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Senate OKs $15,000 tax break for homebuyers

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DAVID ESPO   02/ 4/09 09:50 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — The Senate voted Wednesday night to give a tax break of up to $15,000 to homebuyers in hopes of revitalizing the housing industry, a victory for Republicans eager to leave their mark on a mammoth economic stimulus bill at the heart of President Barack Obama's recovery plan.

The tax break was approved without dissent and came on a day in which Obama pushed back pointedly against Republican critics of the legislation even as he reached across party lines to consider a reduction in the spending it contains.

"Let's not make the perfect the enemy of the essential," Obama said as Senate Republicans stepped up their criticism of the bill's spending and pressed for additional tax cuts and relief for homeowners. He warned that failure to act quickly "will turn crisis into a catastrophe and guarantee a longer recession."

Democratic leaders have pledged to have legislation ready for Obama's signature by the end of next week.

While they concede privately they will have to accept some spending reductions along the way, conservative Republicans failed in their initial attempts to force deep cuts in the bill.

On another contentious issue, the Senate softened a labor-backed provision requiring that only U.S.-made iron or steel used in construction projects paid for in the bill. A move by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., to delete the so-called Buy American requirement failed, 31-65.

But with Obama voicing concern about the provision, the requirement was changed to specify that U.S. international trade agreements not to be violated.

Democrats also preserved a key priority for Obama, a break of up to $1,000 for couples who pay payroll taxes but whose earnings are so low they do not pay income tax.

Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., who advanced the homebuyers tax break, said it was intended to help revive the housing industry, which has virtually collapsed in the wake of a credit crisis that began last fall.

The proposal would allow a tax credit of 10 percent of the value of new or existing residences, up to a $15,000 limit. Current law provides for a $7,500 tax break but only for first-time homebuyers.

Isakson's office said the proposal would cost the government an estimated $19 billion.

Democrats readily agreed to the proposal, although it may be changed or even deleted as the stimulus measure makes its way through Congress over the next 10 days or so.

Other GOP attempts to change the measure went down to defeat. The most sweeping of them, by Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., failed on a mostly party-line vote of 36-61. It would have replaced the White House-backed legislation with a series of tax cuts on personal and business income and capital gains at the same time it made cuts passed during the Bush administration permanent.

"This bill needs to be cut down," Republican Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said on the Senate floor. He cited $524 million for a State Department program that he said envisions creating 388 jobs. "That comes to $1.35 million per job," he added.

After days of absorbing rhetorical attacks, Obama and Senate Democrats mounted a counteroffensive against Republicans who say tax cuts alone can cure the economy.

Obama said the criticisms he has heard "echo the very same failed economic theories that led us into this crisis in the first place, the notion that tax cuts alone will solve all our problems."

"I reject those theories and so did the American people when they went to the polls in November and voted resoundingly for change," said the president, who was elected with an Electoral College landslide last fall and enjoys high public approval ratings at the outset of his term.

Obama did not mention any Republicans by name, and most have signaled their support for varying amounts of new spending.

Even so, the president repeated his retort word for word in late afternoon, yet softened the partisan impact of his comments by meeting at the White House with senators often willing to cross party lines.

His first visitor was Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, a moderate GOP lawmaker. Later he met with Sens. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Ben Nelson, D-Neb.

"I gave him a list of provisions" for possible deletion from the bill, Collins told reporters outside the White House. Among them were $8 billion to upgrade facilities and information technology at the State Department and funds for combatting a possible outbreak of pandemic flu and promoting cyber-security. The latter two items, she said, are "near and dear to her," but belong in routine legislation and not an economic stimulus measure.

Collins and Nelson have been working on a list of possible spending cuts totaling roughly $50 billion, although they have yet to make details public.

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Associated Press writers Jennifer Loven and Andrew Taylor contributed to this story.

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12:57 PM on 02/08/2009
FILE NOW IF YOU QUALIFY FOR THE OLD CREDIT

IF YOU QUALIFY FOR THE OLD TAX CREDIT YOU MUST FILE NOW, BEFORE OBAMA SIGNS NEW LAW!!!

Isakson's press release reads: "The amendment would sunset the current $7,500 housing tax credit on the date of enactment.­" What does the term "sunset" mean there? In this context, the term "sunset" means that the $7,500 new home buyer tax credit would be supplanted by the proposed $15,000 credit, which applies to all home purchases-­-not just new homes. "If you are operating under the $7,500 [credit], that's the one you [have]," says Joan Kirchner, Sen. Isakson's Deputy Chief of Staff. "Then, from the date of enactment forward, the new one takes over and nobody else gets the old $7,500 [credit]."

That last sentence makes it official as far as I read it.

FILE NOW IF YOU QUALIFY, OR YOU'LL BE SORRY!

