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LARRY MARGASAK   01/25/09 01:06 PM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — Most congressional Democrats say the quickest way to save homeowners like Troy Butler of Saginaw, Mich., is to let them declare bankruptcy and allow judges to dictate new mortgage terms.

Easy, except the lenders that would absorb the pain _ and lose control of any deals to ease the terms _ do not want to get dragged into bankruptcy court by millions of overextended borrowers.

Butler, 40, is a laid-off General Motors worker who has filed for bankruptcy. But the bankruptcy court has no authority to change the terms of his $90,000-plus mortgage that is more than double the value of his home.

A bill to give judges authority to alter loan terms for primary residences may be the quickest way to arrest the housing market's collapse. Most Democrats in the House and Senate support that plan. President Barack Obama told Democratic leaders Friday he also backs it, according to a Senate aide who was not authorized to be quoted by name.

But 10 groups representing the lending industry and other businesses are fighting back fiercely. Several have engaged portions of their lobbying machines to stop the legislation. The groups spent $83 million in lobbying on multiple issues in 2008, a figure that shows the power of the banking and investing industry and their business supporters.

One Democratic backer of the bankruptcy proposal, Rep. Maxine Waters of California, said the banking industry "has owned this Congress far too long."

Butler, the GM worker, and an industry lobbyist see things much differently.

"I'm living from day to day, hoping to make it through the day. I worry about my family, where we're going to live, how we'll survive," said, Butler, who has a disabled wife and two children, ages 15 and 11.

The chief lobbyist for the Mortgage Bankers Association, Steve O'Connor, said new homebuyers would end up paying higher interest and bigger down payments if lenders are saddled with the risk that a judge could change mortgage terms.

"We're going to defend the industry" against "bad public policy," O'Connor said.

The association's 23-member government affairs team is trying to persuade lawmakers to kill the bankruptcy legislation. The team includes six lobbyists and nine policy experts who double as lobbyists, said O'Connor, senior vice president of government affairs.

The bankruptcy solution would not cost taxpayers money, as would mortgage modification programs that could become part of the government's huge economic bailout package. But it certainly would harm the bottom line for lenders and investors holding mortgages.

The lending industry has voluntary programs in place to change mortgage terms. But Butler's lawyer, Peter Bagley, said it was a nightmare trying to contact his client's lender.

First, he was told the application for a loan modification would take at least 30 days to process. Bagley then called someone with authority to stop any sale of the home, but only received voice messages that the mailbox was full. The application never arrived.

The key to passage of the bankruptcy bill is the Senate, where Democrats need 60 votes to stop a possible filibuster. Ten Democrats _ all still in the Senate _ would not back the plan in a vote a year ago.

Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., the chief Senate sponsor of the bill, said Obama persuaded him in a White House meeting Friday to remove the bankruptcy proposal from an economic recovery package _ to ensure it doesn't jeopardize the stimulus bill. But Obama pledged his support for the bankruptcy solution, Durbin said.

Obama said he would work with Durbin to attach the proposal to other "must pass" legislation _ with the hope that supporters of the overall bill would not vote against it because of the bankruptcy provisions.

Of the 10 organizations that asked the House Judiciary Committee to oppose the bill, the largest is the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. It spent $57.9 million on lobbying in 2008, according to the Center For Responsive Politics, an organization that tracks lobbying expenditures and political donations.

The Mortgage Bankers Association, which represents 2,400 member companies in the real estate property industry, spent $3.8 million and the American Bankers Association totaled $6.8 million.

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03:21 AM on 02/14/2009
Everyone talks about were is my cram down, or how it is going to make interest rates go up. This story is true about my son.

He just purchased a 5 bedrooms 3 1/2 bath house. For $172,000 that had been on the market for 45 days. He bought the house from the bank that had Forclosed on the previous owner 45 days prior. The previous homeowner was visting his friends across the street when he saw my son with the real estate agent and asked how much he paid.

My son informed him $172,000, the previous owner said he paid $580,000 in 2005 for the house. He also told my son that he was trying to get the Mortgage Company to lower the amount owed up until the day they moved out. They would do nothing for him. He had made an offer of $322,000 and they refused to dicuss this with him.

I guess what I am saying is the bank lost an addition $150,000 by not taking his offer. My son got a great deal at $408,000 off the original price. So if you think the banks are going to increase interest because of cram downs just look at the numbers above and you will see, it is not the person that bought the house. But, the Lender really caused the problem. They had a chance to give the previous owner a Cram Down but refused and lost $150,000.
03:10 PM on 02/11/2009
More than an economic stimulus is needed to end the recession. Bankruptcy law on primary home mortgages needs to be reformed, or the Stimulus will not have the desired effect.

