Court Says Vaccine Not To Blame For Autism

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WASHINGTON — Vaccines aren't to blame for autism, a special federal court declared Thursday in a blow to thousands of families hoping to win compensation and to many more who are convinced of a connection.

The special masters who decided the case expressed sympathy for the families, some of whom have made emotional pleas describing their children's conditions, but the rulings were blunt: There's little if any evidence to support claims of a vaccine-autism link.

The evidence "is weak, contradictory and unpersuasive," concluded Special Master Denise Vowell. "Sadly, the petitioners in this litigation have been the victims of bad science conducted to support litigation rather than to advance medical and scientific understanding" of autism.

Science years ago reached the conclusion that there's no connection, but Thursday's rulings in a trio of cases still have far-reaching implications _ offering reassurance to parents scared about vaccinating their babies because of a small but vocal anti-vaccine movement. Some vaccine-preventable diseases, including measles, are on the rise, and last fall a Minnesota baby who hadn't been vaccinated against meningitis died of that disease.

The special court represented a chance for vindication for families who blame vaccines for their children's autism. Known as "the people's court," the U.S. Court of Claims is different from many other courts: The families involved didn't have to prove the inoculations definitely caused the complex neurological disorder, just that they probably did.

More than 5,500 claims have been filed by families seeking compensation through the government's Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, and Thursday's rulings dealt with the first three test cases to settle which if any claims had merit. The first cases argued that a combination of the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine plus other shots triggered autism.

"I must decide this case not on sentiment but by analyzing the evidence," said Special Master George Hastings Jr., writing specifically about Michelle Cedillo of Yuma, Ariz., who is disabled with autism, inflammatory bowel disease and other disorders that her parents blame on a measles vaccine given at 15 months.

"Unfortunately, the Cedillos have been misled by physicians who are guilty, in my view, of gross medical misjudgment," Hastings concluded.

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Attorneys for the families said they were disappointed and may appeal.

"There was certainly no scientific proof that vaccines caused autism, but that's not the standard; the standard is likelihood," said Kevin Conway of Boston who represented the Cedillos. "We thought our evidence was solid."

"Certainly those three families are discouraged with the ruling," added Tom Powers, a Portland, Ore., attorney overseeing all the claims. "It's a big step, it's a significant step but it's not the last step."

Indeed, the court's ruling will do little to change the minds of parents who believe vaccines have harmed their children, said the head of a consumer group that questions vaccine safety, the National Vaccine Information Center.

"I think it is a mistake to conclude that because these few test cases were denied compensation, that it's been decided vaccines don't play any role in regressive autism," said Barbara Loe Fisher, the center's president.

The court still must rule on additional cases that argue a different link _ that vaccines that once carried the mercury-containing preservative thimerosal are to blame, if the mercury reached and damaged brain cells _ and Powers said families making those claims remain hopeful. The court has given no timetable for a ruling.

But Thursday's rulings clearly gave great credence to numerous large studies that have looked for but not found any link between the measles vaccine, other vaccines and autism.

"Hopefully, the determination by the special masters will help reassure parents that vaccines do not cause autism," the Department of Health and Human Services said in a statement that pledged to continue research into possible causes and better treatments.

"It's a great day for science, it's a great day for America's children when the court rules in favor of science," said Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious disease expert at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and developer of a vaccine for rotavirus.

"A choice not to get a vaccine is not a risk-free choice," Offit added, pointing to recent outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases that authorities suspect are partly due to delayed or rejected vaccinations.

Autism is best known for impairing a child's ability to communicate and interact. Recent data suggest a 10-fold increase in autism rates over the past decade, although it's unclear how much of the surge reflects better diagnosis.

Worry about a vaccine link first arose in 1998 when a British physician, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, published a medical journal article linking a particular type of autism and bowel disease to the measles vaccine. The study was soon discredited, and British medical authorities now are investigating professional misconduct charges against Wakefield.