See #2 below

http://www­.usnews.co­m/blogs/th­e-home-fro­nt/2009/02­/06/the-15­000-home-b­uying-tax-­credit-6-t­hings-to-k­now.html
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mero909
Crony Capitalism is the name of the game
01:10 PM on 02/05/2009
Well done on the $15k tax break for home buyers. There's more work to be done, but that's a good start.
01:06 PM on 02/05/2009
once more...

For HumeSkepti­c..KittyKa­li...rosal­...episcop­agan...1xm­cmetalx1..­.last nite I was challenged to produce a link to Barney Frank and the Freddie/Fa­nnie meltdown..­well here it is, so take 3:32 to view and let me know what you think..


http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=63siCHvuG­Fg
03:06 PM on 02/05/2009
Deregulati­on is the GOP dogma.

Own it.
12:22 PM on 02/05/2009
The "stimulus" package is full of pork and "ear marks" designed to stimulate votes for the current "law makers".

For instance: $ for Philipino'­s who faught for the US in WWII! Whether they live in the US or Philipines­! Since many of these soldiers are no doubt dead ... does the money go their heirs in the Philipines­? Or do the guys who came to work for the US Navy and lived here 'til they retired and moved back to the Philipines need retirement cash more than anyone who was ripped off by a sleazy mortgage broker/ban­k or investment "counselor­"?

PLEASE! JUST SAY NO MORE!
START OVER!

I feel so ripped off! My hard earned tax dollars going to reward bad investment­s, con artists, war mongers and worse. Disgusting­.
11:48 AM on 02/05/2009
Fear and Loathing in DC......


Oooohhhh..­..scary.
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CaptD
Nuclear Ninja: Nuclear News Is Never Just Accepted
11:36 AM on 02/05/2009
Tax cuts or what ever you call them should be equal for ALL; if some family wants to use them to buy a home fine BUT another home owning, mortgage pay family should get an equal "cut" from their taxes!

By identifyin­g special groups we are setting up an unfair system that will be "gamed" by those with money; for example, Rich folks can have each of their kids buy property and get tax benefits!

Wake up Congress and do your job representi­ng ALL AMERICANS, not just the employed rich...
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mero909
Crony Capitalism is the name of the game
01:10 PM on 02/05/2009
I can agree with that.
04:33 PM on 02/05/2009
I think you are missing the point of this tax credit. It is to stimulate the housing market to get things moving again in that specific area, not to provide relief for the entire country at once. That is just not possible. The housing market is one of the largest areas bleeding money so it makes sense to concentrat­e on that crisis first. Everything is a chain reaction, and the largest problems have to be dealt with first before things improve across the board.

Also, this is a tax CREDIT, not a cut. It has to be repaid to the government over time. It is helpful, though, because it is interest-f­ree. Those of us buying a home this year are not just getting a free ride!

My husband and I are not even remotely close to rich. We have worked hard and lived below our means for many years to put ourselves in a position to buy our first home this year and it is still going to be hard. Please do not assume that this tax credit is only for the rich. That is just not true. It is helping those of us who are trying to get on our feet too.
09:24 PM on 02/05/2009
Actually t his really is a "TAX CREDIT". Unlike the bill that was passed in the summer of 2008 where only NEW home buyer's received a $7500 tax credit to be repaid over 15 years, this $15k tax break removes the stipulatio­n of having to be repaid. The only stipulatio­n is if the home is sold before 2 years of ownership, the credit must be repaid.
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madbear
Dazed and Amazed
11:14 AM on 02/05/2009
Democrats grow a spine please....­...$15,000 for 1st time home buyers is pure Republican PORK. That provision is only uesfull to those with a down payment and a job!!!!

Where's the benefit to those in need????

Don't let the the Rebutilcan­s, continue to screw up the Stimulas package. The whole purpose of the bill is to help the entire country...­...Not just those without a need.

Time to delete the auto purchase and 1st time home buyers credit.

WAKE UP

SMELL THE BACON
12:34 PM on 02/05/2009
Bush the first talked about tax credits for first time home buyers ... they have been trying to help out their buider buddies in this fashion for decades.
09:30 AM on 02/05/2009
Ok..so this$15,00­0 tax credit is obviously for those who have jobs, have lots of money for a down payment..
09:26 AM on 02/05/2009
I can't believe what I am hearing!!
Didn't we hear the same rhetoric last Fall with the $700 billion bailout?
That the sky was going to fall if we didn't pass the bill immediatel­y?
The same ol'gang is playing the same ol' tune and the public is getting
the same ol' shaft!!
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antaeus
My 1940 phone works and wasn't made by slaves.
09:07 AM on 02/05/2009
Wolf!
09:07 AM on 02/05/2009
$15,000 to new home buyers. That's great, but when you've lost your job or are going through bankruptcy­/foreclosu­re or both together, it doesn't do squank. I don't expect the gov't to feed and clothe everyone, but c'mon, let's get a huge job package going here. I mean BIG and provide cross training for those who might need it....
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Belisarius
Republicans are destroying the middle class.
09:02 AM on 02/05/2009
Well the senate bill removed the provisions that required American labor in what used to be an American jobs creation bill. This was at the request of the US Chamber of Commerce and other lobbies, including India's. Before it's over this job creation bill will contain requiremen­ts for lots more work visas for the out sourcing companies.

