Obama's Foreclosure Plan Seeks To Save Millions From Losing Homes

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AP   |  MARK S. SMITH and ALAN ZIBEL   |   February 18, 2009 08:19 AM

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MESA, Ariz. — President Barack Obama says his $75 billion plan to tackle "a crisis unlike any we've ever known" in home foreclosures is necessary to help save the economy.

Obama unveiled the plan in Arizona, hard-hit by the housing crunch. More expensive than expected, it aims to keep 9 million people from losing their homes.

One part will ease refinancing for people who owe more on their mortgages than their homes are currently worth. Another provides incentives for mortgage lenders to help those on the verge of foreclosure.

Speaking at a high school outside Phoenix, Obama said the plan won't save every home but it will prevent "the worst consequences of this crisis from wreaking even greater havoc on the economy."

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PHOENIX (AP) _ President Barack Obama marshaled $75 billion on Wednesday to tackle the foreclosure crisis in an effort to prevent up to 9 million Americans from losing their homes.

In tandem, the Treasury Department said it would double the size of its lifeline to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government, which seized the mortgage finance companies last fall, said it would absorb up to $200 billion in losses at each company.

The plan is more ambitious than initially expected _ and more expensive. It aims to aid borrowers who owe more on their mortgages than their homes are currently worth, and borrowers who are on the verge of foreclosure.

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The initiative is designed to help up to 5 million borrowers refinance _ if their mortgages are owned or guaranteed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. It also provides incentive payments to mortgage lenders in an effort to convince them to help up to 4 million borrowers on the verge of foreclosure.

"All of us are paying a price for this home mortgage crisis," Obama said in remarks prepared for delivery at a ceremony announcing the program at a Phoenix area high school.

The housing industry has been devastated by the nation's recession. Construction of new homes and applications for future projects both plunged to record lows in January as all parts of the country showed big declines in building activity. Analysts hope that a boost from government programs, including the efforts to stem foreclosures, will help stop the slide.

Headlining Obama's plan was a $75 billion Homeowner Stability Initiative, which would provide a set of incentives to lenders to cut monthly mortgage payments to sustainable levels. It defines this at no more than 31 percent of a homeowners income. Funding would come from the $700 billion financial industry bailout passed by Congress last fall.

Another key component: a new program aimed at helping homeowners said to be "under water" _ with dwellings whose value have sunk below the principal still owing on their mortgages. Such mortgages have traditionally been almost impossible to refinance. But the White House said its program will help 4 to 5 million families do just that.

Obama said this change would come at "roughly zero" cost to taxpayers.

Of the nearly 52 million U.S. homeowners with a mortgage, about 13.8 million, or nearly 27 percent, owe more on their mortgage than their house is now worth, according to Moody's Economy.com

Announcing his plan in a state hard hit by the housing crunch, Obama said that stemming the tide of foreclosures is key to turning around the recession-bound economy.

"In the end, all of us are paying a price for this home mortgage crisis. And all of us will pay an even steeper price if we allow this crisis to deepen," he said, according to the advance text.

The plan also seeks to bolster confidence in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage giants effectively taken over by the government last year. The White House said the Treasury will be able to increase its funding commitment to the two by using money Congress set aside last year, and will continue purchasing mortgage-backed securities from them.

The Treasury said the increased support for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac didn't reflect projected losses at the two companies, which were seized by government regulators last September. The two companies are currently projected to need a combined government subsidy of about $66 billion, well short of the new promise of up to $400 billion.

But Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said in a statement that the support "will provide forward-looking confidence in the mortgage market and enable Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to carry out ambitious efforts to ensure mortgage affordability for responsible homeowners."

The biggest players in the mortgage industry already had halted foreclosures pending Obama's announcement.

The president's announcement was coming a day after he signed into law a $787 billion economic stimulus plan he hopes will spark an economic turnaround and create or save 3.5 million jobs.

At the same time, the administration was grappling with the darkening prospects for the U.S. auto industry.

Even as Detroit carmakers submitted restructuring plans to qualify for continued government loans, General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC asked for another $14 billion in bailout cash.

Explaining the plan, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner told reporters, ""This is necessary policy. It's smart economics. And it's just and fair."

