CIA Destroyed Interrogation Tapes

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DEVLIN BARRETT | March 2, 2009 04:26 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — The CIA destroyed nearly 100 videotapes of interrogations and other U.S. treatment of terror suspects, far more than previously acknowledged, the Obama administration said Monday as it began disclosing details of post-Sept. 11 Bush-era actions.

The interrogations were a highly contentious issue during the administration of President George W. Bush, with many Democrats and other critics saying that some methods used amounted to torture _ a contention Bush and other officials rejected. A criminal prosecutor is wrapping up his investigation in the matter.

Monday's acknowledgment, however, involved a civil lawsuit filed in New York by the American Civil Liberties Union seeking more details of the interrogation programs following the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

"The CIA can now identify the number of videotapes that were destroyed," said the letter submitted in that case by Acting U.S. Attorney Lev Dassin. "Ninety-two videotapes were destroyed."

It is not clear what exactly was on the recordings. The government's letter cites interrogation videos, but the lawsuit against the Defense Department also seeks records related to treatment of detainees, any deaths of detainees and the CIA's sending of suspects overseas, known as "extraordinary rendition."

At the White House, press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters he hadn't spoken to the president about the report, but called the news about the videotapes "sad," and said Obama was committed to ending torture while also protecting American values.

ACLU attorney Amrit Singh said the CIA should be held in contempt of court for holding back the information for so long.

"The large number of videotapes destroyed confirms that the agency engaged in a systematic attempt to hide evidence of its illegal interrogations and to evade the court's order," Singh said.

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CIA spokesman George Little said the agency "has certainly cooperated with the Department of Justice investigation. If anyone thinks it's agency policy to impede the enforcement of American law, they simply don't know the facts."

The details of interrogations of terror suspects, and the existence of tapes documenting those sessions, have become the subject of long fights in a number of different court cases. In the trial of Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui, prosecutors initially claimed no such recordings existed, then acknowledged after the trial was over that two videotapes and one audiotape had been made.

The Dassin letter, dated March 2 to Judge Alvin Hellerstein, says the CIA is now gathering more details for the lawsuit, including a list of the destroyed records, any secondary accounts that describe the destroyed contents and the identities of those who may have viewed or possessed the recordings before they were destroyed.

But the lawyers also note that some of that information may be classified, such as the names of CIA personnel who viewed the tapes.

"The CIA intends to produce all of the information requested to the court and to produce as much information as possible on the public record to the plaintiffs," states the letter.

The separate criminal investigation includes interrogations of al-Qaida lieutenant Abu Zubaydah and another top al-Qaida leader. Tapes of those interrogations were destroyed, in part, the Bush administration said, to protect the identities of the government questioners at a time the Justice Department was debating whether or not the tactics used during the interrogations were legal.

Former CIA director Michael Hayden acknowledged that waterboarding _ simulated drowning _ was used on three suspects, including two whose interrogations were recorded.

John Durham, a senior career prosecutor in Connecticut, is leading the criminal investigation, out of Virginia, and had asked that he be given until the end of February to wrap up his work before requests for information in the civil lawsuit were dealt with.

Durham's spokesman, Tom Carson, had no immediate comment.

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Associated Press Writers Pamela Hess, Philip Elliott and Matt Apuzzo contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — The CIA destroyed nearly 100 videotapes of interrogations and other U.S. treatment of terror suspects, far more than previously acknowledged, the Obama administration said Monday as...
WASHINGTON — The CIA destroyed nearly 100 videotapes of interrogations and other U.S. treatment of terror suspects, far more than previously acknowledged, the Obama administration said Monday as...
 
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- festry548 I'm a Fan of festry548 7 fans permalink
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What a surprise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 03/02/2009
- Truby I'm a Fan of Truby 6 fans permalink

CIA spokesman George Little said the agency "has certainly cooperated with the Department of Justice investigation. If anyone thinks it's agency policy to impede the enforcement of American law, they simply don't know the facts."
Well except for this one (or 92) little incident.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 03/02/2009
- sasson I'm a Fan of sasson 21 fans permalink

I won't watch the tapes until they put them on blu-ray.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 03/02/2009
- TJCole I'm a Fan of TJCole 165 fans permalink
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Let's not forget these guys don't destroy anything .....ever..!

They're just dealing with this by saying they destroyed these tapes, "now go away kid, I got governments to overthrow here.."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 03/02/2009

Destroyed them, eh?

As in showing "consciousness of guilt"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 03/02/2009
- GalenL I'm a Fan of GalenL 2 fans permalink

Yeah, after they were told they wouldn't be prosecuted no less. Something very wrong with this situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 03/02/2009
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It's not specified that they destroyed them "after". This sounds to me like it was done under Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 03/02/2009

Whoops ... is that legal?

Unearthing all of the rot that GWB infected us with, will be an every day occurrence for years to come.