Judges should be allowed to change the principal, interest and terms on primary home mortgages. Without this, lenders will continue foreclosures because they will not be compelled to do otherwise. Bankruptcy reform this month will provide the "otherwise."

Lenders purposely exacerbated dropping home values by forcing foreclosures instead of renegotiating loans. Exactly because homeowners cannot declare bankruptcy on primary home mortgages, mortgage lenders forced homeowners to either pay up (which many cannot do because of the recession) or leave.

Mortgage lenders would rather endanger their principal investment by foreclosing on a home, thus losing monthly income along with hundreds of thousands of dollars of the home's value than let the homeowner stay in the home, make payments and keep the house off the market until prices stabilized. The lenders' choice to foreclosure on loans they could have renegotiated not only devastated families, but also destabilized the housing market, lowered property values and decreased public revenues. This loss in property values resulted in the loss of personal wealth which is at the core of this recession all Americans are facing.

So, doing the Stimulus without reforming bankruptcy law would be like tranfusing fresh blood into a patient, while not stopping his bleeding elsewhere. Bankruptcy reform will stop the loss of personal wealth caused by dropping home prices driven by foreclosures.
12:34 AM on 02/05/2009
Mortgage lenders would not have given out questionable home loans if the bankruptcy law allowed primary mortgages to be modified by judges.

The fact that homeowners cannot declare bankruptcy on primary home mortgages is exactly what encouraged the lenders to lure people into ARMs and other problem loans for overpriced houses. How could lenders lose if the law prevented any modification of such loans? Homeowners would either have to pay up or move out. And banks have chosen foreclosure as a remedy, which is what has plummeted home values and tax revenues throughout the United States.

It's easy to blame homeowners, but given their inexperience and lack of information available to them, it's understandable how so many were suckered into bad loans, especially when promised, "you can always refinance." How were borrowers to know that banks were lending to speculators who drove up prices and then, at the first sight of trouble, would go bankrupt on their housing loans, because these homes were not their primary residence?

Why would mortgage lenders worry? People who bought these overpriced homes to live in would have no relief in bankruptcy court, unlike the speculators. The banks would make sure real homeowners pay up or go out on the street. No bankruptcy relief was the bank's insurance policy.

The housing crisis was invented mortgage companies. And all because a federal bankruptcy judge cannot change the terms of home loans. So let's change the law NOW, so foreclosures will stop and prices will stabilize.
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07:57 PM on 01/26/2009
Well, this is a hard one because all the choices are bad.

And, there are some "facts" stated here I haven't time to check out.

If it's true that non-primary residences can already be reset by judges, this is a no brainer - do it.

If that's not true, then I say I'd rather have the home owner walk and let the house go empty because it will be the quickest way for the housing bubble to fully deflate - which is more important to more of us, hard as it is.

What I would prefer is that the former owner can stay in a home until a new owner / tennant is ready to move in. This gives the former home owner some time to gather their resources and try something new. After all, they, also, are better off if they can move into another home similarly situated in their neighborhood.

I'm sure there are other creative ideas that can help other than the old binary choice we appear to be given.
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12:05 PM on 01/28/2009
Obviously the bankers don't want to lose any money, but it is the write-down in the value of the properties they hold that has caused the current credit crisis. I agree with others who see the effort to scapegoat the homeowners and blame the housing crisis on them. Most homeowners had considerable "equity" in their homes a couple of years ago and were encouraged to take out some of that "equity" and then re-finance again in a few years. Why should the homeowner know more about housing bubbles than the housing expert encouraging them to re-finance? Now when the houses are underwater, many homeowners still want to keep their homes, but more and more understand that they are paying for an asset that is worth more than they owe. Add to that the loss of income through loss of job and the need to re-locate to find work, and you can see why many people are resorting to jingle mail and walking away. However, for many who still have incomes and can afford a lower mortgage, a bankruptcy judge's ability to restructure the principal is a way for them to get their finances back in order. The threat of bankruptcy judges forcing a cram-down on the principal should stimulate the lenders to stop dragging their feet and take the haircut. If Obama sells out the homeowner in favor of the banker, then I predict a firestorm of protest.
04:33 PM on 01/26/2009
The mortgage brokers and the banks are the ones RESPONSIBLE for much of the mess we are in currently.

