Stimulus Deal Reached In Senate

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February 6, 2009 02:14 PM

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Senators from both parties have reached a deal to advance President Barack Obama's economic recovery plan through the Senate. Montana Democrat Max Baucus said "we have a deal" after emerging from a closed-door Democratic caucus Friday night. The plan was hashed out between a handful of Republican moderates, Democratic leaders and the White House.

Read below for updates.

UPDATE - 8:44PM ET: The actual price tag on the Senate stimulus package will be north of $800 billion. The deal reached today will be passed as an amendment to the original bill and is roughly $780 billion. But the three amendments that have already passed this week will still be part of the law. One, a housing credit of $15,000 per buyer, is estimated to cost $19 billion. Another, a tax credit for folks who buy energy efficient cars, comes in at around $11 billion. A third, giving $6.5 billion more to the National Institutes of Health, would also be included in the total cost, which takes it to roughly $817 billion, close to the amount of the package passed by the House.

Republicans have been arguing tonight that the higher price tag means that there is, in fact, no deal -- since the deal is for the $780 billion. Democratic senators and Sens. Arlen Specter and Susan Collins said, however, that there is a deal and that the amendments will be worked out in the negotiations between the Senate and House. The NIH piece may have the best chance of survival because it was sponsored by Specter, whose vote will be needed again to pass whatever emerges from House-Senate negotiations. The assumption among Democrats, said aides, is that those amendments will be stripped out during the conference negotiations, because the crux of the compromise deal is the $780 billion package.

Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) named a third Republican who backs the package, thanking Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine for her "very, very strong support for this measure." Snowe's support means that Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) is not needed to reach the crucial mark of 60, though he may still appear.

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UPDATE - 7:50PM ET: Specter makes it official. Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, announced on the Senate floor that he is supporting the compromise stimulus bill that emerged today. Specter's support comes after the announcement minutes earlier by Sen. Susan Collins (R-Me.). Democrats have 58 members in their caucus. The support of Specter and Collins gives them the 60 they need to end debate and move to passage of the bill.

Get used to hearing the names Collins and Specter, along with moderate Republican Sens. George Voinovich of Ohio and Olympia Snowe of Maine. If Al Franken ultimately finds his way to Washington, Democrats, if they stay united, will need only one of those four to move a bill through. They proved this evening they're willing to do that.

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UPDATE - 7:33PM ET: On the Senate floor, Sen. Susan Collins, a crucial swing-voting Republican, just announced that she supports the Democratic compromise on the stimulus, calling it the "culmination of much deliberation and debate."

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That oughta do it.

Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Penn.) is still scheduled to speak. Given that Harry Reid asked that Specter be allowed to speak, it's fair to assume Specter will announce his support. When he does, Democrats will have the votes they need to pass it. It's then on to the conference negotiations between the House and Senate.

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UPDATE - 7:26PM ET: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) took to the Senate floor to say that the compromise reached today required some Democrats to "swallow real hard" and that they were "close, closer" to reaching a final deal.

There would be no vote tonight, however, he said, "but in the next day or so." Reid cited four senators who had been crucial in the ongoing negotiations: Sens. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Arlen Specter (R-Penn.) and Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.).

Those four speakers will now be given time on the floor to lay out their positions.

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UPDATE - 7:02PM ET: The Senate Democratic meeting has broken up. Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) said that there is "tremendous unity" among Democrats for a new compromise stimulus. He and other senators said that the number is now close to $780 billion. Fifty-eight percent is spending and 42 percent is tax cuts. Democrats still hope for a vote tonight.

Sen. Arlen Specter is a crucial Republican vote that Democrats need. Walking on to the Senate floor, he said that he was soon to make a statement there regarding his position. Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D) said that Democrats have "at least three" Republican votes -- enough to pass even if Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) does not make it for the vote.

Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) said that Republican negotiators had been pushing for a $650 billion stimulus and the president made it clear he was willing to live with $800 billion.

Education funding took "a walloping" in the compromise, a person in the room told the Huffington Post. Cuts were also made to Head Start.

