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Keep The Filibuster, Say Dem Senators

First Posted: 03/14/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:05 PM ET

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It's been fourteen years since Democrats controlled both Congress and the White House. A few weeks after inauguration, some folks are out of patience with the limits on their power.

They want to abolish the filibuster, which has let Senate Republicans hold up legislation that a majority of Congress supports by threatening unending debate. It takes 60 votes to end a filibuster, and there are only 58 Democrats in the Senate.

Needing sixty votes in the Senate to move legislation forward is not only an anachronism, critics argue, but it gets in the way of progressive change. It creates sloppy centrist legislation at the whim of senators like Ben Nelson (D-NE) and Susan Collins (R-ME). The trimmed-down stimulus is their exhibit A.

But those progressive calls will have a hard time being heard on Capitol Hill. "I understand how they feel out there, because when I came I felt the same way," says Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA). Elected in 1992, she quickly introduced an amendment with Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) to abolish the filibuster. Democrats controlled both the White House and Congress, so she figured it was time to move the progressive agenda forward.

In the very next election, they were wiped out by the 1994 Republican Revolution. Boxer says she was glad her effort failed.

"I wish we could do it for now, but having gone through a time when we were in the deep, deep minority and Newt Gingrich was repealing every law over there, were it not for the filibuster, we would have lost everything. This country would not look the way it looks today," she says. "We would have lost every environmental law on the books. We would have lost every financial regulation on the books. We'd have lost every consumer protection on the books."

Liberal rage at the filibuster isn't new, says congressional historian Julian Zelizer. "From about the '40s to the '70s filibuster reform was a key issue to liberals," he says. "The filibuster was a symbol of Civil Rights opposition."

Before 1917, a single Senator could hold up legislation by filibustering. Sen. Robert La Follette, a progressive Republican from Wisconsin, and his allies took full advantage of those rules to block legislation to aid the British during World War I. President Woodrow Wilson urged the Senate to invoke cloture; a rule was made that by a vote of two-thirds, the Senate could cut off debate and move to passage.

Liberals wanted to go further. The NAACP and other civil rights organizations made filibuster reform one of their top three priorities, along with passing an anti-lynching law and reforming committee structures to reduce the power of Old Bull chairmen who stood in the way.

"When I first came here it was 67, so it's been reduced once already and that took a long time," says Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), who favors keeping the number at 60. In 1975, Democrats successfully reduced the number needed to end a filibuster from two-thirds.

What had once been used only in extreme circumstances became a part of standard Senate practice. Democrats charge that the GOP made excessive use of the filibuster last session, but Zelizer says it's been common practice to need 60 votes to move anything since the late '70s.

"Before 1975 the filibuster was reserved for pretty dramatic battles," says Zelizer. "After 1975, it becomes normalized. It becomes a regular part of partisan warfare."

Senators, with their six-year terms, are long-term thinkers and recognize they may one day end up in the minority again, which help explains why the majority party doesn't force the minority to actually carry out the filibusters by reading from the phone book or whatever else is available. "Both parties kind of like this system secretly," says Zelizer.

Judging from the reaction of Democrats spoken to for this article, the reluctance to squash the filibuster isn't all that secret. "It's something I really haven't thought about a lot," says Vermont's Bernie Sanders, one of the most liberal senators. And Nelson, who would lose some centrist leverage with the loss of the filibuster, said he hadn't reviewed proposals to eliminate the filibuster and so wouldn't comment.

With so many senators vested in the system, accomplishing the task would be difficult. "For one thing, I don't know that we can get rid of it right now," says Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), "so I'd be more in favor of seeing what [parliamentary] things we can do to move legislation more quickly."

For Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO), it would look like a brazen power grab. "That's a really bad idea. That's a really bad idea," she says. "Because what would it look like to the American people that we're in charge in the House, the Senate and the White House for the first time in a significant period of time and immediately want to start changing the rules?"

Boxer says she has a better plan. "What we have to do is get 60 Democrats," she says.

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It's been fourteen years since Democrats controlled both Congress and the White House. A few weeks after inauguration, some folks are out of patience with the limits on their power. They want to ab...
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
WorkingClass
08:58 AM on 02/12/2009
End the filibuster. Then laugh at the Republicans if they so much as open their mouth.
07:14 AM on 02/12/2009
Break the filibuster at 55. Vote for this.
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cwlodarczyk
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12:20 AM on 02/12/2009
One more vote here for keeping the filibuster. I consider it to be a very important tool that allows all views to be heard.

What I have a problem with is the procedural filibuster. If someone has something to say then they should be able stand up and say it, but this practice of simply waving down the vote has got to go.
11:53 PM on 02/11/2009
Keeping the fillibuster is OK. But it should not be 60 votes required, but three fifths of the number of senators present.

That way if the senators want to fillibuster, they have to be all present to vote.
11:11 PM on 02/11/2009
Senate Dems like the above should be able to remember back to Feb. 2005, don't you think. Stop the BS Senators.

"Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist says he has the 51 votes needed to change Senate rules and make it easier for Republicans to overcome Democratic filibusters against President Bush's judicial nominees, but he hopes such a change won't be necessary.

