Obama Backs Bush On Bagram Detainees

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NEDRA PICKLER and MATT APUZZO | February 20, 2009 07:48 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration, siding with the Bush White House, contended Friday that detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights.

In a two-sentence court filing, the Justice Department said it agreed that detainees at Bagram Airfield cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detention. The filing shocked human rights attorneys.

"The hope we all had in President Obama to lead us on a different path has not turned out as we'd hoped," said Tina Monshipour Foster, a human rights attorney representing a detainee at the Bagram Airfield. "We all expected better."

The Supreme Court last summer gave al-Qaida and Taliban suspects held at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the right to challenge their detention. With about 600 detainees at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan and thousands more held in Iraq, courts are grappling with whether they, too, can sue to be released.

Three months after the Supreme Court's ruling on Guantanamo Bay, four Afghan citizens being detained at Bagram tried to challenge their detentions in U.S. District Court in Washington. Court filings alleged that the U.S. military had held them without charges, repeatedly interrogating them without any means to contact an attorney. Their petition was filed by relatives on their behalf since they had no way of getting access to the legal system.

The military has determined that all the detainees at Bagram are "enemy combatants." The Bush administration said in a response to the petition last year that the enemy combatant status of the Bagram detainees is reviewed every six months, taking into consideration classified intelligence and testimony from those involved in their capture and interrogation.

After Barack Obama took office, a federal judge in Washington gave the new administration a month to decide whether it wanted to stand by Bush's legal argument. Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd says the filing speaks for itself.

"They've now embraced the Bush policy that you can create prisons outside the law," said Jonathan Hafetz, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union who has represented several detainees.

The Justice Department argues that Bagram is different from Guantanamo Bay because it is in an overseas war zone and the prisoners there are being held as part of a military action. The government argues that releasing enemy combatants into the Afghan war zone, or even diverting U.S. personnel there to consider their legal cases, could threaten security.

The government also said if the Bagram detainees got access to the courts, it would allow all foreigners captured by the United States in conflicts worldwide to do the same.

It's not the first time that the Obama administration has used a Bush administration legal argument after promising to review it. Last week, Attorney General Eric Holder announced a review of every court case in which the Bush administration invoked the state secrets privilege, a separate legal tool it used to have lawsuits thrown out rather than reveal secrets.

The same day, however, Justice Department attorney Douglas Letter cited that privilege in asking an appeals court to uphold dismissal of a suit accusing a Boeing Co. subsidiary of illegally helping the CIA fly suspected terrorists to allied foreign nations that tortured them.

Letter said that Obama officials approved his argument.

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration, siding with the Bush White House, contended Friday that detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights. In a two-sentence court filing, the Justic...
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration, siding with the Bush White House, contended Friday that detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights. In a two-sentence court filing, the Justic...
 
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- Bernique I'm a Fan of Bernique 51 fans permalink

When you're an Empire, rules and laws don't apply. Ask Napoleon Bonaparte.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 02/21/2009
- Luvial I'm a Fan of Luvial 17 fans permalink

Every news staory seems to start with:

"Obama Backs Bush On..." fill-in-the-blank

Obama=Bush

Although, Obama is even making "Bush the Implaer" look competent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 02/21/2009

That's true if you're only capable of reading headlines which are designed to get you to read the full stories. However, it's clear that you don't even bother reading the actual stories.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 02/21/2009
- Kartoffel I'm a Fan of Kartoffel 9 fans permalink

Closing Gitmo is similar to Starbuck's closing down an underperforming store. After the store is closed Starbuck's usual business continues exactly as before, just not at that store. Bagram is one of the Starbuck's that will remain open. It's in a better location than Gitmo. More foot traffic, more customers, cheaper rents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 02/21/2009
- dutch163 I'm a Fan of dutch163 33 fans permalink
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I say..wait and see...
Bagram is not Gitmo
my first thought was....maybe there is a reason why..I will wait for explanations

it has only been one month
a heck of a lot is going on
and this new President has done a lot in one month that is positive!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 02/21/2009
- jhw22 I'm a Fan of jhw22 27 fans permalink

I agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 02/21/2009
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While it may certainly be true that "enhanced" techniques were "auditioned" in a number of facilities around the world, the important thing is that those techniques are being abandoned by the administration as they are inhumane, in violation of international agreements, and ineffective.

