Satellites Collide 500 Miles Over Siberia (VIDEO)

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AP, Russia Today   |  MARCIA DUNN   |   February 11, 2009 09:08 PM

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CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. — Two big communications satellites collided in the first-ever crash of its kind in orbit, shooting out a pair of massive debris clouds and posing a slight risk to the international space station. NASA said it will take weeks to determine the full magnitude of the crash, which occurred nearly 500 miles over Siberia on Tuesday.

"We knew this was going to happen eventually," said Mark Matney, an orbital debris scientist at Johnson Space Center in Houston.

NASA believes any risk to the space station and its three astronauts is low. It orbits about 270 miles below the collision course. There also should be no danger to the space shuttle set to launch with seven astronauts on Feb. 22, officials said, but that will be re-evaluated in the coming days.

The collision involved an Iridium commercial satellite, which was launched in 1997, and a Russian satellite launched in 1993 and believed to be nonfunctioning. The Russian satellite was out of control, Matney said.

The Iridium craft weighed 1,235 pounds, and the Russian craft nearly a ton.

No one has any idea yet how many pieces were generated or how big they might be.

"Right now, they're definitely counting dozens," Matney said. "I would suspect that they'll be counting hundreds when the counting is done."

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As for pieces the size of micrometers, the count will likely be in the thousands, he added.

This was the first high-speed impact between two intact spacecraft, NASA officials said.

There have been four other cases in which space objects have collided accidentally in orbit, NASA said. But those were considered minor and involved parts of spent rockets or small satellites.

Nicholas Johnson, an orbital debris expert at the Houston space center, said the risk of damage from Tuesday's collision is greater for the Hubble Space Telescope and Earth-observing satellites, which are in higher orbit and nearer the debris field.

At the beginning of this year there were roughly 17,000 pieces of manmade debris orbiting Earth, Johnson said. The items, at least 4 inches in size, are being tracked by the U.S. Space Surveillance Network, which is operated by the military. The network detected the two debris clouds created Tuesday.

Litter in orbit has increased in recent years, in part because of the deliberate breakups of old satellites. It's gotten so bad that orbital debris is now the biggest threat to a space shuttle in flight, surpassing the dangers of liftoff and return to Earth. NASA is in regular touch with the Space Surveillance Network, to keep the space station a safe distance from any encroaching objects, and shuttles, too, when they're flying.

"The collisions are going to be becoming more and more important in the coming decades," Matney said.

Iridium Holdings LLC has a system of 65 active satellites that relay calls from portable phones that are about twice the size of a regular mobile phone. It has more than 300,000 subscribers. The U.S. Department of Defense is one of its largest customers.

The company said the loss of the satellite was causing brief, occasional outages in its service and that it expected to have the problem fixed by Friday.

Iridium also said it expected to replace the lost satellite with one of its eight in-orbit spares within 30 days.

"The Iridium constellation is healthy, and this event is not the result of a failure on the part of Iridium or its technology," the company said in a statement.

Initially launched by Motorola Inc. in the 1990s, Iridium plunged into bankruptcy in 1999. Private investors relaunched service in 2001.

Iridium satellites are unusual because their orbit is so low and they move so fast. Most communications satellites are in much higher orbits and don't move relative to each other, which means collisions are rare.

Iridium Holdings LLC, is owned by New York-based investment firm Greenhill & Co. through a subsidiary, GHL Acquisition Corp., which is listed on the American Stock Exchange. The shares closed Wednesday down 3 cents at $9.28.

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AP science writer Seth Borenstein in Washington and AP technology writer Peter Svensson in New York contributed to this report.

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CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. — Two big communications satellites collided in the first-ever crash of its kind in orbit, shooting out a pair of massive debris clouds and posing a slight risk to the inter...
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- petphotos I'm a Fan of petphotos 4 fans permalink
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OOPS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 02/12/2009

my first thought is this is not an accident

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 02/12/2009
- toadicux I'm a Fan of toadicux 2 fans permalink

Weird, me too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 02/12/2009
- Mort I'm a Fan of Mort 38 fans permalink
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My first thought was I wonder how many will claim it wasn't an accident.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 02/12/2009
- bubbuh I'm a Fan of bubbuh 134 fans permalink
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Weird, me too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 02/12/2009
- MalloMel I'm a Fan of MalloMel 95 fans permalink
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If I had to, I'd put my money on it not being an accident, but then, I could be wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 02/12/2009
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I remember when SkyLab came back to earth. I stuck a wire clothes hanger in the top of a hard hat. On the side of the helmet I wrote "SkyLab Early Warning Helmet"