"We need to restore the over 200-year tradition and precedent of allowing every nominee of the president who has majority support an up-or-down vote on the floor of the United States Senate,"

Sen. McCaskill, Rep. Sen. Bill Frist found a reason to change the rule, try harder.
10:56 PM on 02/11/2009
"For Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO), it would look like a brazen power grab. "That's a really bad idea. That's a really bad idea," she says. "Because what would it look like to the American people ... "

It would look like an election has determined a new direction for the nation. And it's public servants, you, are expected to carry them out.
10:45 PM on 02/11/2009
The filibuster is a senate Rule, not a law, or a constitutional right. The Republicans maneuvered around Democratic filibusters in the GW Bush years with Senate agreements and other Senate rules. There is a great deal of misinformation, some possibly deliberate, about the sanctity of the filibuster, and the necessity of 60 votes to pass legislation. The history of the filibuster is checkered with attempts to deny minorities equal rights, the exact opposite of what supporters claim it protects. Filibuster, 60 votes, nuclear option, all Senate rules, not virtues.
10:28 PM on 02/11/2009
Doesn't Joe look like an old clown? When is this worthless hack's term up for good?
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chronic
11:39 PM on 02/11/2009
2012...........VOTE HIM OUT!!
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06:35 PM on 02/11/2009
What you need to do is grow a pair...make them use it.Do it now,do it fast...put them down now or this is what we'll get for the next 2-4.Lets see how far they get telling the American public what we need is more tax cuts for the top 20%,,to the tune of 63 billion.
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1dogs2
07:39 AM on 02/12/2009
Agreed! How many of the 100 GOP threats to filibuster would have had to actually take place (as opposed to cloture votes) before the electorate rose up against such obstructionism?
06:27 PM on 02/11/2009
The more I hear from Claire, the more I like her.
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chronic
11:39 PM on 02/11/2009
Yes!



That is my gurl!!!!
05:39 PM on 02/11/2009
When the GOP tried the nuclear option (ridding themselves of the filibuster) I was appalled.
What were so-called "conservatives" doing trying to destroy a tradition that goes back to our Founding simply to grab power? Conservatism is supposed to be, by definition, "conserving" our institutions, not destroying them to amalgamate more power. That was when I knew most of the so-called Conservatives in our Senate were not conservatives at all; instead, they were RADICALS.

It does not surprise me, conversely, that progressives would want to tear this down. By definition, a progressive wants to move forward, without too many limitations from past generations.

Thankfully, for all of us, although the GOP (on paper the party of Conservatism) has almost entirely abandoned those principles, the Democratic Party is a big enough tent to conserve AND progress.

Balance is very helpful to good governance. It is unfortunate that too many GOP'ers have lost their conservatism in their quest for unvarnished power. Thank goodness the Democrats have stepped in to save the wisdom of our forefathers. Please don't try and talk them into destroying the filibuster for the sake of today-- remember that tomorrow, this destruction might not look so wonderous.
05:15 PM on 02/11/2009
thank god, that would be total insanity. Dems have to remember, it's the other side that takes liberties with the constitution and tries to change the makeup of our government, not us!!
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05:01 PM on 02/11/2009
Don't abolish the filibuster but force anyone who believes in it strongly enough to stand up on his or her feet and read the phone book for three days. Back room deals for 60 votes are no longer acceptable. Do not allow people like Shelby from Alabama to block needed legislation, legislation that is desired by the MAJORITY of Americans by simply threatening a filibuster. Make them earn it and show their stripes.
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hardlyhikin
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05:24 PM on 02/11/2009
I agree except for the part about reading the phone book...make filibusterers "stay on topic" and make ALL senators from both parties stay and listen - not conduct other business - my guess is most filibusters would end within 8 hours.
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06:20 PM on 02/11/2009
are you kidding? It would end within 30 minutes. Who in the heII would wan to listen to the ramblings of john mcshrub for an unspecified amount of time.
04:59 PM on 02/11/2009
What has been the use of the Greedy Old Perverts (GOP) in Congress since January 20, 2009 anyway? They could go play golf and still receive their lofty checks from our tax money, but at least they wouldn't be standing in the way of legislative progress and the reconstruction of America.
05:12 PM on 02/11/2009
Hey, crawl back to your four heinous paws back into your lair. Or clean that red stuff off of your mouth.
05:18 PM on 02/11/2009
huh? I think your first sentence was supposed to be an insult. But I can't be sure from the sentence structure. Or are you indicating that Deparis misplaced his/her heinous paws?
04:46 PM on 02/11/2009
Then show some courage and make the republicans actually carry through with the filibuster. It is their right to stand at the podium and talk for as long as they wish, but make them do it.
05:06 PM on 02/11/2009
And they should have to wear a hood and electrodes like that poor dude in Abu Ghraib prison, and every time they say "socialism" or "personal responsibility" they should get 220 volts.
05:17 PM on 02/11/2009
I totally agree, except, let's say one of them actually attempts it, that would probably be a big news story and Americans love the underdog, I'm pretty sure that might give them more attention or sympathy than we'd like.