Obama Attends Prayer Breakfast, Orders Review Of Faith-Based Groups

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PHILIP ELLIOTT | February 5, 2009 06:26 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Declaring that "there is a force for good greater than government," President Barack Obama on Thursday established a White House office of faith-based initiatives with a broader mission than the one overseen by his Republican predecessor. Obama said the new office, which he created by executive order, would reach out to organizations that provide help "no matter their religious or political beliefs."

Obama said the office would work with nonprofit organizations "both secular and faith-based" and would help them determine how to make a bigger impact in their cities, learn their obligations under the law and cut through government red tape.

In a time of economic crisis, the president said, it was important for the government to help distressed Americans but added that "the change that Americans are looking for will not come from government alone."

Obama said the top priority of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships will be "making community groups an integral part of our economic recovery and poverty a burden fewer have to bear when recovery is complete."

To lead the office, Obama appointed Joshua DuBois, a 26-year-old Pentecostal minister who headed religious outreach for Obama's Senate office and his presidential campaign. He also named 25 religious and secular leaders to a new advisory board.

"The big picture is that President Obama believes faith-based and smaller secular neighborhood organizations can play a role in American renewal. They can work with the federal government to address big problems," DuBois said in an interview with The Associated Press. "We're also going to make sure we have a keener eye toward the separation of church and state."

Obama said the office would also work to reach out overseas "to foster interfaith dialogue with leaders and scholars around the world."

Obama's order expanded and redefined a similar office established by President George W. Bush. Focused primarily on faith-based initiatives, the Bush office sparked constitutional questions about whether the separation of church and state would be preserved, particularly if groups receiving tax dollars sought to hire on the basis of religion.

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Groups that were critical of the Bush faith-based office _ including the American Civil Liberties Union, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, and People For the American Way _ issued statements Thursday expressing disappointment in the Obama version. All said that by failing to repeal Bush policies, the White House will allow participating religious groups to continue discrimination in hiring.

The ACLU also charged that the new advisory council amounted to "a president giving his favored clergy a governmental stamp of approval."

Before signing the order at the White House, Obama told the annual National Prayer Breakfast that the program would not show favoritism to any religious group and would adhere to a strict separation of church and state.

Addressing the gathering of lawmakers, dignitaries and world leaders, Obama spoke of how faith has often been a divisive tool, responsible for war and prejudice. But, he said, "there is no religion whose central tenet is hate."

"There is no god who condones taking the life of an innocent human being," he said, and all religions teach people to love and care for one another. That is the common ground underlying the faith-based office, he said.

Obama's advisers want to be certain tax dollars sent to the faith-based social service groups are used for secular purposes, such as feeding the hungry or housing the homeless, and not for religious evangelism. The administration doesn't want to be perceived as managing the groups yet seeks transparency and accountability.

Obama pledged during the campaign to allow taxpayer-funded religious institutions to hire and fire based on religion _ but only for the activities run on private funding.

"There is no one-size-fits-all answer to this hiring problem," said Ira C. Lupu, a professor at the George Washington University School of Law. "It might be at the end of the day, faith-based hiring is going to be allowed in some government-funded programs and not in others."

Obama on Thursday asked White House lawyers and the Justice Department to write a policy that would address the question of hiring.

"There is a pretty clear lack of legal clarity and data in this area. This mechanism allows us to explore those areas on a case-by-case basis and find out exactly where things are," DuBois said.

Lupu said Bush-era faith-based regulations were ambiguous and sought to limit faith-based groups as little as possible. Obama's order, on the other hand, emphasizes oversight of how taxpayers dollars are spent, making sure they don't go to religious purposes, he said.

"He's signaling, 'We are going to take more seriously than the Bush people did the constitutional concerns about what it is the government may or may not directly support with government money,'" he said.