Asked why the cost had jumped to $75 billion, Geithner said, "We think that's necessary to make a program like this work."

Asked about the doubling of the guarantees for Fannie and Freddie, he said: "This is not a judgment about the expected losses ahead. It underscores commitment, and that is very important to help keep mortgage rates low."

Geithner said most not all of the money would come the financial bailout fund.

And he said relief would be almost instantaneous, basically as soon as rules are published March 4. "You'll start to see the effects quite quickly", Geithner said.

FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair said that previous efforts had largely flopped. "We've not attacked the problem at the core," she told reporters. "We are woefully behind the curve."

Added Geithner: "The cost of inaction has been very severe."

Housing Secretary Shaun Donovan stressed that homeowners don't need to be delinquent in order to get help.

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Alan Zibel reported from Washington; Associated Press Writers Liz Sidoti and Martin Crutsinger also contributed to this report.


TEXT OF OBAMA'S FORECLOSURE PLAN SPEECH AS PREPARED FOR DELIVERY


I'm here today to talk about a crisis unlike any we've ever known - but one that you know very well here in Mesa, and throughout the Valley. In Phoenix and its surrounding suburbs, the American Dream is being tested by a home mortgage crisis that not only threatens the stability of our economy but also the stability of families and neighborhoods. It is a crisis that strikes at the heart of the middle class: the homes in which we invest our savings, build our lives, raise our families, and plant roots in our communities.


So many Americans have shared with me their personal experiences of this crisis. Many have written letters or emails or shared their stories with me at rallies and along rope lines. Their hardship and heartbreak are a reminder that while this crisis is vast, it begins just one house - and one family - at a time.

It begins with a young family - maybe in Mesa, or Glendale, or Tempe - or just as likely in suburban Las Vegas, Cleveland, or Miami. They save up. They search. They choose a home that feels like the perfect place to start a life. They secure a fixed-rate mortgage at a reasonable rate, make a down payment, and make their mortgage payments each month. They are as responsible as anyone could ask them to be.

But then they learn that acting responsibly often isn't enough to escape this crisis. Perhaps someone loses a job in the latest round of layoffs, one of more than three and a half million jobs lost since this recession began - or maybe a child gets sick, or a spouse has his or her hours cut.

In the past, if you found yourself in a situation like this, you could have sold your home and bought a smaller one with more affordable payments. Or you could have refinanced your home at a lower rate. But today, home values have fallen so sharply that even if you made a large down payment, the current value of your mortgage may still be higher than the current value of your house. So no bank will return your calls, and no sale will return your investment.

You can't afford to leave and you can't afford to stay. So you cut back on luxuries. Then you cut back on necessities. You spend down your savings to keep up with your payments. Then you open the retirement fund. Then you use the credit cards. And when you've gone through everything you have, and done everything you can, you have no choice but to default on your loan. And so your home joins the nearly six million others in foreclosure or at risk of foreclosure across the country, including roughly 150,000 right here in Arizona.

But the foreclosures which are uprooting families and upending lives across America are only one part of this housing crisis. For while there are millions of families who face foreclosure, there are millions more who are in no danger of losing their homes, but who have still seen their dreams endangered. They are families who see "For Sale" signs lining the streets. Who see neighbors leave, and homes standing vacant, and lawns slowly turning brown. They see their own homes - their largest single assets - plummeting in value. One study in Chicago found that a foreclosed home reduces the price of nearby homes by as much as 9 percent. Home prices in cities across the country have fallen by more than 25 percent since 2006; in Phoenix, they've fallen by 43 percent.

Even if your neighborhood hasn't been hit by foreclosures, you're likely feeling the effects of the crisis in other ways. Companies in your community that depend on the housing market - construction companies and home furnishing stores, painters and landscapers - they're cutting back and laying people off. The number of residential construction jobs has fallen by more than a quarter million since mid-2006. As businesses lose revenue and people lose income, the tax base shrinks, which means less money for schools and police and fire departments. And on top of this, the costs to a local government associated with a single foreclosure can be as high as $20,000.

The effects of this crisis have also reverberated across the financial markets. When the housing market collapsed, so did the availability of credit on which our economy depends. As that credit has dried up, it has been harder for families to find affordable loans to purchase a car or pay tuition and harder for businesses to secure the capital they need to expand and create jobs.