Then came questions about thimerosal, a preservative that manufacturers began removing from all vaccines given to infants in 2001. Today it is present only in certain formulations of the flu shot.

WASHINGTON — Vaccines aren't to blame for autism, a special federal court declared Thursday in a blow to thousands of families hoping to win compensation and to many more who are convinced of a ...
WASHINGTON — Vaccines aren't to blame for autism, a special federal court declared Thursday in a blow to thousands of families hoping to win compensation and to many more who are convinced of a ...
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Hello,
I know that cottonseeds themselves are prone to fungus. Because cottonseeds get fungus while they are stored, they are sprayed with a mercury based spray to kill off the fungus.
The cotton plant itself and the seeds that are taken from the plant do NOT come under any food regulation laws in in regards to what can be sprayed on either the plant or the seeds
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In the 1920's in China crude cottonseed oil was used in a fertility test that proved that some of the men who ate this oil became infertile. look this up.

Monsanto Chemical owns Delta & Pine Land Company, which is the largest cottonseed proruced in the entire World! They are pushing cottonseed oil and cottonseed foodstuffs to be put into everything we eat. Rainbow trout in a test developed cancer after eating cottonseed granules for one year. Farmers know that you do not feed cottonseed foodstuffs to cattle, sheep or horses if they want to get their animals to produce young. The cottonseed foodstuffs cause the females to about their young. The males often cannot produce sperm to get the females pregnant.

I believe that the cottonseed oil the mothers of autistic children ate at fast food places like McDonalds is what is to blame for all the children being born today with autism. I say this because cottonseeds themselves get fungus when stored and I know that a mercury based spray is sprayed on these seeds.
Thanks for reading my comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 03/02/2009

There are many ingredients that can be in vaccines and they aren't on the vaccine insert. Here is a sample from a patent for a vaccine adjuvant: "almond oil; babassu oil; borage oil; black currant seed oil; canola oil; castor oil; coconut oil; corn oil; cottonseed oil; emu oil; evening primrose oil; flax seed oil; grapeseed oil; groundnut oil; mustard seed oil; olive oil; palm oil; palm kernel oil; peanut oil; rapeseed oil; safflower oil; sesame oil; shark liver oil; soybean oil; sunflower oil; hydrogenated castor oil; hydrogenated coconut oil; hydrogenated palm oil; hydrogenated soybean oil; hydrogenated vegetable oil; a mixture of hydrogenated cottonseed oil and hydrogenated castor oil; partially hydrogenated soybean oil; a mixture of partially hydrogenated soybean oil and partially hydrogenated cottonseed oil; glyceryl trioleate; glyceryl trilinoleate; glyceryl trilinolenate; a polyunsaturated fatty acid triglyceride containing oil; or a mixture thereof." None of these ingredients appear on the package insert because it is a protected trade secret. How can anyone study the effects of vaccines properly when they don't even know the ingredients?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 02/13/2009

For all you "scientists" who think vaccines are the answers to our children's ills. Seriously.....

Are our children healthier today than they were 25 years ago? According to your logic they should be. The number of vaccines has tripled. Has our children's expected life span tripled? Or even increased? NO! They are the 1st generation to have lower life expectancy than their parents. They have more chronic disease than any generation in history.

This issue is about vaccine safety. Sadly, vaccine safety was deep-sixed today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 02/13/2009

"Has our children's expected life span tripled?" -vaccines never promised to prolong your life.
"They are the 1st generation to have lower life expectancy than their parents"- Where did you get this information? "They have more chronic disease than any generation in history." - Where did you get this information?

It couldn't be from a scientist, you%2

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 AM on 02/13/2009

I was pointing out how ridiculous some of the "arguments" are here. Wow, you are really great at name calling!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 02/13/2009
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Vaccines are merely an answer to infectious diseases. A far better one than treatment of the afflicted. Like a hammer, they are just a tool: neither inherently good nor bad.

The people who didn't get the infectious diseases because of vaccines do in fact have improved mortality and morbidity stats. Because the prevalence of these illnesses is declining, it could be argued that this number is small. But the small number is due to widespread vaccination programs.

