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Will The Stimulus Kick-Start A New Economy?

First Posted: 03/07/09 05:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:00 PM ET

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While the loudest fireworks in the stimulus debate have come from Republicans on Capitol Hill, another telling, albeit quieter, argument is creating fissures among Democrats and some conservatives. It is not, necessarily, a disagreement over the size of the economic recovery package, but rather whether the legislation has the right kind of underpinning philosophy.

The logic is simple: if the economic structure of the past eight years has failed the country, why spend nearly a trillion dollars to repair it instead of reworking the structure altogether?

"The most obvious problem with the stimulus package is that it has been turned into a fiscal piñata -- with a mad scramble for candy on the floor," wrote Jeffrey Sachs, the Columbia University economist. "We seem all too eager to rectify a generation of a nation saving too little by saving even less -- this time through expanding government borrowing."

"It is time to start new banks; the old banks need to be completely restructured," the conservative Harvard professor Niall Ferguson told the Huffington Post.

"It is definitely good stimulus," said Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse. "It is good economic recovery. But is it enough given the depths of the negative spiral we have turned into? I can't say this is enough. I can't say we won't have to do more."

Such skepticism underscores the dual demands facing the Obama White House and Democrats in Congress. While the need to stem unemployment is paramount in the near-term, there is general agreement that long-term growth is dependent on significant shifts in the economy. One doesn't necessarily lead to the other -- in fact, they can often work at cross-purposes.

Officials who played roles in constructing the stimulus acknowledge the difficulty of the situation they face but insist that the package, as it stands, threads the needle between short-term and long-term needs.

"We are trying to do both," said one senior Democrat on the Hill. "So appreciating that we need to create jobs fast, we put a lot of money into grants for states. It would be a terrible thing, if states were cutting their budget and laying people off at the same time the federal government was cutting taxes and spending money. It would hurt our efforts... A lot of people think we should have done more one way or another, but we had to find balance."

Other stimulus defenders, meanwhile, note that there will be future legislative vehicles on which the Obama administration can fundamentally restructure the nation's economy: additional TARP requests, the president's first few budgets, and energy legislation. Remarkably, the $1 trillion the White House has requested within the first few weeks in office will be just the first bite at the apple.

"You can complain that you want the Obama administration to commit more to these areas than they have committed in the stimulus. But you can't argue that it is a problem in the stimulus," said Rob Shapiro, the deputy commerce secretary under Bill Clinton and an occasional adviser to the Obama economic team. "There are going to be Obama budgets. And that is where the [structuring of a new economy] can take place."

As for the idea that green industries could be the solution to these competing demands -- sectors primed for major job growth and long-term viability -- Shapiro, a green-tech advocate, cautioned against overstating the current market.

"The issue is not whether there is too little of this in the stimulus. There is at least as much as could be reasonably used in these areas. Right now there is not the same type of absorption for green tech investment as there is for infrastructure," he says. "The idea that the green tech people are complaining because not enough has been thrown at them is old-time politics. There is more money in this stimulus then they've ever received."

As it stands, there are obvious innovation-driven aspects to the stimulus package that could go a long way towards establishing new industries as well as jobs: money for scientific research, green job training and transition, funds for new-age car batteries, and investments in broadband construction. But not everyone is convinced that the commitment is geared correctly. And some worry that the money simply isn't enough.

"I support the stimulus package," green movement activist Van Jones, told the Huffington Post. "But when I look at it in its entirety, I fear that we may soon look back and say that we missed a huge chance to go bigger and bolder. After all, there were three flaws with the old economy that has crashed: it favored consumption over production; debt over smart savings; and environmental damage over environmental renewal. Some parts of the stimulus package seem to be more of the same -- trying to prop up the old, failed economy. That strategy simply won't work -- but we could waste a lot of money and time trying. Instead, we need a new direction for our economy. You can't jump halfway across a chasm -- you just end up falling into the abyss."