In the end, all of us are paying a price for this home mortgage crisis. And all of us will pay an even steeper price if we allow this crisis to deepen - a crisis which is unraveling homeownership, the middle class, and the American Dream itself. But if we act boldly and swiftly to arrest this downward spiral, every American will benefit. And that's what I want to talk about today.

The plan I'm announcing focuses on rescuing families who have played by the rules and acted responsibly: by refinancing loans for millions of families in traditional mortgages who are underwater or close to it; by modifying loans for families stuck in sub-prime mortgages they can't afford as a result of skyrocketing interest rates or personal misfortune; and by taking broader steps to keep mortgage rates low so that families can secure loans with affordable monthly payments.

At the same time, this plan must be viewed in a larger context. A lost home often begins with a lost job. Many businesses have laid off workers for a lack of revenue and available capital. Credit has become scarce as the markets have been overwhelmed by the collapse of securities backed by failing mortgages. In the end, the home mortgage crisis, the financial crisis, and this broader economic crisis are interconnected. We cannot successfully address any one of them without addressing them all.

Yesterday, in Denver, I signed into law the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act which will create or save three and a half million jobs over the next two years - including 70,000 in Arizona - doing the work America needs done. We will also work to stabilize, repair, and reform our financial system to get credit flowing again to families and businesses. And we will pursue the housing plan I am outlining today.

Through this plan, we will help between seven and nine million families restructure or refinance their mortgages so they can avoid foreclosure. And we are not just helping homeowners at risk of falling over the edge, we are preventing their neighbors from being pulled over that edge too - as defaults and foreclosures contribute to sinking home values, failing local businesses, and lost jobs.

But I also want to be very clear about what this plan will not do: It will not rescue the unscrupulous or irresponsible by throwing good taxpayer money after bad loans. It will not help speculators who took risky bets on a rising market and bought homes not to live in but to sell. It will not help dishonest lenders who acted irresponsibility, distorting the facts and dismissing the fine print at the expense of buyers who didn't know better. And it will not reward folks who bought homes they knew from the beginning they would never be able to afford. In short, this plan will not save every home.

But it will give millions of families resigned to financial ruin a chance to rebuild. It will prevent the worst consequences of this crisis from wreaking even greater havoc on the economy. And by bringing down the foreclosure rate, it will help to shore up housing prices for everyone. According to estimates by the Treasury Department, this plan could stop the slide in home prices due to neighboring foreclosures by up to $6,000 per home.

Here is how my plan works:

First, we will make it possible for an estimated four to five million currently ineligible homeowners who receive their mortgages through Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac to refinance their mortgages at lower rates.

Today, as a result of declining home values, millions of families are "underwater," which means they owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth. These families are unable to sell their homes, and unable to refinance them. So in the event of a job loss or another emergency, their options are limited.

Right now, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - the institutions that guarantee home loans for millions of middle class families - are generally not permitted to guarantee refinancing for mortgages valued at more than 80 percent of the home's worth. So families who are underwater - or close to being underwater - cannot turn to these lending institutions for help.

My plan changes that by removing this restriction on Fannie and Freddie so that they can refinance mortgages they already own or guarantee. This will allow millions of families stuck with loans at a higher rate to refinance. And the estimated cost to taxpayers would be roughly zero; while Fannie and Freddie would receive less money in payments, this would be balanced out by a reduction in defaults and foreclosures.

I also want to point out that millions of other households could benefit from historically low interest rates if they refinance, though many don't know that this opportunity is available to them - an opportunity that could save families hundreds of dollars each month. And the efforts we are taking to stabilize mortgage markets will help these borrowers to secure more affordable terms, too.

Second, we will create new incentives so that lenders work with borrowers to modify the terms of sub-prime loans at risk of default and foreclosure.

Sub-prime loans - loans with high rates and complex terms that often conceal their costs - make up only 12 percent of all mortgages, but account for roughly half of all foreclosures.