The results of the case do not impress me as much as the actual study results. Look at thalidomide, a medicine that was improperly used in the past with horrendous results. It is now finding lifesaving applications as a result of impartial investigative studies.

I have a nephew with autism. Any family enduring this suffering has my concern and sympathy.
Vaccine safety is just as important as food/water safety or medicine safety. Scientific determination of their proper usage and restrictions ought to be the impartial guide, not court findings based on incomplete evidence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 02/13/2009

Very respectful post, and thank you so much.

It is sad that people are taking such obscene glee in these decisions. Yes, I understand that the science in the cases was incomplete. I can accept that the families are going to have to continue to care for their children with no help. But, it is sickening to take pleasure in their pain. These parents need our heartfelt sympathies, and gloating about the loss of these cases, which are very important to all three, is rubbing salt in the wounds.

Truly, it makes those that claim to be science-based look very bad.

I couldn't agree with you more about vaccine safety. That is all many parents in my position are asking for. The science is incomplete. The right questions haven't been answered. The right studies haven't been done. They desperately need to be done.

Again, thank you for your excellent post. I hope to continue to have such discussions with you in the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 02/13/2009

Thank you for your rational post. ConfuciusSay...
All of my children are vaccinated, one of them is vaccine injured, (we were not involved in the Autism Omnibus). I'm am so tired and frustrated of being villified because my child was injured by this "life-saving" product. Yes, vaccines save lives, but there is also a risk. No product should be exempt from safety standards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 02/13/2009
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You "don't" know what you're "talking" about. Seriously...

No one has claimed that vaccination is directly correlated to life span. That's the kind of straw man that nutjobs love, but it has nothing to do with reality. Vaccination protects against infectious disease. Continuing to vaccinate maintains these protections, particularly against diseases that have been largely eradicated, such as polio and smallpox. The purported drop in life expectancy has absolutely nothing to do with vaccinations, and is probably something you cribbed from an obesity study.

Your prose and mishmash of unrelated concepts demonstrate a profound misunderstanding of science and medicine. You don't have to know any of these things, but you should have the maturity and good grace to trust the consensus of those who do, rather than spout uninformed and dangerous nonsense on the subject.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 02/13/2009
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It's disturbing to see that the voice of the kooks are just getting louder, the more the science is against them. These people who claim a link between vaccines and autism are the same kind of people are the AIDS deniers. For every lunatic cause there is now a token celebrity who knows nothing about science, For autism we have that bastion of scientific research, Jenny McCarthy.

Vaccines work. It has eradicated smallpox, even in small villages in my home country, India. Vaccines are well on their way to eradicating polio, and the prevalence of free vaccines in India has seen polio rates there plummet. As for the preservatives, there is not one scientific paper, published in a peer-reviewed, reputed science journal (like Science, Nature, Neurology) that establishes the link. The pseudoscientist's claim goes something like this: My child was vaccinated, and my child is autistic, therefore vaccination causes autism. Some of them are a bit more sophisticated, and try to link symptoms of mercury poisoning and autism, picking and sorting the symptoms that match and reject those that don't, without realising that there are many diseases that have the same symptoms, because most of our symptoms is the body's response to the invading pathogen.

These people expect me to believe that the ENTIRE scientific community from every part of the world is too stupid to see what a soft porn star can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 02/13/2009
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Please read what the National Autism Association says about this Court action:

http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/press021209.php

"INSINCERE AND POLITICALLY DRIVEN"

"Government Conceded One Year Ago that Vaccines Caused Autism; Today’s Ruling Demonstrates Backpedaling, Further Undermines Vaccine Safety"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 02/12/2009

jneems, I'd like to ask you a simple question and I'd like an answer.

Are we better off NOW with vaccines or would you rather turn the clock back 100 years and just let nature take its course??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 02/12/2009
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In stark contrast the respected ASA states:

"Though the litigation on which vaccines may have caused autism in some children varies, this ruling only affects those who claim the interaction of the MMR vaccine and thimerosal­-containin­g vaccines cause autism. There are cases still to be decided, and many unanswered questions for the thousands of families affected by autism.

