The Big Winners In Stimulus Compromise: The Upper-Middle Class

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February 11, 2009 07:19 PM

When President Obama outlined on January 8 the rationale for the economic stimulus bill, "The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act," he clearly identified the men and women most in trouble:

Nearly two million jobs have now been lost, and on Friday we are likely to learn that we lost more jobs last year than at any time since World War II. Just in the past year, another 2.8 million Americans who want and need full-time work have had to settle for part-time jobs.

The House-Senate compromise, however, cuts funds for extended health care coverage for the unemployed; cuts $30 billion in aid to state governments to prevent reductions in social services to the poor and out-of-work; and also cuts a special "Making Work Pay" tax holiday from $500 to $400 for an individual, and from $1,000 to $800 for a couple, for low-to-middle-income workers still hanging on to their jobs

Amid all the cutting, however, one group emerged unscathed: the upper-middle class, the not-quite-super-rich, but certainly not on the ropes. Most of these folks, in terms of income and employment, are what could be called the un-needy, a group clearly distinct from those Obama identified as the core target of the legislation. The "compromise" legislation includes $70 billion, or just under 10 percent of the whole package, to be used expressly to take care of these affluent people.

In fact, these lucky men and women make so much money that they fall into the ever-expanding grasp of the alternative minimum tax (AMT). The AMT was originally designed in 1969 to prevent the nation's millionaires and billionaires from using tax loopholes to pay zero income tax. That year, 155 very wealthy taxpayers paid no federal tax whatsoever. This year, if the law remains as it is currently crafted, the AMT would, through bracket creep, apply to as many as 25 million taxpayers, including those making in the $85,000 to $250,000 range, depending on how many deductions they claim (the more deductions, the more likely the AMT comes into play).

There is a strong case to be made that the AMT was never intended to apply to people in these income categories - for example two public school teachers married to each other -- and Congress in recent years has repeatedly passed temporary one-year "patches" postponing the downward reach of the tax provision.

Some economists argue, however, that patching the AMT is one of the least effective ways for Congress to stimulate the economy and create jobs. As the Huffington Post has reported, the Congressional Budget Office and Brookings-Urban Institute Tax Policy Center have both described the AMT as a poor use of federal dollars.

Why then has Congress added the $70 billion AMT patch to the bill, while cutting other expenditures right and left?

The most obvious answers are 1) the people who make $80,000 to $250,000 are influential and vocal in pressing their complaints to Congress; 2) an AMT-induced tax hike would produce an outcry; 3) and people in this class have become the most contested "swing" voters in elections -- running the gamut from presidential to state legislative elections.

Once these upper-middle-class voters were a reliably Republican constituency, but over the past generation, Democrats have made major inroads, evinced in the success of Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry and Barack Obama in the well-to-do suburbs of New York, Philadelphia, Boston, and along the entire California coast.

A major consequence is that leaders of both parties are vying intensely for this crucial segment of the electorate -- Republicans to staunch the hemorrhaging, Democrats to speed it up. Thus, the $70 billion AMT patch has become inviolable.

Below are tables illustrating the distributional impact of the AMT patch as calculated by the Brookings-Urban Institute Tax Policy Center:

When President Obama outlined on January 8 the rationale for the economic stimulus bill, "The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act," he clearly identified the men and women most in trouble: Nearl...
When President Obama outlined on January 8 the rationale for the economic stimulus bill, "The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act," he clearly identified the men and women most in trouble: Nearl...
 
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Best stimulous- if banks borrow or are given money from the gov't, they MUST use at least 75% of it to make consumer loans available at interest rates no higher than 4%. That would allow people to consolidate debt, pay it off at reasonable rates, have money to save and put probably billions back into the economy. The banks would still make a profit and would be forced to operate more efficiently and have less to spend on obcene bonuses, stadium namings, and corportae jets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 02/12/2009
- shanefish I'm a Fan of shanefish 10 fans permalink
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How about letting the HUGE corporations fail and make room for more local banks and credit unions? They know much better what kind of loan I can afford.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 02/12/2009
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

At a credit union the corporation is OWNED by the depositors. That is why we have share accounts. We have the same protections as FDIC, their rates are competitive, and for the most part credit unions are all pretty much local establishments.