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UPDATE - 6:45PM ET:: Senate Budget Chairman Kent Conrad tells reporters that a bipartisan group of Senators has come up with "a tentative proposal that will be presented to Senate Democrats at a 5:30 p.m. caucus meeting. Their draft cuts about $100 billion in spending from the bill.

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UPDATE - 5:49PM ET: The meeting is underway and the Democrats have been joined by White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) entered the meeting with Joe Lieberman, who was asked if a top concern for Democrats was that the cuts may be too great.

"Oh yeah. That's what we've argued all along. It has to be substantial," said Lieberman. Nelson stopped to talk to a scrum of reporters, but Lieberman urged him along.

"Let's go. We've got to get in there and get it done," said Lieberman.

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Sens. Ben Nelson and Susan Collins just wrapped up a meeting with Majority Leader Harry Reid and the Senate Democratic leadership meant to hammer out details of a compromise stimulus package.

Asked how she was feeling as she left the meeting with Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Penn.), Collins responded, "Not as good as I felt earlier."

Told of Collins' comment, Nelson said that the negotiations are "not slipping" and that Collins may have been referring to fatigue. "You have to worry about fatigue. Sometimes fatigue interferes more than terms," he said. "After about the third or the fourth time going over this, you start to wonder if you are making progress or is it even possible? But having done this sort of thing in a prior life" -- Nelson was governor of Nebraska -- "I think you just have to keep moving forward and continuing to talk and see if you can narrow the gap."

He added: "The gap is on the other side."

Reid presented the bipartisan group with his own set of stimulus cuts, said Nelson after the meeting, which had been drawn up by the Senate appropriations committee. "As you might imagine, they had a different idea of how to go about this," Nelson said. A Reid aide confirmed that the majority leader presented his own proposal but did not have details or an outline of it.

The final package, said Nelson, is likely to be significantly lower. "I think it will be below 800 [billion]. For me it's not symbolism, it's an economic matter. At some point it's just too big," he said.

Asked by the Huffington Post if that meant he thought 800 billion was the specific point at which it was too big, he said, "It's whatever gets 60 votes, 61 votes."

Nelson declared himself optimistic. "It's quite possible that we'll have the number we need," he said, but that will require cutting enough to pull in some Republicans without cutting so much that you lose Democrats -- or lose sight of the initial purpose.

"That was a tall order at the beginning. It hasn't gotten any shorter," said Nelson. "Our goal is to try to get it done today."

Following the meeting, Nelson walked around the corner to the LBJ room for a meeting with Senate Democrats. He said he would then journey to other side and meet again with Senate Republicans. His staff, he said, is in constant coordination with aides to Collins and Specter.

Reid said earlier today that he'd like to see the stimulus bill voted on this evening, and has been deep in negotiations throughout the day, including at least five calls with White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel before noon, his spokesman Jim Manley said.

Nelson and Collins have also been engaged in high-profile talks the last several days involving centrist members of both parties, aimed at cutting down the size of the stimulus. They have drawn up several drafts of proposed cuts.

Senators from both parties have reached a deal to advance President Barack Obama's economic recovery plan through the Senate. Montana Democrat Max Baucus said "we have a deal" after emerging from a cl...
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- research I'm a Fan of research 257 fans permalink

Check out this spreadsheet.

Much easier to read, just a few pages long, and all the real numbers and time.

http://bennelson.senate.gov/news/details.cfm?id=307916&&

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 02/08/2009
- torrrep I'm a Fan of torrrep 12 fans permalink

Maybe I missed it but is there a document out there that shows the nuts and bolts comparison of the two bills? Each bill is over 700 pages long and is a little much to dig through.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 02/08/2009
- take10 I'm a Fan of take10 60 fans permalink
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If the CEO's were to pay themselves all of the bailout funds and allow their companies to fold, the republicans wouldn't be offended or outraged. They act more like a board of directors for Ceo's than officials elected to do what is best for all Americans. Where was all of the spending outrage when GW Bush was emptying the treasury to the benefit of his rich friends, and on a war based on lies? What President Obama has inherited from the last 8 years of the republicans is worse that most people realize. Rather than help improve the economy and thus the lives of ordinary Americans, they still act on behalf of those who would continue to rip us off. Again, I say, don't give anymore cash to the banks. Lets have a 'fail out' rather than a 'bail out.' I'll bet that you'll see just how quick the banks can solve their own problems. Taxpayers are currently voiceless in this matter. Who is speaking for us? Both of the proposals pending before the congress are tilted toward the same entities which benefited from the policies of the past 8 years. Who in their right mind gets all excited about giving a tax break to someone who is unemployed. Then again, the choice of Steele to lead the republicans into the future is solid evidence that they are fanatics on the fringe of lunacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 02/08/2009

