Gates: Afghan War Is America's "Greatest Military Challenge"

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ANNE GEARAN | 01/27/09 06:10 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday "we are lost" unless the United States can find a way not to kill so many civilians in the pursuit of militants in Afghanistan, and that flooding the chaotic country with U.S. troops would be a disaster.

Gates, the only Republican Cabinet member whom President Barack Obama asked to stay on, told a Senate panel that the Pentagon could send two more brigades to Afghanistan by late spring and a third brigade by late summer to try to salvage a war that has ground to a grim standoff with entrenched and resourceful militants.

The U.S. is considering doubling its troop presence in Afghanistan this year to roughly 60,000, still less than half the number currently in Iraq and a modest commitment when compared with the "surge" of U.S. forces and resources credited with turning around a flagging fight in Iraq.

But Gates said he is deeply skeptical about adding any more U.S. forces beyond that, in part because military dominion in Afghanistan has failed for every great power that tried it.

"The civilian casualties are doing us an enormous harm in Afghanistan, and we have got to do better," to avoid innocent deaths, even though the Taliban militants use civilians as cover, Gates told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "My worry is that the Afghans come to see us as part of the problem, rather than as part of their solution. And then we are lost."

Bracing and blunt, Gates outlined an agenda for Afghanistan that is closely focused on U.S. strategic needs in a battle against terrorism and extremism, and that trims the democratic ambitions of the Bush administration.

"We need to be very careful about the nature of the goals we set for ourselves in Afghanistan," Gates said.

The United States should keep its sights on one thing: preventing Afghanistan from being used as a base for terrorists and extremists who would harm the U.S. or its allies, Gates said.

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"Afghanistan is the fourth or fifth poorest country in the world, and if we set ourselves the objective of creating some sort of Central Asian Valhalla over there, we will lose," Gates said, referring to a haven of purity in Norse mythology. "Nobody in the world has that kind of time, patience or money, to be honest."

Gates joined U.S. fortunes in Afghanistan to the related struggle against extremism in Pakistan, but signaled no reduction in U.S. missile strikes or other raids that infuriate both peoples and besmirch the U.S.-backed governments in Kabul and Islamabad.

"Both President Bush and President Obama have made clear that we will go after al-Qaida wherever al-Qaida is and we will continue to pursue them," Gates said.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also indicated missile strikes will continue. He said rules for using missiles in Afghanistan were carefully set, and while the Pentagon has studied possible changes to the rules the U.S. commander there has not asked for one.

"I don't think we can succeed in Afghanistan if civilians keep dying there," Mullen said. "And we've got to figure out a way to absolutely minimize that, the goal being zero."

Afghanistan and Pakistan are the nation's top military priority, Mullen said, and he echoed Gates' sober assessment of Afghanistan.

"The risk of where we are in Afghanistan right now in terms of outcomes, I think ... is pretty high right now because it's not going well and it hasn't been going well for a significant period of time," Mullen told reporters at the Foreign Press Center.

To the constellation of problems in Afghanistan _ corruption, the flourishing drug trade and the limited competence of the central government _ Mullen added the fact, plain but rarely said, that the United States couldn't do as much as it might have liked to counter the resurgence of the Taliban because its troops were tied up in Iraq.

The Taliban and other militants now control wide swaths of territory. Last year, 151 U.S. troops died in Afghanistan, the most in any year since the U.S. invaded the Taliban-ruled country in late 2001 for sheltering Osama bin Laden.

Gates testified before Senate and House committees as Obama considers options for drawing down operations in Iraq and doubling the force size in Afghanistan. Obama planned to meet Wednesday with the service chiefs.

The issue of civilian deaths is increasingly sensitive in Afghanistan, with President Hamid Karzai accusing the U.S. of killing civilians in three separate cases over the last month. Karzai has repeatedly warned the U.S. and NATO to guard against killing civilians, saying such deaths undermine his government and the international mission.

Karzai met Tuesday in the capital with relatives of some of those killed. He told the villagers he has given the U.S. and NATO one month to respond to a draft agreement that calls for increased Afghan participation in military operations.