Right now, when families with these mortgages seek to modify a loan to avoid this fate, they often find themselves navigating a maze of rules and regulations but rarely finding answers. Some sub-prime lenders are willing to renegotiate; many aren't. Your ability to restructure your loan depends on where you live, the company that owns or manages your loan, or even the agent who happens to answer the phone on the day you call.

My plan establishes clear guidelines for the entire mortgage industry that will encourage lenders to modify mortgages on primary residences. Any institution that wishes to receive financial assistance from the government, and to modify home mortgages, will have to do so according to these guidelines - which will be in place two weeks from today.

If lenders and homebuyers work together, and the lender agrees to offer rates that the borrower can afford, we'll make up part of the gap between what the old payments were and what the new payments will be. And under this plan, lenders who participate will be required to reduce those payments to no more than 31 percent of a borrower's income. This will enable as many as three to four million homeowners to modify the terms of their mortgages to avoid foreclosure.

So this part of the plan will require both buyers and lenders to step up and do their part. Lenders will need to lower interest rates and share in the costs of reduced monthly payments in order to prevent another wave of foreclosures. Borrowers will be required to make payments on time in return for this opportunity to reduce those payments.

I also want to be clear that there will be a cost associated with this plan. But by making these investments in foreclosure-prevention today, we will save ourselves the costs of foreclosure tomorrow - costs borne not just by families with troubled loans, but by their neighbors and communities and by our economy as a whole. Given the magnitude of these costs, it is a price well worth paying.

Third, we will take major steps to keep mortgage rates low for millions of middle class families looking to secure new mortgages.

Today, most new home loans are backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which guarantee loans and set standards to keep mortgage rates low and to keep mortgage financing available and predictable for middle class families. This function is profoundly important, especially now as we grapple with a crisis that would only worsen if we were to allow further disruptions in our mortgage markets.

Therefore, using the funds already approved by Congress for this purpose, the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve will continue to purchase Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage-backed securities so that there is stability and liquidity in the marketplace. Through its existing authority Treasury will provide up to $200 billion in capital to ensure that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac can continue to stabilize markets and hold mortgage rates down.

We're also going to work with Fannie and Freddie on other strategies to bolster the mortgage markets, like working with state housing finance agencies to increase their liquidity. And as we seek to ensure that these institutions continue to perform what is a vital function on behalf of middle class families, we also need to maintain transparency and strong oversight so that they do so in responsible and effective ways.

Fourth, we will pursue a wide range of reforms designed to help families stay in their homes and avoid foreclosure.

My administration will continue to support reforming our bankruptcy rules so that we allow judges to reduce home mortgages on primary residences to their fair market value - as long as borrowers pay their debts under a court-ordered plan. That's the rule for investors who own two, three, and four homes. It should be the rule for ordinary homeowners too, as an alternative to foreclosure.

In addition, as part of the recovery plan I signed into law yesterday, we are going to award $2 billion in competitive grants to communities that are bringing together stakeholders and testing new and innovative ways to prevent foreclosures. Communities have shown a lot of initiative, taking responsibility for this crisis when many others have not. Supporting these neighborhood efforts is exactly what we should be doing.

Taken together, the provisions of this plan will help us end this crisis and preserve for millions of families their stake in the American Dream. But we must also acknowledge the limits of this plan.

Our housing crisis was born of eroding home values, but also of the erosion of our common values. It was brought about by big banks that traded in risky mortgages in return for profits that were literally too good to be true; by lenders who knowingly took advantage of homebuyers; by homebuyers who knowingly borrowed too much from lenders; by speculators who gambled on rising prices; and by leaders in our nation's capital who failed to act amidst a deepening crisis.

So solving this crisis will require more than resources - it will require all of us to take responsibility. Government must take responsibility for setting rules of the road that are fair and fairly enforced. Banks and lenders must be held accountable for ending the practices that got us into this crisis in the first place. Individuals must take responsibility for their own actions. And all of us must learn to live within our means again.

These are the values that have defined this nation. These are values that have given substance to our faith in the American Dream. And these are the values that we must restore now at this defining moment.

It will not be easy. But if we move forward with purpose and resolve - with a deepened appreciation for how fundamental the American Dream is and how fragile it can be when we fail in our collective responsibilities - then I am confident we will overcome this crisis and once again secure that dream for ourselves and for generations to come.

