Obama's Foreclosure Plan Seeks To Save Millions From Losing Homes

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AP   |  MARK S. SMITH and ALAN ZIBEL   |   February 18, 2009 08:19 AM

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MESA, Ariz. — President Barack Obama says his $75 billion plan to tackle "a crisis unlike any we've ever known" in home foreclosures is necessary to help save the economy.

Obama unveiled the plan in Arizona, hard-hit by the housing crunch. More expensive than expected, it aims to keep 9 million people from losing their homes.

One part will ease refinancing for people who owe more on their mortgages than their homes are currently worth. Another provides incentives for mortgage lenders to help those on the verge of foreclosure.

Speaking at a high school outside Phoenix, Obama said the plan won't save every home but it will prevent "the worst consequences of this crisis from wreaking even greater havoc on the economy."

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PHOENIX (AP) _ President Barack Obama marshaled $75 billion on Wednesday to tackle the foreclosure crisis in an effort to prevent up to 9 million Americans from losing their homes.

In tandem, the Treasury Department said it would double the size of its lifeline to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government, which seized the mortgage finance companies last fall, said it would absorb up to $200 billion in losses at each company.

The plan is more ambitious than initially expected _ and more expensive. It aims to aid borrowers who owe more on their mortgages than their homes are currently worth, and borrowers who are on the verge of foreclosure.

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The initiative is designed to help up to 5 million borrowers refinance _ if their mortgages are owned or guaranteed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. It also provides incentive payments to mortgage lenders in an effort to convince them to help up to 4 million borrowers on the verge of foreclosure.

"All of us are paying a price for this home mortgage crisis," Obama said in remarks prepared for delivery at a ceremony announcing the program at a Phoenix area high school.

The housing industry has been devastated by the nation's recession. Construction of new homes and applications for future projects both plunged to record lows in January as all parts of the country showed big declines in building activity. Analysts hope that a boost from government programs, including the efforts to stem foreclosures, will help stop the slide.

Headlining Obama's plan was a $75 billion Homeowner Stability Initiative, which would provide a set of incentives to lenders to cut monthly mortgage payments to sustainable levels. It defines this at no more than 31 percent of a homeowners income. Funding would come from the $700 billion financial industry bailout passed by Congress last fall.

Another key component: a new program aimed at helping homeowners said to be "under water" _ with dwellings whose value have sunk below the principal still owing on their mortgages. Such mortgages have traditionally been almost impossible to refinance. But the White House said its program will help 4 to 5 million families do just that.

Obama said this change would come at "roughly zero" cost to taxpayers.

Of the nearly 52 million U.S. homeowners with a mortgage, about 13.8 million, or nearly 27 percent, owe more on their mortgage than their house is now worth, according to Moody's Economy.com

Announcing his plan in a state hard hit by the housing crunch, Obama said that stemming the tide of foreclosures is key to turning around the recession-bound economy.

"In the end, all of us are paying a price for this home mortgage crisis. And all of us will pay an even steeper price if we allow this crisis to deepen," he said, according to the advance text.

The plan also seeks to bolster confidence in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage giants effectively taken over by the government last year. The White House said the Treasury will be able to increase its funding commitment to the two by using money Congress set aside last year, and will continue purchasing mortgage-backed securities from them.

The Treasury said the increased support for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac didn't reflect projected losses at the two companies, which were seized by government regulators last September. The two companies are currently projected to need a combined government subsidy of about $66 billion, well short of the new promise of up to $400 billion.

But Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said in a statement that the support "will provide forward-looking confidence in the mortgage market and enable Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to carry out ambitious efforts to ensure mortgage affordability for responsible homeowners."

The biggest players in the mortgage industry already had halted foreclosures pending Obama's announcement.

The president's announcement was coming a day after he signed into law a $787 billion economic stimulus plan he hopes will spark an economic turnaround and create or save 3.5 million jobs.

At the same time, the administration was grappling with the darkening prospects for the U.S. auto industry.