This guy and his cronies, need to be indicted and tried in a the US and world court ... his atrocities are no less vial than those he calls our enemy. Saddam Hussein, Kadafi (Libya), Mugabe (zimbabwe), Milosevic (former yugoslavia), Jong Il (N. Korea), Kadyrov (Chechnya), Putin (Russia), Castro (Cuba), Omar al-Bashir (Sudan), Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Iran) and don't forget Osama Bin Laden (Al Qaeda).

If anyone out there would like to debate it, please tell the readers how this pig is any different then those pigs ... it's Ok to disagree, but it's not OK to break laws, lie, cheat, and destroy human life and rape and pillage an entire country ... just GWB did!

Like them, he slaughtered innocent people (Iraqi's - Afghani's - Americans) he is tortured, he ignored the rest of the world, he ignored his own advisors, he is completely corrupt and he justifies his actions through denial and off the wall religious fundamentalism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 03/02/2009
- TFlint I'm a Fan of TFlint 40 fans permalink
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Lest we forget, the CIA once tried to assassinate Fidel Castro by sending him exploding cigars!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 03/02/2009
- Whinger I'm a Fan of Whinger 48 fans permalink
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Destroying the evidence of brutal interrogation and torture techniques, perverting the course of justice!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 03/02/2009

That proves Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove were involved, otherwise why destroy evidence that could have been used down the line? They didn't sneeze without approval from the top, meaning, Cheney gave the orders, Bush agreed. Collusions and grounds for treason charges.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 03/02/2009

Of course Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove were involved in destroying evidence of all kinds .... these are not good people, they are innately mean and corrupt with no conscience, whatsoever!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 03/02/2009
- voltage356 I'm a Fan of voltage356 20 fans permalink
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Those tapes are not destroyed Cheny is listening to them each night before he goes to bed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 03/02/2009
- voltage356 I'm a Fan of voltage356 20 fans permalink
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Those tapes are not destroyed Cheny is listening to each night before he goes to bed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 03/02/2009

Geeeesh, am I the only one that thinks getting rid of those tapes was a good idea?

If you think it through from a homeland security/war on terror angle, it makes perfect sense. Unless of course you want to help the enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 03/02/2009
- bluehand I'm a Fan of bluehand 14 fans permalink

You talk like you know what was on these tapes. It is not up to the CIA, or any other government agency to destroy evidence, which is a clear contempt of court. If you destroyed evidence when you were being investigated for something, then people would naturally assume you were guilty. Why else you would destroy it. You obviously do not believe in the Constitution, or any thing else that has do with the democratic rule of law, that all of our wars are supposed to be about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 03/02/2009
- pros54 I'm a Fan of pros54 6 fans permalink

It is never a good idea to get rid of records. You make those records for ongoing purpose of the issue at hand, for review purposes to see what was done right and should be continued and what did not work and should be dropped and for historical purposes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 03/02/2009

You're right. Look at all the harm the Abu Ghraib tapes did. And I'm sure that no one in the terrorist camp is even aware of Gitmo, so let's not clue them in.

We need to get rid of ALL incriminating evidence. Worked for Reagan. Worked for Bush One. Almost worked for Nixon. It might work for Bush Two.

Just because these guys broke international and civil law is no good reason to hold them accountable. They're Americans, remember? Americans - well, particular Americans anyway - cannot and should not be held up to examination or - horrors - prosecution.

And it wasn't 'nearly' a hundred tapes, it was only 92, so why are we even wasting time on such insignificant distractions when there are wars to be won?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 03/02/2009
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I think you meant to end by saying "when there are new wars to be STARTED". The more wars there are, the better it is for the bottom lines of the Halliburtons and the Blackwaters...those patriotic American companies....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 03/02/2009

After reading through some of the responses I got, it's obvious the majority of you have no clue.

That's ok, there's still enough of us that do have a clue, to keep you safe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 03/02/2009
- Merckx I'm a Fan of Merckx 24 fans permalink
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You are an enemy of the state. You are a danger to America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 03/02/2009
- LibRS I'm a Fan of LibRS 5 fans permalink

No you are not the only person to think that. I agree. Unlike the bleeding hearts on this site.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 03/02/2009

Band-aids, anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 03/02/2009
- MIKEinNYC I'm a Fan of MIKEinNYC 68 fans permalink
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Destruction of tapes,,,,, not a good thing. Has the appearance and stink of impropriety. Like when Sandy Berger was caught sneaking out papers in his underwear. Hard to explain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 03/02/2009

