan of AliMB 68 fans permalink
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Read this in regards to a classified loophole:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090116/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_interrogations

Also, remember that there the "task force" on interrogation guidelines could recommend the possibility of a loophole:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090122/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_suspected_terrorists

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 01/23/2009
- Daniboy I'm a Fan of Daniboy 19 fans permalink

All those torture chambers built over the last thousands of years were just a waste of money?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 01/23/2009
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