I cannot imagine why anyone would put their money anywhere else.

I know it's out of season now, but everyone needs to go watch "It's a Wonderful Life" (try to find an un-colorized copy)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 02/12/2009
- Pablo175 I'm a Fan of Pablo175 16 fans permalink

The AMT was never intended to hit incomes like these. The lack of an inflation adjustment has created a monster. If you want o raise tax rates go ahead and try. Don't hide behind the AMT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 02/12/2009
- hark I'm a Fan of hark 111 fans permalink

How about the seniors, before we start shedding tears for the upper middle class? The tax on Social Security is not adjusted for inflation either, but nobody ever mentions that. And the seniors have been hardest hit by this economic meltdown - they have to live on their sunken 401(k)s. They can't wait it out. You can't go out and get a high paying job when you're 75.

But nobody has mentioned them at all during this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 02/12/2009
- viflyer I'm a Fan of viflyer 27 fans permalink

When are the Dems going to start FIGHTING for US. Harry Reed is worthless. Always has been. Bought and paid for by every corporation out there. As far as I am concerned he is just another Republican throwing scraps to the people he is supposed to represent.

THE MAN HAS GOT TO GO!!!!

WHAT do we have to do to get rid of him????????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 02/12/2009
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

Move to Nevada

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 02/12/2009
- viflyer I'm a Fan of viflyer 27 fans permalink

I hear ya!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 02/12/2009

So, temporarily patching an unfair tax counts as pandering to the middle class? I don't think so. Why don't they just fix the damn thing permanently?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 02/12/2009
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

Tom, first of all, don't make the Bill Clinton's, John Kerry's, and Al Gore's out to be upper-middle class. There filthy-rich.

I'm middle-class, by the way. And as far as the Stimulus Plan goes, anything is better than NOTHING. However, I do have gripes and maybe you'll do another article to address it. Too many of these new jobs are NOT permanent. Once the bridge is built, once the roads are finished, once the airline terminals are dry-walled, then what? I only hope this isn't a payback to the trades unions for their record-breaking contributions during the election campaign. Even a man as smart as Robert Reich was asking that.

Its nice that the upper-middleclass is a winner if you are correct. But wouldn't be better had the lower-middleclass and folks right below them been the winners? And the folks on the poverty line becoming at least lower and/or middleclass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 02/12/2009
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

"Once the bridge is built, once the roads are finished, once the airline terminals are dry-walled, then what?"

Projects like the ones you mention take YEARS. By then one would hope things will have stabilized.

In the meantime all those d@mn plumbers, laborers, carpenters, ironworkers, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, will have been feeding their families, paying their bills, paying their taxes, saving and buying things.

This is the KickStart part of the Package.

You also fail to realize that having good roads, bridges and airports is in itself stimulative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 02/12/2009
- viflyer I'm a Fan of viflyer 27 fans permalink

"You also fail to realize that having good roads, bridges and airports is in itself stimulative"

Yeh right! Try telling that to a Limbaugh brainwashed ditto head.

OR that spending on education has ANY benefit down the road.

We are dealing with the MOST ignorant, greedy and selfish among us. People that can't see past their wallet and the dollars in it.

Truly sad what this nation has become.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 02/12/2009
- ranch111 I'm a Fan of ranch111 7 fans permalink
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I'd like for our infrastructure to crumble. Let's get the private sector take care of it. How about that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 02/12/2009
- viflyer I'm a Fan of viflyer 27 fans permalink

You mean like the projects they never finished in Iraq?

I can just see it. Build half a bridge and get get paid for the whole thing. Only in REPUBLICAN states of course.

