Stimulus Debate: What's The GOP's Answer?

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February 2, 2009 10:25 AM

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As a massive government spending bill aimed at turning the economy around winds its way through Congress, Republicans continue to snipe at it for including wasteful or unrelated spending. They've objected to specific elements within it -- money for family planning or seeding the Mall with grass -- and complained that it's too light on tax cuts.

Last week, citing these concerns and what they said was a partisan process, every House Republican voted against it.

But is it the details they don't like, or do congressional Republicans simply not believe that deficit spending is necessary to stimulate the sagging economy? As Richard Nixon might wonder, are we all still Keynesians now?

"Keynesian economics doesn't hold a candle to the entrepreneurialship (sic) that made this economy so prosperous up until the last six months," Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.) declared immediately after the shutout stimulus vote.

His declaration, though, leaves the question open. Six months ago, the economy wasn't going gangbusters, but it wasn't in global crisis mode and there were no calls for a nearly trillion dollar stimulus package. Now that it is, the GOP is reluctant to sign the check.

The idea that government spending is not the answer is part GOP DNA but also related to Great Depression revisionist history that has come from places like the CATO Institute in recent years. Rather than revive the economy, goes the new argument, FDR's New Deal actually prolonged it.

"I think it's so important that we slow this bill down in order to do it right," said Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) Thursday. "The studies that I have seen lately of the Great Depression and the New Deal, it was shown that too much government money was spent and it probably delayed the ability to come back from the Depression by as much as seven or eight years. We can look at the past and learn from it. This spending bill is too big."

For a good Keynesian, any spending that pumps money into the economy and encourages employment is stimulative. For Republicans, it very much depends on the kind of spending. The only place where the Keynesian debate has apparently been settled is on the construction site.

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"I think that if you have infrastructure programs that are meaningful, impactful, and put jobs back into place immediately within the first twelve months, you have a legitimate case for that to be a stimulus," said Cantor.

"Only $30 billion of the $880 billion is going to roads and construction," Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.) complained, calling for infrastructure investment to constitute "at least ten percent of the total amount."

Government analysts estimate that only about $60 billion worth of infrastructure projects are ready to be funded.

"If you get a return on an investment, there's no question that you can invest in bridges, highways, military equipment, buildings, water projects. There's no question that can be stimulative. We don't deny that," said Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) when asked by the Huffington Post if the GOP believes in government spending as an economic remedy.

But the current bill, he said, is "spending money we don't have on things we don't need."

The GOP has popular opinion on its side in the spending argument. Deficit spending is broadly unpopular with the general public, regardless of what economists might think of it. A recent poll paid for by House Republicans found tax cuts twice as popular as spending as a means to revive the economy. The stimulus, backed by a popular president, however, is highly popular -- a phenomenon Republicans hope is due to Obama's overwhelming popularity rubbing off, rather than a public embrace of Keynesian economics.

Attacking spending is a short-term winner for the GOP. Throughout the stimulus debate, Republicans have raised the specter of wasteful spending by Washington bureaucrats -- or worse, the creation of more bureaucrats. "The bill is also creating 600,000 government jobs," objected Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.). "So what is that? One in five to implement these three million jobs? I don't think so."

Those 600,000 government jobs, however, are jobs.

The Republican alternative calls for an expansion of tax cuts. The more than $100 billion stimulus package passed by the last Congress consisted largely of tax cuts in the form of rebate checks. Though the GOP calls for more tax cuts, it also acknowledges that the tax cuts in that stimulus didn't stimulate the economy.

"We have a very, very clear model, because we passed a stimulus package in the last Congress -- bipartisan. Republicans voted for it. Democrats voted for it. It didn't work," said Sen. Bob Bennett (R-Utah), who led financial-industry bailout negotiations for the GOP.

Bennett argued that the last plan "was based on economic analysis of past recessions and past problems and not the depth and seriousness of this one. We saw personal income spike up as a result of the stimulus we put into the economy, and the economy was stimulated not at all."

For Bennett, the plan failed because high debts and the dire economic outlook persuaded people that they should save their money or pay down loans rather than spend. "When you're having an economic crisis, whether you're a company like General Motors or a bank like Citi or an individual, you do what you can to pay down your debt. That's what was done with the last stimulus package. That's the rational thing to do."

