ISRAELI ELECTION RESULTS: Both Livni, Netanyahu Declare Victory

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***UPDATE Feb 11 12:05AM*** AP reports:

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and hard-line rival Benjamin Netanyahu both claimed victory Tuesday in Israel's parliamentary election, but official results showed a race so close it could be decided by a third candidate -- a rising power among the hawks.


Right-wing parties -- including Netanyahu's Likud Party -- appear to have won a clear majority of 65 seats in the 120-seat parliament, which would give Netanyahu the upper hand in forming the next government.

However, with 99 percent of the votes counted, Livni's centrist Kadima Party had 28 seats, while Likud had 27. Those results could change by a seat or two -- enough to alter the outcome -- when soldiers' votes are tallied Thursday evening.

The winner of the election wasn't clear in part because Livni could try to form a coalition with hawkish parties. It appeared ultranationalist Avigdor Lieberman, who based his campaign on denying citizenship to Israeli Arabs he considers disloyal, could single-handedly determine the country's next leader with his decision of whom to join.

He declared after the vote that he spoken to both Livni and Netanyahu and told them he could be persuaded to join either one, but he added that he wanted a "nationalist right-wing government."

***UPDATE 8:05PM*** With the race now too close to call, both Livni and Netanyahu have declared victory.

From AP:

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and hard-line rival Benjamin Netanyahu both claimed victory in Israel's parliamentary election Tuesday, which early returns suggested was too close to call. With 67 percent of the votes counted, Livni's centrist Kadima Party had 29 seats in the 120-seat parliament while Netanyahu's hawkish Likud Party was right behind with 28, Israel's Channel 1 television said.

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However, soldiers' votes on bases across the country weren't being tallied until Thursday evening, which could shift the results by a seat or two.

Regardless of who gets the most votes, Netanyahu's Likud Party appeared to have the upper hand in forming a ruling coalition thanks to strong showing by other right-wing parties.

"With God's help, I will lead the next government," Netanyahu told a raucous crowd of cheering supporters chanting his nickname, Bibi, early Wednesday. "The national camp, led by the Likud, has won a clear advantage."

Soon after, Livni took the stage before a crowd of flag-waving supporters and flashed a V-for victory sign. "Today the people chose Kadima. ... We will form the next government led by Kadima," she declared.

Exit polls had earlier showed Livni with a slight lead, but strong gains by right-wing parties overall would make it difficult, and perhaps impossible, for her to form a government.

Even if Livni could overcome the formidable obstacles and become Israel's second female prime minister after Golda Meir, the early results suggested she would have to rely on the participation of right-wing parties opposed to her vision of giving up land in exchange for a peace deal with the Palestinians.

Despite the uncertainties, both sides claimed victory.

Applause, cheers and whistling erupted at Kadima headquarters in Tel Aviv as television stations began reporting their exit polls, with supporters jumping up and down and giving each other high-fives and hugs. At Likud headquarters, Netanyahu supporters expressed confidence their man would still become Israel's leader.

Israeli exit polls have not always been reliable, especially when the vote is close, but the projected results marked a dramatic slide for Netanyahu, who had held a solid lead in opinion polls heading into the election.

The projections showed hard-line parties winning as many as 66 seats in the 120-member parliament, while liberal parties captured just 54 seats. Preliminary results were expected early Wednesday.

Israelis vote for parties, not individuals. Since no party won a parliamentary majority, the leader of one of the major parties must try to put together a coalition with other factions -- a process that can take up to six weeks.

In coming days, President Shimon Peres will ask the leader who he believes is most capable of forming a coalition to try to put together a government.

If he chooses Livni, she would have to reach out to hard-liners. The elections were called after she failed to put together a ruling coalition when scandal-plagued Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announced he was stepping down last fall.

Alternatively, Peres could turn to Netanyahu, who appeared to be in a better position to put together a majority.

Netanyahu, who opposes giving up territory to make room for a Palestinian state, could find himself on a collision course with President Barack Obama, who is promising an aggressive push for Mideast peace. Netanyahu says he would allow West Bank settlements to expand and is seen as likely to contemplate military action against Iran -- positions that would likely put him at odds with Obama.

A strong showing by ultranationalist candidate Avigdor Lieberman appeared to have taken a sizable chunk of votes that would have otherwise gone to Netanyahu.

