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Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger To Congress: My Pay Has Been Cut 40 Percent In Recent Years, Pension Terminated

First Posted: 03/27/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:05 PM ET

Plane Splashdown Hearing

The air traffic controller who handled Flight 1549 thought ditching in the Hudson River amounted to a death sentence for all aboard. Now the veteran pilot who pulled off the ditching safely says harsh pay cuts are driving experienced pilots from the cockpit.

"People don't survive landings on the Hudson River," 10-year veteran controller Patrick Harten told a House subcommittee Tuesday in his first public description of how he tried to land the jetliner that lost power in both jets when it hit Canada geese after takeoff from New York's LaGuardia Airport. (Article continues after the slideshow).


Slideshow of the Sullenberger and crew members testifying:

"I thought it was his own death sentence," Harten said of the moment when US Airways pilot Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger radioed that he was going into the river. Defying the odds, Sullenberger safely glided the Airbus A320 down and all 155 people aboard survived the Jan. 15 water landing.

Sullenberger, a 58-year-old who joined a US Airways predecessor in 1980, told the House aviation subcommittee that his pay has been cut 40 percent in recent years and his pension has been terminated and replaced with a promise "worth pennies on the dollar" from the federally created Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. These cuts followed a wave of airline bankruptcies after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks compounded by the current recession, he said.

"The bankruptcies were used by some as a fishing expedition to get what they could not get in normal times," Sullenberger said of the airlines. He said the problems began with the deregulation of the industry in the 1970s.

The reduced compensation has placed "pilots and their families in an untenable financial situation," Sullenberger said. "I do not know a single professional airline pilot who wants his or her children to follow in their footsteps."

The subcommittee of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee heard from the crew of Flight 1549, the air traffic controller who handled the flight and aviation experts to examine what safety lessons could be learned from the accident.

Sullenberger's copilot Jeffrey B. Skiles said unless federal laws are revised to improve labor-management relations "experienced crews in the cockpit will be a thing of the past." And Sullenberger added that without experienced pilots "we will see negative consequences to the flying public."

Sullenberger himself has started a consulting business to help make ends meet. Skiles added, "For the last six years, I have worked seven days a week between my two jobs just to maintain a middle class standard of living."

Controller Harten riveted the hearing with his account of the 3.5 minutes during which he spoke with the crippled jetliner after the bird strike at an altitute of 2,750 feet.

When Sullenberger said he couldn't make it either back to LaGuardia or to Teterboro Airport in New Jersey and would ditch in the the Hudson River that separates New York and New Jersey, Harten testified, "I believed at that moment I was going to be the last person to talk to anyone on that plane alive."

But Sullenberger delicately glided the jetliner into the river in one piece near ferry boats that picked the passengers off the planes wings before it sank in the icy waters.

Harten, who has spent his entire career at the radar facility in Westbury, N.Y., that handles air traffic within 40 miles of three major airports, struggled vainly to help get the airliner safely to a landing strip.

Making lightning-quick decisions, Harten communicated with 14 other entities in the three minutes after the bird strike as he diverted other aircraft and advised controllers elsewhere to hold aircraft and clear runways for 1549.

First, Harten tried to return the plane to LaGuardia Airport, asking the airport's tower to clear runway 13. But Sullenberger calmly reported: "We're unable."

Then Harten offered another LaGuardia runway. Again, Sullenberger reported, "Unable." He said he might be able to make Teterboro Airport in New Jersey.

But when Harten directed Sullenberger to turn onto a heading for Teterboro, the pilot responded: "We can't do it .... We're going to be in the Hudson."

"I asked him to repeat himself even though I heard him just fine," said Harten. "I simply could not wrap my mind around those words."

At that moment, Harten said he lost radio contact with flight and was certain it "had gone down."

Afterward, Harten said he told his wife, "I felt like I had been hit by a bus."

NTSB investigators have said bird remains found in both engines of the downed plane have been identified as Canada geese.

Sullenberger and Skiles said anyone who's spent much time in cockpits has encountered bird strikes but that this one was exceptionally severe in knocking out both engines. Some gulls don't even dent the airplane, Skiles said, but this "was a bigger bird than I've ever hit before."

The bird problem has been growing, said John E. Ostrom, chairman of the Bird Strike Committee-USA and a manager at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. Since 1990, the number of Canada geese that live year-round in the country rather than migrating has grown from 1 million to 3.9 million and the population of 24 of the 36 largest bird species has increased, Ostrom testified.