Keeping the prison at Bagram open does not necessarily mean that standards of treatment will remain the same.

Let's give the president some time to suss this all out, folks. So many of us seem to (maybe through an active willingness) forget that there are indeed some baddies out there that would love to do us harm. Handling dangerous people in a responsible (and humane) way is not a simple proposition.

Don't know about you, but I'm not anxiously anticipating the arrival at my house of a former Gitmo or Bagram guest. I do have a spare sofa in the basement, but...

http://TheSnarkingLot.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 02/21/2009

No, Bagram is much worse than Gitmo. The interrogation enhancement techniques employed in Abu Ghraib were pioneered in Bagram. I recommend you see Taxi to the Dark Side to get an idea of the full extent of the atrocities perpetrated in Bagram. Take for example, the story of a young innocent man who had his legs crushed by a group of marines and died shortly after the beating. That place is hell and it is a travesty that Obama has allowed this to continue.

And no, let's not wait and hear what he has to say. That's a Big Brother style mentality. We have to be actively challenging Obama so he and his administration remains accountable. Otherwise we are going to have the same situation that occurred in 2003 when everyone said we should let the President act because otherwise it would be unpatriotic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 02/21/2009
- KofTX I'm a Fan of KofTX 26 fans permalink
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You don't even know all of the facts and you're so up and ready to challenge something.
The bottom line is that the Geneva Conventions are clear about international conflicts and what to to about enemy combatants. Obama did the right thing by not giving these detainees U.S. Constitutional rights. This IS NOT ABOUT TORTURE. IT IS ABOUT DUE PROCESS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 02/21/2009
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wow Taxi to the Dark Side? that sounds legit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 02/22/2009

So freakin depressing. We were all warned during the GE that he would never follow though on all these promises ... that he was saying whatever the hell it took to get elected. SAD

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 02/21/2009
- Wuzzup I'm a Fan of Wuzzup 6 fans permalink

Hear that noise? That's the sound made as the heads of Gullible Progressives explode Nationwide!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 02/21/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 299 fans permalink

You really don't understand liberals, do you?

Let's hear what Obama has to say about this.

Is this a technical maneuver on the way to getting the detainees hearings and trials?

If's it just more of the same Bush Rendition and torture BS,

You can bet we Liberals will give Obama as much trouble as we gave LBJ.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 02/21/2009
- jsob I'm a Fan of jsob 2 fans permalink

One valid criticism of Bush was that he reflectively dismissed Clinton’s policies. Now too many seem to believe that Obama should behave the same way. Some of Bush’s policies could, by intent or coincidence, be worthwhile.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 02/21/2009
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indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 02/21/2009

bluto!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 02/21/2009
- Gunga-Din I'm a Fan of Gunga-Din 7 fans permalink
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No change?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 02/21/2009

I just can't believe this. Why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 02/21/2009
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this goes to show that the decision to to close gitmo was all a political show. Atleast we know where the 250 prisoners are going to be heading. You guys were duped into thinking the Obama administration was going to change course when it came to terrorist detainees.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 02/21/2009
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...SAY IT AIN'T SO JOE !
APPARENTLY NO DIFFERANCE
BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 02/21/2009
- momof3inGA I'm a Fan of momof3inGA 9 fans permalink
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Spell check is a good thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 02/21/2009
- offred I'm a Fan of offred 61 fans permalink

Hey, guys, there are a suspicious number of "Obama's Department of Justice" decisions being publicized, without an actual quote from Obama, the press secretary, or the attorney general. That, plus the fact that the articles were released on a weekend, makes me really nervous. The right- and left-wing blogs and the progressive blogs seem to be going bananas over the Bagram article and the e-mail lawsuits article. This means 48 hours of turmoil and divisiveness being stirred up. Is anyone else concerned?



I'll believe it when I hear it from an actual Obama person, not a retread Bush mole.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 02/21/2009
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I hadn't made the weekend connection. You're right, it's very interesting.

I still think the case should come to trial. A judicial opinion is far more compelling to future generations then a presidential policy would be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 02/21/2009

I agree with you. One good thing coming out of this uproar is Congress and Obama will know that the public really wants justice served. In that sense, maybe these 2 accusatory articles will serve a good purpose. The American public has to demand justice, or it won't happen, because these touchy subjects carry a huge political risk to a new admin trying to push through a purposeful agenda during crises. However, since the Repubs are boycotting Obama's agenda anyway, he really has nothing to lose, and everything to gain by seeking justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 02/21/2009

All governments and political parties use similar methods for managing bad news.