In the South, they will take the infrastructure money and give it to Toyota and Mercedes Benzto keep them in business. Good for the foriegn tire companies too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 02/12/2009
- TFlint I'm a Fan of TFlint 40 fans permalink
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Hmm! The Upper Middle Class. Who would that include? Lots of senators? Members of Congress?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 02/12/2009
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

Senators are almost all millionaires

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 02/12/2009
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

Multi-mill­ionaires..­..If Bill Clinton and John Kerry are upper-middleclass, then why aren't people like us bathing in champagne? And having our personal limo drivers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 02/12/2009

And docotrs, lawyers, etc.. Before my husband lost his job, we too were labled upper middle class, not I would say we lower middle class. There is nothing in this package for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 02/12/2009
- MMJones I'm a Fan of MMJones 48 fans permalink

In LA Times, this "tax cut" is described as what it is -- a tax originally designed to apply ONLY to the wealthiest Americans, but never adjusted for inflation. It is a fair tax break for the working middle-class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 02/12/2009
- jsgaetano I'm a Fan of jsgaetano 204 fans permalink
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Yeah, because all those unemployed people are really hoping for tax credits. That's the answer to everything!

Just remember- Ronny Raygun was the one who thought it made sense to tax unemployment benefits in the first place, and St. Reagan also passed the biggest tax increase in US history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 02/12/2009
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

My problem with tax credits for the poor is that you have to spend the money you don't have in order to get reimbursed next year.

How on earth does that make any sense?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 02/12/2009
- TXfemmom I'm a Fan of TXfemmom 192 fans permalink

The unemployed don't need a tax cut they need a job. If I am not mistaken, the government taxes unemployment benefits and that is a real slap in the face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 02/12/2009
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It sure is! Particularly, when you arent' making the salary you made before unemployment benefits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 02/12/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 366 fans permalink
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So is taxing Social Security income. WTF?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 02/12/2009
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Not wishing to add to any argument about where middle income and upper middle income brackets begin or end because it diverts away from a very real and disturbing statistic; that the numbers used to define what is categorized as lower income are grotesquely misleading. If a truer analysis of the income levels used to define where the poverty line begins, based on commenters decrying how difficult maintaining what is categorized as middle and upper middle income status is, then our government would be faced with acknowledging the stark reality that the "true" line of poverty starts at a much higher level of income. Until that happens, we are going to be stuck in this vicious circle of the financial sector and government trying to establish easier credit for those that cannot afford it, or a very bright line of have (entitled) and have-not (unentitled) established.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 02/12/2009
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AMEN! Excellent post! I also think that statistics need to be regional. The time of being able to say, "This is the poverty line," and apply that across the country is pretty much over. It's very different to talk about what income constitutes poverty in San Diego, compared to small town Nebraska, for example. Region and the lifestyle the region allows have a great deal to do with how well someone can get by on a particular salary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 02/12/2009
- Gericault I'm a Fan of Gericault 10 fans permalink
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Thanks MomfromTexas! I am a dad from Orange county california and our 150k a year keeps us out of debt, but I shop @ Goodwill.I know that it seems like alot of money when your out of work living in Michigan, but it's a struggle in this cost of living environmen­t.We pay $1200 month in health insurance. I've lost 300k in house equity and our 401k is now a 201k.
I thank God for his blessings everyday!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 02/12/2009

Regional may even be to large, I think it should be determined at the state level. States know there own better than the federal legislators. and policy makers. I think with President Obama, states have a better opportunity to regain more of their rights for the betterment of the citizens of heir own state. Its time for our governor's to step up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 02/12/2009
- Osmona I'm a Fan of Osmona 8 fans permalink

I'm just glad the working class got SOMETHING. Because if McCain or the Republicans had their way we would have gotten zilch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 02/12/2009
- TXfemmom I'm a Fan of TXfemmom 192 fans permalink