The exit polls put Lieberman's Yisrael Beitenu Party in third place behind Kadima and Likud -- and ahead of Labor, the party that ruled Israel for decades. That gives Lieberman, who based his campaign on denying citizenship to Israeli Arabs he considers disloyal, a key role in coalition building. Livni would almost certainly not be able to form a government without his support.

Lieberman said his party's strong showing means he holds the key to forming the new Israeli government. He said he had spoken to both Livni and Netanyahui and told them he could be persuaded to join either one of them.

"It is up to Lieberman who will form the next coalition," said Menachem Hofnung, a professor of political science at Hebrew University. "Lieberman has emerged as the kingmaker. He is the winner of these elections and it depends on who he sides with over the next few weeks as to who will be prime minister."

Netanyahu, who was prime minister a decade ago, portrayed himself as the candidate best equipped to deal with the threats Israel faces -- Hamas militants in Gaza, Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon and behind them an Iranian regime that Israel believes is developing nuclear weapons.

He has derided the outgoing government's peace talks as a waste of time, and said relations with the Palestinians should be limited to developing their battered economy.

Livni, who has led Israel's peace talks the past year, has pledged to continue the negotiations with the moderate Palestinian government in the West Bank. At the same time, she advocates a tough line against the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip, and was one of the architects against a bruising Israeli military offensive in Gaza last month.

At Likud headquarters, activists dismissed Kadima's edge and predicted Netanyahu would be tapped to form the next government.

"I am certain that Netanyahu will be the next prime minister," said Likud lawmaker Gilad Erdan. "Netanyahu has a clear advantage because the right wing parties have a larger bloc. The test is not which party gets the most votes, but which candidate has the best chance to form a coalition, and that person is Benjamin Netanyahu."

Israel's three main TV stations released exit polls as voting ended at 10 p.m. Tuesday.

Channel One and Channel 10 each gave 30 of 120 parliament seats to Kadima and 28 seats to Netanyahu. Channel Two gave 29 seats to Kadima and 27 to Likud.

Kadima lawmaker Haim Ramon predicted the party would lead the next government.

"We are the only party that can approach both the right wing and the left," he told Channel 2 TV. But he acknowledged the results would make it difficult for anyone to govern.

Israel's Palestinian peace partners in the West Bank said the next Israeli government would have to stop building in the West Bank before talks could resume.

"We now have clear conditions for whoever heads the Israeli government," said Rafiq Husseini, a senior aide to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. "The conditions for negotiations to resume begin with the immediate halt of settlement activities."

Peace talks have not included the Gaza Strip's Hamas rulers, who do not recognize Israel's right to exist and recently were the target of a devastating Israeli military offensive.

In Gaza, Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum said the election results don't make a difference in the lives of Palestinians because Israel "is still working to eliminate the Palestinian existence.

"Anyone who thinks that new faces might bring change is mistaken," Barhoum said, before the exit polls were released.


UPDATE: 3 pm:

In a surprise turn of events, exit polls show the centrist Kadima party as the leader of Israel's general election, reports Haaertz. However, supporters of both Kadima and Likud parties claimed victory.

Exit polls by Israel's three main television stations on Tuesday night showed Kadima as the leader in the 2009 general elections, with Likud coming a narrow second.


Channel 1, Channel 2 and Channel 10 polling of voters as they left the ballot box all showed victory for Kadima, headed by Tzipi Livni.

However, despite Kadima's lead in the polls, Livni might not be able to form a coalition government, Haaertz also reports.

If the exit polls are correct, the right-wing bloc, led by Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu, will comprise 63-64 seats, while the center-left bloc, headed by Livni, will take 56-57 seats. This means that a win in the polls does not necessarily mean that the next government will have a center-left bent.

Israeli President Shimon Peres will ask the leader he deems most capable of forming a government to put together a coalition, reports the Jerusalem Post.

Once the final results of the election are known, President Shimon Peres will begin a round of consultations with party leaders, to hear who they are recommending for prime minister. In the past, the task of forming a coalition has been given to the head of the largest party.


But election legislation gives Peres wide leeway, and he can grant the first opportunity to the party leader who he judges has the best chance in forming a government, even if that party did not earn the most mandates in the election.

After the polls closed, supporters of both Livni and Netanyahu claimed victory, the AP reports.