Even as Detroit carmakers submitted restructuring plans to qualify for continued government loans, General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC asked for another $14 billion in bailout cash.

Explaining the plan, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner told reporters, ""This is necessary policy. It's smart economics. And it's just and fair."

Asked why the cost had jumped to $75 billion, Geithner said, "We think that's necessary to make a program like this work."

Asked about the doubling of the guarantees for Fannie and Freddie, he said: "This is not a judgment about the expected losses ahead. It underscores commitment, and that is very important to help keep mortgage rates low."

Geithner said most not all of the money would come the financial bailout fund.

And he said relief would be almost instantaneous, basically as soon as rules are published March 4. "You'll start to see the effects quite quickly", Geithner said.

FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair said that previous efforts had largely flopped. "We've not attacked the problem at the core," she told reporters. "We are woefully behind the curve."

Added Geithner: "The cost of inaction has been very severe."

Housing Secretary Shaun Donovan stressed that homeowners don't need to be delinquent in order to get help.

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Alan Zibel reported from Washington; Associated Press Writers Liz Sidoti and Martin Crutsinger also contributed to this report.


TEXT OF OBAMA'S FORECLOSURE PLAN SPEECH AS PREPARED FOR DELIVERY


I'm here today to talk about a crisis unlike any we've ever known - but one that you know very well here in Mesa, and throughout the Valley. In Phoenix and its surrounding suburbs, the American Dream is being tested by a home mortgage crisis that not only threatens the stability of our economy but also the stability of families and neighborhoods. It is a crisis that strikes at the heart of the middle class: the homes in which we invest our savings, build our lives, raise our families, and plant roots in our communities.


So many Americans have shared with me their personal experiences of this crisis. Many have written letters or emails or shared their stories with me at rallies and along rope lines. Their hardship and heartbreak are a reminder that while this crisis is vast, it begins just one house - and one family - at a time.

It begins with a young family - maybe in Mesa, or Glendale, or Tempe - or just as likely in suburban Las Vegas, Cleveland, or Miami. They save up. They search. They choose a home that feels like the perfect place to start a life. They secure a fixed-rate mortgage at a reasonable rate, make a down payment, and make their mortgage payments each month. They are as responsible as anyone could ask them to be.

But then they learn that acting responsibly often isn't enough to escape this crisis. Perhaps someone loses a job in the latest round of layoffs, one of more than three and a half million jobs lost since this recession began - or maybe a child gets sick, or a spouse has his or her hours cut.

In the past, if you found yourself in a situation like this, you could have sold your home and bought a smaller one with more affordable payments. Or you could have refinanced your home at a lower rate. But today, home values have fallen so sharply that even if you made a large down payment, the current value of your mortgage may still be higher than the current value of your house. So no bank will return your calls, and no sale will return your investment.

You can't afford to leave and you can't afford to stay. So you cut back on luxuries. Then you cut back on necessities. You spend down your savings to keep up with your payments. Then you open the retirement fund. Then you use the credit cards. And when you've gone through everything you have, and done everything you can, you have no choice but to default on your loan. And so your home joins the nearly six million others in foreclosure or at risk of foreclosure across the country, including roughly 150,000 right here in Arizona.

But the foreclosures which are uprooting families and upending lives across America are only one part of this housing crisis. For while there are millions of families who face foreclosure, there are millions more who are in no danger of losing their homes, but who have still seen their dreams endangered. They are families who see "For Sale" signs lining the streets. Who see neighbors leave, and homes standing vacant, and lawns slowly turning brown. They see their own homes - their largest single assets - plummeting in value. One study in Chicago found that a foreclosed home reduces the price of nearby homes by as much as 9 percent. Home prices in cities across the country have fallen by more than 25 percent since 2006; in Phoenix, they've fallen by 43 percent.

