The Myth Of The Filibuster: Dems Can't Make Republicans Talk All Night

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February 23, 2009 10:06 AM

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Hoping for a C-SPAN spectacle of GOP obstruction, some impatient Democrats are urging Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) to call Republicans on their filibuster bluff.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) made a plea typical of the genre, recently telling Politico that Reid should force Republicans into a filibustering talk-a-thon, "so that the American people can see who's undermining action."

By threatening a filibuster, the shrunken bloc of 41 GOP senators has just enough members to prevent a vote, requiring Democrats to make concessions to pick off a few moderate Republicans.

Reid has heard the calls. But his answer will surely disappoint: Sorry. It can't happen.

Reid's office has studied the history of the filibuster and analyzed what options are available. The resulting memo was provided to the Huffington Post and it concludes that a filibustering Senator "can be forced to sit on the [Senate] floor to keep us from voting on that legislation for a finite period of time according to existing rules but he/she can't be forced to keep talking for an indefinite period of time."

Bob Dove, who worked as a Senate parliamentarian from 1966 until 2001, knows Senate rules as well as anyone on the planet. The Reid analysis, he says, is "exactly correct."

To get an idea of what the scene would look like on the Senate floor if Democrats tried to force Republicans to talk out a filibuster, turn on C-SPAN on any given Saturday. Hear the classical music? See the blue carpet behind the "Quorum Call" logo? That would be the resulting scene if Democrats forced a filibuster and the GOP chose not to play along.

As both Reid's memo and Dove explain, only one Republican would need to monitor the Senate floor. If the majority party tried to move to a vote, he could simply say, "I suggest the absence of a quorum."

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The presiding officer would then be required to call the roll. When that finished, the Senator could again notice the absence of a quorum and start the process all over. At no point would the obstructing Republican be required to defend his position, read from the phone book or any of the other things people associate with the Hollywood version of a filibuster.

"You cannot force senators to talk during a filibuster," says Dove. "Delay in the Senate is not difficult and, frankly, the only way to end it is through cloture."

And cloture requires 60 votes. Democrats, short of Minnesota's Al Franken, have 58.

But what about Strom Thurmond?

The legendary opponent of Civil Rights famously talked through the night in an attempt to block the Civil Rights Act. It's the example routinely raised by proponents of the make-them-talk strategy because it's such a delicious political image for progressives: the embodiment of racism, literally standing in the way of the march of morality. It draws a line and forces the public to choose a side. Democrats, who feel the political winds at their backs, want a repeat.

But if Thurmond's speech wasn't necessary to stall Senate business, why'd he talk all night?

"He just wanted to make a point," says Dove. "He chose to keep talking."

It may have made Thurmond a demon in the eyes of history, but in the South, his filibuster vaulted him to the legendary status he retains today. He eventually ran out of gas and Civil Rights proponents carried the vote.

Yet they succeeded, says Dove, not because Thurmond eventually stopped talking, but because they already had the votes.

When the majority doesn't have the votes, it doesn't go well. Since Thurmond, says Dove, the only time the majority tried to jam a bill through the Senate without having 60 votes ahead of time ended in failure.

Robert Byrd, a Democrat from West Virginia, was majority leader in 1988, when Democrats controlled 54 seats and wanted to push through campaign finance reform.

But Republican minority leader Alan Simpson of Wyoming was easily able to block it by sitting on the Senate floor and occasionally noting the absence of a quorum, thwarting a vote.

"Alan Simpson basically guarded the floor and the other Republicans simply went home," says Dove.

Byrd, fed up and deprived of the spectacle of non-stop-speechifying, ordered the sergeant-at-arms to arrest Sen. Bob Packwood (R-OR) and physically carry him to the Senate floor so he could be counted in a quorum call. Such a move is within the legal right of a majority leader, but it backfired when the sergeant-at-arms accidentally injured the 6'6", 235-pound Packwood.

Byrd and Senate Democrats eventually gave up. "I don't like to do things on a win-lose basis. I would rather say that we apparently have prevailed," Simpson boasted at the time.

Dove concurs with Simpson's political scorekeeping. "It was almost a farce," says Dove. "The bottom line is the bill never passed."

UPDATE: Several readers have asked to see the memo itself. I'm pasting it below. Also, some readers have raised interesting points about the details of the parliamentary procedures involved. I'll follow up soon with answers to those questions.