Republicans in the House argued that they were shut out of the bill-drafting process and Senate Republicans have complained that their input is heard but not accepted into the package. "We'll get votes on amendments. They'll all lose and the bill will pass and we end up with a totally partisan package," said Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.). "We are too often met with this response: 'We won, and therefore we're going to do it our way.'"

Democrats counter that whatever the polls might say, the crucial debate on the philosophy of government spending was settled on Election Day.

Kyl rejected that argument.

"I don't think that you can credibly argue that the debate that's going on right now about what should be in the stimulus package was ever a part of the presidential debate between Senator McCain and Senator Obama," he said. "I think it would be very wrong to assume that the American people, in electing Barack Obama, were in any way expressing support for any of the particular provisions that are in this bill right now."

As a massive government spending bill aimed at turning the economy around winds its way through Congress, Republicans continue to snipe at it for including wasteful or unrelated spending. They've obje...
As a massive government spending bill aimed at turning the economy around winds its way through Congress, Republicans continue to snipe at it for including wasteful or unrelated spending. They've obje...
 
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- newhouse1 I'm a Fan of newhouse1 64 fans permalink
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The problem is, Democrats are working on the stimulus bill provisions, having subcommittee hearings, putting pen-topaper with calculators on the desks. The Republicans are spending their time looking for a reporter with a microphone and TV camera. The 24/7 newscycle needs filler (eg., Blago on all channels and all talkinghead type shows). So Repubs are appearing on-air constantly, and media is grateful for helping them fill 24/7 time and sell more commercials, so they are not challenging their assumptions and their culpability for getting us into the current mess. Who has asked Kyl, Cantor, McSame, Boehner, or the rest of the crowd about how their policies of tax-cuts for all that ails us has got us to this point of economic ruin? They are not going to volunteer that information as a response to anything, they have to be asked, and dogged about it, and the case made by honest reporting that Obama won because 85% of the public felt the country was headed in the wrong direction: because of the economic policies of Republicans!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 02/04/2009

Newhouse1,
You should probably take a powder. Or is it too cold and a long walk to them thar outhouses? Since when do republicans look for reporters? Heck they're ignored at every twist and turn except when it might suit the Demos fancy. Are you a blooter by chance?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 02/04/2009

And another thing Newhouseuno,
While you pretend to know all and see all things right in the land politics, your statistics are wrong. I thought the likes of Barney Frank, and Chris Dodd where in charge of Freddie and Fannie during all this upheaval...or is that not provocative enough for you to remember? Didn't the demos throw the Republicans out almost 3 years ago? Hasn't Pelosi, and Harry Reid run things for a while? Isn't this "stimulus package?" a little rich for the likes of most of us who have to pay it back while you sit back and smoke your stogies and pretend to represent the great vast majority you claim felt the country was headed in the wrong direction? Well I was and I am...but who in the country supports this current fiasco? While you guys like to look back and jaw bone about the war...THE BAD BAD BUSH administra­tion...you look past the current Obama underpinnings (as unfortunate as they are since I'm an American too) associated with nominating cabinet members who in times past would have been sent to jail just like Al Capone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 02/04/2009
- jsgaetano I'm a Fan of jsgaetano 202 fans permalink
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Typical corrupt Goopers. They'll gladly sign on board to spend $3+ trillion for an illegal genocidal war, but money to fix roads and keep families in their homes is "a waste".

Trickle Down is a warm yellow stream running down the back of the 95% of America, and the job of conservative leaders is to convince us it's rain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 02/03/2009

Your knowledge of this whole affair kind a reminds me of the book..I Pee Freely by Rusty Bedsprings. Man you are very thought provoking indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 02/04/2009
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 149 fans permalink

Republican Congressman John Kyl said: "I think it would be very wrong to assume that the American people, in electing Barack Obama, were in any way expressing support for any of the particular provisions that are in this bill right now."

