Rick Santelli Gets Schooled By Press, White House

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February 20, 2009 10:35 AM

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MSNBC's First Read offers this brief item, following up on CNBC's Rick Santelli's awesome plan to lead the gentry on a pitchfork-'n'-torch battle with a bunch of Straw Men who had foolishly added imaginary bathrooms to their homes:

TODAY had on CNBC ranter Rick Santelli to debate the merits with colleague Steve Liesman, who penned a favorable review of Obama's plan yesterday in the New York Daily News. Pressed for real solutions, Santelli offered none.

Yes. Well, of course he offered no "real solutions." He would have to know something about what he's talking about for that to happen. But, silver lining, I suppose, because Santelli's got everyone under the sun stepping forward to clarify: NO, WE AREN'T GIVING OUT MONEY TO FOOLS.

As John Yang, reporting this morning from the White House, clarifies:

YANG: The program really is not aimed at helping people who can't pay their mortgages, who are unable for other reasons -- may have bought too much house, bought too much -- taken out too much mortgage. They acknowledge some of those people may be swept up, but this program is aimed at preventable foreclosures, people who have gotten into trouble through no fault of their own, because their home value has dropped, they've lost a job and run into financial strains. They point out it's not in the interest of the commercial business interest of the mortgage lenders to refinance or restructure loans for people who bought too much house, because they're just going to have to eventually foreclose on those houses later, when home values have dropped even more. So, it's in their interest to foreclose now. They almost admit they can't save everybody, that some people will be losing their homes, but they say this is aimed and targeted at preventable mortgages, people in trouble through no fault of their own, Tamron.

Simon Johnson of the New Republic also is blessed with a basic understanding of what the White House wants to do:

One of the strong points of the plan is that it attempts to assist both homeowners at risk of foreclosure and homeowners who are not at risk of foreclosure, but are constrained by high mortgage payments. For the former group, the program combines cash incentives for lenders to modify loans with additional cash incentives for borrowers. However, whether or not to modify a loan remains subject to lender discretion, and it is impossible to say whether the incentives will be sufficient to get the lenders to loosen up the way they should. There is also relatively little insurance on offer for modified loans outside the Fannie/Freddie safety net.


Still, a definite advantage of the plan is that it should help unblock the problem of securitization trusts. Housing loans that were "bundled" together into mortgage-backed securities have been hard to restructure, because no one has clear authority to negotiate on behalf of thousands of dispersed investors, particularly when there were multiple tranches or complex structures. For loans that have been securitized, the loan servicers who administer the mortgage can now be pressed by their regulators to modify loans. The proposed coordinated approach by regulators on this issue is long overdue.

The plan also offers meaningful assistance to those not immediately facing foreclosure, primarily by allowing people to borrow more (relative to the value of their house) when refinancing into lower-rate government-backed mortgages. Effectively, it is now easier to qualify for a refinancing, and that should leave homeowners with more available income for consumption (or saving). At the same time, substantial additional money will increase the capacity of Fannie and Freddie to buy mortgages, which theoretically will increase liquidity and reduce mortgage rates. However, the plan represents a step back from the more ambitious proposals to force mortgage rates down by guaranteeing Fannie/Freddie debt (Krugman) or funneling low-rate funding from Treasury to Fannie/Freddie (Hubbard and Mayer), or offering direct government mortgages (Feldstein).

As the excerpt indicates, Johnson is of the opinion that the Obama plan is an "insufficiently bold" one, making it likely that he'd be a better debate partner for Santelli than Steve Liesman -- at least in principle. Anyway, thus endeth the Revolution.

MSNBC's First Read offers this brief item, following up on CNBC's Rick Santelli's awesome plan to lead the gentry on a pitchfork-'n'-torch battle with a bunch of Straw Men who had foolishly added imag...
MSNBC's First Read offers this brief item, following up on CNBC's Rick Santelli's awesome plan to lead the gentry on a pitchfork-'n'-torch battle with a bunch of Straw Men who had foolishly added imag...
 
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 03/01/2009

Santelli is right.... you socialists are wrong...
I don't want to pay for my neighbors stupidity.­.. but you can - I think people who like the bail out of mortgages plan should donate 10% of their income to a special fund to help the stupid ones...

Three contractors are bidding to fix a broken fence at the White House. One is from Chicago, another is from Tennessee, and the third is from Minnesota.