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While the loudest fireworks in the stimulus debate have come from Republicans on Capitol Hill, another telling, albeit quieter, argument is creating fissures among Democrats and some conservatives. It...
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03:18 PM on 02/05/2009
in it's current form, no.
03:20 PM on 02/09/2009
Instead of dumping $700, $800, $900 billion dollars into programs that no American gets to vote on or have a single say in - why not write every LEGAL American citizen with a legitimate birth certificate and SSN a one million dollar check. That's $300-$400 billion dollars and less than half of what our elected officials who are "supposed" to have our best interest at heart, are proposing. The real estate and auto industries would explode. People would pay off their credit card debt which would seriously aid the credit industry and the retailers sales would go through the roof. Everyone wins!!
09:56 PM on 02/04/2009
No it will not boost the economy. One reason is most of the so-called 'stimulus' package is going to pay back the Dems who helped get Obama elected. Government creting the jobs is not the way to go. If the government creates the jobs, then who pays for the job? You and I do. The government will have to pay for it with higher taxes for everyone. The way to do it is to provide for across the board tax cuts. This so-called 'stimulus' will also result in rampant inflation at the same level or higher than we had under Carter. Because, once the optimism comes back and people start spending money, then there will be too much money in the chain and not enough goods and services.
09:07 PM on 02/04/2009
If it creates lots of infrastructure jobs immediately, it will boost the economy and give everyone a sense of optimism which we all need to get the economy back on track. This could also lead to confidence in the markets and banks lending again.
07:07 PM on 02/04/2009
I really wish someone could explain why the stimulus package shouldn't be comprised solely of cutting every single taxpayer in America a check for say, $50K. With that, people could pay down their mortgages, their cars, loans - what have you - and it all ends up, guess where - back in the banks and into the economy and it wouldn't cost anywhere NEAR $800 billion. That is the only way to get things moving, yet absolutely no one in Washington will consider it. No, better to just give our tax money to banks so they can throw parties for each other. I'm beginning to be embarrassed to be an American.
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fiorastar
08:18 PM on 02/04/2009
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act does not give money to banks--what are you talking about? It creates the kinds of jobs that will last longer than a $50 K check would do, although sure, I'd love it if someone gave me that. I'd pay down some of my home equity line of credit and my student loans. But it wouldn't stimulate a single job if I did that.
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wonketteRAWKS
Hypocrisy is prevalent in BOTH parties!
08:34 PM on 02/04/2009
11 million people unemployed. This stimulus supposedly will generate 3 million jobs. Even after that will these jobs provide for decet benefits and wages? What happens to the other 8 million unemployed? I like schooch's idea, though cutting a check directly...nawww! Send in your bills and let the govt. pay them directly! LOL!
07:04 PM on 02/04/2009
If they want to stimulate the old, dead economy and try to bring it back to life, do what they're doing now, with both the Democrats and Republicans putting nothing but pork into the bill--thye House version was all pork and the Republicans are adding their own, like even more credits to buy overpriced homes so as to re-inflate the housing bubble. If you want to stimulate a new economy, first, regulate the banking system, second, let the failed banks fail (no more bailouts), third, build a first-class infrastructure for electricity, water, natural gas, electric railways and waste, then fourth, subsidize entrepreneurs to build a new economy.
06:54 PM on 02/04/2009
You guys are being led like a lamb to the slaughter to slowly and surely compromise until you have no rights left. Sure the stimulus is a great idea, that's if we had the capital to back it up...Man, i already see where all of this is heading, but i guess people will continue to be blind and asleep.
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nirek
Proud progressive Vietnam vet. against WAR
06:54 PM on 02/04/2009
I think the only thing the repubs want is to obstruct any idea Dems have. The only idea they have that I like is the refi for folks who have good credit at 4%. Trouble is that is expensive and will take from the more needed items.
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fiorastar
08:18 PM on 02/04/2009
You're right.
06:45 PM on 02/04/2009
SPOT ON:

I fear that we may soon look back and say that we missed a huge chance to go bigger and bolder. After all, there were three flaws with the old economy that has crashed: it favored consumption over production; debt over smart savings; and environmental damage over environmental renewal. Some parts of the stimulus package seem to be more of the same -- trying to prop up the old, failed economy"