Yes, I was a weird kid. :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 02/12/2009
- MalloMel I'm a Fan of MalloMel 95 fans permalink
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Yes, you were :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 02/12/2009
- Mort I'm a Fan of Mort 38 fans permalink
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Pay no attention to the junk hurling itself toward you at a thousand miles an hour, Mr. Astronaut. It's nothing to worry about. Besides, space is so vast the chances of anything colliding are astronomical!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 02/12/2009
- newshawk14 I'm a Fan of newshawk14 8 fans permalink

I suspect this was simply an accident, but someday we'll probably have to create the equivalent of
"The Red Dwarf", to collect all the garbage that we've put up in space.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 02/12/2009
- MalloMel I'm a Fan of MalloMel 95 fans permalink
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We just trash everything. We've done a good job of trashing the earth, and now we're trashing outer space.

Eventually, something is going to trash us, and we're going to wonder, "What the h3ll happened?" Well... it's called, "Karma."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 AM on 02/12/2009
- hidflect I'm a Fan of hidflect 7 fans permalink
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I remember hearing about a fleck of paint hitting the shuttle's front window. It left a crater in the glass an inch deep. Debis scatter can create a knock on effect like a nuclear fission model rendering low earth orbit un-navigable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 02/12/2009
- Gib I'm a Fan of Gib 28 fans permalink

I wonder how long it will be until it reaches that state. It seems virtually inevitable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 02/12/2009
- DCinFrance I'm a Fan of DCinFrance 34 fans permalink
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How wonderful. We not only pollute and otherwise litter the planet we are on, but the space around it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 02/12/2009
- andhakari I'm a Fan of andhakari 7 fans permalink

Ultimately, it might seem that's what we do best. And last, perhaps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 02/12/2009
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Eh, it'll fall back down in a few years or decades. And it's not like it hurts space fish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 02/12/2009
- Mort I'm a Fan of Mort 38 fans permalink
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Wouldn't those be space kittens?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 02/12/2009
- MalloMel I'm a Fan of MalloMel 95 fans permalink
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Depends on how high it is. It could be centuries or more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 02/12/2009
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It must be a human nature thing to trash up everything. Why is mankind so destructive??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 AM on 02/12/2009
- shastaman I'm a Fan of shastaman 4 fans permalink

More good news for all of humanity!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 02/11/2009

Here is the REAL DEAL. While this was an old communications satellite it was also used by the U.S. Military. Two objects in space colliding in orbit is like two bullets hitting each other, the odds are tremendous. The fact that they destroyed each other over Siberia ( i.e. Soviet Territory ) would make a judicious man consider other options. Is it possible that the Soviets were sending a message. We can take your spy satellite down if they fly over our territory.­..........­and we have had this capability for some time. Don't play us cheap. TO BE CONTINUED!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 02/11/2009

Bad news dude, Siberia isn't "soviet" territory. There are no soviets. Did you fall asleep in 1989 and wake up today?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 02/12/2009
- DCinFrance I'm a Fan of DCinFrance 34 fans permalink
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The Soviets have accomplished what only the devil himself has...conv­inced the world that he doesn't exist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 02/12/2009

More bad news: the Iridium system is completely commercial, there is no military component, whatsoever. It was one of the biggest flops of the (pre) dot com era. Motorola almost went out of business over it.

I made a few phone calls on those suckers myself. They are a piece of crap, close to useless. The Iridium flashes are very pretty, though. You should go and see one or two before these things are gone.

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 02/12/2009
- MalloMel I'm a Fan of MalloMel 95 fans permalink
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"More bad news: the Iridium system is completely commercial, there is no military component, whatsoever­."

How can you be so sure?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 02/12/2009
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The soviets were sending a message? What, is this a group of communist scientists who travelled in time to the future 20 years after their nation ceased to exist?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 02/12/2009
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It's difficult to ascertain, from anything we mere mortals would be allowed to know the truth about, whether or not the Iridium satellite was or was not performing any other function other than commercial­... With the DOD as one of its main subscribers, anything is possible.

