Where Is The Stimulus Shock And Awe?

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First Posted: 02- 3-09 08:55 AM   |   Updated: 03- 6-09 05:12 AM

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During a November 25 press conference, then President-elect Obama promised "a new spirit of ingenuity," declaring that the "old ways of Washington simply can't meet the challenges of today and tomorrow," and that "just because a program, a special interest tax break, or corporate subsidy is hidden in this year's budget does not mean that it will survive the next."

Now, as the centerpiece of the Obama administration's agenda -- the $819 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 -- is before the Senate, there is a growing chorus of economists, policy specialists, and commentators -- men and women across the ideological spectrum -- who suggest that the legislation falls far short of Obama's own standards, that it is rooted in the past, that it lacks ingenuity, that it is not sufficiently geared toward innovation, that it contains a raft of special interest tax breaks and subsidies, that huge chunks of cash will be funneled through old bureaucratic pipelines, and that the measure will plunge the country deeper into debt with little to show for it.

"I just don't understand," said one key Obama transition aide who worked on the economic program, "how a group of A-level people could produce such a B-minus, C-plus product," referring to top economic advisers Larry Summers, Jason Furman, and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner.

Joseph Stiglitz, Columbia professor of economics and winner of the 2001 Nobel Prize, is a firm believer in the necessity of a major stimulus package and described to the Huffington Post the measure before Congress as "much better than doing nothing. The alternative is massive job loss. [Even with the new spending in the bill], there will be large job loses, but there will be fewer." Stiglitz has reservations, however: "The criticism I've raised is that it is not optimally designed from an economic point of view. There should be maximum bang for the buck."

Stiglitz, like many others interviewed by the Huffington Post, was sharply critical of some of the business tax breaks which allow corporations to collect rebates on past taxes for current losses. "The business tax cuts should be linked directly to investment, not credits for current losses or past investments," he argued. Other tax breaks that could be both stimulating to the economy and socially beneficial include credits for those buying low-pollution cars and for those who improve the energy efficiency of their homes, Stiglitz said, reinforcing a comment he made earlier to the International Herald Tribune:

"I've been a bit astonished that all the discussion around the private-sector stimulus has centered on infrastructure...Bailouts, too, are aimed at correcting mistakes of the past, so they are backward-looking. We would be much better off spending our money forward-looking. If we spend $700 billion on new technology and innovation, we'd have a stronger, new, real economy. Up to now, the discussion has focused on the sectors that have been mismanaged rather than the sectors that are creating our future."

Stiglitz and fellow Columbia economist Massimo Morelli both would prefer a stimulus package that rewards -- in multiple ways -- innovation and pioneering research. Morelli makes the case that the legislation should encourage a return to smaller, local financial institutions that are more likely than big banks to capitalize innovative entrepreneurs who, in his view, help drive productivity growth and job expansion. Morelli argues that "We have to go back to small local banks that evaluate the quality of small entrepreneurial projects and finance them directly, without reselling claims to those credits. In other words, the federal government should spend on incentivizing small business creation by tax credits on hiring new workers, on new ideas, but give no tax breaks at all to established larger companies of any kind that have to use highly paid managers to run the business. I believe innovation comes from new companies, and very little from established ones where share holders are too far from the management."

Morelli sees the current crisis as having its roots not in a lack of regulatory oversight, but in a "lack of innovation and new productive ideas in which to invest. From 2000 to mid 2008, investors moved money out of productive but mature investments like high-tech industry, and put money mostly into real estate and speculative activities. These things have no spillover on growth at all," Morelli notes. To be effective, in his view, a stimulus bill should foster innovation and productive investment.

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Dissenting from mainstream views, Morelli contends that "cutting or even eliminating bonuses for managers can stimulate investment when combined with higher taxes for corporate profits which are not reinvested.... Think about it: suppose you are an entrepreneur who owns his business and is expecting some good profits for the year; then, if you know that cashing your profits will make you incur higher taxes, you prefer to reinvest in new plants or new ways to use your productive capacity."