Even if your neighborhood hasn't been hit by foreclosures, you're likely feeling the effects of the crisis in other ways. Companies in your community that depend on the housing market - construction companies and home furnishing stores, painters and landscapers - they're cutting back and laying people off. The number of residential construction jobs has fallen by more than a quarter million since mid-2006. As businesses lose revenue and people lose income, the tax base shrinks, which means less money for schools and police and fire departments. And on top of this, the costs to a local government associated with a single foreclosure can be as high as $20,000.

The effects of this crisis have also reverberated across the financial markets. When the housing market collapsed, so did the availability of credit on which our economy depends. As that credit has dried up, it has been harder for families to find affordable loans to purchase a car or pay tuition and harder for businesses to secure the capital they need to expand and create jobs.

In the end, all of us are paying a price for this home mortgage crisis. And all of us will pay an even steeper price if we allow this crisis to deepen - a crisis which is unraveling homeownership, the middle class, and the American Dream itself. But if we act boldly and swiftly to arrest this downward spiral, every American will benefit. And that's what I want to talk about today.

The plan I'm announcing focuses on rescuing families who have played by the rules and acted responsibly: by refinancing loans for millions of families in traditional mortgages who are underwater or close to it; by modifying loans for families stuck in sub-prime mortgages they can't afford as a result of skyrocketing interest rates or personal misfortune; and by taking broader steps to keep mortgage rates low so that families can secure loans with affordable monthly payments.

At the same time, this plan must be viewed in a larger context. A lost home often begins with a lost job. Many businesses have laid off workers for a lack of revenue and available capital. Credit has become scarce as the markets have been overwhelmed by the collapse of securities backed by failing mortgages. In the end, the home mortgage crisis, the financial crisis, and this broader economic crisis are interconnected. We cannot successfully address any one of them without addressing them all.

Yesterday, in Denver, I signed into law the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act which will create or save three and a half million jobs over the next two years - including 70,000 in Arizona - doing the work America needs done. We will also work to stabilize, repair, and reform our financial system to get credit flowing again to families and businesses. And we will pursue the housing plan I am outlining today.

Through this plan, we will help between seven and nine million families restructure or refinance their mortgages so they can avoid foreclosure. And we are not just helping homeowners at risk of falling over the edge, we are preventing their neighbors from being pulled over that edge too - as defaults and foreclosures contribute to sinking home values, failing local businesses, and lost jobs.

But I also want to be very clear about what this plan will not do: It will not rescue the unscrupulous or irresponsible by throwing good taxpayer money after bad loans. It will not help speculators who took risky bets on a rising market and bought homes not to live in but to sell. It will not help dishonest lenders who acted irresponsibility, distorting the facts and dismissing the fine print at the expense of buyers who didn't know better. And it will not reward folks who bought homes they knew from the beginning they would never be able to afford. In short, this plan will not save every home.

But it will give millions of families resigned to financial ruin a chance to rebuild. It will prevent the worst consequences of this crisis from wreaking even greater havoc on the economy. And by bringing down the foreclosure rate, it will help to shore up housing prices for everyone. According to estimates by the Treasury Department, this plan could stop the slide in home prices due to neighboring foreclosures by up to $6,000 per home.

Here is how my plan works:

First, we will make it possible for an estimated four to five million currently ineligible homeowners who receive their mortgages through Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac to refinance their mortgages at lower rates.

Today, as a result of declining home values, millions of families are "underwater," which means they owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth. These families are unable to sell their homes, and unable to refinance them. So in the event of a job loss or another emergency, their options are limited.

Right now, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - the institutions that guarantee home loans for millions of middle class families - are generally not permitted to guarantee refinancing for mortgages valued at more than 80 percent of the home's worth. So families who are underwater - or close to being underwater - cannot turn to these lending institutions for help.

My plan changes that by removing this restriction on Fannie and Freddie so that they can refinance mortgages they already own or guarantee. This will allow millions of families stuck with loans at a higher rate to refinance. And the estimated cost to taxpayers would be roughly zero; while Fannie and Freddie would receive less money in payments, this would be balanced out by a reduction in defaults and foreclosures.