In the late 80's, a satellite explosion on liftoff that was covered widely by all the major MSM, was advertised as the result of an 'malfunction' to us mere mortals. However, there was a dummy payload aboard that detonated to lend this effect. It did in fact launch a military satellite into orbit. The satellites existence has been long declassified, but the circumstances of its purported demise was revealed to me by someone who had an inside seat (working with GE in their Black Ops/Military division)

Anything is indeed plausible at this point regarding the demise of the satellites in question in this case. If it was a deliberate attempt at destroying a satellite of ours by another nation, commercial or otherwise, we'd surely not be tooting horns about it as it wouldn't look very good on the books.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 02/12/2009
- wingsabre I'm a Fan of wingsabre 3 fans permalink

Why the heck would the Russians collide one of their satellites with ours when they could have launched a missile? It would be a cheaper and easier option, than plotting a satellite into a collision course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 02/12/2009

You can't call a missile a mistake. Its like us bombing the Chinese embassy in the Balkins. Or the Israelis bombing the UN in Palestine. Ooops. My bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 02/12/2009
- toadicux I'm a Fan of toadicux 2 fans permalink

All near earth satellites have a very limited lifetime. The Russian one could have been near the end of its.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 02/12/2009

The answer is ... as always ... plausible deniability.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 02/12/2009
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Star wars scenarios just playing out in my head.

Old star wars, not new star wars.

Never mention Jar Jar Binks to me ever again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 02/11/2009
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Where's "Mega Maid" when you need her?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 02/11/2009
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In all seriousness, this is what happens when math, science and technology education suffers. As if we didn't need another reason to increase education funding, preventing this kind of thing means education funding should be high on the list!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 02/11/2009
- DCinFrance I'm a Fan of DCinFrance 34 fans permalink
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lol...huh? I'm not sure of the connection as it was a bunch of educated idiots that put this stuff in space in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 02/12/2009
- mairs I'm a Fan of mairs 226 fans permalink
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So you're talking about Russian education then? The article stated that it was the Russian satellite that was out of control.

Or is it that more funding for education in the US will prevent Russian satellites from going out of control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 02/12/2009
- monty7 I'm a Fan of monty7 4 fans permalink

With the US on the verge of another star wars game which would threaten Russia, there's just a possibility that the Russians did it purposely. The Russians have lost supremacy and control over space so maybe they have decided that if they can't have it then the Americans aren't going to have it either. I expected that China would have done this sooner actually and it was speculated on before. All China needs to do is send up a truckload of gravel and explode it in the right orbit altitude and all bets are off for space weapons and everything else in space in the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 02/11/2009
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That dog won't hunt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 02/11/2009
- DCinFrance I'm a Fan of DCinFrance 34 fans permalink
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If either of them had, you and I would not be talking about this particular incident.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 02/12/2009

I think you grossly overestimate the degree to which the Russians feel threatened by us, especially in space. Russia has, after all, a fully operational space program, which we, you may have noticed, do not. The main problem the Russian space program has is money. Technologically, they are holding their own quite nicely. The noises Moscow keeps making about our perennial Star Wars boondoggle have a lot less to do with any potential threat it poses -- the new RT-2UTTH ballistic missiles considerably surpass any current or anticipated interception capability we could field at present -- than it does with the potential presence of American military forces on the ground close to their borders. And as far as events planetside are concerned, Russia has taken advantage of our self-destructive focus on games of desert empires to significantly extend their influence in the parts of the world that actually matter.

Underestimating Russia is a practice that many western powers have engaged in, almost invariably to their regret. Overconfidence may feel good, but it's a dangerous habit, and we rest on our rather moth-eaten laurels at our own hazard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 02/12/2009
- dutchman I'm a Fan of dutchman 383 fans permalink
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Yet another example of "the tragedy of the commons". No individual nation will be rewarded for cleaning up low to medium earth orbit, so they will all contribute to its "destruction" by polluting it with lethal (for satellites and humans alike) junk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 02/11/2009
- weatherwaxx I'm a Fan of weatherwaxx 259 fans permalink

With all the rubbish whizzing around up there, I'm amazed it hasn't happened sooner.

That's humans for you -- go on a trip and throw your junk everywhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 02/11/2009
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