From the AP:

JERUSALEM - Exit polls showed moderate Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni edging out hard-line rival Benjamin Netanyahu in parliamentary elections Tuesday -- but strong gains by right-wing parties will make it difficult, and perhaps impossible, for her to form a government.

Both Livni's Kadima Party and Netanyahu's Likud Party claimed they would lead the next government.

Even if Livni could overcome the formidable obstacles and become Israel's second female prime minister after Golda Meir, the exit polls suggest she would have to rely on the participation of right-wing parties opposed to her vision of giving up land in exchange for a peace deal with the Palestinians.

Despite the uncertainties, both sides claimed victory.

Applause, cheers and whistling erupted at Kadima headquarters in Tel Aviv as television stations began reporting their exit polls, with supporters jumping up and down and giving each other high-fives and hugs.

At Likud headquarters, Netanyahu supporters expressed confidence their man would still become Israel's leader, though the mood in the room was clearly one of disappointment.

Israeli exit polls have not always been reliable, especially when the vote is close, but the projected results marked a dramatic slide for Netanyahu, who had held a solid lead in opinion polls heading into the election.

The projections showed hard-line parties winning as many as 66 seats in the 120-member parliament, while liberal parties captured just 54 seats. Preliminary results were expected early Wednesday.

Israelis vote for parties, not individuals. Since no party won a parliamentary majority, the leader of one of the major parties must try to put together a coalition with other factions -- a process that can take up to six weeks.

In coming days, President Shimon Peres will ask the leader who he believes is most capable of forming a coalition to try to put together a government.

If he chooses Livni, she would have to reach out to hard-liners. The elections were called after she failed to put together a ruling coalition when scandal-plagued Prime Minister Ehud Olmert announced he was stepping down last fall.

Alternatively, Peres could turn to Netanyahu, who appeared to be in a better position to put together a majority.

Netanyahu, who opposes giving up territory to make room for a Palestinian state, could find himself on a collision course with President Barack Obama, who is promising an aggressive push for Mideast peace. Netanyahu says he would allow West Bank settlements to expand and is seen as likely to contemplate military action against Iran -- positions that would likely put him at odds with Obama.

If Livni's projected victory holds, it is likely due to a strong showing by ultranationalist candidate Avigdor Lieberman, who appears to have taken a sizable chunk of votes that would have otherwise gone to Netanyahu.

The exit polls put Lieberman's Yisrael Beitenu Party in third place behind Kadima and Likud -- and ahead of Labor, the party that ruled Israel for decades. That gives Lieberman, who based his campaign on denying citizenship to Israeli Arabs he considers disloyal, a key role in coalition building. Livni would almost certainly not be able to form a government without his support.

Lieberman said his party's strong showing means he holds the key to forming the new Israeli government. He said he had spoken to both Livni and Netanyahui and told them he could be persuaded to join either one of them.

"It is up to Lieberman who will form the next coalition," said Menachem Hofnung, a professor of political science at Hebrew University. "Lieberman has emerged as the kingmaker. He is the winner of these elections and it depends on who he sides with over the next few weeks as to who will be prime minister."

Netanyahu, who was prime minister a decade ago, portrayed himself as the candidate best equipped to deal with the threats Israel faces -- Hamas militants in Gaza, Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon and behind them an Iranian regime that Israel believes is developing nuclear weapons.

He has derided the outgoing government's peace talks as a waste of time, and said relations with the Palestinians should be limited to developing their battered economy.

Livni, who has led Israel's peace talks the past year, has pledged to continue the negotiations with the moderate Palestinian government in the West Bank. At the same time, she advocates a tough line against the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip, and was one of the architects against a bruising Israeli military offensive in Gaza last month.

At Likud headquarters, activists dismissed Kadima's edge and predicted Netanyahu would be tapped to form the next government.

"I am certain that Netanyahu will be the next prime minister," said Likud lawmaker Gilad Erdan. "Netanyahu has a clear advantage because the right wing parties have a larger bloc. The test is not which party gets the most votes, but which candidate has the best chance to form a coalition, and that person is Benjamin Netanyahu."

Israel's three main TV stations released exit polls as voting ended at 10 p.m. Tuesday.

Channel One and Channel 10 each gave 30 of 120 parliament seats to Kadima and 28 seats to Netanyahu. Channel Two gave 29 seats to Kadima and 27 to Likud.