ASA believes that the science of autism causes and treatments need to be more vigorously researched. We hope that primary decisions on medical research and comprehensive treatment and services will be reached through thoughtful dialogue by parents and professionals. Individuals living with autism need help today, and this case illustrates the need for the medical community to probe further into environmental causes of autism. Like all families affected by autism, these families deserve to be heard and supported in their journey raising their children.

What this ruling doesn’t address is the continuing need of these families for services and supports throughout their children’s lifespan, regardless of what caused their autism. While we don’t know the cause for autism, or its interaction with other conditions or environmental aggregators, we need to focus today on what works to maximize the potential of people with autism to help them live meaningful, productive lives. This has always been ASA's mission and we will continue to advocate for research, family and individual support, and lifespan services for people across the autism spectrum."

http://www.autism-society.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=13029&news_iv_ctrl=1882

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 02/13/2009

So I checked out the link from jneems to The National Autism Association, and the link from MNmommy to The Autism Society Of America. Only one site tries to sell you something on it's front page and has a link to their store. Which one is trying to exploit the situation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 02/13/2009
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It's really disturbing how much credibility Huffpost lends vaccine hysteria by publishing hacks like David Kirby. The decline in vaccination due to unwarranted claims of autism or other negative health outcomes has already caused a deadly resurgence of Measles in Europe, and more people will die as herd immunity is lost.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 02/12/2009

If you are to speak of the anti-vaccine nutjobs please don't forget to mention Robert Kennedy Jr.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 02/12/2009
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I REALLY hope that this turns him around. He, as a Kennedy, should know better.

Anyone who doubts me - look into his aunt, or his cousins, especially Patrick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 02/12/2009

All this kafluffle about Andrew Wakefield (interesting timing, sort of coordinated with the court rulings) made me think about another gastroenterologist who was subjected to a decade of ridicule by the medical establishment. A lot of money at stake there too.

When did Barry Marshall get that Nobel Prize? 2005?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 02/12/2009

??????????

You are comparing Dr. Marshall to the crackpot Wakefield based on WHAT?

Dr. Marshall's success was the result of sound SCIENCE. The same Science that guided the court ruling in the story. I really don't understand why so many have such problems with ordered thought ,,, but then again I suppose P.T. Barnum knew the answer ...

“There's a sucker born every minute”

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 02/12/2009

For years and years and years courts also ruled that cigarettes were not harmful, did not cause cancer etc.
For years and years courts have ruled that Exxon has to pay damages in Alaska.......and every ruling has been appealed, and justice denied.

The back and forth between massive industries with the capacity to spend billions on legal battles vs. little groups of Americans always produces verdicts like this.
This ruling is one inning in a twenty inning game.
Neither side is going to stop what they are doing.

Though one side is clearly celebrating this ruling, with some even calling it a 'great day' this is a very sad state of affairs.
An autism epidemic is causing pain and misery in thousands of families, while corporate shi11s celebrate their great victory.

We all know courts can be right or wrong, so this is NOT the final verdict or word on this issue.
Here is some more perspective on this complex topic.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 02/12/2009
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You're right, this isn't the final verdict on MMR. That happened years ago, as the growing body of research demonstrated no causal link between MMR and autism. If you like, it happened days ago, when the original research suggesting this link was revealed to be a product of fraudulent data produced under a conflict of interest.

The rest of your post is more lazy thinking - yes, courts have made bad decisions. This time, they made a good decision. Treating a scientific question as some kind of sports game is disingenuous and suggests that you care less about what is accurate, and more about a vindication of your own convictions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 02/12/2009

"A product of fraudulent data produced under a conflict of interest."

yeah lot of that going around.
http://www.counterpunch.org/pringle06262006.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2004/sep/26/internet.medicineandhealth

I do not treat a "scientific question as some kind of sports game" as you allege.
I applied the innings to the legal process. And when billion dollar legal teams from big pharma are involved, a sports analogy would be far to kind....pig circus would be more appropriate.