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday "we are lost" unless the United States can find a way not to kill so many civilians in the pursuit of militants in Afghanistan, and that ...
WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Tuesday "we are lost" unless the United States can find a way not to kill so many civilians in the pursuit of militants in Afghanistan, and that ...
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- Luvial I'm a Fan of Luvial 17 fans permalink

The mindless and criminal US strategy is to "kill all the bad guys". It is US policy to kill Afghans. They are all civilians. The US soldiers burst into people's homes in the middle of the night, kill the "bad guys" and their families, women and children while lying in their beds and then say "Oops, sorry 'bout that, Collateral damage, not our fault!" Do you think these lame excuses mean anything to the thousands of murdered families in Afghanistan? Hardly. It may assuage the guilt of the soldiers and give cover for their crimes in the media, but is meaningless otherwise. What do barefoot Afghans who live in mud huts have to do with 9-11? The Pentagon by design is a huge killing machine and a huge furnace to burn our tax dollars. Their mission is to protect "American interests" not the American people. We know what the American interests are, the same interests that have brought our economy to bankruptcy. The military does not factor in national economic collapse into their war plans. They just keep asking for more and more. The more they fail the more tax dollars they get. Seven years of brutalizing Afghans is enough. You have failed to help the Afghan people. Time to bring the troops home, don't you think? We cannot afford seven more years of failure, financially or morally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 AM on 01/28/2009

What are we doing in Afghanistan? Are we going after Bin Laden? Isn't it much too late and after the fact of 9/11? If it were CSI, by now isn't the crime scene completely compromised and rendered useless? How is my husband supposed to keep the civilian death toll to a minimum or none as Secretary Gates would have him do whilst in the mountains of Afghanistan just trying his damndest to keep his own 150 men safe, whose wives and children's faces he knows well? How are we suppose to accomplish this mission? What are we trying to accomplish? I really don't know and I don't think our soldiers know either? The same old broken record of a dead horse with all its flesh beaten off of a sound bite of "trying to teach the natives to govern themselves and protect themselves while we help them rebuild.. blah blah blah". If we stop bombing and killing them (innocent civilians) and ravaging their homeland without a proper and justifiable reason, maybe they could one day do it themselves when it is the right time for them. All countries were not created equally in terms of natural resources, technology, ideology etc. Why do we have to force others to our way?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 AM on 01/28/2009
- Jezreel I'm a Fan of Jezreel 62 fans permalink
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I have always thought of Sec. Gates as a practical and non-ideological person. He joins many other experts in recommending that the size and scope and objective of military operations in Afghanistan be reconsidered. I agree. There is no precedent for military success in the country by a foreign power. And, our continued presence there will only fuel the growing hatred of America, especially if we continue killing innocent civilians.

I hope that President Obama considers Sec. Gate's advice carefully.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 01/28/2009

"My worry is that the Afghans come to see us as part of the problem, rather than as part of their solution. And then we are lost."
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This is my worry. I am also worried that after Iraq and all the death there. Be very sure there is no other alternative. Death and destruction is bad, it should be minimised as much as possible. Supply the people there to fight the taliban if they want to. It is possible that this is who they are, the way they want to be. Perhaps it is better to give it back to the Taliban, as long as they know if they harbor terrorists we can and will attack. Maybe have limited special missions with a specific goal.
Do not take your eye off Iraq. It is much more important to properly succeed in one than to lose in two.
This is crucial to any future positive change in the region.
I also see a threat from the East. Iran is a problem. Think !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 01/28/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 356 fans permalink
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Mr Gates said the primary goal should be to "prevent Afghanistan being used as a base to attack us or our allies." How can they attack us from there? That's ridiculous. We all know by "our allies" he means Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 01/28/2009
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Its time for the US to stop spending $Trillions on protecting Israel! Harvard Magazine projected the US spent $4 Trillion on Wars in the region and that does not include the real and hidden aid to Israel!

Untie our military from the Financial Elites who set the priorities for America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 01/28/2009
- Roguewolf I'm a Fan of Roguewolf 36 fans permalink
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Afghanistan has been used as a base for terrorists who attack us and our Allies worldwide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 AM on 01/28/2009
- djgonebad I'm a Fan of djgonebad 8 fans permalink
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Why is always a "MILITARY" challenge; not a humanitarian challenge. Infrastructure vs. Bombs; what would you what as a citizen of Afghanistan?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 01/27/2009
- MyTake I'm a Fan of MyTake 31 fans permalink
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You are right. Build them schools, roads, water and electricity plants and provide them adequate and free food supply and they will soon elevate their status from being the 4th or 5th poorest country.