I also want to point out that millions of other households could benefit from historically low interest rates if they refinance, though many don't know that this opportunity is available to them - an opportunity that could save families hundreds of dollars each month. And the efforts we are taking to stabilize mortgage markets will help these borrowers to secure more affordable terms, too.

Second, we will create new incentives so that lenders work with borrowers to modify the terms of sub-prime loans at risk of default and foreclosure.

Sub-prime loans - loans with high rates and complex terms that often conceal their costs - make up only 12 percent of all mortgages, but account for roughly half of all foreclosures.

Right now, when families with these mortgages seek to modify a loan to avoid this fate, they often find themselves navigating a maze of rules and regulations but rarely finding answers. Some sub-prime lenders are willing to renegotiate; many aren't. Your ability to restructure your loan depends on where you live, the company that owns or manages your loan, or even the agent who happens to answer the phone on the day you call.

My plan establishes clear guidelines for the entire mortgage industry that will encourage lenders to modify mortgages on primary residences. Any institution that wishes to receive financial assistance from the government, and to modify home mortgages, will have to do so according to these guidelines - which will be in place two weeks from today.

If lenders and homebuyers work together, and the lender agrees to offer rates that the borrower can afford, we'll make up part of the gap between what the old payments were and what the new payments will be. And under this plan, lenders who participate will be required to reduce those payments to no more than 31 percent of a borrower's income. This will enable as many as three to four million homeowners to modify the terms of their mortgages to avoid foreclosure.

So this part of the plan will require both buyers and lenders to step up and do their part. Lenders will need to lower interest rates and share in the costs of reduced monthly payments in order to prevent another wave of foreclosures. Borrowers will be required to make payments on time in return for this opportunity to reduce those payments.

I also want to be clear that there will be a cost associated with this plan. But by making these investments in foreclosure-prevention today, we will save ourselves the costs of foreclosure tomorrow - costs borne not just by families with troubled loans, but by their neighbors and communities and by our economy as a whole. Given the magnitude of these costs, it is a price well worth paying.

Third, we will take major steps to keep mortgage rates low for millions of middle class families looking to secure new mortgages.

Today, most new home loans are backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which guarantee loans and set standards to keep mortgage rates low and to keep mortgage financing available and predictable for middle class families. This function is profoundly important, especially now as we grapple with a crisis that would only worsen if we were to allow further disruptions in our mortgage markets.

Therefore, using the funds already approved by Congress for this purpose, the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve will continue to purchase Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage-backed securities so that there is stability and liquidity in the marketplace. Through its existing authority Treasury will provide up to $200 billion in capital to ensure that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac can continue to stabilize markets and hold mortgage rates down.

We're also going to work with Fannie and Freddie on other strategies to bolster the mortgage markets, like working with state housing finance agencies to increase their liquidity. And as we seek to ensure that these institutions continue to perform what is a vital function on behalf of middle class families, we also need to maintain transparency and strong oversight so that they do so in responsible and effective ways.

Fourth, we will pursue a wide range of reforms designed to help families stay in their homes and avoid foreclosure.

My administration will continue to support reforming our bankruptcy rules so that we allow judges to reduce home mortgages on primary residences to their fair market value - as long as borrowers pay their debts under a court-ordered plan. That's the rule for investors who own two, three, and four homes. It should be the rule for ordinary homeowners too, as an alternative to foreclosure.

In addition, as part of the recovery plan I signed into law yesterday, we are going to award $2 billion in competitive grants to communities that are bringing together stakeholders and testing new and innovative ways to prevent foreclosures. Communities have shown a lot of initiative, taking responsibility for this crisis when many others have not. Supporting these neighborhood efforts is exactly what we should be doing.

Taken together, the provisions of this plan will help us end this crisis and preserve for millions of families their stake in the American Dream. But we must also acknowledge the limits of this plan.