All three go with a White House official to examine the fence. The Minnesota contractor takes out a tape measure and does some measuring, then works some figures with a pencil. "Well," he says, "I figure the job will run about $900: $400 for materials, $400 for my crew and $100 profit for me."
The Tennessee contractor also does some measuring and figuring, then says, "I can do this job for $700: $300 for materials, $300 for my crew and $100 profit for me."
The Chicago contractor doesn't measure or figure, but leans over to the White House official and whispers, "$2,700."
The official, incredulous, says, "You didn't even measure like the other guys! How did you come up with such a high figure?"
The Chicago contractor whispers back, "$1,000 for me, $1,000 for you, and we hire the guy from Tennessee to fix the fence."
"Done!" replies the government official.
And that, my friends, is how the new stimulus plan will work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 02/23/2009
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I want to put some blame back onto the banks who gave out these suspect loans. To do so I've come up with an analogy:

A man named Joe the Average Home Owner, who loves hamburgers, has a heart condition and goes to see Dr. Banker. Dr. Banker says Joe needs a heart transplant. Joe says, "OK, doc. I trust you. You're a highly trained doctor." Dr. Banker performs the transplant, but Joe dies. Turns out Dr. Banker put a spleen in where Joe's heart should have been. Dr. Banker then says, "Well, this never would have happened if he didn't eat those hamburgers!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 02/22/2009
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These guys need to be handed their pink slips and try to figure out how they're going to take care of their families and keep their homes. Only if you're working 2 jobs to keep above water and wouldn't take advantage of a life saver would you have the right to say these things and be so ignorant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 02/21/2009
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Santelli's (& Kramer's, & similar bloviators) emotive influence on finance certainly appeals to dimwits and scammers who are already prone to speculation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 02/21/2009
- ICU1225 I'm a Fan of ICU1225 2 fans permalink

Republicans should be forbidden to use this word again when referencing the UNITED States of America

u·nit·ed (y-ntd)
adj.
1. Combined into a single entity.
2. Concerned with, produced by, or resulting from mutual action.
3. Being in harmony; agreed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 02/21/2009
- learntofly I'm a Fan of learntofly 231 fans permalink
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I for one am getting sick of CNBC's rants-for-ratings philosophy. With a weak and sensitive stock market, I see them as possibly lowering my stock value.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 02/21/2009
- teepeeyoyo I'm a Fan of teepeeyoyo 8 fans permalink
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Possibly? How about certainly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 02/21/2009

Note Learntofly's total lack of human compassion: "With a weak and sensitive stock market, I see them as possibly lowering my stock value."

People by the MILLIONS are being tossed out of the street, and all this guy can think of is his stock portfolio. Let me get out my tiny, tiny violin.

Fact is, your arrogance, greed, and selfishness have been the cause of your lowering stock values.
You fools simply overgrazed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 02/21/2009
- AnnfromCA I'm a Fan of AnnfromCA 173 fans permalink

Santelli's remarks hit home in a big way, because he's dead right. While the focus is on foreclosed homes, there's another problem with devastated retirement funds.

Gibbs can talk back, but I'm glad Santelli hollared about this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 02/21/2009

Actually, he's dead wrong, he just happens to agree with you, so you loved his whiny little uninformed rant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 02/21/2009
- 4 Real I'm a Fan of 4 Real 59 fans permalink
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I'm glad Santelli hollered about it too because he got called out on why he's wrong. So although these rants make the news, the white house is hitting back with facts and exposing these nitwits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 02/21/2009
- GranE I'm a Fan of GranE 15 fans permalink

Santelli is using talking points from the RNC that's all. The real truth is that the people who got in over their heads in the RE market have already moved out of those homes and turned in the keys. That is why the house is EMPTY, with a Foreclosed sign on it. We need to help the ones who have lost their jobs and their family will be out on the street, after many years of playing by the rules. We suspect that many credit cards were hilted up during high gas prices. Average family paid $800 per month over previous years when gas was lower. Let's not forget about the greedy traders in oil futures who put so many families at risk just to get to work. Nobody pulled the plug on them either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 02/21/2009

You are right. Rick is a very astute CBOT (Chicago Board of Trade) US Bond, Bill and Note trader. He works and lives in Chicago. Having watched CNBC from near its inception be advised that when Santelli and Liesman argue it is a daily producers ploy to otherwise spice up a segment of Squawk Box.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 02/21/2009
- Nyla785 I'm a Fan of Nyla785 9 fans permalink