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Associated Press writers Eric Gorski in Denver and Tom Raum in Washington contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Declaring that "there is a force for good greater than government," President Barack Obama on Thursday established a White House office of faith-based initiatives with a broader mis...
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It's all semantics. A dollar from the government to a church's "community work" is a dollar that can be spent on its "religious" arm. The artificial separation will soon be overlooked. Churches will lobby from federal dollars, and government will decide which church gets the money. Both will be more corrupted, if that's possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 02/06/2009

Another cynic, how novel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 02/06/2009

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmP43qsAXvk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 02/06/2009
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RELIGION IS AN ABOMINATION AND HAS NO PLACE IN GOVERNMENT, PERIOD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 02/06/2009

You sound so much like the Bible it's comical.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
-Leviticus 18:22

Peace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 02/06/2009
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Hmmm... Another Obama Flip Flop!

Obama Upholds Bush Faith Policy. Religious groups that discriminate
in hiring may STILL Receive Federal Funding!

Obama clearly singled out the policy during a campaign speech in July,
declaring that "if you get a federal grant, you can't use that grant
money to proselytize to the people you help and you can't discriminate
against them -- or against the people you hire -- on the basis of
their religion."

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 AM on 02/06/2009
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REMEMBER WHERE YOU HEARD THIS.....OBAMA WILL BE A ONE-TERM PRESIDENT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 02/06/2009
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Yeah. You get to decide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 02/06/2009

I don't see how this conflicts.

There is nothing in the language that would indicate he is either establishing or prohibiting free exercise thereof.

Look, churches and religious organizations that want to continue discriminatory hiring practices and proselytizing to those that they help are free to do so, but they will recieve no government funding. They are perfectly FREE to not accept federal money, it's as simple as that. If, however, they would like to have more money for their helping the poor, sick and needy (since I'm pretty sure that's the central theme in the New Testament anyway), they must follow the rules.

Peace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 02/06/2009
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While I STRONGLY believe in the separation of church and state, the name is the real problem here. It's not "faith-based" - it's "charity based" groups we should focus on. EXCEPT - ANY group that discriminates - I'm talking to you, patriarchal and homophobic churches - should NOT be exempt from taxes. AHEM - ANY GROUP THAT DISCRIMINATES (e.g., only allowing straight males to lead) should have to pay their taxes. Otherwise, we are effectively supporting discrimination. And if you want to be a stickler about it, then only the works that DIRECTLY apply to charity can be exempt, but any other expenses, such as general administrative, property, etc. should not be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 AM on 02/06/2009
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WELL - GOOD

LET'S START WITH GEORGE H W BUSH'S BFF, REVEREND SUN MYUNG MOON.

HERE IS A VIDEO ON THE MAN WHO WAS CROWNED THE TRUE MESSIAH IN THE DIRKSEN BLDG IN DC IN 2004

AND HE'S RECEIVED 'FAITH=BASED' GRANTS.....

http://tinyfrog.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/the-coronation-of-reverend-moon/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 02/06/2009
- MakeAWish I'm a Fan of MakeAWish 20 fans permalink

This is a HUGH mistake and unconstitutional! I have as much faith in churches as I do politicians. BAD IDEA!! Maybe it's time to start a non-profit church, to cash in on the free lunch program.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 02/06/2009
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Why not join in a local community organization? It would be a great opportunity to help out. However, it's not really a free lunch, because the purpose of the money is to provide services to the community, not for your organization.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 02/06/2009
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I WANT MY VOTE BACK AGAIN. FIRST WARREN NOW THIS CRAP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 02/06/2009

" The mission of the government committee will be to advise the president and the White House faith-based office on how to distribute federal dollars, and also advise on a range of other issues such as AIDS and women’s reproductive health care. Although former President George W. Bush gave prominence to his faith-based initiative and informally consulted with individual religious leaders, even he never formed a government advisory committee made up primarily of clergy. "

http://www.aclu.org/religion/gen/38667prs20090205.html?s_src=RSS

How can any of you justify RELIGIOUS LEADERS being appointed to advise on issues such as AIDS and WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH?!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 02/06/2009