It is big pharma that has taken this scientific question and has done far more to hide what is accurate, to protect their almighty bottom line.....what they care about.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2003/nov/01/highereducation.medicineandhealth

My convictions evolve over time. I once trusted the medical establishment 100%.
Experience and research help all of us learn....as do the links I provide. Do you have anything other than insults to share?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 02/13/2009
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Good post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 02/13/2009

Bravo. Excellent post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 02/13/2009
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Well, what did we think they were going to say? We can't have the American people suing for it now can we? I know for a fact that those vaccines are doing something to our children. My second daughter started with problems after she received her shots, so when my son was born, I withheld all of his vaccines until I was threaten with child abuse, he got his first vaccination during the summer before he was to start second grade. I have proof of him being vaccinated at 7 years of age with his shot records.

Before the shots he was a very happy, very smart, articulate speaking English and Spanish, he was even being considered for promotion to second grade from first grade. He was reading and doing arithmetic on a fifth grade level, in first grade, he was reading at 3 years of age in preschool. So when school started back with him going into grade 2, something just snapped in my child, the staff at school kept asking me what happened? By the January of second grade, he was being tested for special education. He's 15 going on 16 now has been in special Ed since then and is constantly struggling with all of his subjects. NO one and I mean NO one except his teachers, believed me when I said the vaccinations did it. They will never admit to it, my child was misdiagnosed for years and is suffering from some form of Autism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 02/12/2009
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Hi, I'm a scientist. It's terribly sad that you have a mentally ill child, and I wish you the best. However, your personal tragedy is not evidence of a problem with vaccines, any more than the fact that your son rode a bicycle or brushed his teeth is evidence that these items are dangerous. This is why we run massive studies, rather than rely upon the anecdotes of distraught parents. You are fundamentally incorrect as to the cause of your son's illness, and your misperception is contributing to the loss of herd immunity and reemergence of lethal, preventable disease on a global scale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 02/12/2009

So your child has never been diagnosed with Autism. You were vaccinated when you were young, do you have undiagnosed autism too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 02/12/2009

Ok so that is cruel,By the way when that mother was younger she probably only had six vaccines vs 36 before 2. Do you have a child with Autism? Did you get to watch it unfold before your eyes? Probably not that is why you are so cruel! Most people in the autism community are not anti vaccine! We just want all the garbage removed from them so they don't cause these probelms.Why do you need to have thimerisol­,formaldih­yde, alluminum,aborted fetal cells,animal cells etc...Do you have an answer for me? What about the Amish communtity or the unvaccinated community? What are the rates of autism or other nuerological disorders there? 1 in 10,000 ?All the european countries have cleaned up why can't we?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 02/13/2009

Regardless of what comes out on this, I would never allow a doctor to give my infant or toddler a massive dose of multiple vaccines all at once. It only seems logical that it could overwhelm the system. Spacing the vaccinations out, and doing one at a time makes more sense. If it's not as cost-effective, oh well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 02/12/2009
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I suggest you follow whatever vaccination schedule your child's GP recommends. They've spent their entire lives studying the human body, they know a great deal more than "oh, this makes sense". I've personally studied immunology to a small extent, and there is nothing to suggest that the immune system reacts in the way you envision it.

The bottom line is that things like the sciences take years of study because they are NOT intuitive, they do not operate based upon your layman grasp of what "makes sense", and they require more elaborate and reliable data than the correlative assertions of distraught parents.

Vaccines are almost entirely safe, for most people. They are responsible for tripling the human life expectancy. I cannot understate the importance of vaccinating your children.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 02/12/2009

I have a degree in the biological sciences so I am not unfamiliar with how science works or the processes of the human body.