Can't disagree with that. McCain would have wanted a bill to make sure that all the richest got another tax cut, so they would STIMULATE the economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 02/12/2009
- ILibertine I'm a Fan of ILibertine 21 fans permalink
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Ahhh, divide and conquer. Is that what we wish? I take the perspective of those sugggesting 80K or 200K is not excessive. Two wage-earners, both educated and slugging it out in cube farms & etc. are not overly endowed financially, nor undeserving of some results for those efforts. To heap disproportionate benefits among the group, as opposed to equal beenfits for those making less is not right. Yet, when you consider those making huge salaries - the 10% making as much as the remaining 90% - this is where the outrage and focus upon extracting additional tax income should come from - as well as the firms that milk the population: oil, pharmaceutical, food, financial. Keep focused on who the enemy is, not inner-class wrangling set-up to divide resolve. Focus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 02/12/2009
- shanefish I'm a Fan of shanefish 10 fans permalink
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Excellent post!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 02/12/2009
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"Enemy"? This isn't communist China, and I hope the U.S. never becomes so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 02/12/2009
- shanefish I'm a Fan of shanefish 10 fans permalink
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If you haven't noticed, the pharms, oil, food and financials have declared war on the American people. If you don't see it, you're looking in the wrong places. They own you! Wake up America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 02/12/2009
- ILibertine I'm a Fan of ILibertine 21 fans permalink
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Yes, when I feel robbed - by gas prices fixed above the relative price of oil, by exorbitant grocery prices, see the McDonalds type lines at drive-thru pharmaceutical windows (what's all of this stuff being consumed?) and witness the plunder of the general welfare in pursuit of greed - I regard these as enemies to my well-being. I have come to believe there is a genuine effort to disenfranchise and pacify the American, bred of an inexorable business momentum to magnify the bottom line with no regard for social effects (and political empowerment to that end). At this point it is time for strong push-back - whatever it takes. If one doesn't define the attempted elimination of a fundamental element of productive society (middle class) by placing it in financial subservience freecreditreport.comm, my arse) as an enemy action, one misses the extent and implications of the offense. It may be an inadvertent series of events - the simple unregulated playing out of human nature's worst predilections rather than an actual plan by some mysterious group. But it remains for government, conscience and (in our system) the people to counteract theses tendencies with like and at least equal reaction. That is what time it is. No, this isn't China - but it isn't Utopia, and the wolves are running amok.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 02/12/2009
- TXfemmom I'm a Fan of TXfemmom 192 fans permalink

I do not begrudge anyone who gets an education and works hard from being paid for it. However, each person deserves to get a decent portion of the wealth that their work generates.

We have lost touch with that here in America. I was an Advanced Nurse Practitioner, a Nurse Anesthetist actually, and we administered around sixty percent of the anesthetics in the United States. Often that person with you during your entire anesthetic is the anesthetist, not an anesthesiologist. Sometimes, they were in the operating room all of five minutes on a two hour case, and they were paid six or seven times what we were and they complained all the time. I was pleased with what I was paid, I just didn't think that someone who spent five minutes in a case, and was "supervising" up to four cases at a time should make four or six times more than I and make that times four. This is what is wrong with American medicine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 02/12/2009
- tiznow I'm a Fan of tiznow 3 fans permalink

Maybe you should get more training, say 4 years of medical school and 4 years of residency training, as your supervisors have, before you complain about inequity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 02/12/2009

The MCAT is offered twice per year (April and August, I believe). No one drafted you to become a CRNA. You knew the deal going into it. Your post is just sour grapes. If you'd like to be an anesthesiologist, you know the steps to take. Best of luck!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 02/12/2009
- shanefish I'm a Fan of shanefish 10 fans permalink
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Here's what I don't get:

Last year, 1,000,000 homes were foreclosed on, at an average of just over $200,000 each. Do the math; this equates to $200 billion. We could have bought every house in foreclosure at a fraction of what this costs. I am more than a little baffled.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 02/12/2009
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Where did you get the average of $200,000 each? Why would we buy all these houses? How long are we going to buy houses for people? Why buy the foreclosed houses only? Is that fair to those, who are living in houses that are not being lost to foreclosure? Why would the latter people keep working and trying to pay their mortgages? Why not quit their jobs and let the government pay for their houses?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 02/12/2009
- shanefish I'm a Fan of shanefish 10 fans permalink
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They averaged $200,000 each.

I am with you, no one who got a loan illegally (by forging income, etc.) should be saved. What I was trying to point out is that the $350 billion evaporated into thin air and we're left with another trillion or two to MAYBE fix the mess and I want to know how any of this will stop the bleeding (the reality that home prices are FAR too high.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 02/12/2009
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Do you know why tax cuts for the rich never work? Because the rich don't support the economy, we do. Not only do we buy more, but we're the tax base, in large part because of payroll taxes and that wide net called sales taxes. Fee type taxes? We pay them. Fees for licences, parking tickets, traffic infractions, etc.

Governments know what every good businessman knows - work on volume. Aim taxes at the bottom half of people in this country and you'll collect more revenue.