Our housing crisis was born of eroding home values, but also of the erosion of our common values. It was brought about by big banks that traded in risky mortgages in return for profits that were literally too good to be true; by lenders who knowingly took advantage of homebuyers; by homebuyers who knowingly borrowed too much from lenders; by speculators who gambled on rising prices; and by leaders in our nation's capital who failed to act amidst a deepening crisis.

So solving this crisis will require more than resources - it will require all of us to take responsibility. Government must take responsibility for setting rules of the road that are fair and fairly enforced. Banks and lenders must be held accountable for ending the practices that got us into this crisis in the first place. Individuals must take responsibility for their own actions. And all of us must learn to live within our means again.

These are the values that have defined this nation. These are values that have given substance to our faith in the American Dream. And these are the values that we must restore now at this defining moment.

It will not be easy. But if we move forward with purpose and resolve - with a deepened appreciation for how fundamental the American Dream is and how fragile it can be when we fail in our collective responsibilities - then I am confident we will overcome this crisis and once again secure that dream for ourselves and for generations to come.

Thank you, God Bless you, and God bless America.

MESA, Ariz. — President Barack Obama says his $75 billion plan to tackle "a crisis unlike any we've ever known" in home foreclosures is necessary to help save the economy. Obama unveiled the pl...
MESA, Ariz. — President Barack Obama says his $75 billion plan to tackle "a crisis unlike any we've ever known" in home foreclosures is necessary to help save the economy. Obama unveiled the pl...
 
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Heard a clip while driving of Maxine Waters praising the "outstanding leadership of Mr. Franklin Raines" and assuring a congressional committee that there were absolutely "no problems with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae". Gregory Meeks and Bawney Fwank rounded out the Amen chorus.

Yeah, it was a real trip down memory lane.

Good times, good times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 02/18/2009
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She was right.

You are wrong.

AGAIN.

"Bitter Betty"....­. the one fixed point in an ever changing universe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 02/18/2009

It's Barney Fife.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 02/18/2009
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It's nice to have a President who gets shoes as gifts, not used as weapons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 02/18/2009

Raines left with accounting fraud..the­n received a 91 million..h­e should be shot..just another thief that Obama associates with..but they all do..what is going on with this government? Why do we allow this. Richardson, Geithner, Kellefeder, Daschle..I know I'm leaving someone out..and we're supposed to trust these people with our tax dollars..I am disgusted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 02/18/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 255 fans permalink

I'm sure you know this, but Fannie and Freddie did not write a single mortgage or approve a single loan...


Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 02/18/2009

IT IS THE REGULATIONS , STUPID. The bailout is fine, homeowners rescue is helpful, but the US economy in particular will not rise until we get confidence in the financial system. We need to know that big brother IS watching. We need to feel that the Bernie Madoff's of the world cannot get away with fraud. We must feel that government agencies , congressional committees and regulators are armed with new tools and people and will not be afraid to do their jobs: shut down a bank, close down an insurance company, send their executives to jail if and when the particular case demands it. No longer do we feel secure with the history of fraud simply multiplying over the last 20 or so years and where guilty CEOs pay no price, are regularly permitted to hide their booty away from the rightful owners. New regulations are needed, a new spirit of getting rid of malice and pure fraud. Do that for us Mr. President and we will shake off the doldrums and fear and rise again. Give us some assurance that what we work so hard for is respected and protected as much as possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 02/18/2009

Please don't attach the messiah with your forward thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 02/18/2009
- Jezreel I'm a Fan of Jezreel 62 fans permalink
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Bluejay10027 wrote: "Please don't attach the messiah with your forward thinking."