The fear that the hastily-written legislation could result in a huge expenditure of tax dollars with little to show for it except a bigger deficit has prompted a number of supporters of stimulus to argue that the $819 billion bill should be split into two parts.

Alice Rivlin, who was director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Clinton, told the Senate Budget Committee on January 21 that the money needed for swift, anti-recession relief, should be enacted immediately in legislation separate from the "longer-run investments needed to enhance the future growth and productivity of the economy." Combining short and long-term goals in one program, she said, poses risks: "two kinds of risks in combining the two objectives. One is that money will be wasted because the investment elements were not carefully crafted. The other is that it will be harder to return to fiscal discipline as the economy recovers if the longer-run spending is not offset by reductions or new revenues."

Along parallel lines, Brookings senior fellow in governance studies Pietro Nivola says that "a strong stimulus to the economy is desirable -- and the faster the better." But, he warns "there is little room for error. In the current dangerous situation, shoveling $800 billion at the problem, only to discover that too little of it actually stimulates, could prove to be a cure considerably worse than the disease."

Instead, Nivola suggested that Congress "proceed in two tranches. The first would pump money directly into the hands of consumers and businesses through a combination of judicious tax relief and quick-hitting expenditures (including, as one example, ramping up military equipment procurement and recruitment of personnel). Subsequent legislation could take up the long-term infrastructure spending and more exotic projects (such as various green energy programs)."

Columbia economist Brendan O'Flaherty argues that passage of legislation quickly is important, and indicates that he is resigned to accepting some "looser" provisions: "the House bill is not perfect, but good enough. I like a lot of things like the unemployment insurance, food stamps, medical insurance expansion. The tax provisions aren't too bad. Most of the infrastructure stuff will probably be a bust, but you can't have everything the way you want it in a package other people put together. I'm sure there are a bunch of other losers in it too. There is no excuse for the losers, but that's life."

Also critical of the current bill, Douglas A. Hibbs, Jr., Professor of Economics at Göteborg University in Sweden, argues that "We are sliding from recession into quasi depression and academic economics has little useful to say about how to turn the situation around. Economics suffers its long-standing divisions about the efficacy of monetary and fiscal expansions -- or for that matter of any government action at all in reviving macroeconomic activity -- divisions that are strongly correlated with the broader political orientations of the profession's various factions. At bottom, the problem is one of street level social psychology, not contentious technicalities of optimal policy. A reversal of Keynes' animal spirits, now dominated by fear and uncertainty yielding paralysis, should be the main object of attention. To this end the particulars of the fiscal stimulus bill are less important than its capacity to shock and awe, to restore confidence by convincing the citizenry that its government will do anything and everything to boost economic activity, thereby inducing solvent individuals and institutions to ramp up spending, lending and investing. The magnitude of the fiscal thrust now on the table falls short -- it ought to be scaled up by a factor of 2 or more in order to set tongues wagging, arms waving and conservative hands wringing."

Along somewhat compatible lines, Gerald Roland, a Berkeley economist and political scientist, is looking for a "very large fiscal stimulus plan....The only way to prevent a new Great Depression is massive expenditures by government." Roland believes that "tax cuts are not a good idea in the stimulus package. They might have been designed to win the support of some Republican representatives. Their effect is very limited, especially for businesses, but also for households because they will be used to cut down people's debt without having a strong effect in terms of stimulating demand. Support for tax cuts instead of spending is based on ideology and not economic analysis."

More in favor of tax cuts as a way to stimulate the economy, but also in favor of a more thoroughly considered bill, is famed Harvard economist Robert Barro, also a Nobel Laureate. Barro told The Huffington Post: "It's more important to work things out correctly than to do them quickly (with 'shovel-ready projects'). The problems involve mainly the financial sector and housing markets, and the solutions should mostly emphasize those two areas," Barro said. He suggests that "cuts in marginal tax rates might be helpful. These actually worked to help the economy in the past: Kennedy-Johnson in 1963-64, Reagan in 1981-83 and 1986, Bush in 2003. Throwing money at people is not a meaningful 'tax cut,' because it does not have the incentive effects from reduced rates."