It is MORE THAN APPROPRIATE that they TAKE A HIT ! ! Their lying, cheating, and stealing days of the past should be repaid to the coutnry.

Either go broke and go down, or accept this approach.

Enough.
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02:35 PM on 01/26/2009
Here's the part not noted which should tick you off. Bankruptcy judges CAN adjust the mortgage of your residence - your secondary or vacation residence. But your primary residence, you're screwed. So all you need to do to keep a roof over your head is buy another home! That's what's ridiculous over this whole thing.
01:31 PM on 01/26/2009
There are posters here that were uncharacteristically silent when the banks were given (not loaned) $1.4 trillion dollars just weeks ago.

But when there is any talk of helping out homeowners, the poor or anyone seriously hurt by this "Free Market" raping (90% of the country), they come out in full force and claim the moral high-ground.

Why do you consistently cheer for the thieves and condemn the victims?
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02:27 PM on 01/26/2009
Because the theives are "winners," and winners are popular - even if they cheated to "win."

Just because Obama said we should put away childish things doesn't mean many of us are ready to grow up.
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05:07 PM on 01/26/2009
I agree with you. This whole bailout mess has been so top-heavy that it's going to topple from it's own weight when the bottom can no longer support it. And the worse thing is that they can't see that the weaker they make their base, the sooner they will topple.
01:27 PM on 01/26/2009
To some posters here, the economic crisis is the fault ,exclusively, of the working-class Americans in trouble. The bankers and corporate giants who moved 50 million jobs out of the U.S. while taking tax subsidies and the bankers who took $1.4 trillion in bailout are free and clear of any blame.

Interesting. I wonder what industry they work in....
06:12 AM on 01/26/2009
It only takes 51 senators to change the senate rules and eliminate the filibuster.
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10:40 AM on 01/26/2009
Unless it gets filibustered.
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05:09 PM on 01/26/2009
Actually, when the repubs were threatening to do just that over the bush appointees, it was pointed out in the media (maybe true) that, since it is a rules change, it can't be fillibustered.
12:37 PM on 01/26/2009
Remind me, again, how would that solve an economic problem?
01:21 PM on 01/26/2009
By stopping the Republicans from further destroying America.
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castlerider
"A man's home is his castle"
12:26 AM on 01/26/2009
In the long run, Banks would be able to catch up just fine because people would be able to keep their homes and get their lives back together. This means as they progress back into a life they can manage, they will need banks to offer all the things a growing family needs.

Wake up, people. This is an emergency. Our country's bleeding here. Legislation should be passed to keep lawyers from being able to greatly profit off these cases, and that they go smoothly, with a minimum of conflict and confusion. The judge simply stating the compromise, setting it forth, and slamming the Gavel.
Many on each side will go away unhappy, but at least it will give the majority of hard working Americans a chance to come out of this with their lives and homes and some dignity intact.
12:47 AM on 01/26/2009
There is no "long run" if you ruin the balance sheet of a bank even once.

Obviously, a judge wouldn't know the bank's balance sheet, and even if they did, they would have to make a decision independently of it. Judges decide based on laws, not based on balance sheets.

So if that means that the judges would be given laws that would bankrupt the banks, they would do so without delay and ado.

You can "slam the gavel" as much as you like, it does not solve the problem.
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Pennsanic
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07:46 AM on 01/26/2009
The judges would in no way be "given laws that would bankrupt the banks". Get the information.
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09:22 AM on 01/26/2009
My understanding is that these banks are already "bankrupt" due to their own stupidity. A renegotiated mortgage by a bankruptcy court is a better deal for a bank than having to file a foreclosure action and having to wait MONTHS before getting a hearing on the matter, maintaining a fleet of unsellable homes once the foreclosure goes through, paying attorney fees, realtor fees, taxes, etc. on a fleet of foreclosed homes. Take the court's modification and go with it. The bank is going to take the loss on its balance sheet either way; the renegotiated loan is waaaaayyy less painful. Courts already "renegotiate" credit cards, car debt, etc. in a bankruptcy action that cause loss to banks. This is no different.
10:46 PM on 01/25/2009
Now you know why in 2006 the Republicans led by Bush fought so hard to remove bankruptcy as a tool for average Americans to straighten out their financial situations.