Sorry, but we refuse to be trapped in the backward thinking of the Bush era. And if President Obama represents forward thinking, and 68% of American voters believe he does, then I'm all for him and his policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 02/18/2009
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 576 fans permalink
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the only way to get control over the financial sector is going to be regulation, starting with the replacement of the glass-steagall act. then we can move on to enforcement of antitrust, bringing back ethical accounting standards.

don't forget about the role the ratings houses played in all this. moody's and standard and poor's in particular bear more responsibility for the market chaos than anyone cares to think about. but no one seems interested in talking about them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 02/18/2009
- LKV I'm a Fan of LKV 42 fans permalink

You have hit on a major issue that has been ignored and needs attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 02/18/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 255 fans permalink

No need to get rid of glass seigal/replacement. Everyone hass turned themselves into Banks.. so they are now... all parts of their business, subject to bank regs...

THe FED has been writing new regs for a year

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 02/18/2009
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The world's three biggest credit-rating agencies were close to securing a deal with US regulators yesterday to reform the way in which they assess risk in the wake of America's credit crisis.

Andrew Cuomo, the New York attorney-general, is in the final stages of agreeing a new regime for the rating agencies to try to make them more transparent and less vulnerable to conflicts of interest.

The rating agencies have been criticised for their role in the credit crisis that erupted on Wall Street last summer. The groups, which include Standard & Poor's, Moody's and Fitch, were said to have failed to recognise the increased risk of default of a number of mortgage-backed bonds and of being too slow to alert the market.

The rating agencies are already being investigated by the US Securities and Exchange Commission and by senators in Washington for their role in the credit turmoil on Wall Street.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article4069220.ece

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 02/18/2009
- Dave27 I'm a Fan of Dave27 31 fans permalink

Foolish Republicants.

They spoke out for a plan to stop housing foreclosures. Now, they've decided we shouldn't have one.

Grand Obstructionist Phoneys!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 02/18/2009

You idiots worry about Republican leadership. Who cares? I don't. If you piss off the Republican taxpayer, you are fvcked! Just how difficult is it for your amoeba size brain to figure that out?

I honestly believe that not all of you are peasants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 02/18/2009
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Why are we fvcked? There wont be anymore drive thru at Taco Bell? We will have to greet ourselves at Walmart?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 02/18/2009

The Koolaid is starting to work for ya.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 02/18/2009

"The plan I'm announcing focuses on rescuing families who have played by the rules and acted responsibly: by refinancing loans for millions of families in traditional mortgages who are underwater or close to it; by modifying loans for families stuck in sub-prime mortgages they can't afford as a result of skyrocketing interest rates or personal misfortune; and by taking broader steps to keep mortgage rates low so that families can secure loans with affordable monthly payments."
What SKYROCKETING interests rates is Obama talking about? 30 year Mortgage is under 5%, and many people are able to refinance. So not sure what this means

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 02/18/2009
- Dave27 I'm a Fan of Dave27 31 fans permalink

MAJOR ERROR in your post:

Most are not able to refinance. Millions of mortgage holders now owe more than the value.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 02/18/2009

Millions and Millions and Millions do not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 02/18/2009
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I think he's speaking about loans that had adjustable rates - I think many had outlandish balloons and were adjusted upward to very high rates, rates that increased mortgage payments to levels that people could not afford.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 02/18/2009
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How come you tro//s cannot tell the truth when making an argument?

Most people who have subprime loans have rates much higher that's why they are called subprime loans idjit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 02/18/2009
- Viper I'm a Fan of Viper 255 fans permalink

If your equity is now less than 20% of what you want to refinance, you cant refinance unless yoiu make up that difference.

In my case in order to refinance I would have to put another 135K in down payment (plus 7K in fees) to get the lower interest rate (6.7% to 4.25%).

Under this plan, I get to refinance w/o piutting any more money down. BIG DIFFERENCE. most cant refinance because of needing a NEW downpayment do to drops in housing values by more than the 20% down payment...