Oh wait... Let me guess... It's Obama... so we should just shut up and trust him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 02/06/2009

No, we should simply give him a chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 02/06/2009

Advise is the key word here BandsofBlack, it all goes back to Obama's message of inclusion. He is willing to take suggestions from anyone and everyone, including people you don't agree with, including people he doesn't agree with. It all comes down to him choosing which advice to heed in making a final decision and I, for one, am very comfortable to let him do that. If you voted for Obama in the past election and are this paranoid about his judgement only two weeks into his presidency maybe you voted for the wrong person.

The only justification that you should need from those RELIGIOUS LEADERS is that they are American citizens, and as such have just as much right as you, Karl Rove, or any other person the President would like to take advice from. Just because your views and theirs don't mesh doesn't mean their voices should be diminished.

Peace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 02/06/2009

Oh please. You'd be screaming your head off if this was McCain and Palin.

And so would I.

And rightly so.

This is wrong.

And it sets a terrible precedent for future administrations. Think about it... What if Palin wins in 2012? Who do you think she'll fill this advisory committee with?

This is what I was afraid of with Obama. Because he is a Contitutitional lawyer he feels he can protect the Constitution without actually putting the laws in place first. And that is wrong too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 02/06/2009

“President Obama has put the cart before the horse,” said Christopher Anders, ACLU Senior Legislative Counsel. “He is expanding the Bush administration’s faith-based initiative without putting the most important safeguards in place. The president has created a more powerful office with a greater ability to shovel federal taxpayer dollars to religious groups, but civil rights protections are being deferred for later study and decisions. With the president likely to soon have additional hundreds of billions of economic stimulus dollars at his disposal, he should have abolished the discriminatory rules of his predecessor before greasing the way for more federal funds going to religious groups.”

http://www.aclu.org/religion/gen/38667prs20090205.html?s_src=RSS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 02/06/2009

OK, I like your change in tactics here BandsofBlack. This is an issue where I think we can find more common ground, or at least get to the heart of our differences a little faster. While I completely agree with most of what is being said in the quote, it fails to address or even give lip service to what Obama has been saying since his election... that something needs to be done NOW. It's very noble to sit there and talk about what he should have done before the stimulus bill passes but in order to pass "discriminatory rules," as the quote calls them, it would have meant delaying the stimulus bill even longer... something that a majority of economists think is a very bad idea. No, this will not be perfect and there will probably be problems at the onset, but Obama has at least 4 years to try and get those discriminatory rules passed and I think he will get it done. He was a Constitutional Law professor fer chrissakes.

Peace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 02/06/2009

Repeated from above:

This is what I was afraid of with Obama. Because he is a Contitutitional lawyer he feels he can protect the Constitution without actually putting the laws in place first. And that is wrong too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 02/06/2009
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I want my separation of church and state back....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 02/05/2009

You have not lost it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 02/05/2009
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Prove that, please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 02/05/2009
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I WANT MY VOTE BACK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 02/06/2009

Given the irreligious behavior of so many self-proclaimed religious folk, anybody in his/her right mind and using his/her God-given common sense would be skeptical about religion. Any religion that does not challenge you to work on becoming a better human being (rather than deluding you into thinking you've already "arrived") and treat other human beings with respect, compassion and humility needs to be dropped like a hot potato -- it's spiritual delusion. As for religious organizations, if they really believe they are mandated by God to do humanitarian work, they ought to put their own income at God's disposal -- not look for a government handout to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 02/05/2009

(part 2)

Obama the Idealist realizes there is more that unites basic human goals, and the major world religions in terms of their objectives, than separates them. Even most people who ascribe to an atheistic view, would subscribe to humanistic ideals. By bringing different religious groups together, to work together for a common purpose, he helps to promote tolerance and reduce the scourge of divisiveness. This can not only help people move forward in understanding each other, it promotes world peace. Yep, he is THAT idealistic. Help people of faith in all of the WORLD recognize we can do more together than by fighting each other, that we all hope, primarily, to make the world a better place for our children.