Thank you, God Bless you, and God bless America.

MESA, Ariz. — President Barack Obama says his $75 billion plan to tackle "a crisis unlike any we've ever known" in home foreclosures is necessary to help save the economy. Obama unveiled the pl...
MESA, Ariz. — President Barack Obama says his $75 billion plan to tackle "a crisis unlike any we've ever known" in home foreclosures is necessary to help save the economy. Obama unveiled the pl...
 
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- markinaz I'm a Fan of markinaz 9 fans permalink

Some people should consider doing what I'm doing. It was big in the Depression. I'm talking about taking in boarders. I have 3 bedrooms and I rent out the other 2 to friends who literally were out on the street. They both still have jobs and their cars are paid for so I decided it would be something that I could do. I only charge them about 350 a month, so they can afford it. They can't get a studio apt. for that nowadays and it more than pays for my $380 a month mortgage, so I do come out a little ahead. It's definitely a sacrifice when you've lived so long without needing to do that, but I think a lot of people could benefit if we went out of our way to help people in need.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 02/18/2009
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You're a good person, markinaz.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 02/18/2009

fantastic markinaz....we need more people like you...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 02/18/2009
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 665 fans permalink
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we need more of you.

know where we can find 'em?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 02/18/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 454 fans permalink
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My son is doing that too. I'm proud of him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 02/18/2009

The only realistic plan is an equity share plan. Even then, the taxpayer will take a 5 - 15 % haircut.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 02/18/2009

I know of something that would be a better plan and awesome to see.

If more people being foreclosed on would collectively stand up and use the "Jerome Daly defense", it would render the banks powerless and expose their ponzi scheme practices of creating money.

In a nutshell, the Jerome Daly case is one in Minnesota where he successfully defended a foreclosure, kept his house, and wiped out his mortgage by proving that banks do not actually lend money. They simply create it out of thin air with a bookkeeping entry which the judge deemed fraudulent. Banks still do this with everything, credit cards, mortgages, etc.

This blog entry has a good summary of it and explains it better than I can:
http://www.foreclosurefish.com/blog/index.php?id=439

If a massive amount of people stood up and used that, it would bring down our corrupt system in a hurry and people could stay in their homes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 02/18/2009
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Can we do the same the credit cards?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 02/18/2009

Do you have kids? I nerve endings are numb. I think I can deal with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 02/18/2009

Actually a good point

I've heard some people gaining time by insisting on being shown the note on the house. As most notes were sliced and diced and sold up the line, its often surprisingly difficult to produce an note of clear wonership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 02/18/2009
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 665 fans permalink
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the banks have gotten away with so much just because consumers don't know.

one would think that the least a lender could do is keep you informed properly.

but then, it might take all the fun out of things......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 02/18/2009
- levi501 I'm a Fan of levi501 26 fans permalink
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It's too bad more banks aren't allowed to enforce the terms of a loan. It's as if borrowers are completely innocent and the banks forced people to buy a home they couldn't afford.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 02/18/2009

Levi, the banks really don't want to enforce the terms of the loan. What are they going to do put people in debtor prison? Own a depreciating asset, likely to be vandalized and that now requires an outlay of cash to maintain it all in a market where they are unable to unload it?

Oh, and for every foreclosure they have to hold more assets in reserve so they can lend less and make less money. While shelling out money for an asset that they really don't want.

The bankers don't want the RE...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 PM on 02/18/2009
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 665 fans permalink
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banks will do just about ANYTHING to avoid becoming realtors. it's expensive for them, and it's not their line of work. they want the real estate OFF their books any way they can get it. at a foreclosure auction in january, a home in the malibu hills, with ocean views no less, was on the block here. it was originally offered at a starting bid of $489,000 (appraised value $1.5 M) but by the time the auction actually took place, the noteholder had dropped their opening bid to $289,000. the house was only four years old, too.

when someone winds up in dire straits for circumstances out of their control, it's really unfair to punish them even further by taking their house too. everyone is much better off with STABLE home ownership, and flexibility to work with people through rough patches.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 02/18/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 330 fans permalink

Remember in most cases the bank does not own or hold the loan... they just service the loan for the owners of record on any given day.. collect the payments for a fee and forward the rest to the owner.. which can change daily... the mortgages are traded like stock.