Odd to see all those doing well complaining about how they have to help someone else. A very Republican leftover. And right wing media is carrying 24/7 , as usual, whipping up division and resentment. Does right wing media EVER do anything that helps America??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 02/21/2009

Nope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 02/21/2009
- johnie2xs I'm a Fan of johnie2xs 61 fans permalink
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It is so nice to see that loud mouth SOB taken down a few notches.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 02/21/2009
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This SOB is clearly substituting Value with Volume!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 02/21/2009
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I am a homeowner following all the rules. I live in the Inland Empire in CA. (the foreclosure rate is leading the country). On my block there are 3 foreclosure signs, on the surrounding street/cul-de-sac there is an average of 4 to 6 foreclosed homes, and today my house is worth less than I paid for it. So, am I interested in increasing my property value by saving/helping my neighbor - you bet! This Santelli guy is tool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 02/20/2009
- tralfas I'm a Fan of tralfas 11 fans permalink

Then go help your neighbor. Don't wait for gov't to do.

I am also a homeowner following the rules. My house is likely worth less than what I paid for, like my 401K. By I am not waiting for bailout because in 20 years, my house will be paid for, so I could car less what it is worth today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 02/21/2009

Well that's your situation, but if you look at the stats and not just your own balance sheet, there are people that have followed the rules, do not have your financial situation to pay off their house.

So kudos to you for helping yourself but no points for being so self-centered to know that everyone is not like you and they DO deserve the help from their government for other so-called homeowners that should not have been homeowners to begin with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 02/21/2009
- pros54 I'm a Fan of pros54 6 fans permalink

Do you realize your situation is not the same as the other persons? You are not waiting on the government - good for you -but do not push that on others. How do you make your money? I did not want to ask you that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 02/21/2009
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Where was Santelli when Bush gave Wall street and the banks almost a trillion dollars. Was he ranting then. In his little world he constructed for himself, these people who bought these houses they could not afford should live in the street, well what about the banks who knew better but yet lent the money? Shouldn't they be in the streets, should he be in the street.

I say lets start repoing yachts and mansions to pay for all of this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 02/20/2009
- tralfas I'm a Fan of tralfas 11 fans permalink

Santelli was against it. Watch the video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-1g0OZJIdk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 02/20/2009
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I watched the clip and he said he didn't know either way. He never called the Wallstreet bankers who created this mess losers. He never said let those who can carry the water carry it and let those who drink die of thirst. Your video proves he's a hypocrite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 02/21/2009
- tralfas I'm a Fan of tralfas 11 fans permalink

I read the bill, or the lame outline currently available that references future guidelines.

Where is the requirement that a recipient of this aid must have put down at least 20% in a cash down payment on their home? Anyone who put zero down on a house is just a renter. Unless I missed it, I didn't see any proposal to help renters who thru no fault of their own are unable to pay their rent. They get evicted, but someone who rolled the dice on the real estate market and put no money down gets a bailout.

By the way, this has to be approved by the Congress, no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 02/20/2009

NO. The people that rolled are not going to get a bailout. NOT. Do you want to believe in the worst or are you really doing research?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 02/21/2009
- tralfas I'm a Fan of tralfas 11 fans permalink

Show me that in the plan. I read it and there is no requirement that the home renter put 20% cash equity into the home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 02/21/2009
- Ddayv825 I'm a Fan of Ddayv825 4 fans permalink

Dear Mom,
I think I saw Santa on TV. He said he will not come to our house this year but he may buy it if he can.
And that can be good , right ?
Santabelly really made me laugh, all loud and red and everything. The gnomey lookin elves around him, whistlin and shriekin like lttle girls just made him get redder. It was real funny .I think he's just mad that he's not stuffing his sack with the million he's so used to making . The little elves got less droppings , i guess. So i'm sure it's not like Christmas past when all the booty was being stuffed in Santabelly's sack. Remember Ma , you gave him some, you had that stocking broker or something who told that you were silly to keep it in the bank ? Then you would not have to work so hard anymore ? I remember Ma.
Then something happened and you had to get money on your house ? I think all those people gave some money to Santabelly too. He was still loud and red but not mad. Maybe we should have listened to the old president and gave Santabelly your SS money- that would make Santabelly happy. I am going to write Santabelly a letter---I just don't know what address to give him for next Christmas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 02/20/2009
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I forgot to mention how much I would love to know Senteri's profile from the age of 18 and up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 02/20/2009
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