Kadima lawmaker Haim Ramon predicted the party would lead the next government.

"We are the only party that can approach both the right wing and the left," he told Channel 2 TV. But he acknowledged the results would make it difficult for anyone to govern.

Israel's Palestinian peace partners in the West Bank said the next Israeli government would have to stop building in the West Bank before talks could resume.

"We now have clear conditions for whoever heads the Israeli government," said Rafiq Husseini, a senior aide to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. "The conditions for negotiations to resume begin with the immediate halt of settlement activities."

Peace talks have not included the Gaza Strip's Hamas rulers, who do not recognize Israel's right to exist and recently were the target of a devastating Israeli military offensive.

In Gaza, Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum said the election results don't make a difference in the lives of Palestinians because Israel "is still working to eliminate the Palestinian existence.

"Anyone who thinks that new faces might bring change is mistaken," Barhoum said, before the exit polls were released.

***UPDATE Feb 11 12:05AM*** AP reports: Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and hard-line rival Benjamin Netanyahu both claimed victory Tuesday in Israel's parliamentary election, but official results showed...
***UPDATE Feb 11 12:05AM*** AP reports: Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and hard-line rival Benjamin Netanyahu both claimed victory Tuesday in Israel's parliamentary election, but official results showed...
 
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Chaos4700 posted ;"The Arabs are giving up on the Palestinians? Really?"

Yes.. Really.
Arab Times direct quote:
"Forgetting the interests of their own countries the Hamas Movement and Hezbollah have gone to the extent of representing the interests of Iran and Syrian in their countries. These organizations have become the representatives of Syria and Iran without worrying about the consequences of their action.

.Unfortunately we must admit that in such a war the only way to get rid of “these irregular phenomena” is what Israel is doing. The operations of Israel in Gaza and Lebanon are in the interest of people of Arab countries and the international community."

By Ahmed Al-Jarallah Editor-in-Chief, the Arab Times, Kuwait

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 02/11/2009
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This will not get you off the hook. One prejudicial statement by one journalist, when we all know that the wide, overwhelming majority have condemned I s r a el's actions, and even many J ews around the world.

You however always bring to the discussion statements and or historical trivia to sway the discussion away from the cr i mes that Isra el is committing against the Pa lest inians. We don't give a d a mn about history!!!

We only care that what I s r a el is doing today is wrong!!! We want to see a two-state solution andIs r a el obviously doesn't and it it takes withholding funding and military aid, and imposing boycotts and sanctions -- then I will say hallelujah and praise the Lord, because justice will finally be served!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 02/12/2009

I know exactly what you mean, we give foreign aid to Egypt too and when they get a little out of line we don't hesitate to bring up cutting the funds, but when Israel commits far more egregious offenses we just affirm our support of their "right to defend themselves." I'm not sure that a two state solution is even the best route to go in the region, but it is really hard to defend that assumption because Israel never even gives it a chance.

Peace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 02/12/2009

Sample of how Israel Arabs voted:
Likud;3%;
Kadima-6%;
Labor-9%
Shaz 2%;
Meretz-2%;
Hadash-24%;
United Arab--26%;
Balad-22%.;
Green Party-0%

For those much given to crude and simplistic understanding of Israeli citizens--pay attention.
3% of small town Arabs voted for Likud!!!
2% of Arabs voted for conservative Jewish Shas party!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 02/11/2009
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Do you have a link, perchance?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 02/11/2009
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IF it's true that Arabs voted for Shas, it's because they trust Jews from Arab countries more. Remember that Shas represents not just "conservative" Jews but Jews from all over the Middle East. Their spiritual leader is an Iraqi-born Jew.

If Sephardic and Mizrachic Jews could get into the prime ministry, it would be a major step toward peace, because these Jews know how to talk to the Arab world. They're basically Arabs themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 02/11/2009

Interesting point, Aemath.
Again, I brought this to illustrate how complex issues are in Israel.

It is conceivable that Jewish Yemen refugees would vote for an Arab Party out of nostagia or conservativsm
Also possible that some Arab Israelis voted for the Likud because of distrust of Arabs in matters of prosperity and economic development. Or fear that if Palestinian state is established they'd have to give up their Israeli,citizenship.

Occam's Razor doesn't apply to Middle Eastern politics :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 02/11/2009
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Those 2% Arabs you mention voted for Sh as are DRUZE and you fail to make the distinction between Druze and A r ab! And others probably voted for Li kud and Kad i ma.