Unfortunately that stopped working when paychecks shrunk. So we borrowed. So blame the root of the evill - wage stagnation and crushing expenses like health care.

You want to save this country? Then save us. There's no other way.

I don't consider a person making 80 grand or 100 grand a year doing well, because in this economy, family expenditures will eat that up. But having said that, I would like some of the posters here who are in that range, to consider what it's like making 40 grand a year, or less, like I do. Try making it on that kind of money. Then you'll know what struggling really is.

Increase Wages
Bring back good jobs
Cut payroll taxes
Provide free healthcare
Provide free college
Support small businesses
Restructure laws and tax codes in our favor, not corporate america.

Do the above and it will be a start to the huge problems facing this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 02/12/2009
- lilpeg I'm a Fan of lilpeg 2 fans permalink

This would be a miracle if it happened.
1): I would add something in the "environmental" vein....pr­ovide adequate, cheap public transportation, and cut energy costs of the common household (I like the president's idea of retro-fitting houses to conserve energy).

2); Provide strong incentives and mechanisms for average people to save and accumulate money so, that they would not have to buy on credit each time they make a large purchase, such as a car or one o' dem new-fangled (now necessary?) digital tvs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 02/12/2009

That will take making the unions stronger, or allowing unions either back in the work place where they've been kicked out, or allowing them into the work place where they haven't existed before. Then executive pay needs to shrink down to a reasonable level: 40 times more than the average worker instead of the current 400 times more. They playing field needs to be levelled: economic and social democracy, if you will, and that's not socialism!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 02/12/2009
- shanefish I'm a Fan of shanefish 10 fans permalink
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Everyone HATES unions and I understand their annomosity. The unions in many cases have become almost as bad as the employers. But the sad reality is this: In America, it has become very uncommon for an employer to do ANYTHING for his employee, unless it has been subsidized by the government. The day when an employer felt that his workers were the most important part of his business is long gone. We need to change that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 02/12/2009
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

Shake, you are absolutely right.

We are in the 80-100K range outside NYC. It has been a long hard slog to get there.

We can finally go out to dinner once in a while and I don't have to wrack my brain to come up with a way to feed six people on less than $10 a meal anymore. I should probably be more frugal since the house does need a new roof but it is such a relief not to get chest pains while paying the bills that I have a hard time reining myself in. Still no vacations and I grow my own vegetables.

I have been where you are and hope you can get to where I am.

Jobs in Manufacturing is the only way. Yes, it does cost more to make things here but it is better for the economy and better for the environment to do the work here where we know who is making it and how it is being made

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 02/12/2009

we all need to remember that the american worker is at a great disadvatage to his foriegn counterparts
they have govt subsidies for all exporting businesses and also get their health care from the govt
no wonder foreign companies aree ating our lunch
time to level the playing field

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 02/12/2009

I agree. My parents qualify at 'upper middle class' according to the author of the post and I know they aren't "rich". Not to mention, they are both in industrys that could result in a job loss as well during this recession.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 02/12/2009
- singermuse I'm a Fan of singermuse 23 fans permalink
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Amen!
It is unfortunate that the very things we NEEDED are what got cut out:
Education, HealthCARE (we don't need more insurance), and relief for the POOR and soon-to-be-poor. But another response was right in stating that money just doesn't buy what it used to.
Two teachers making a combined income of 80,000.00 are barely making it these days...and what does that say for those who are attempting the near impossible task of living on a minimum non livable wage? I still have faith that this new and current administration will still find a way to help people regardless of the obstructionist and greed addled repugicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 02/12/2009

The most glaring error in this article is the assumption that $80K is "upper middle class." Here in New Jersey, I'd say that $80K ranks as middle class, unless we're talking a single-person household. I'd say that for most folks in the Northeast, the families living on $80K are working very hard to maintain a middle-class lifestyle and still save for college and retirement. They're not living large, that's for certain. I have family in California whose housing expenses eat up 40-50% of their take home pay, and for them it's not easy to get by on less than $75,000.

Stupid reporting like this ignores regional differences in cost of living and breeds misunderstanding.

In New York City, I don't even know if families making less than $100K can save anything.