Those papers, by the way, were written by him and they were copies meant for the 9-11 Commission hearings. It was made to sound worse than it was, or he would have been prosecuted. They all stink of impropriety, but this is much worse. The people on those tapes underwent horrors that I can't even imagine (if they were being served milk and cookies, the tapes wouldn't have been destroyed). I feel bad for the papers (whether they were in Berger's socks or underwear), but worse for the detainees. I can hear the right-wingers calling me a bleeding-heart, but hold-on. If the detainees consisted only of people on the battlefield who were actively fighting with guns raised at our soldiers, fine, they deserve to be locked-up. But we offered $5,000.00 to any Afghan citizen who turned-in a Taliban/AQ member.....to citizens of one of the poorest countries in the world, they would have to be insane not to collect. If you offered Americans $5,000.00 to turn-in Taliban/AQ right now, the phones would be ringing off the hook from people trying to turn-in their enemies or even their grandmothers. And if you're going to interrogate someone, give them putrid, unappetizing, slop to eat for a week and shove a juicy steak in front of them on the 7th day. Let them have a bite after every bean he spills. Just cooking the steak near them would be "aromatorture".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 03/02/2009
- MIKEinNYC I'm a Fan of MIKEinNYC 68 fans permalink
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It makes no difference who authored the papers. If taking the papers was proper why were they hidden by him in his underwear?

Berger pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material on April 1, 2005. Berger was fined $50,000, sentenced to serve two years of probation and 100 hours of community service, and stripped of his security clearance for 3 years. Berger also relinquished his license to practice law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 03/02/2009
- voltage356 I'm a Fan of voltage356 20 fans permalink
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You are so right Joethepauper If you offered Americans $5,000.00 to turn-in Taliban/AQ right now, the phones would be ringing off the hook from people trying to turn-in their enemies or even their grandmothers. They must have realize that some of the people they tortured were innocent of any charges against them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 03/02/2009
- voltage356 I'm a Fan of voltage356 20 fans permalink
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Really, why would this surprise anybody who had half a brain to know that this was going happened. Please don't act so shock that it even got reported. Next it on to congress to raise the flag pole to investigate all the nasty wrong doings of the CIA. when every thing is all over with give them a slap on the wrist and say please don't do that again. Don't you love this make believe Democracy. It almost want me to say i love the smell of napalm in the morning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 03/02/2009
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It is unsurprisingly pathetic, but it is also Democracy, which is not what your constitution is all about?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 03/02/2009

I knew for 8 years. I tried to let people know, but I was shushed. Nobody wanted to hear anything back then except bumper sticker slogans. It was difficult to find anyone who wasn't cheerleading for Bush. I almost lost my job at the TSA because of a right-wing parrot quoting Rush. I was almost written-up for defending someone's first amendment rights in that incident. I was later let go, but I still think that had something to do with it. You are right though, they will get a slap on the wrist (if it's investigated at all), they will be told not to do it again, and they will be back to the same behavior before we know it. If anybody is scrutinized, it won't be the big wigs who ordered the destruction of the tapes, it will be some low-level person who obeyed the orders who is punished.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 03/02/2009
- TheBaffler I'm a Fan of TheBaffler 55 fans permalink
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What difference does it make? The spineless Obama wasn't going to hold anyone accountable even with ten times the evidence that was destroyed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 03/02/2009
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I tend to agree with your point, but I don't think spineless is quite the right word...
More like strong survival instincts is closer, I believe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 03/02/2009

Let's say that evidence was dropped on Obama's lap (one tape that survived). Obama has a small window of opportunity and political capital to get things done. He is in charge of correcting the economy the Repugs ruined (with no help from them). He has to do something about energy (with not much money and no help from the Repugs). He has to fix education or we will all be as dumb as Repugs someday. He has to fix healthcare before it swallows our economy whole. Do you think all of these things will get done with a Bush trial going-on??? Do you remember Lewinsky? The Repugs will. They will say it's just political payback for their Clinton witch hunt (besides the fact that this one actually matters). Bush did all that because he knew (okay, his "handlers" knew) that that is how it would be percieved by the public. It looks from the outside like political payback, when from the inside, if they don't investigate our democracy will rot from the inside-out. It is very important to hold Bush & Co. accountable, but the evidence is well hidden/destroyed (and can't be flimsy for something this serious), and there is too much important work to be done right now. I'm prepared to wait for the second term for justice, we need to stop the bleeding right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 03/02/2009
- kathy001 I'm a Fan of kathy001 79 fans permalink

Of course, you have lots of ground to call Obama "spineless." He should just go in, guns blazing, so to speak, and smack them all in jail. Right? No need for pesky little things like evidence. No need for an investigation. I guess that's what Bush would have done. Oops, wait. Bush would have just let them keep torturing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 03/02/2009
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And you know this how? Are you using that crystal ball that you bought at Wal Mart. If so, I told you before that it is defective and if you keep using it you will continue to sound like a m o r o n.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 03/02/2009

Let's just forget about it and focus on the future.... NOPE, Sorry. We need to take a stand for all the laws that were broken.

This is a sham and we need to push to make this happen. If not we lose all credibility. I like Obama, but this is not only a bad policy, but it reeks of scandal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 03/02/2009
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