The memo:

How Cloture Rule Allows Minority To Block Legislation Without "Actual Filibustering"

Under the 1917 rules change the very nature of the filibuster changed. Whereas before any Senator could block any bill by simply talking, this was no longer true. A cloture motion could stop a Senator from talking. At the same time the addition of this procedure added the ability of the minority to block bills without filibustering merely by voting against cloture.

Since the 1950's true filibusters (i.e. Standing on the floor and talking for ever), have been used, more often than not to delay the inevitable, or to block last minute action that the minority party does not like. For example the when Strom Thurmond filibuster the Civil Rights Act of 1957 for 24 hours 18 minutes, the bill was eventually passed.

The last modern filibuster occurred in 2003 over some Judicial nominations. Harry Reid held the floor for nine hours where he read Searchlight (his first book) and I am not kidding, discussed the relative virtues of wooden matches.

Very technically if a single Senator wanted to employ every delay tactic possible, he could stall a single piece of legislation for a week and hold the Senate hostage, not allowing them to conduct any other business. This is basically the threat of the hold. Then the Senate needs to determine first will the Senator carry out the threat, can they be bought off, or is the bill worth a week of the Senates times. Hence a lot of important but minor bills get killed this way.

The byproduct of the cloture rule changes in 1917 and 1974 is you need to invoke cloture to proceed to a bill. Senators don't have to speak to vote against cloture. If you can't get 60, you can't move it to the floor. On the motion to proceed, if a Republican chose to get up they can speak about any topic they want, or they can sit down and begin an endless series of quorum calls. Or they can begin motions to proceed on their own set of bills.

Basically there is no way to force a Senator to speak or vote on any particular bill and if you can't get 60 you can't proceed to final passage.

The "PR Value" Of Making The Minority "Filibuster" For An Indefinite Period Of Time

It's true that if the Majority Leader doesn't file a cloture motion to cut off debate on the floor, the opponents of the bill which the Senate is on can continue to debate on it indefinitely. However, as mentioned in my previous email it will still not force them to do any kind of actual filibustering by forcing them to talk for unlimited hours (like we have seen in the movies).

Again, if someone wants to obstruct a specific piece of legislation, he/she can be forced to sit on the floor to keep us from voting on that legislation for a finite period of time according to existing rules but he/she can't be forced to keep talking for an indefinite period of time.

As explained above a Senator doesn't need to talk for an indefinite period of time to sustain a "filibuster" under existing rules. All he or she has to do is suggest the absence of a quorum when no one has any more to say on the specific legislation he or she is trying to delay. If someone comes in and wants to speak to give that Senator a hand, he lets them call off the quorum and speak and then he puts another quorum call in. It only takes one member to keep that going, he/she can have colleagues spell them and work in shifts just making sure that if no one is speaking then the chair doesn't put the question, i.e. begin the vote on the amendment, by putting in a quorum call.

So, if anyone was expecting a Republican Senator could have been forced to stay up and speak for hours if not days obstructing the auto legislations or any other bill would most likely have been disappointed since it was a good bet that the Republican conference would have coordinated and keep the quorum calls going. As a result, the public would not see the Republicans out there filibustering they'd see a quorum call or, since after the first three hours of each day debate no longer has to be germane to the pending business, they may see a Republican senator speaking about anything they want.

So not sure how much of a PR value is there not filing cloture to cut off debate. If anyone thinks there would be a show for the networks for hours/days they would have been disappointed because after couple of hours the only thing for network and news media for cover would be some quorum calls.

Hoping for a C-SPAN spectacle of GOP obstruction, some impatient Democrats are urging Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) to call Republicans on their filibuster bluff. House Majority Leader St...
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Nuclear option. The republicans tossed that around to get their way when they had only a marginal majority, and the Democrats caved. Instead of looking to explain why the cave-in is necessary, how about growing some republican-sized balls and feed them a dose of their own medicine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 02/24/2009
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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You forgot, you're talking about the DEMS here

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 02/24/2009

If it's "balls" you want in a Senate Majority Leader, then how about Sen. Boxer. SHE has "balls".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 02/24/2009
- Yarrr I'm a Fan of Yarrr 8 fans permalink