"Druze citizens are prominent in the Is ra el Defense Forces and in politics."

A true Arab would never join the I D F!

Stop deceiving everyone!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 02/12/2009
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...and christian arabs. Like I said you are not distinguishing between Muslim and A r a b which can even include J e w ish Arabs!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 02/12/2009

Skialethia, you accuse someone of using an Arab Journalist to make a point but you used haaretz to make your point.. what gives.

I noticed you get really riled up when someone gets too close to the truth.
I know why. You cant handle the truth, Its not your department.
Your Job is to repeat mantras, find iffy links, and stir up the crowd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 02/12/2009
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"Unlike most other Arab citizens of Israel, right-wing Israeli political parties have appealed to many Druze. Ayoob Kara, for example, represented the conservative Likud in the Knesset, and other parties such as Shas and Yisrael Beiteinu have likewise attracted Druze voters.[citation needed] Currently, a Druze MK, Majalli Wahabi of the centrist Kadima, as Deputy Speaker of the Knesset, is next in line to the acting presidency." Wikipedia

Like I stated earlier: STOP deceiving!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 02/12/2009
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Looks like a unity government. Yawn.

New prediction: They'll leave out Liberman

Prime Minister and Foreign Minister: Livni
Finance Minister: Bibi
Defense Minister: Barak

They'll fill the rest of their mandates with UTJ and maybe Meretz or Shas, the latter of which Tzipi have to make some serious t'shuva to convince.

I can't see Peres appointing Netanyahu to form a gov't when he lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 02/11/2009
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Oh, Bibi will demand the last two years of the term as prime minister himself. Livni will keep the Foreign Ministry, if the gov't lasts that long.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 02/11/2009

Update
Likud 22%;
Kadima-23%
Labor 10;
Ysrael beitanu 12;
Shaz 8%;
UTJ-4;
National Union-3;
Hadash-4;
United Arab-4;
Balad-3

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 02/11/2009
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All we are saying, is give peace a chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 02/11/2009

Are you also saying to this to Palestinains, Iranians, Syrians, Saudis etc?
Just checking,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 02/11/2009
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Obviously!!! There is no such thing as a unilateral peace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 02/11/2009
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Do they really still need to be lectured about it?
http://www.al-bab.com/arab/docs/league/peace02.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 02/11/2009
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I think we are looking at how for so many years I S R A EL has been the obstructionist!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 02/12/2009
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Stop all aid to Israel.

Develop a truly balanced foreign policy in the Middle East.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 02/11/2009
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Do you realize about the same amount of US aid goes to Egypt as to Israel? And if you compare US aid to Arabs versus Israel it is no comparison, the ARabs get a lot more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 02/11/2009

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. I love that these Israeli apologists are bringing this up because it is so demonstrably false. I encourage everyone who sees someone parrot this B.S. line to immediately call them out on it and use the following numbers. I'll even provide the links from the U.S. Budget.

First, our "supposed," reasons for giving so much aid to the Israeli's and the Egyptians for that matter goes back to the Israel-Egypt peace treaty, after Jimmy Carter's Camp David Accords, in 1979; when, as partial compensation for the redeployment of the troops and rebuilding of airbases (read bribe) both sides were given US aid in excess of one billion dollars. However, looking at how the numbers have actually fleshed out one can hardly say the same amount goes to each. From 1948 on Israel has received a total of just over 101 billion dollars from the US, with just under 65 billion exclusively for the Israeli Military http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.htmll)
Egypt, by comparison, has recieved just under 64 billion in that same time frame, with just over 34 billion going to the Egyptian Military http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/egyptaid.htmll). Hardly sounds the same to me, unless maybe you only count the MILITARY AID to Israel as compared to the TOTAL AID to Egypt.