While the stimulus bill is encountering growing skepticism, it retains numerous supporters. University of Texas economist James K. Galbraith told the Huffington Post: "The great virtue of HR 1 is that it funds programs that have already been authorized or are otherwise well understood and widely-supported, at least within the Democratic caucus. This means it can be enacted and implemented quickly." After passage, he warns, "there should be no expectation of a 'return to normal' in the near term," calling for "a comprehensive housing program, expanded social security benefits, a reduced age of eligibility for Medicare, and consideration of expanded payroll tax relief."

At a more practical, bread and butter level, Laurie Gould, a Harvard MBA and expert on housing, community development, and nonprofit organizational planning, argues for a massive boost in money transferred directly to state governments. "The House bill provides a total of $79 billion for the State Fiscal Stabilization Fund, in two $39.5 million hits. This sum falls far short of the actual budget shortfalls faced by the states....My argument is that greater federal aid to compensate for these state budget deficits would be a particularly efficient way to preserve jobs. 36 states have already eliminated jobs from the state payrolls, or are considering doing so. Further, to address budget deficits, states are eliminating social service programs, cutting aid to local school districts, and reducing government services."

Interestingly, some of the criticisms of the stimulus voiced by liberal economists are shared by Harvard's Martin Feldstein, a guiding light of the GOP and Reagan's Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors. The business tax cuts are "likely to do little to increase business investment and employment. The extended loss 'carrybacks' are primarily lump-sum payments to selected companies. The bonus depreciation plan would do little to raise capital spending in the current environment of weak demand because the tax benefits in the early years would be recaptured later," Feldstein wrote on January 29 in the Washington Post. "Why not a temporary refundable tax credit to households that purchase cars or other major consumer durables, analogous to the investment tax credit for businesses? Or a temporary tax credit for home improvements? In that way, the same total tax reduction could produce much more spending and employment."

Some of the criticisms of the stimulus bill that Feldstein aired in his Post op-ed are clearly far to the right of the consensus among liberal Democrats: "The largest proposed outlays amount to just writing unrestricted checks to state governments... Will these vast sums actually lead to additional spending, or will they merely finance state transfer payments or relieve state governments of the need for temporary tax hikes or bond issues? The plan to finance health insurance premiums for the unemployed would actually increase unemployment by giving employers an incentive to lay off workers rather than pay health premiums during a time of weak demand. And this supposedly two-year program would create a precedent that could be hard to reverse."

Although Feldstein supports stimulus legislation, he too thinks the legislative process has to be slowed way down. "We cannot afford an $800 billion mistake."

During a November 25 press conference, then President-elect Obama promised "a new spirit of ingenuity," declaring that the "old ways of Washington simply can't meet the challenges of today and tomorro...
During a November 25 press conference, then President-elect Obama promised "a new spirit of ingenuity," declaring that the "old ways of Washington simply can't meet the challenges of today and tomorro...
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- waltn I'm a Fan of waltn 2 fans permalink

Just bring back the jobs.... that would be stimulating.

US treasury invests $25 bn taxpayer money in Citigroup. Citigroup turns around and awards $2.5 bn out of that to Indian offshoring company - TCS!! This is "corporate socialism" at its finest.

Not only is Citi using about $2.5 billion of their bailout for offshoring/outsourcing, Citi also receives a tax credit (reduction) because of their losses and writedowns. That and 1) laying off about 10,000 US employees, 2) borrowing money at about 1.5% from the FED window, and 3) raising credit card interest rates to about 20%. Things are rapidly becoming unhinged.

India's Tata Wins Big Citi Outsourcing Deal http://tr.im/epe33)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 AM on 02/05/2009

I think the Stimulus Program needs some work. If you want to build a better Stimulus Program read this:

http://dad-blogs.com/the-blogs/home/65-news/161-building-a-better-stimulus-plan.html

This is a real solution to the economic crisis. Would help out millions of hard working Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 02/04/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 282 fans permalink

Band Aid.

Without investment in America, there will be few jobs.