How long must we suffer under the wimpiness of Harry Reid?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 02/24/2009
- afgail I'm a Fan of afgail 64 fans permalink

Why not turn the filibuster on its head. Let the democrats observe the absence of a quorum and then control the floor by extolling the bill and castigating the GOP. The congress has to prune back on ON EXTREME MINORITY RULE. The rights of the minority have to be protected, but a small band of malcontenets should not be allowed to thwart the majority representing the majority of voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 02/24/2009
- Dink I'm a Fan of Dink permalink

Today we have 24/7 news coverage... If the American people saw that it was the Republicans who were calling for "cloture" and coming back every time to STOP the senate.... maybe just maybe....we would let people see who is full of HOT AIR!

We are letting three Republicans decide the fate of this country...not the majority of the Senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 02/24/2009
- Horus45 I'm a Fan of Horus45 35 fans permalink
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Then why did Bill Frist threaten the "Nuclear Option" of using a Simple Majority to pass bills blocked by Democratic Filibusters?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 02/24/2009
- Johnbo I'm a Fan of Johnbo 4 fans permalink

The Democrats just don't know how to play hardball. When they were in the minority they CAVED to threats of the "nuclear option" (end the filibuster rule) from the Re THUG LIE CONS and backed off using it to stop judicial appointments. It made me sick to watch two Reich-wing Re THUG LIE CON judges go on the Supreme Court without a stand by the Democrats.

But, when the tables turned and the Democrats took over both houses of Congress (albeit, by slim margins), the Re THUG LIE CONS set a new, all-time record in the use of the filibuster when they were in the minority. That's right, the same crowd that had threatened to kill the filibuster when the Democrats just THOUGHT about using it used the filibuster TWICE the previous record!!! And now, when the Re THUG LIE CONS filibuster at every turn, the Democrats seem incapable of giving them a taste of their own medicine.

God, they're a bunch of limp-wristed wimps. Can we get someone with some cojones in the leadership???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 02/24/2009
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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If you're looking for cojones, you'll have to join the RETHUG party.

That's "one" thing they're "NOT" lacking in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 02/24/2009
- Agent420 I'm a Fan of Agent420 50 fans permalink
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That is all they have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 02/24/2009
- DuPageDem I'm a Fan of DuPageDem 23 fans permalink

Excuses, excuses. Senate rules weren't handed down on stone tablets by Charlton Heston. The majority writes the rules. So change them. Require the obstructionists to talk, then let them do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 02/24/2009
- RobHughey I'm a Fan of RobHughey 15 fans permalink
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Just don't forget that the winds of politics always change. There WILL be a Repub majority again in the Senate at some point (shudder), and changing the rules to favor the Dems today would sure turn around and bite them on the butt later.

The Repubs considered changing the rules when they were recently in the majority, but cooler heads prevailed when it was decided (and understood) that the future negative consequences would outweigh the present benefit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 02/24/2009
- DuPageDem I'm a Fan of DuPageDem 23 fans permalink

What negative consequences? I'm not talking about the nuclear option. Any filibuster by any party should require the obstructionists get up and actually talk. A filibuster without it is just a sham.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 02/26/2009
- Agent420 I'm a Fan of Agent420 50 fans permalink
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Clearly, they were not stone. How much do you think pieces of stone that large and thick would weigh? Probably Styrofoam. Did you see the scene where the wind almost blew the tablets from his hands?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 02/24/2009
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"As both Reid's memo and Dove explain, only one Republican would need to monitor the Senate floor. If the majority party tried to move to a vote, he could simply say, 'I suggest the absence of a quorum.'"

Only 51 are needed for a quorum on the actual piece of legislation up for a vote, but 60 for a quorum on a motion for cloture. Isn't endless debate required to actually filibuster and force a motion for cloture, at which point all but one Republican would have to leave the chamber in order to note the lack of a quorum? Related question: if Franken gets his seat and the Dems have 59, one Repub must be present to filibuster, at which point there is a quorum of 60 for a motion for cloture?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 02/24/2009
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To answer my last question, no, 60 are needed to carry a motion for cloture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 02/24/2009
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Why the talk of the "nuclear option"? The whole point would have been to force the filibuster to expose the Repubs as the obstructionists they are while the economy continues to tank.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 02/24/2009

Why the heck is do we still have WIMPY REID as Senate "leader".