Peace

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 02/11/2009

Balanced? Then no aid to Palestinains from Arabs and the West.
Then it would be balanced.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 02/11/2009
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Not quite. The Palestinians have been oppressed for 60 years. Once the oppression is over, please let that happen in my lifetime, it would take some time to be on equal footing as Israel, and I am not talking about militarily. Its kind of like a white man right after Lincoln freed the slaves saying now blacks and whites are balanced on equal footing. Not really, there needs to be some time and aid to get there. We still have affirmative action these days, although, I can see an argument why its not needed anymore. But don't tell me it was never needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 02/11/2009
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Good luck

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 02/11/2009
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Opportunity is where and when you decide to see it. Whoever forms the next Israeli government, it would truly be in the best interests of the Palestinians to renounce Hamas, renounce violence in their words and deeds and hearts (O wanna-be admirers of Gandhi, ready to back me up on that one?), and finally and openly acknowledge Israel's right to exist. Borders for a Palestinian state could then be negotiated, international aid and economic development of a free Palestine could begin, and a peaceful Israel/Palestine federation of sorts could move forward for the betterment of all. The Palestinian refugees (and their descendents!), so shamefully penned up in festering camps by the Arab world for six decades, could then be resettled in the Palestinian state or given citizenship, jobs, homes and hope in the Arab world and beyond. An unrealistic vision? Only for the small of heart and the poor of vision. Time to drop the fantasy of Israel's demise and work for PEACE and the most realistic solution possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 02/11/2009

This is exactly what israeli offered to Arafat. No deal.

‘If you reject the proposals at Camp David, you are going to get Sharon instead of Barak. You’re never, ever going to get a better deal."
Saudi Prince Bandar to Arafat

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 02/11/2009
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Camp David offered a prison, not a state for Palestinians. If that is what you think a Palestinian state is, then be ready for a one state solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 02/11/2009
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And what I mean by a one state, is not an all Palestinian or all Jewish State. A Bi-national state. If you don't like that, then I suggest, stop promoting prisons as a state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 02/11/2009
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Some choice. The policy dispute might as well be characterized this way: not whether, but how many are an acceptable number to kill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 02/11/2009

"a nationalist right-wing government"

it doesn't get any easier to swallow when they come right out and say it, does it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 02/11/2009
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Sounds kinda sick and dangerous...Israel is going off the deep end

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 02/11/2009
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Will either of them make a difference?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 AM on 02/11/2009
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Pres. Obama has asked three Republicans to join him on his cabinet. They are not expected to mimic him, only to work with him in service to the nation.

Is there any chance that the new Israeli government will include several Palestinians (non-Jews)?
Imagine, if the Jews and Non-Jews were forced to work together. Might they learn to treat each other with respect?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 AM on 02/11/2009
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NO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 02/11/2009
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Mamacat. That is a wonderful thought. Unfortunately, the answer is clearly no. This would be politically completely impossible in israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 02/11/2009

Perhaps if the far right in Israel wins it will speed up history and burn itself out in a backlash, as it sort of did in the United States. Hard to see any good outcomes in the immediate future for anyone in the region though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 02/11/2009
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So you think that the far right will do so much damage as Bush did here, that the country will revolt in 8 years and choose an unlikely politician. What would need to happen in Israel for that to happen. I can't see it getting worse then it is now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 02/11/2009
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In the U.S., soldiers tend to vote Republican, although not monolithically (I think Obama got 45% of the military vote, better than most recent Democrats...)
My questions: Do Israeli soldiers tend to vote Likud? Or are they more diverse politically because of the draft?

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That may be moot. Netanyahu and Lieberman may cut a deal with Shas and other religious parties that leaves Livni out in the cold: they can put together a coalition without Kadima that gets them well past 61 votes.

Livni may end up with the most votes and completely out of the ruling coalition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 AM on 02/11/2009
- almazza98 I'm a Fan of almazza98 15 fans permalink

would that be possible. Kadima won, yet won't be represented. If thats the case, Israel has a screwed up system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 02/11/2009

" he added that he wanted a "nationalist right-wing government." "

Unbelievable. One would expect a Jewish person to think twice before uttering such words.

This is all hell breaking loose. I have to get out of here ! : )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 02/11/2009
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Da mn! There goes my irony meter again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 02/11/2009
- LAThinker I'm a Fan of LAThinker 17 fans permalink

I have to agree with this one. I would not want this character to play any role in the government.
One thing is strong response to an aggression, another is being xenophobic nationalist. It is not in Jewish character (at least in majority of Jews)
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 02/11/2009
- cornflower I'm a Fan of cornflower 6 fans permalink

Can we just disengage from Israel? Is that not possible? 'Cause that is what I would vote for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 AM on 02/11/2009

The U.S should stop giving money to Israel. That will bring some hefty changes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 02/11/2009
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