Now, I'd be comfortable saying that $200K is doing well just about anywhere, but even some of those folks can be locked into a real estate nightmare that eats up their money. After all, a few years ago, the definition of a "fixer-upper" in San Diego was any house listed for under half a million dollars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 02/12/2009
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

Dead on, Sue. That is some straight up cogitatin'.

In the northern NYC exurbs, our highly educated household (and not Westchester County, either) is just brushing up against the 100K mark and we are only now getting on an even keel since we no longer have to feed two teenage boys.

Still, I have nothing to help my daughters complete their educations and they are working to save up money for college. One already has an AAS in engineering but the only job she can get is selling shoes.

I would add to your post that since the majority of Americans live in metropolitan areas, Mr Edsall needs to bring some demographic reality to his reporting

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 02/12/2009

I'd agree. Housing prices have remained much lower in some states, with lower pay to workers as well. Then there's the minimum age. Some seventy years ago it would have been quite possible to live on minimum wage, even being able to buy a house in some areas! this continued to be true through the 1950's. By the 70's, it was a wage for high school or college kids. Today's minimum wage is even lower than what many high school kids get paid for part-time work. Those adults working for minimum wages are either homeless working poor living out of a vehicle or living with quite a few others in over-crowded conditions. The minimum wage has not kept up to the rise in wages for many decades now. it's one of the factors as to why wages have not kept up with the rise in costs of living, remaining stagnant, especially during Bush's reign! The rich get richer and the poor poorer, and the middle class disappears!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 02/12/2009
- shanefish I'm a Fan of shanefish 10 fans permalink
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Naw, he's just pandering to the great "middle" of the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 02/12/2009
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

"Now, I'd be comfortable saying that $200K is doing well just about anywhere, but even some of those folks can be locked into a real estate nightmare that eats up their money."

Also, in order to have a $200K job or even 2 $100K jobs (especially 2 $100k jobs), chances are that required a substantial amount of very expensive post-secondary education and thus those folks have a disporporitionate student debt burden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 02/12/2009
- SeaKitten I'm a Fan of SeaKitten 13 fans permalink

Since when was $85,000 annual income "upper middle class"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 02/12/2009
- ckfan I'm a Fan of ckfan 85 fans permalink
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It is not. Especially if you live in the N.VA (DC) area, where a shack with a less than 45 minute drive to your job still costs $500,000 or more. And if you've got kids. Forget about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 02/12/2009
- shanefish I'm a Fan of shanefish 10 fans permalink
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Home prices are what caused this housing mess, not the FED trying to increase home ownership. How about this one? Did you know that if you adjust for inflation the median income in 1950 was $25,000/yr (again, converted into today's money) was actually OVER $200,000 in buying power! It is no wonder we can't pay the bills. The milkman used to be able to support his family, not my wife and I both finally graduated college and both work full time and then some and still are barely getting by. The "Greatest Ggeneration" sure had help that we'll never know about!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 02/12/2009

Is it 85,000 per household? Or individual. Because 85,000 per household is hardly upper middle class in any big city or suburb.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 02/12/2009
- lilpeg I'm a Fan of lilpeg 2 fans permalink

Y'all need to move. In my town $85K is considered "rich".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 02/12/2009
- spartanmom I'm a Fan of spartanmom 13 fans permalink

How many open positions for Manufacturing Engineer or Technical Writer you got?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 02/12/2009
- steamboat I'm a Fan of steamboat 44 fans permalink

Depends if its $85K for the household, or one person....­...But Bill Clinton and John Kerry upper-middleclass. Who is this article writer kidding?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 02/12/2009
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Hey Tom, how about the fact that without the bill we would have had 0 for all those programs that where cut. You saw what it took to get 3 republicans to vote in the senate. Why don't you get it, the bill would be dead if they where not on board. The senate was going to kill the bill, you have to deal with reality here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 02/12/2009
- dagdavid I'm a Fan of dagdavid 10 fans permalink
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Total BS, kalimuzo. The dems could have simply ignored the Republicans after they decided they would not participate in this bill. There is no way the Republicans would have attempted a filibuster, it would have been political suicide. The reps played the president and he allowed them to destroy the stimulus. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 02/12/2009

They could have ignored the republicans but they couldn't ignore the blue dogs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 02/12/2009
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