Regards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 02/18/2009
- ruffmama I'm a Fan of ruffmama 24 fans permalink
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Those of us that have jobs and are able to pay our mortgages should be thankful for that, not bitter because those who can't are getting help. We are all ultimately in this boat together no matter what our situation is. Personally, I do not want the value of my home to slip any further...­.so I am all for helping people find a way to stay in their homes so that the foreclosures do not keep dragging us down. Many people are in this position through no fault of their own....oth­ers aren't....­it is just one of those pills we have to swallow. Think of it as a sacrifice for the greater good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 02/18/2009
- atila I'm a Fan of atila 54 fans permalink
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Good point

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 02/18/2009
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 576 fans permalink
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good post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 02/18/2009
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Amen. Been saying that all day. Great post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 02/18/2009
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Even for selfish reasons home owners should be for this bill because it will stabilize home prices.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 PM on 02/18/2009

Why would you want to stabilize houses that are over-priced?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 02/18/2009
- katooom I'm a Fan of katooom 18 fans permalink
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Unfair, unfair, unfair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 02/18/2009
- VegasBabe I'm a Fan of VegasBabe 186 fans permalink
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can someone tell me what is up with HP? Comments re Hol.der's ameri.can cowa.rdice remark and the N Y post carto.on story are basically untouc.hab­le? Those are the thre.ads with the real m.eat right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 02/18/2009
- Chillinout I'm a Fan of Chillinout 125 fans permalink
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Heavily mod_erat_ed. ALL posts go pending.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 02/18/2009
- december30 I'm a Fan of december30 24 fans permalink

evidentially you did not read Holders's post with understanding. Americans are cowards when it comes to Race. Please get a grip.

As far as the NY post cartoon story, we should all be shouting that racist cartoom from the roof tops. Again, America does not want to talk about race. It is true and a sore spot for the American people.

Where have you been not to know that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 02/18/2009

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/writedown.asp
Write-Down

What Does Write-Down Mean?
Reducing the book value of an asset because it is overvalued compared to the market value.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 02/18/2009

Does your stupid little brain know what a note is? Do you know what contract law is?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 02/18/2009

Considering my years of experience in the investment industry-it has come up more than once.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 02/18/2009
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Right. And this is the issue with the proposed "cramdown" legislation on the table; i.e., what happens to the difference between the original principal and the markdown to the current market value. According to the legislation, it becomes an unsecured debt obligation. In Chapter 13 unsecured debt can be discharged so there is a discussion around this issue.

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Or in Chapter 13 the unsecured debt can be repaid according to ability; Chapter 7 simply discharges it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 02/18/2009
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And "cram downs" are what is really needed. So far, this plan is just more of the same and not going to help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 02/18/2009

I think we have little choice but to just write it down and let it go. I've heard estimates in the 7 to 10 trillion dollar range I don't think the economy can move forward with that kind of weight hanging over it. Seriously-how is it going to be collected?

I've been waiting to see how the "cramdown" turns out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 02/18/2009
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the majority of this is "paper" money to start with. so it really should be discharged, and be done with it, because truth to tell, that "wealth" never really existed in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 02/18/2009

Thank God HuffPo posters represent .000000003 of the American population.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 02/18/2009
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gotta run my new found friends...­..happy hr approaches­...78 F in TX today and frozen margaritas are very tasty, while sitting on the patio of my favorite mexican joint...se­e ya later...ke­ep the humor flowing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 02/18/2009
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take your time. you wont be missed. laptops bounce. give it a try....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 02/18/2009
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tro//

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 02/18/2009

It is really nice out isnt it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 02/18/2009

Tech bubble = life is great
Housing bubble = life is great
Obama "Chinese money" bailout bubble = life is great.


Life is great.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 02/18/2009
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Bush bubble = Chinese money!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 02/18/2009

Where is Obama's money coming from?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 02/18/2009

Bush bubble = bet the house + don't pay for the war + drive interest rates towards zero + encourage refinancing to pump up consumption+ borrow from the Chinese + Diet Coke + Mentos.

results = an empty bottle of pop in a foreclosed house with a garage full of stuff

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 02/18/2009

Obama is fixing the problems that took Bush 8 years to create, republicans don't enjoy being proven wrong, again and again and again etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 02/18/2009
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Isn't it wonderful, we have a President that is helping the people and at the same time proving the republicans wrong again, again, again, and again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 02/18/2009
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It's disappointing because it's just more subsidies for the banks. This doesn't go far enough. We should not offer them money to charge rates that are in line with the prime rate as close to zero as it will be.