I'm in no way against vaccinations... But, there are doctors that advocate a different method of vaccination treatment than what the mainstream does. Personally, I would find one of those.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 02/13/2009

That doesn't have anything to do with the article above. "It only seems logical".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 02/12/2009

Really?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 02/13/2009
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Jesus Christ Himself could come down to earth...or Jehovah or Allah, take your pick...and say the vaccine is not to blame for autism, but some people will just refuse to listen. NOTHING will change the minds of these people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 02/12/2009
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It was never the vaccine, it was the MERCURY preservative in the vaccine. Another misleading whitewash and coverup of the truth. If it wasn't the mercury based Thimerosal, why did the FDA take it out of the vaccine after a few years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 02/12/2009

Right, and if you read the decisions you will find that in all three cases the court addressed both mercury and MMR and dismissed them both as causes of autism.

Thimerosal wasn't in the vaccines for "a few years" unless you think 40 or 50 years is "a few." But it was taken out because they found other preservatives, and because they didn't want people to baselessly freak out about "the mercury." It was not a science based decision.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 02/12/2009
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Thank you. Perfectly stated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 02/12/2009
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yup....wonder who paid whom off?

Two pennsylvania judges charged with taking million of dollars in kickbacks to send teenagers to two privately run your detention centers ae expected to plead guilty of fraud.
Prosecutors say the two judges took $2.6 in payoff to put juvenile offenders in lockup by by pennsylvania child care, llc and a sister company western pa child care, llc. The judges were charged on jan. 26 and removed from the bency by the pennsylvania supreme court shortly afterward....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 02/12/2009

So your saying that 1 or 2 judges are corrupt, that means all of them are? Every single ruling is by any judge ever is tainted because every judge ever is corrupt? Heh, silly goose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 02/12/2009
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I'd like to see a vaccine for AIDS, along with all other sexual diseases.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 02/12/2009
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But it exists already, it's spelled A-B-S-T-I-N-E-N-C-E ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 02/12/2009
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yawn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 02/12/2009
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And it works so well in a marriage when a spouse cheats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 02/12/2009
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The article gets it a little wrong on the baby in Minnesota. It was Hib, the meningitis vaccine Menactra isn't recommended for babies.

It's a great day.

Hopefully, now everyone can concentrate on therapy, treatment and better access to appropriate education for kids on the spectrum instead of chasing rainbows and pots o gold. If the ASD community would join with the communities of other children with neurobiological disabilities, maybe we could get something done!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 02/12/2009
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Great day, only in your mind. :(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 02/12/2009

And in the mind of critical thinking Americans, not in closed minded conspiracy flakes.
The illuminati is going to get you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 02/12/2009

It's a great day that these families are denied justice? It's a great day that they get no help with their families' medical needs?

Wow, I knew the Church brainwashing was bad, but it is monstrous to take glee in another person's misery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 02/12/2009

Justice was served. I'm an atheist so no church brainwashing here only science, who's goal is only the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 02/12/2009
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Demanding that SOMEONE must pay for a personal tragedy is not "justice".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 02/12/2009
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Curious why my response was deleted, but I'll repeat it.

You've accused me of ad hominem attacks, and here your insinuating that I'm the monster.

Not a monster. Just don't believe that vaccines cause autism, and believe that the incredible amounts of time, money and effort put into this should be channeled into something positive.

It's so incredibly sad to read folks that think their children have been *stolen* or robbed of their *souls*. It's heartbreaking to hear and read parents describe their children that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 02/12/2009
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the idea that people have been concentrating on possible vaccine links instead of on therapy, education .. is a false choice .. one can be concerned about causation at the same time working on therapy and fighting the education battles. One can fund genetic research at the same time researching environmental causation .. or which you suggest we pursue next therapy or education?

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That it's a false choice is your opinion.

If one-half of the effort that goes towards *curing autism* or finding the *cause of autism* went towards advocating for the effects, i.e. sensory integration issues, learning disabilities, anxiety, behavioral issues, etc and providing an educational environment that would be appropriate to ALL children that suffered from these issues, well who knows where we'd be!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 02/12/2009
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