i've been saying it for ages...let the damn repugs filibuster!!! then the american people (and i pray to God the southerns) will see them for what they truly are. harry reid needs to grow a set and quit backing down each and everytime the word 'filibuster' is whispered.

i'm from the south and i wish the southern people would wake up and not vote against their own best economic interests time and time again. the repugs get them thru the oh so important issues of "all those HOMO-SEXUALS can't be let into the military' and 'those left-wing socialists want to take away my right to bear arms". PUH-LEEZE. i don't give a damn what someone does in the privacy of their home and i don't want your damn guns. get the frack over it and think big picture for once in your little lives.

this country is going to hell in a hand-basket and we can blame the repugs for it. WAKE THE F*CK UP!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 02/07/2009
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The Republicans and their Quizling Democrats managed to get provisions for education removed. Figures. Everything they do is still motivated by desires to maintain as much of the old biased systems as possible.

Republicans are all about class warfare.

Too bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 02/07/2009
- GunnyJ I'm a Fan of GunnyJ 19 fans permalink
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We may a President who is smart enough to give the Republicans the rope they need to hang themselves for good. When the dust clears and stimulus is passed the Republicans will be seen for what they did and they will pay.
I find it hard to believe that hard working out of work Americans in Ohio, Penn and Michigan are askling their Republican congress people for tax cuts. I willing to bet they are asking for jobs which is all any American wants. No hand outs, just a decent wage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 02/07/2009

Only if this bill is successfull which is highly unlikely, the higher cafe standards issued to the auto industry will hurt in Michigan already GM is cutting another few thousand jobs this week.

This spending bill will only cause our grandchildren to grow up around 100,000.00 in debt the American people are not blind which is why the majority of Dems and Republicans did not support this bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 02/07/2009
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Without jobs, we will always be in debt. No jobs, no money to pay taxes!

If the auto industry can't make a car that meets the CAFE standards (does not apply to SUV's and pickups) than they will fall by the wayside just like the horse and buggy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 02/07/2009
- garyhere I'm a Fan of garyhere 2 fans permalink

the whole problem is they don't have to filibuster anymore. all they have to do is INTEND to filibuster. make them actually do it and the american people can see what ideological fanatics they really are. wanna bet they can't get all the republicans to actually filibuster? also what the hell is Kennedy thinking? resign and get somebody who can actually do the job. his ego is destroying his legacy. it's past time for him to step aside. he can't do the job anymore. he should say goodbye and allow someone else to step in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 AM on 02/07/2009
- wltdnfaded I'm a Fan of wltdnfaded 64 fans permalink
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I really wish Obama had gone to the mattresses on this one. "You want a fillibuster? Fine, go ahead, fillibuster your black little hearts out. I'll be here, waiting."

I love my President, and stand behind him. But...he keeps talking about "bold actions." Well, battling a fillibuster is as bold as it gets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 AM on 02/07/2009

Just like in the '30s, we have once again arrived at a crossroads for the American capitalist system when all assumptions about what creates sustainable economic growth have to be rethought.­. Trickle down was the philosophy of the '20s and it led to the Great Depression, and trickle down has been in place these last 29 years, and here we are staring at another one. The Reagan inspired trickle down, tax cuts, borrow and spend on missiles economic philosophy has left the country bankrupt, overleveraged, and shedding jobs at a record pace. Obviously that economic model is now discredited, as it only created the illusion of prosperity, with material trappings that people couldn't actually afford when the bill came due.