Tell me they didn't know this was coming? Go ahead--tell me...
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11:28 PM on 01/25/2009
Exactly, step # 7 in the overall PONZI Scheme!
12:31 AM on 01/26/2009
So tell me again why the average American is going bankrupt? Could it be they miscalculated when they invested in the housing bubble?
12:15 PM on 01/26/2009
What "housing bubble?" Oh, you mean the credit default swap-derivative-securitization of sub prime paper as AAA when it wasn't, by the biggest financial institutions on the planet scam?

Invested? Oh, you mean all those lambs led to slaughter-first time-primary residence-working class home buyers? Those over-trusting, somewhat naive and definitely undereducated average Americans who were taken advantage of by predatory loan schemes and commissioned mortgage salesmen who took Bush at his word from this speech--below--and sold everything they could in contravention of every established rule of their own industry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8&feature=related

If the link doesn't work just google Bush mortgage speech on youtube.
01:39 PM on 01/26/2009
No, what the average american did was continued to behave as if he/she would continue to work and pay their obligations. The bankruptcy laws must be changed to allow the american people a way to get out of this mess that was created by greedy bankers and mortgage companies. Keeping someone in their home is way cheaper than foreclosing and then having an empty house subject to the elements watching the value of the property decline as it falls into disrepair. We saw that happen here in my town in the late eighties. The banks lost millions by not allowing people to renegotiate their mortgages.
Many simply walked away from their properties and this town became the foreclosure capital of the country. You could buy a house for less than 20,000.00 and spend a fortune just to bring it up to local code many communities never really recovered form this debacle.
10:01 PM on 01/25/2009
BILL MOYERS:

Where have they stashed the loot — that 350 billion dollars of our money that the Bush Administration lavished on them to jump-start our failing economy?

For a story in last Sunday's "New York Times", largely overlooked in all the pre-inaugural hoopla, reporter Mike Mcintire reviewed investor presentations and conference calls to see how bankers talk when they think the rest of us aren't listening.

This from Boston Private Wealth Management, a healthy bank that was handed $154 million:

"With that capital in hand [...] we'll be in a position to take advantage of opportunities that present themselves once this recession is sorted out."

Once this recession is sorted out?

Simon Legree- chairman of Whitney National Bank in New Orleans. They've received 300 million dollars:

"Make more loans?" he asked. "We're not going to change our business model or our credit policies to accommodate the needs of the public sector as they see it to have us make more loans."

I'm not making this up — Flushing Financial crowed that it was newly flush enough to use the bailout bucks to raise the ante and buy new companies:

"We can get $70 million in capital," their CEO said. "So, I would say the price of poker, so to speak, has gone up." And, so to speak, he's playing with our chips!

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/01232009/transcript4.html
05:20 PM on 01/26/2009
Thanks for the Bill Moyers link. This is something Americans need to hear about. That the American tax dollar has been hoarded by the idiot bankers so that the same idiot bankers can watch American business collapse, and then those idiot bankers can buy up the scraps at firesale prices.

America is run by thieves. Either Obama is going to be a principled man who will STOP this madness, or he will be just another Thief-in-Chief.

Lets hope Rush is wrong and that Obama DOES NOT FAIL!!!
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09:56 PM on 01/25/2009
obama has already punted on this help for the homeowner

it will never pass now...............................

he will do nothing to help those homeowners who have mortgage troubles

he sold out the first week of his term........

surprised? i'm not, i voted for him only because Mc aim promised worse.
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Pennsanic
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07:47 AM on 01/26/2009
He's not punting. Give it a few days. He has a giant mess on his hands.
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04:04 PM on 01/26/2009
Good grief, give him a minute - he's taken on more than anyone expected in his first week alone.
09:26 PM on 01/25/2009
"Several have engaged portions of their lobbying machines to stop the legislation. The groups spent $83 million in lobbying on multiple issues in 2008, a figure that shows the power of the banking and investing industry and their business supporters."

REALLY? The banks have a lobby? Well, s--t! Learn something new everyday.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
09:19 PM on 01/25/2009
And that is exactly why the Europeans nationalize the banks, because the banks CANNOT BE TRUSTED.....
10:08 PM on 01/25/2009
No, really? Didn't you read the post of quotes from the Bill Moyers' show I posted. They can totally be trusted dude. I attest to it. I spent a lot of time in board rooms, on golf courses, parties, bars, etc with these folks, they can totally be trusted.
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Pennsanic
Be nice to the US or we'll bring you democracy too
07:48 AM on 01/26/2009
What are you, a maintenance man?