Banks are an agent and are limited to what they can do... Foreclose in if in default in 90s and distibute the proceeds.

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 02/18/2009
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Its not about being forced, but being mislead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 02/18/2009
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My bank sure tried to get me into an ARM for way more then I needed. I stuck with a fixed payment that I knew I could make. I'm on a fixed income so it was easier to resist the siren call of lots of lovely money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 02/18/2009

I know two things:


1) You have the right to speak
2) You are a crackhead

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 02/18/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 330 fans permalink

So if more people walk on their debt, then the toxic paper on wallstreet increases and the bailout costs increase and of course who will loan money in the future to anyone.

And what about all these mortgages that are held by state and union pension funds? Oh well so much for their retirements.

Yep, lets make theft legal! What a joke, this would apply to credit card transactions, wire transactions, direct P/R deposits and so on... we will back to the barter system in a week ..lol

90% ofall money transaction are just an accounting entry.

Watch this be overturned on appeal...

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 02/18/2009
- levi501 I'm a Fan of levi501 26 fans permalink
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In terms of buying a home it's cheaper if a home drop 50% in price than interest rates stay below 12%.

Government is trying to solve market forces. In the end, a home is worth what someone will pay no matter what policies the government puts in place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 02/18/2009
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Supply-side bull$#!T.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 02/18/2009

Not even good supply side BS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 02/18/2009
- levi501 I'm a Fan of levi501 26 fans permalink
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Okay. So you believe there is someone with ultimate wisdom that can dictate what home prices should be?

Over the last two decades we've allowed so many people that couldn't afford homes get into mortgages that were outrageous. As those terms come to fruition there is more supply than demand; i.e. price falls.

Right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 02/18/2009
- levi501 I'm a Fan of levi501 26 fans permalink
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Okay. I'll bite.

If supply of homes increases faster than demand shouldn't home prices fall? Why should home prices stay high? Why is it okay to ignore the terms of a loan/contract?

It's no fun moving from a home to an apartment. But it's not the end of the world. If the home prices fall enough many people, like me, will buy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 02/18/2009
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 665 fans permalink
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runaway speculation is not a normal market force. it's about as contrived as you can get. and that's what landed most of the country in this mess.

it's turning into a buyer's market, if you can get funding.

good lord, even the cecil b. demille estate is on the verge of foreclosure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 02/18/2009
- macrophone I'm a Fan of macrophone 5 fans permalink

Agreed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 02/18/2009

Levi501, I've heard this canned speech about the way we never were hundreds of times.
The US government has been involved in housing for a very long time and it has resulted in the American dream. The market's had a deregulated shot at it recently and it has resulted in a problem.

We helped soldiers purchase homes after WWII-are you against that? How did that turn out?
Fannie Mae-1938

I realize that you think your math skills will amaze us all but it's not going to happen. Putting random calculations about what could be cheaper under certain circumstances is pointless.

Learn your history. We are repeating it now because a couple of fools thought that we could deregulate everything and the market would work. How did that turn out for the world?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 02/18/2009
- Carolab I'm a Fan of Carolab 454 fans permalink
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Actually, it depends entirely on the terms. And a home is not worth what someone will pay if the seller can't cover the difference between the price offered and the principal they own. I have only just recently been involved in this situation (as a broker)--the seller is buying the buyer's property and paying $7K more than its appraised value in order to make up the difference between the appraisal and what the buyer needs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 02/18/2009

I'm glad you guys still have a market.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 02/18/2009
- Chillinout I'm a Fan of Chillinout 125 fans permalink
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Hey BlueStateMan:

Don't you know that everyone, except a few people "in the know," li_ed about 9 1 1, J F K, the moon landings, the ali_ens at Roswell. Our government and the governments around the world have been ly_ing to everyone, and there is this vast worldwide consp_racy to keep the truth from coming out for unnamed nefarious reasons.

LMAO!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 02/18/2009
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Even Al-Jazeera... who were the first to broadcast OBLs confession.

Amazing, isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 02/18/2009
- Chillinout I'm a Fan of Chillinout 125 fans permalink
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Here's the way I see it. You can keep a secret between two people as long as one of them is de_ad.