This is not why we elected Obama. This is just more of the same. Giving more money to banks from the taxpayer, rather than helping the taxpayer to help the banks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 02/18/2009
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That is how I read it. It appears that people with under water mortgages should walk away from those homes, because Obama will cover the bank's losses, but not do anything for the borrowers. It seems to me that the best thing to do is nothing. I.e., let borrowers walk and let the banks eat the losses. We can't bail out millions of home owners who bought over priced homes, so why bail the banks either?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 02/18/2009

Keep drinking the Koolaid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 02/18/2009
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Do you have a substantive retort to the assertion.­. or are you simply satisfied with being a pest?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 02/18/2009
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That argument gets weaker every time you say it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 02/18/2009

Took a WHOLE lot longer than 8 years for this mess to happen, and the market correcting itself, the longer we pretend to prop it up and not take the pain...The longer the stagnation will last. Without CONFIDENCE, people dont buy, build or start businesses. We need a Bottom to this thing. Like the stock market, all about confidence in the future. There is little to none now, and unless something drastic happens we can expect a longer recession.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 02/18/2009
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Anyone want to comment on the following quotes from the article?

1) Headlining Obama's plan was a $75 billion Homeowner Stability Initiative

2) The initiative is designed to help up to 5 million borrowers refinance

3) Obama said this change would come at "roughly zero" cost to taxpayers.

There is no free lunch, but now there is free mortgage refinancing for those that cannot afford to pay their mortgage payments?

I am just saying there is something wrong with the numbers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 02/18/2009
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Please say what you think is wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 02/18/2009
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1) Who is paying if it is not costing tax payers any money?

2) $75 billion for 5 million mortgages is an average of $15,000. How does an average of $15,000 over a 30 year mortgage prevent a foreclosure? That is about $45/month.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 02/18/2009
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This is NOT a housing bubble, it is a double pyramid scheme.

Where, I ask, is the market for $300,000 homes? And where are the homes for most folks, whose income has NOT doubled in the past 5 years?

If 85% of folks can afford a home priced between $75,000 and $150,000 why are 85% of homes priced abobe $250,000?

Home prices doubled between 2002 and 2007, did income double during that period?

LOL What kind of business plan is it to build housing for masses of folks who do NOT exist?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 02/18/2009
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Where do you get your numbers? The national median price is $180,000.

NEW YORK, Feb 12 (Reuters) - Prices of existing U.S. single-family homes in the fourth quarter of 2008 dropped 12.4 percent from a year earlier, the National Association of Realtors said on Thursday.

The NAR said distressed sales, or foreclosures and short sales, accounted for 45 percent of transactions in that quarter, dragging down the national median price of existing single-family homes to $180,100.

In the fourth quarter, 134 out of 153 metropolitan statistical areas showed declines in median single-family home prices from the same period in 2007, pulled down by active sales at the lower end that were driven by foreclosures, the NAR said. (Reporting by Julie Haviv, Editing by Chizu Nomiyama)

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinancialServicesAndRealEstateNews/idUSNYS00481920090212

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 02/18/2009

National median price is $180K - but you'd need to stick another few digits on the front for some of the local markets.

Median price is $1.2 million down the road from me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 02/18/2009
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considering you can barely buy a house in california with indoor plumbing for $300K, that's where i'd start looking for the market first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 02/18/2009
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I have friends in San Diego (Rancho Bernardo) who can buy the house they are currently renting for $350K and it's a nice 3BR.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 02/18/2009
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CA housing is a mirage...b­etter to look at the other states...

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