Obama is a wise leader, perhaps a bit before his time. He hopes not only to change this country, but to change the world. It is an incredibly audacious and ambitious goal, but I for one laud him for having the guts to try.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 02/05/2009

TinaFreeman, a woman after my own heart. I could not have put it any better myself.

Keep up the good work.

Peace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 02/05/2009
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I concur with AntiSocialite. Brilliant and insightful commentary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 02/05/2009
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Thank you for sharing your insights!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 02/06/2009
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And thank you for working so ceaselessly to try to further a dialogue between the religious left and the non-religious left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 02/06/2009

I would ask the cynics here to consider a number of points about Obama. Obama is both an idealist and a pragmatist.

First, there is Obama the community organizer. Obama sees vast organizations of both faith-based and non-faith based organizations that can be brought together to help deal with the rapidly expanding problems of unemployment, homelessness, poverty, etc. Use them to help solve real problems. They are close to the people and communities they serve.

Then there is Obama the constitutional law professor. In embracing these programs he can push for greater enforcement of the division of church and state, without taking food out of the mouths of the hungry. He can deal with some of the abuses that occurred under the Bush administration while embracing the noble concept.

Obama the politician realizes that he can only push Congress so far to expand government entitlement programs. But if he uses the "Faith based and Neighborhood Programs", it is hard for the far right to complain about helping those "Thousand Points of Light" (a republican term, for those too young to remember) to burn brighter. Hence he gets money to those who needs it outside the spectre of building "Big Government".

(continued)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 02/05/2009
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Obama will not always be president.Others presidents will follow , some of whom will be more than happy to fund "their " agendas thry churches , saying "well,Obama did it "

Thats why laws exist , to hold dangers practices in check and the blurringof the line between church and stae is just one step away from being Iran, Isreal or any one of a number of theocraciesin which the stae speaks with the church's voice, We are already seeing this happen when Jeremiah Wright or Pat Robertson urge their congregations to vote a certain way and spend more time talking about politics than charity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 02/06/2009

If solid, effective oversight and regulation is put into place under Obama's watch many of your fears can be put to rest tbone99. Refer to some of my other posts on this page to see what I mean.

Peace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 02/06/2009
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I'm sure she would also have a faith based office jst like tihs one.
Only she would say hers is made of the uniters..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 02/06/2009

I think the sentiment is nice, but I am also concerned about the way this might turn out. I will feel more comfortable if I see a diversity of opinion on the faith-based committee (or whatever it's called) that he is putting together. I understand that there are some conservative members, but if he balances it with progressive religious representatives, then perhaps it might not fall into the quagmire of proselytizing.

I too am concerned about LGBT members and any discrimination against that group in the name of religion. It was rampant under Bush and I hope that there are policies put in place to prevent that from happening here.

One thing about Obama and LGBT issues, he says he's a supporter. I think we won't really know until things such as DADT or employment discrimination laws cross his desk. I don't really care what people say (including Obama). I am more interested in what they do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 02/05/2009
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What a silly argument. Some of you lot need to get a grip and a real uderstanding of the relationship between social services, houses of religion and the government. Believers and non believers have all benefited from these combinations of community organization and or programs at one time or another. It has always been and always will. No consequence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 02/05/2009
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Yes, and once a person has read "War and the Soul" by Edward Tick, PhD; he clearly states how fast non-believers start praying when the bombs are dropping and the solider next to you is lying dead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 02/05/2009
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And how many faithful lose it when they see no proof of God's merciful compassion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 02/05/2009

Proving?

First of all, the "there are no atheists in foxholes" is completely misguided and easily falsifiable.

Second, praying doesn't prove anything beyond the fact that people do stupid things when threatened.

Third, "he clearly states" is in no way any kind of proof of his assertion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 02/06/2009
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