The conspicuous consumption, easy credit, and excessive borrowing with stagnant wages, which we've engaged in is now a thing of the past. We cannot and won't reinflate the credit bubble. This is only the first of multiple stimulus packages to try to mitigate the pain. Another distasteful bank bailout is also inevitable, as we now try to design a create a new way to build genuine prosperity that is sustainable. Serious deflation is now inevitable. The good news is that until they figure out a new economic paradigm, everything is going to be very cheap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 AM on 02/07/2009

I am angry that once again education takes a hit. WTH are they thinking? That is one of the major problems of this country is that there has been so much money cut from education. The more you cut education the dumber people are gonna get. How is a tax credit buying a new car going to help anyone when the dam banks won't give up the money? People have been trying to buy cars but the banks won't release the funds. This is maddening!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 02/07/2009
- FZliveson I'm a Fan of FZliveson 82 fans permalink
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Please flood your senators with angry FAX messages that they will have to read and
take in. They ignore phone calls or they send patronizing emails or canned letters back,
each one reading as though you had just sent flowers or something else, nice.
Blast em. Otherwise the sell-out will continue unabated and we will have more to grumble
about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 02/07/2009
- fass I'm a Fan of fass 2 fans permalink

Tax cut needs to be out of bill they are worthless and senseless.
no job no shopping what is so hard for those idiots in Congress to understand

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 02/07/2009
- RepugsOut08 I'm a Fan of RepugsOut08 106 fans permalink

Tax cuts are all the Repubs know. Education schmeducation! We want our tax cuts! To hell with everyone else!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 02/07/2009
- nana4g I'm a Fan of nana4g 105 fans permalink

Missing from this update is the tale of McCain and Graham and their "speeches" on the floor of the Senate in opposition to any consideration of this Stimulus Bill. It was reminiscent of the campaign trail and the old, angry, stubborn man and the whiney, vapid, impotent sidekick who trails along for nothing but morale support. They railed at lack of bipartisanship; they criticized the President, with Graham speaking directly to the President chastising him for his speech last night (which I loved), they shouted, waved their arms, and just threw tantrums. This following eloquent, professional presentations from Senators Nelson, Collins, Spector, and a rather lame, silly one from Lieberman.

I guess they then left and went home because they did not vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 02/07/2009
- RepugsOut08 I'm a Fan of RepugsOut08 106 fans permalink

That too many Americans STILL listen to these failures and architects of our nation's doom, is frightening and sad. If John McCain is a patriot, then I'm Santa Claus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 AM on 02/07/2009
- iblog I'm a Fan of iblog 23 fans permalink

~~ rejoiceinit See Profile I'm a Fan of rejoiceinit I'm a fan of this user permalink

Isn't this pretty much the same size as the original stimulus package that then Pres. Elect Obama proposed? WTF was all the haggling over? ~~

That's my question. What's all this propaganda on the cost numbers?

The House passed the bill at $819 billion and it has been temporarily reduced to $780 billion. That's an approx. reduction of only 39billion.

You would think the Republicans birthed an elephant with all the noise they've made about a victory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 02/07/2009

What sense does it make to cut education and employment benefits? Barack has disappointed me..again. The bill needs to be at least a trillion, cutting it down to 780 billion is a joke. I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I think he just doomed his presidency­...He let the Republicans play him, he is letting Larry Sumners have too much influence, when he should be listening to Paul Volker.

Obama one term president :(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 02/06/2009
- njb444 I'm a Fan of njb444 10 fans permalink
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Relax, it's only been two weeks into his presidency, I think the committee will reduce the tax cuts. Plus, Obama has gone into attack mode in the last couple days, so I think that shows he has a limit and I still have hope that he'll get plenty done. No need for pessimism. ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 02/06/2009
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President Obama did NOT let us down, the ones who let us down include:
Senator Susan Collins, R-Maine
Senator Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska
... and everybody else who did not compare the multiplier of tax cuts (1.02) to that of infrastructure spending (1.58) and food stamps (1.73), and vote against tax cuts and for intelligent spending.

Southern Republicans hate America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 AM on 02/07/2009
- iblog I'm a Fan of iblog 23 fans permalink

Ok...

Go get your Ditto Buck from Rush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 AM on 02/07/2009
- nana4g I'm a Fan of nana4g 105 fans permalink

Don't say that. There will be other vehicles to appropriate this kind of funding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 02/07/2009
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