It won't matter how low you rate is if you can't pay it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 02/04/2009

No matter what they do with the money, it will have to be paid back by future taxes. So if the people that pay taxes are going to have to pay it back the money should go directly to them. If you were to divid the amount of the stimulis by the number of tax paying people and give those people the money, they would put it to a better use then the banks and corps would. If the money starts coming in from the bottom and goes up the chain it will rule out the bad investing firms and bad banks and they would die on the vine instead of being paid off by the Government. I'm sure that if it was issued out this way, it would take far less money than the $900 billion being offered now. Increase the tarriff on American companies that produce their products outside the United States to gain a higher profit margin by not paying the higher wages of American workers and reducing the labor force here in this country.
To help the world money markets should not be bailed out at the cost of jobs here. Our unemployment situation in our country harm the world markets. If no one is working, then no one can purchase foriegn products. The route being taken as proposed now is a no win situation for everyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 02/04/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 282 fans permalink

No one will spend money. They are afraid.

Only direct investment in Americans can pull us out of this depression.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 02/04/2009

To really understand what's happening, and what has happened, read the "Shock Doctrine", written my Naomi Klein. This was all by design. How unfortunate!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 02/04/2009
- spinmas I'm a Fan of spinmas 3 fans permalink

Washington moves with "all deliberate speed". The speed that was set for civil rights progress, listen they have jobs and health insurance, they miss the urgency. The package needs to help folks on main street, it needs to also support socail systems and the people those systems serve. If folks aren't woking, if jobs kepp hemoraging things will get quite painful..The O admenistration and Dems are letting the repubs get out front on this housing thing...they need to take a deep breath and remember they have 2 years till midterms and 4 years after that before the next election cycle...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/04/2009
- hilary916 I'm a Fan of hilary916 30 fans permalink
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What I'm shocked and awed over is these CEOs taking billions from taxpayers for bonuses and totally getting away with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 AM on 02/04/2009
- robin50 I'm a Fan of robin50 4 fans permalink

We don't want "shock and awe"! We seen what it wasn't when we had the rootin' tootin' wanna be "bringem on" cowboy. I had hope to never hear that phrase again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 02/04/2009
- chronic I'm a Fan of chronic 71 fans permalink
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Cost of Iraq War

$4,681 per household.
$1,721 per person.
$341.4 million per day

$593 BILLION +

http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

And not a peep from the party of ev!l : The Re publican Pary

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 02/04/2009
- Girl28 I'm a Fan of Girl28 13 fans permalink

I don't know what Douglas A. Hills or Hibbs or whoever of Sweden was talking about. My eyes glazed over after the second sentence, and I am actually a well-educated woman, but that went completely over my head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 02/03/2009

Everyone seems, suddenly, to be an expert economist, or can quote one.

ENOUGH.

Let the Administration sit with the brightest and the best, stop the incoming
tidalwave of ideas and opinions and SET BOUNDARIES.

Too much information and concepts crammed into one bill into one period of time, could confound the decision making process which cannot be protracted.

It is SOOO easy to sit in the bleachers and belch out how Obama should do this and that.

It is TIME for the President to take charge, take all input under advisement and stop making this a nationwide reality show with every person with a podium or a microphone becoming a lifeline member.

We elected a President. He needs to do his job and listen to all voices UP TO A HEALTHY POINT.

That point has been reached.

End it.

Shut the doors.

Make the decisions.

Close the GOP out, since they have been given way to much leverage and airtime.

Close the doting on the Dems who had agenda up their sleeves for this Bill.

Hey, now I am preaching.

Hey, now I am imploring the Administration to tighten up and stop people pleasing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 02/03/2009
- RoseMerry I'm a Fan of RoseMerry 18 fans permalink

The shock was that the Supreme Court ignored the Constitution and stopped the election in 2000 and picked George Bush the Lesser to be President. The awe was at how bad he was. And how people put up with him, and that "impeachment was off the table".