Unless we address the root contributing causes to the problem, the SAME result will grow.
Where's Paul Krugman when you need him?
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wonketteRAWKS
Hypocrisy is prevalent in BOTH parties!
08:40 PM on 02/04/2009
He's been around speaking up....no one's listening!
06:31 PM on 02/04/2009
Hard, cold truth:Americans are mentally, politically and physically obese. We want to go to Heaven, but want to skip the inconvenient little Death thingy to get there. Want "Change"? Start with yourself, your household, and your family. Buy American. Take some of that money you are scared to death to invest, and buy some solar panels for your roof. Pay off your 23.99% Capital One Visa card bill....and put the card in the kitchen drawer. Turn the lights off, and fix the leaky faucet. Walk to the store. Plant some garlic, tomatoes, and onions out back. Care about yourselves, America, and the system again. Read a book and play a game of chess with your kids or wife.
I sincerely think Obama is on the right track, but I fear he may have bit off more than even he can chew trying to upset the applecart of malfeasance and malevolence in Washington. But so far, so good. I hope he takes Schwarzeneggar up on his offer to "Green America" and to start a massive FDR public works and infrastructure program...a good first step.
07:06 PM on 02/04/2009
Excellent comment. I'd add morally corrupt to your list, as in: We want everything, right now.
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davidwayneosedach
06:08 PM on 02/04/2009
Please begin by telling us why the $700 billion Bush bailout didn't do anything. Except perhaps give AIG employees great junkets.
05:58 PM on 02/04/2009
Tucked into the stimulus -- The Feds want your medical records.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87322

Obama's health care plan isn't universal, & depends on all medical records being computerized where they can be shared with millions of people, without their consent, no opting out.

In some respects electronic medical records sound great: it saves time, money and is technologically up to date. However, privacy becomes a big issue when anything is published electronically. Information on computers or on the web is WAY too easily hacked.

What we need & want is single-payer, universal health care. That's how to get health care affordable. We used to have it & it worked just fine until pro-growth business interests wanted a piece of the medical dollar & created a role for bureaucrats -- Managed Health Care.

Call your Congress critter & tell them to get this out of the stimulus bill.
05:31 PM on 02/04/2009
As one who experienced first hand Hoover's Depression I am distressed that the GOP are resurrected Hoovers and not cooperating in the recovery effort. All they can think of is their mantra: Cut taxes.

The first and greatest need is JOBS. During FDR's terms we created jobs that produced lasting and
visible edifices. Perhaps if the stimulus package concentrated on CREATING JOBS primarily, the Republicans would get on board, or risk the wrath of the public. Jobless people are angry. The
Gop "fiddles while Rome burns."
05:05 PM on 02/04/2009
Do we need a stimulus? Absolutely! This is a service economy - not a manufacturing economy. The only way for the economy to function is for everyone who wants one to have a job. Currently, no one is hiring, people are being laid off, and consumers have stopped buying things they don't have to have. That means the only one who can spend money is the government - and it doesn't really matter what it spends it on. Business tax cuts won't work - no business is going to invest in its infrastructure or work force if there are no customers for its service, no matter how many tax breaks it receives. The spending needs to be now - we can overhaul the economy into a green one over time later. If we don't do this - welcome to a depression! Then see how you like the tax cuts on income you don't have!
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sueinmn
05:23 PM on 02/04/2009
so how do you get the GOP to realize how insane they have become? This is whats needed. Otr enough people believing in what we need to do and do it!
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hackerblaster
I did not mean that to be a factual statement.
04:43 PM on 02/04/2009
Flat Tax! I wish someone would really seriously consider doing something like this. I would have a LOT more money in my pocket and the rich would finally pay their fair share. I just can't believe something like this wouldn't help us out of this mess.
05:08 PM on 02/04/2009
It will never happen. Too many rich politicians who wouldn't be able to use tax loop holes.
04:32 PM on 02/04/2009
Make the ones who caused this mess pony up to the fence. Seize all their assets, including from bush/cheney, and all their little cohorts. take everything these clowns have and own, all their offshore accounts, then throw them out of the United States. "Oh" by the way include members of the media as well.
05:07 PM on 02/04/2009
How about Barney Frank and Chris Dodd?