The crew and passengers of a helicopter that crashed en route to an oil platform on Jan. 4 weren't as lucky. The National Transportation Safety Board reported Monday that investigators have found evidence birds were involved in the accident near Morgan City, La., that killed eight of nine people aboard.

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House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee: http://transportation.house.gov/

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04:29 PM on 03/16/2009
155 lives saved in middle of thousand news about wars and economic crisis; has been like breathing of hope for the rest of humanity. Two books will be written by Captain Sully
Should Captain Sully be nominated Man of the year 2009 let's vote at www.ournewamericanhero.com
09:12 PM on 03/09/2009
Speaking of the U.S. Congress:

The U.S. Congress does not like George W. Bush—Bush committed too many crimes.

George W. Bush committed hate crimes of epic proportions and with the stench of terrorism (indicated in my blog).

George W. Bush did in fact commit innumerable hate crimes.

And I do solemnly swear by Almighty God that George W. Bush committed other hate crimes of epic proportions and with the stench of terrorism which I am not at liberty to mention.

Many people know what Bush did.

And many people will know what Bush did—even to the end of the world.

Bush was absolute evil.

Bush is now like a fugitive from justice.

Bush is a psychological prisoner.

Bush has a lot to worry about.

Bush can technically be prosecuted for hate crimes at any time.

In any case, Bush will go down in history in infamy.

Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993

“GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY” BLOG OF ANDREW YU-JEN WANG
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I am not sure where I had read it before, but anyway, it goes kind of like this: “If only it were possible to ban invention that bottled up memories so they never got stale and faded.” Oh wait—off the top of my head—I think the quotation came from my Lower Merion High School yearbook.
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frisbeeredcat
12:49 AM on 03/06/2009
I was studying labor history back when Reagan was President. I talked to friends at the time that thought labor unions were obsolete and that employer/employee relations were beyond needing them. Capitalism had won and the Soviet Union failed!

Look at us now! The working man has been screwed. Losing ground, jobs, whole industries, and lower pay and benefits, if there are any at all. The executive salaries have jumped to oblivion, with the stock options + golden parachutes and bonuses! But it's not enough, they need more! So... speculate with investments, built on a math equation no one understands, which allow massive monetary gains until one day...
11:47 PM on 02/26/2009
Frankly, I wouldn't fly now if you paid me to ride on your airline.
I can get a colonoscopy done at the doctors office. Damned if I want to get one in order to get on an aircraft, just so some Arab terrorist won't feel discriminated against.
fredjernig
Good night, and good luck!
10:12 AM on 02/26/2009
When I was a kid, in the late 70s, airline pilots made $150000 (in 70s dollars). They were well paid and pampered. I guess Reaganism and deregulation brought us to less pay for pilots, and more for CEOs. Problem is pilots are still competent and CEOs are rewarded for incompetence. It's all greed, greed, greed, the grabfest for those in the more powerful positions at the expense of everybody else who has to work harder and get paid less. It is sick, sick sick. Sick of this runaway capitalism.
11:43 PM on 02/26/2009
Better to be all like good Soviets, fighting over loaves of bread while the government owns the wealth, right?
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09:38 PM on 02/25/2009
I think Sully is right. Pilots are underpaid and undervalued. The training required is comparable to a masters or pHd. Take a look at this exert from recent job posting for an entry level captain flying cargo aircraft.

$28,000.00 annually PDX. $30,000.00 annually OAK (PDX & OAK are domiciles and pay is adjusted for location)

Requirements:
Commercial or ATP multi-engine with instrument rating *1180 hours total time (at least 900 in airplane) *500 hours cross country (airport to airport) *100 hours night *25 Night Cross Country *50 MEL *75 hours instrument (at least 50 in flight) *IFR Current and proficient

Based on the average 40 hour work week, this amounts to $14.42/hr. Granted most pilots don't fly 40 hours in a week due to regulations, but it gives you a financial picture as to what someone in commercial aviation faces when trying to break into the industry. Pilot who don't go the military route usually do some kind of flight instruction to build time to meet the aforementioned requirements. In some cases the pilot may have been making more money as an instructor pilot when they had less experience.

One final note on this because I could write a novel. Your doctor who is board certified has to attend a professional development program to stay certified every 7-10 years depending on the specialty.