Traditionally, bad news that must be covered, is dumped on Fridays.
Bad news is best delivered by small people, down the chain of command....so it is less newsworthy.
SOP

This stuff is real.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12280

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 02/21/2009
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Tough pill to swallow, huh? get used to it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 02/21/2009
- KofTX I'm a Fan of KofTX 26 fans permalink
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The media is sensational by nature.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 02/21/2009
- offred I'm a Fan of offred 61 fans permalink

Hey, guys, there are a suspicious number of "Obama's Department of Justice" decisions being publicized, without an actual quote from Obama, the press secretary, or the attorney general. That, plus the fact that the articles were released on a weekend, makes me really nervous. The right- and left-wing blogs and the progressive blogs seem to be going bananas over the Bagram article and the e-mail lawsuits article. This means 48 hours of turmoil and divisiveness being stirred up. Is anyone else concerned?

I'll believe it when I hear it from an actual Obama person, not a retread Bush mole.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 02/21/2009
- Sandmann I'm a Fan of Sandmann 6 fans permalink
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OK, I voted to get President Obama elected, and I'm not getting what the big fuss about this decision is. For those that are opposed to having any troops deployed in the middle east whatsoever, this objection about Bagram Airfield makes sense. For those who believe that the need to have troops in Afghanistan is necessary for whatever reason...then those captured in military operations are actually Prisoners of War not permanent detainees--in a secret prison-- in another country. Take a few minutes to peruse the Geneva Convention relative to the treatment of Prisoners of War:

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm

Until President Obama violates Geneva convention rules, there are no legs to this arguement. President G.W. Bush violated the Geneva Convention rules without question, President Obama hasn't even begun any significant operations in Afghanistan yet. Now we are looking at the situation like taking P.O.W.'s = illegal detention (what are you supposed to do with P.O.W.'s otherwise?). Put them in court you say? No, not until the battle in that particular country (Afghanistan) is finished. It's not as though he's encompassed the War on Terror free-for-all (any country we bag a combatant from gets sent to Camp "Shady St. Elsewhere"). President Bush has taken a necessary element of war and made it into something sinister, I wouldn't start getting worked up until whatever happens in Afghanistan either confirms or alleviates our fears.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 02/21/2009

"Obama hasn't even begun any significant operations in Afghanistan yet"

11 innocent civilians were killed today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 02/21/2009
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redhot:

At least 20,000 troops to be deployed ....plus hugely expanded air strikes into Pakistan the last few days into places Bush would not go.

Obama allows Abu Ghraib stay open and get a facelift, Obama maintains the Bush administration's position that battlefield detainees can be held indefinitely without charges by the United States which has all happened in the last 48 hours. I'll bet my "65" Mustang that Gismo won’t close either.

Among the other egregious oversights is no provision whatsoever in the stimulus for New Orleans? WTF?

This is not what I voted for. Some can twist the context of these current events in their own minds as to begin making them sound like conservatives. I don’t get it and I'm tired of trying too.

TS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 02/21/2009
- Firbolg I'm a Fan of Firbolg 44 fans permalink
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What "war" are they "prisoners" of? The MNF is in support of the government to establish order and maintain peace. Local laws, not the Geneva Convention should apply. When the army captured militiants in N. Ireland they were handed over to the police and prosecuted throught the criminal justice system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 02/21/2009
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It's not legal to release enemy combatants into local custody if you have reason to believe that they will be mistreated or even killed, which is a very realistic possibility if you hand over captured Taliban to local government authorities. The best term that applies in this situation is unlawful enemy combatant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 02/21/2009
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Sandmann,

I was diving deep into your response until I got to...."President G.W. Bush violated the Geneva Convention rules without question". IMO George Bush was a complete failure and as an Obama supporter and realist, please tell us your bona fides, source material and footnotes to back up your statement of fact that is nothing more than assumption, no?

No right or wrong answer here Sand, I have limited time to peruse while on R&R and just trying to separate the “Live or is it Memorex” dynamic.

I'll be looking for the information and thanking you in advance.

TS

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 02/21/2009
- KofTX I'm a Fan of KofTX 26 fans permalink
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I went to bed making this argument with the Left ideologues...they just refuse to accept reality. Or even practicality

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 02/22/2009
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