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 02/18/2009
- Helzapoppin I'm a Fan of Helzapoppin 105 fans permalink
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Incentive payment to mortgage lenders. . . . (sigh) here we go again. . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 02/18/2009
- LCLiberal I'm a Fan of LCLiberal 5 fans permalink

Plenty of questions left unanswered here. How much? How soon? How effective?

http://www.political-buzz.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 02/18/2009
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Sell you spam at the PX.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 02/18/2009
- levi501 I'm a Fan of levi501 26 fans permalink
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Obama is actually hurting potential home buyers by focusing on keeping rates low instead of letting home prices fall. For example, if a $300K home were to fall 20% in price then a 15 yr 9% mortgage with 20% down would be cheaper than a $300K home at original price at 4% interest.

Liberal policies and unintended negative externalities.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 02/18/2009

Interest Rates /= House Prices.

Though, I like your anger....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 02/18/2009
- levi501 I'm a Fan of levi501 26 fans permalink
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I'm not angry. In fact, Obama is okay with me. I know he means well.

I like economics and math. Simply put a policy that keeps interest rates low and home prices high has negative outcomes for home buyers that intend to put more money down.

However, if we assume most home buyers put less than 10% down and mortgage more than his policy may be positive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 02/18/2009
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This isn't ABOUT potential home buyers... it's about home OWNERS keeping their homes.

First things first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 02/18/2009
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What happens when someone looses their home? They move out and find a place to rent. My family did it and lived.

Are we assuming that people that loose their mortgage become homeless?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 02/18/2009

Faulty premises and faulty conclusions. Home values are declining. Market is oversupplied with homes at falling prices or available through a bank willing to lose money on the home to get it off the books.

How does a high rate of foreclosure assist anyone in the economy? By forcing banks to hold more in reserve and lend less so business and consumers can't purchase goods and services so we have more layoffs and more foreclosures and we have an ever growing circle of joblessness and foreclosures?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 02/18/2009
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You're right. I'm not trying to solve the entire economy. I'm only pointing out unintended consequences of government policies. This isn't anything personal against Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 02/18/2009
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Yes, but ask yourself this, how many people are capable of putting a 20% down payment. While I see your point, the number of people who could qualify for a 15 year loan would be less than the number of people who would lose their homes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 02/18/2009
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20% is hard but very doable. It takes time. We've been saving for 2+ years and we won't buy until then.

It's not like we have to own the home to have a place to live.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 02/18/2009
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So you want people who are paying their mortgages to have their homes lose value so that some new buyer can afford to buy it?

All you care about is that the predatory lender makes the highest about of interest possible. Guess you must be a Republican't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 02/18/2009
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Hey GregRN and BarachSachs:

That web site you gave as "proof" that binLaden wasn't responsible for 9 1 1, is a woo_woo site extraordinaire. They are claiming that L B J kil_led J F K, and they have proof. They have found No_ah's Ark, etc. etc. Worse than the National Enq_uirer.

Try a credible source next time to back up your claims

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 02/18/2009
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Over 700 people joined Obama this morning in mesa az as he unveiled the plan to help fix the root cause of this mess. Even Rep Gov Jan Brewer decided to honor us w/her presence (although she sat stoically until she wanted an autograph at the end of Obamas presentation.

President Obama was joined by T Gietner Treasury Sec. and Sheila Bahr chair of FDIC. Obama inspired so many of us this morning.. I just wish everyone could have been there. Was a once in a life time opportunity. Even republicans waited all night Sunday night for their chance to get tickets..

Protesters were visible outside - no incidents - just alot of the same rep. one liners on their signs..guess some people just don't get it! Trying to turn az blue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 02/18/2009
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quit trying

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 02/18/2009
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Give it time. Sooner or later the people in AZ will realize what their own best interest is, and it certainly is NOT the GOP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 02/18/2009
- Dave27 I'm a Fan of Dave27 31 fans permalink

Come on people!