Get rid of the clown!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 AM on 02/24/2009
- MarcInCA I'm a Fan of MarcInCA 31 fans permalink

Boy Reid is so effing clueless. There is no need for the visual spectacle of someone reading a phone book. The cable news networks will obsess over it. There will be non-stop, 24 hr talk of the absence of anything occurring in Congress and the constant repetition of the fact that Republicans are holding things up.

Is Reid really under the impression that people would be sitting by their tv's waiting for the coverage of some guy reading the phone book?!?!

Force them to filibuster!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 AM on 02/24/2009

Ahem. The Republicans HAVE been holding things up but the news networks go out of their way to obscure that fact, playing their silly "balance" and "bipartisan" games. If the Republicans filibuster, the news networks will blame Democratic partisanship for causing it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 AM on 02/24/2009

Reid can refuse to move any of their bills to cloture. Let's see them get anything done when THEY need 60 votes! Not that they have any bills, or ideas, of their own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 AM on 02/24/2009

OK , so what! Then make the damn fool sit in a chair and look like a idiot for hours and hours with the CSAN camera on him. It's a great demonstration of Repub obstruction. Hell you have guy with absolutely nothing to ad to the debate demonstrating pure political obstruction to the the whole country. This is nothing more than the continuing story of Reid making life easy for the Repubs. He seems to think it his main mission in life. I'd like see which Repub would volunteer for the career killing silent "sit in". What BS Harry. Still spineless.

"a filibustering Senator "can be forced to sit on the [Senate] floor to keep us from voting on that legislation for a finite period of time according to existing rules but he/she can't be forced to keep talking for an indefinite period of time."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 AM on 02/24/2009

Agreed.

The image of someone slouching in a chair, calling out Senate-speak in monotone for hours, while the NYSE tickers sink is a real image. It says exactly what the GOP is, without ideas, complacent, deconstructive and destructive.

You think regular people would be unaffected by the image of a privileged powerful white man arrogantly and carelessly obstructing? Incompetence exemplified... this is the same image of Wall St.

The Republican Senators are eager to put themselves in the media, pretending to be a counterweight to Obama... I don't think they'd be so eager to demonstrate how deconstructive their efforts really are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 AM on 02/24/2009

You guys don't understand.Someone says he notices lack of a quorum. The Senate then does a roll call -- during that time, the cameras are not on the guy who called it, who isn't slouching in a chair or speaking. After the lengthy roll call, the guy again takes a few seconds to say he notices lack of a quorum. Rinse and repeat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 02/24/2009
- DinkSinger I'm a Fan of DinkSinger 11 fans permalink

The filibustering Senator cannot sit in a chair. He is forced by the rules to remain standing. He gets one chance to sit down during the quorum call, but after that he can only keep speaking as long as he remains on his feet. If "intervening business" takes place he can make a second quorum call, but if he does he gives up his right to speak again until the Senate has adjourned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 02/24/2009
- robeson I'm a Fan of robeson 29 fans permalink
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Wouldn't it be nice, and surprising, if Harry Reid and his office listed the powers the leader has to move bills?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 02/24/2009
- ajax2 I'm a Fan of ajax2 24 fans permalink
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The myth that the Senate cannot move without 61 votes, is dangerous for democracy. Harry Reid and his office, (see Gregg nomination) are being deliberately misleading.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 02/24/2009
- Pie7 I'm a Fan of Pie7 34 fans permalink
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Thank you, excellent journalism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 02/24/2009
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"If someone comes in and wants to speak to give that Senator a hand, he lets them call off the quorum and speak and then he puts another quorum call in. It only takes one member to keep that going, he/she can have colleagues spell them and work in shifts just making sure that if no one is speaking then the chair doesn't put the question"

OK.

So make them do that. You think the average American won't react to the notion that Republicans are going so far as to work in shifts to obstruct progress, while Americans are losing their shifts at work? You think Barack Obama can't eloquently explain that tactic to the American people?

If these same rules prevent the Democratic majority from overcoming Republican obstructionism, then why did it not allow Democrats to obstruct Alito, Roberts, and BushCo? Oh yeah, "nuclear option", "up and down vote", least popular president in history, I remember.

More vertebrae and testicles, please, Senator Reid, and fewer excuses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 02/23/2009
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