What does he think- that when we voted for Obama we were asking for four more years of George Bush. No thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 02/03/2009

Why does the media continue to treat the GOP like they are the majority party. They haven't been the majority party for 2 years and the Democrats have only gained more seats. When will the media realize that the voters are no longer buying what the GOP is selling. These people created the mess to clean up in the first place. Why do I care what they think? It has already been shown that their thinking is flawed. Seriously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 02/03/2009

Why did ReThuglicans give us the economy they gave us as of 12/21/08??? Is it because they had the best interest of the common man and woman at hear for the past 8 years? What's changed between 12/31/08 and 2/2/09... One month has passed and NOW Republicans think they can help the common U.S. citizen. I am SORRY. They have HAD their chance and they BLEW it big time... When they can humble themselves before the American public, admit their mistakes, and actually produce some different results, I might begin to believe they have something of value to offer. But until they analyze and admit what they've done wrong for the past 8 years -- all the actions that have put us in the situation we're in now, the Republicans have completely lost my respect!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 02/03/2009

The GOP just want to bankrupt the federal government, the one thing they are good at. More tax cuts on top of the huge ones for the last 8 years will ensure the government can provide no future services and thus everything will soon have to be privatized. Roads will be sold off, federal lands will be sold off, national parks will be run by disneyland with security provided by BlackWater etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 02/03/2009
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Does everybody in the GOP have to have a little catch phrase to answer E V E R Y question..? The drill baby drill, Joe the 'fill in the blank', and now their answer to every question asked... He said 'I won' !
A phrase totally out of context and even the GOP people there thought it was light-hearted and in no way mean-spirited. It's all about the Slogan... but no Ideas or Answers.
Sort of like the soundbite of some Right Wing radio blowhard. How original.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 AM on 02/03/2009
- bascombe I'm a Fan of bascombe 29 fans permalink
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the only people the media will give credence too will be the same people they foisted on us before: the same neocon liars thatr should have been exposed in the boosh days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 02/03/2009
- jazzycafe I'm a Fan of jazzycafe 44 fans permalink
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So what top economists are saying that DeMints's alternative stimulus plan is best? Which economists are the GOP touting, that say their ideas are better than the president's plan? Are they all from the Heritage Foundation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 02/02/2009
- bascombe I'm a Fan of bascombe 29 fans permalink
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grover norKKKwist

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 02/03/2009

Why is it when the Republicans were in power, doing it 'their way' was fair but now they cry because after being voted into the minority they arent getting to do it anymore and it has to be someone else's way?
All tax cuts do is make a bigger deficit without stimulating spending except to spend on your old debt. I didnt spend a penny of my last check from them on anything new, I paid off stuff I owed so I didnt lose my house. Lets get jobs made and make banks start lending again instead of hoarding their newfound cash input and going on multi million dollar retreats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 02/02/2009
- bascombe I'm a Fan of bascombe 29 fans permalink
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not to worry, harry and nancy will give the noxin party everything they can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 02/03/2009
- Lupin77 I'm a Fan of Lupin77 6 fans permalink

The only thing the GOP is offering is the same policies as the former admin - trickle down economics. We know it doesn't work and yet they're trying us to fall for that againl. No new ideas - just stale ones used before and of little use.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 02/02/2009
- mcfried I'm a Fan of mcfried 15 fans permalink

UGH! I'm not surprised these asshats still haven't figured out that the American Public gave them their walking papers in November. I mean how else do you explain this BS - they think they are still in charge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 02/02/2009

Gentlemen GOP why haven't you released your so called tweaked plans to the media? Do you really have answers and solutions? Or have you allowed stonewalling, backwoods drama to steal the opportunity from the American people. Your constituents who live in devasted manufacturing southern towns need jobs, healthcare, food and money for education. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO HELP OR NOT? If Rush Limbaugh has led you astray, beware of tweakers!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 02/02/2009
- HC4BO I'm a Fan of HC4BO 34 fans permalink
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Tax Cuts ... Tax Cuts ... Tax Cuts ... For the RICH

That's ALL the repubs know ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 02/02/2009
- senorlou I'm a Fan of senorlou 106 fans permalink

There's the Republicans. It'll cost 3 times as much, and will be -3 times as effective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 02/02/2009
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