Until we have a "cram down" policy on primary residence, under-water mortgages, poor Mitt might lose a couple million selling his extras. And, McCain's value dropping too, we just can't have that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 02/18/2009
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Yestarday CNN announced that Magic Mittens was selling 2 of his mansions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 02/18/2009
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Yup for someone so smart with money . This is not a good time to sell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 02/18/2009
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Apparently the troIIs would rather that we be giving "bottled hot water to dehydrated babies", instead of fixing the mess The Shrub left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 02/18/2009
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What about renters?

My family has lived in an apartment for many years so we can put a substantive down payment on a home. Oddly, as home prices began to fall we've been able to start shopping earlier than planned for homes. However, isn't it unfair to me to keep home prices artificially high or keep less homes on the market?

As a conservative, I believe Obama is sincere about his desire to help. On the other hand, his generosity to people with mortgages is actually hurting families like me. Ironic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 02/18/2009
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This is generosity to BANKS - NOT generosity to people with mortgages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 02/18/2009
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Agree, the banks seem to be getting MORE incentives to refinance, but the choice still remains with the banks to do so or not.....hello TARP II!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 02/18/2009
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This is silly as lower rates will help you!

Stop making up scenarios that do not hold water!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 02/18/2009
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True low rates do help. However, the overall price is the biggest factor in total cost. Here:

$300K house 20% down 15 yr at 6% pmt = $1,384.24

Same house at $250K and terms with 12% pmt = $1,196

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 02/18/2009

:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 02/18/2009
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lower rates will HELP you, and the fact that housing prices will stabilize somewhere down on planet earth for a change will also be a benefit. your money will go further.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 02/18/2009

I know...I know...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 02/18/2009

Sadly, lower rates can only go higher.

Lower prices? I'd buy that for a dollar ;-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 02/18/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 330 fans permalink

Yes the 70% who own homes s/b forced out of their homes so you can buy one...???

You do realize that its these falling prices that cause the banking problems and thus the economic problems. You may find if we dont turn this around you will be using your down payment to make up for the job you dont have instead of buying a house at a bargain price... you can find foreclosures that are down by more than 70%! Go to auctions... I can get you a new 600K home for 100K in Cape Coral, fl on a golf course with lake view, granite counter tops... 2800 sq feet. minutes to Gulf.

All you have to do is find a job!

Pls note you will not want to buy in a neighborhood of houses that have been foreclosed with dead lawns and peeling paint And of course the town will be going w/o property tax revenue so... the schools will be short funds, they will be laying off police and road workers...


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 02/18/2009

Exactly-go Viper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 02/18/2009
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word

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 02/18/2009
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I am so thankful to be able to pay my mortgage. Every day, I thank God I have a job.

I do not have a problem with folks who are sinking to get thrown a gov't life preserver. But, I am skeptical that some folks will be helped. I sincerely hope that people who are given help to avoid foreclosure do not see this as a financial windfall to spend, spend spend and charge, charge, charge. People who do this are just as bad as the CEO's who bank millions while others struggle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 02/18/2009
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I sincerely hope that employers don't come to treat employees differently in view of the severe loss of jobs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 02/18/2009

I agree, but I expect that to occur. Let's face it someone has all the power in that relationship. Some people will exploit that advantage in a variety of unethical ways.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 02/18/2009
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this is where the usefulness of unions comes in. that bill protecting the rights of workers to organize without fear of reprisal is scaring the socks off the right wingers. and it's still knocking around congress right now like a hot potato. it does however, have not only the support of the public, but the support of most dems. it needs to be signed into law quickly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 02/18/2009

I don't think that will happen. The credit markets are too tight now and will be for the foreseeable future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 02/18/2009
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the banks that have been bailed out though, while they are tightening home and car loans, have actually decided to push credit card availability because they get such high interest rates on it. not to mention the additional fees they are charging customers for things like the amount of oxygen they use while in the building.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 02/18/2009
- levi501 I'm a Fan of levi501 26 fans permalink
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That's probably what will happen. Too often people spend what they make and save very little.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 02/18/2009
- Warmglobe I'm a Fan of Warmglobe 9 fans permalink

NExt week a plasma tv in every home

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 02/18/2009
- Dave27 I'm a Fan of Dave27 31 fans permalink

They'll be empty homes, so you can grab you one, when no one's looking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 02/18/2009
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Your lack of knowledge is breathtaking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 02/18/2009
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