Thank Gawd that is over. What a mess we have to clean up now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 02/03/2009

The president lost all chance for "shock and awe" when he acquiesced to the congress allowing the Democrats to write this enormous pork laden monstrosity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 02/03/2009
- Hoisin I'm a Fan of Hoisin 2 fans permalink

You mean Democrats are wrong that $335M in STD prevention wont create jobs? Or how about $150M in Honey Bee insurance. Having lived all over the US, I can think of, well, never mind how many people are in the honey bee industry! Im sure these valid concerns will be blown off with comments like "Republicans dont want to feed children" or "Rush Limbaugh has your new marching orders, go get them",

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 02/03/2009
- jnutlfam2 I'm a Fan of jnutlfam2 9 fans permalink

You sound like Palin and her argument on the fruit fly. Exactly what DO you know about the honey bee and it's declining population? What does the bee do for our ecosystem, do you know? What jobs COULD be created with research into this?
As far as STDs, what dollar value would YOU place on prevention or research to allay the effects of the same? These things you mention won't create jobs? Just because you THINK they won't does not make it so. Eight years of tax cuts we've tried and jobs were outsourced off shore. Let's try something else. "One person's stimulus is another's pork and waste" I just heard Brian Williams say. Give that some thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 02/04/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 282 fans permalink

But war and bankers give away no questions asked.

It's only 90B$ per year for the investment bill.

Not the trillions per year we wasted on bankers bottomless gambling debts.

Time for you to learn about our 16B$ friends, the honey bee:
http://www.ebeehoney.com/Pollination.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 02/04/2009

C'mon, the man has been on the job three weeks. What's taking so long to fix this country and the world?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 02/03/2009
- Hoisin I'm a Fan of Hoisin 2 fans permalink

A voice or reason is not allowed here! After all there are a lot of people here who claimed the economy was perfect till the day Bush took office, which then stands to reason that the economy should be perfect again the day Obama took office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 02/03/2009
- Beninn I'm a Fan of Beninn 33 fans permalink
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He should be fresh &on top of it. But he's "at a loss", discombobulated, "What's happened to my cabinet appointments??"

Yesterday he was casually dressed, walking the halls of the WH w/Matt Lauer, telling him what it's like living in the WH & bowling in the basement with Michelle & the kids. Today, he skips out of the White House during working hours to go read My Pet Goat to second graders.

What the h ll is he thinking?

The problem here is Obama & Democratic leadership in Congress, & their lack of discipline. Obama, & through him Rahm Emanuel, especially.

Every minute of getting the stimulus passed, every step, should've been planned out & controlled, with Obama first addressing the nation days ago about what he's doing & why. Open, transparent, treating Americans as adult partners. Congressmen, Senators, should've all had assigned roles with scripts, rolling out this stimulus as if it was a brand new product on the market.

This is amateurish, & worse than Bill Clinton's most unruly day, because the stakes are so immensely high. There should be no question about Republicans being out of power because they have no new ideas & have destroyed the nation. This may be because Obama has shut out progressives from his administration & is surrounded by the Republican branch of the Democratic Party.

Well that's got to end.

&With the news that Lieberman is skipping the stimulus vote (along with Kyl & McCain), Lieberman should be stripped of committee

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 02/04/2009
- TRYKER I'm a Fan of TRYKER 71 fans permalink

We never want to hear the words SHOCK & AWE again!!!!!

It was an awful choice when Bush did it and to hear you use it as though it were acceptable vernacular is too too remindful of that stupidity. Don't use any of the right wing talking points any more or they will never leave us...please.

It does look like no plan at all. Too bad they can't stop already with the tax cuts for the rich and their corporations that rob us blind any way they can.
We could be starting the Green Revolution with this package...we have to start somewhere and sometime with that, why not now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 02/03/2009

those in power are addicted to making themselves richer. it's no secret. they use divide and conquer tactics and we just fight amongst ourselves for the scraps they are willing to give us.
Socialism is used as a bad word to divide this country yet we bailed out the banks, we have social security, food stamps,etc. And still some will say that is not socialism. Sure it isn't.
These political parties serve the corporations not the people. When are we going to demand more for education, healthcare, transportation, for ALL not just the middle class and the poor.
In the meantime, it's conservative vs liberal , repub vs dem, what a bunch of nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 02/03/2009
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