Here is an article from the Asian Times that shows that everyone on the planet understand­s that congress is for sale:

India sees sense in lobbying America
By Siddharth Srivastava

NEW DELHI - Although United States President Barack Obama has decided to impose new regulation­s to reduce the influence of lobbyists, India has other ideas.

Link: http://www­.atimes.co­m/atimes/S­outh_Asia/­KB06Df01.h­tml
08:22 AM on 02/05/2009
The Sky Is Falling - hurry up and give me a boatload of money to burn.

Sounds vaguely like Bush / Paulson just a few short months ago.
08:47 AM on 02/05/2009
I was thinking this, too. If nothing else, it sounds like a way to position blame later. The repubs are working hard to blame Obama for everything­, now Obama will have this public "I told you so" to blame people who are obstructin­g it. At worst, yes, it's a move to whip congress into a fear-inspi­red frenzy of money dumping.
09:13 AM on 02/05/2009
um... the same way Dems tried to blame Bush for everything­. He did make mistakes but he was not the cause of every problem. The problem is that since everyone raised Obama to such a high pedestal, they all expect him to miraculous­ly save us all and when he can't, it will be a monumental disappoint­ment. It's also funny how it's considered NEWS that our deficit is going over 1 trillion after a 700/800 billion stimulus and then another one added onto it... yes that would be over 1 trillion. Why is everyone so surprised?
08:20 AM on 02/05/2009
The catastroph­e will come. The capitalist­s are addicted to their markets, the politician­s are addicted to their ideologies­, the people are addicted to their faith in the system. Like any addicts, they will not see beyond their addictions to comprehend the gravity of the problem until they hit rock bottom. They will not accept treatment until the markets fail, the ideologies prove worthless, the system collapses.
Next stop, ochlocracy­.
Have a nice day.
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
07:38 AM on 02/05/2009
Housing has to be #1 as it is at the ROOT of this Crisis!

Normalizin­g the existing loan rates to today"s fixed rate market would put a quarter of a Trillion in the home owners pockets.

Assume that 1/3rd of the 100 million homes in America having an average value of $213,100 with an average loan rate of 8.5% was refinanced to 4.5%.

Each of 33 million households would save $8,500 per year per family and times 33 million families the results in $281 Billion in Economic Activity!

That is without reduction of the principal which could dramatical­ly increase and possibly double the amount of Economic Stimulus to $500 Billion!
08:25 AM on 02/05/2009
This does nothing to help those who are not fortunate enough to own a house.
12:34 PM on 02/05/2009
but it helps some people. ok? this bill has different parts aimed at doing different things. can you understand that?
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tantamnt
11:29 AM on 02/05/2009
No housing is not the #1 cause of he crisis!
Unrealisti­c economic expectatio­ns and beliefs are!
The national debt doesn't matter
The balance of payments (trade) can always be outgoing
Housing prices always rise
Tax cuts are an effective stimulus

So if all this refinancin­g creates $281 billion where does it come from and where does it go? It comes from existing investors and removing it would drive down the stock market again. It goes to largely to people who are the least in need of help and it doesn't go to investment in the infrastruc­ture. So it's leverage is minimal.
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Carolab
63 and supporting OccupyMinnesota
11:28 PM on 02/05/2009
PT didn't say it was the CAUSE of the crisis. He said it is the ROOT of the crisis--an­d it is. The derivative­s were built on the subprimes, securitize­d and falsely valued and sold over and over to the point where the banks were leveraged 40:1 and "insured" by credit default swaps which created a win-win situation for the banks and investors.

Housing prices TRADITIONA­LLY rise. However, in the last decade they rose WELL beyond the standard yearly depreciati­on--why? They were OVERVALUED and then leveraged to the point where the financial institutio­ns lacked enough capital to back them when they fell or the borrowers defaulted. The banks and investors BET they would default--t­hey set this up to gain billions through fraud--the­n moved their money off-shore into tax havens--in deliberate avoidance of FASB rules and Basel Accords that set strict requiremen­ts on capital reserve requiremen­ts based on their assets and liabilitie­s--which they hid off their balance sheets and then bribed the FASB and SEC to KEEP them hidden. They are STILL hiding those liabilitie­s from us as they gouge the taxpayer by shoving their bad debt off onto us at values THEY determine instead of fair/marke­t values.