Your airline pilot goes through a skill proficiency check and a medical evaluation every 6 months.
01:39 PM on 02/25/2009
Happy to report to my mother-in-law that Sully used his soapbox to challenge the deregulation policies that the airlines and the feds concocted. Congressman Sully has a nice ring to it.
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Dan Conner
10:46 AM on 02/25/2009
The object here should not be to lower others, but to increase retirement for pilots. We've got bank executives going on lavish trip and events while they terminate employee benefits and then the employees. I think we need to visit on executives the tragedy they visit on others. Then, it might give them more pause.
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sixchair
Always left, usually right
09:47 AM on 02/25/2009
Legislative and executive branches get regular raises and killer benefits, though.
09:00 AM on 02/25/2009
Maybe next time you won't try so hard to do your job.
08:39 AM on 02/25/2009
Hero Pilot Sully was a perfect lesson that god has tried to teach all of us. Anything that is not real solid, will short live . the hero pilot has to take lesser and lesser home despite he carries the burden of taking care of other's lives, while many of those who cheats has grabbed millions and millions, it is time for all of us to take an action start from our own homes, we need to teach our children to learn real skills, real trades, to study hard, to be honest, because only those values will last. There have been so many things happened each day that makes people feel that solid education is no longer important any more, because many others have taken advantage of the short cut, we are all humans, we often envy those who are rich and famous and powerful, but we often over look if those people did take honest road to reach where they are. We all need to re-exame ourselves before it is too late. Thanks God that He used the hero pilot Sully taught us a vivid lesson, wake up including myself, sit down, find some good books to reach not to envy those things from "sex and the City". We have to change from our own back yard, or the history will repeat itself even though we may get back some material in the short run, we all need to be responsbile for our future generations.
11:02 AM on 02/25/2009
no good deed goes unpunished
08:11 AM on 02/25/2009
The airline pilot has been reduced to an average city bus driver, Sully is right. Much like my B.S. in computer science has been reduced to computer repairman. This country is screwed! Thanks trickle-down, deregulation, outsourcing, NAFTA, CAFTA, HB1 visas.
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09:01 AM on 02/25/2009
Thank you. I'm in the same boat, in a job where my degree means nothing. The only redeeming fact is that its in the renewable energy sector (solar). Corporate greed and "shareholders'" expectations have driven our economy into the ground. Here in Silicon Valley, "bussed in" Indians live 4 to a 2 bedroom apartment, have no cars, and perform high tech jobs for half of what American engineers made, then send the money home to India. But the company's stock stays up! How is that good for our economy? As far as Sully is concerned, one of the people I want well paid and happy is my airline pilot, wouldn't you agree?
11:05 AM on 02/25/2009
I did maintenance on aircraft in the service, and I agree with you, one of the people who should be paid big bucks is the pilot! (of course, I also think it would be wise to pay maintenance people well)
07:40 AM on 02/25/2009
I remember back in the late 70s, when the then prez of what was the old Eastern Airlines, Frank Borman, went before Congress and literally begged them not to deregulate the airline industry for exactly the same reasons as Capt. Sullenberger describes: deregulation would lead to the eventual demise of the US airline industry as we knew it -- with more attention paid to company bottom lines, than safety and maintenance, which Borman saw as its number one priority.

And, as they say, the rest is history.
08:51 AM on 02/25/2009
And yet somehow, air travel is safer that ever, and more people fly because it's affordable.

Borman my have been sincere in what he was saying, but he also didn't want competition from upstarts like Southwest. Southwest had to go to the Supreme Court to break the monopoly the other airlines deliberately colluded on to keep them from competing.
fredjernig
Good night, and good luck!
10:39 AM on 02/26/2009
Your answer is a rare example of civilized discussion. Oh how I wish we could have a real discussion between liberals and conservatives, where we can respect the other's point of view. Personally I think the problem is less deregulation of the Airline Industry than a general climate of greed and profit-chasing which redistributes wealth upward.
05:30 AM on 02/25/2009
Hey! Here's an idea if you think the pilot flying your plane deserves to be well paid and if you think that ATC that is forced to work 16 hours straight should have more rights. Let's claw back the 4 billion dollars of taxpayer money that was used for wall street bonuses and give it to them. I would say Captain Sullenberger had pretty good performance along with a touch of the hand of God, and he deserves a bonus. Let's see...if the wall street boys think they did such a great job running their companies into the ground, destroying the American economy, and the global economy to boot, and think they deserve oh..121 million dollars for their work....let's take that taxpayer money and give 121 million to old Captain Sully. Or maybe the airline execs will give their next multi-million dollar bonus to these gentlemen. Let's call our congressfolks and see if we can spend our money THAT way! Ha!
03:54 AM on 02/25/2009
Captain Sully should get his airline company CEOs' millions in BONUSES that
those guys don't deserve.

America is totally twisted for supporting the RABID GREED of industry and finance's CEOs.
fredjernig
Good night, and good luck!
10:40 AM on 02/26/2009
hear hear!