Heck, since the U.S. Corporations, with the governments blessing, outsourced manufacturing jobs to China and India for the cheap labor, why not now outsource the jobs in China and India to Afghanistan and they will soon raise their standard of living. After all, if all these poor fighters have brought the mighty Soviet and now the U.S. military's to a stand still, I am sure they could run some machine in a manufacturing facility.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 01/27/2009
- WmC I'm a Fan of WmC 16 fans permalink

Why not just legalize the growing of opium poppies? Instant rural prosperity, instant government revenues, it would enrage and isolate the Taliban.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 01/27/2009
- djgonebad I'm a Fan of djgonebad 8 fans permalink
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Your right; the heroin is hitting the streets big time, here in Detroit, so what's the difference? But, the CIA isn't going to lose their biggest money maker without a fight; so I don't believe they'll try real hard to change things. On the other hand, maybe Obama has different plans and expects Leon Panetta to bring some change to the money making arm of the agency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 01/27/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 256 fans permalink

Pure Heroin on a prescription allows addicts to function reasonably well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 01/27/2009
- djgonebad I'm a Fan of djgonebad 8 fans permalink
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read your bio; your a bad dude

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 01/27/2009
- parunach I'm a Fan of parunach 6 fans permalink

People are often unclear about what the best way to handle situations are. For instance, Bush wanted to make middle east democratic. One must look at history to see how democracy succeeds. Things like democracy take a while to come through, as the citizens take a long time to understand their rights and how to use it correctly.

In the same manner, making a country prosperous is a non trivial task. It is easier if the country has raw materials (like Saudi Arabia). Without this, the citizens be hard working, must have good education and enough choices to use it, along with money that is invested in the correct areas.

I feel that we must continue our missile strikes in Pakistan and remove the foreign nationals in Waziristan out there. The problem with Pakistan is a total lack of policing. Areas not in the north west region are slowly falling under the Taliban. This is due to a weak civilian govt, the army and the secret service not interested in bringing them under. Take a look at this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/world/asia/25swat.html?ref=asia

So, we must spend time in both these countries only to take care of ourselves. If they wish us to improve the country, they must come forward with a plan that we must approve and then we can spend money on this. We should not spend time or money on useless agenda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 01/27/2009
- PatCroft I'm a Fan of PatCroft 14 fans permalink
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Huh! Well this explains why we have made such a mess with both Iraq and Pakistan.

Doing a surge into Pakistan is a mistake.

When will this government learn that carrots work far better than sticks or guns and bombs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 01/27/2009
- tompoe I'm a Fan of tompoe 20 fans permalink

There's no military challenge in Afghanistan. There's a Bush boondoggle in Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 01/27/2009
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The End is near.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 01/27/2009
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 83 fans permalink
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Pakistan needs to partner with us in the destruction of Bin Laden and the Taliban within their borders. Put and end to that and this conflict takes on a whole new look and mission. Don't, and expect the absolute worst to ensue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 01/27/2009
- wadenelson1 I'm a Fan of wadenelson1 227 fans permalink
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Go study Vietnam, Bob. Tell us how you would have won that one. Tell us how "more troops," etc. is going to produce any different outcome in Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 01/27/2009
- evekendall I'm a Fan of evekendall 124 fans permalink
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He should also study the nine-year Soviet fiasco in Afghanistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 01/27/2009

everyone knows this one will never end in our lifetime. this is to no fault of our civilian and military leaders or great servicemembers.

pull the troops out, and do a containment with targets of opportunity when the bad guys surface or intel dictates.

Interdict weapons and drugs to/from.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 01/27/2009
- drauz I'm a Fan of drauz 3 fans permalink

why won't the Amercian gov do what the American people want?
a) kill / capture OBL.
b) suppress & interdict AQ & similar non-state violent jihadists via spl ops.
c) get the F outta backward regions that have been nothing but a waste for Western powers.

that's it guys - do the job we hired you for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 01/27/2009
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 136 fans permalink

Sounds like you are advocating a rejection of neo-con foreign policy, and a return to logic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 01/27/2009
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My sentiments precisely. Couldn't have put it better. Why not send some of the prosperity $$$s to some deserving african nations?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 01/27/2009
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