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TIM PARADIS | 03/ 2/09 06:38 PM | AP

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Peole walk to work in the snow as they pass the flag-draped New York Stock Exchange Monday, March 2, 2009. The government on Monday unveiled a revamped rescue package to insurance giant American International Group and will provide the troubled company another $30 billion on an "as needed" basis. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)

NEW YORK — A relentless sell-off in the stock market Monday blew through barriers that would have been unthinkable just weeks ago, and investors warned there was no reason to believe buyers will return anytime soon.

The Dow Jones industrial average plummeted below 7,000 at the opening bell and kept driving lower all day, finishing at 6,763 _ a loss of nearly 300 points. Each of the 30 stocks in the index lost value for the day.

And the Standard & Poor's 500 stock index, a much broader measure of the market's health, dipped below the psychologically important 700 level before closing just above it. It hadn't traded below 700 since October 1996.

Investors were worried anew about the stability of the financial system after insurer American International Group posted a staggering $62 billion loss for the fourth quarter, the biggest in U.S. corporate history _ and accepted an expanded bailout from the government.

But beyond daily headlines, Wall Street seems to have given up the search for a reason to believe that the worst is over and the time is ripe to buy again.

"As bad as things are, they can still get worse, and get a lot worse," said Bill Strazzullo, chief market strategist for Bell Curve Trading, who said he believes the Dow might fall to 5,000 and the S&P to 500.

The Dow's descent has been breathtaking. It took only 14 trading sessions for the average to fall from above 8,000 to below 7,000. For the year, the Dow has lost 23 percent of its value.

Its last close below 7,000 was May 1, 1997 _ a time when the market was barreling to one record high after another because of the boom in technology stocks, but often suffered big drops as investors worried about inflation and rising interest rates.

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This time around, Wall Street analysts seem to believe that a stock market recovery will first require signs of health among financial companies, and on Monday those signs seemed further away than ever.

AIG, whose reach is so vast that the government warns letting it fail would cripple the very world financial system, will get another $30 billion in loans on top of the $150 billion already invested by the government.

HSBC PLC, Europe's largest bank by market value, said it needs to raise about $18 billion, reported a 70 percent drop in earnings for last year, and announced plans to scale back U.S. lending and cut 6,100 jobs.

The banking sector helped drive the market lower. Citigroup stock lost 20 percent of its value and fell to a paltry $1.20 per share. HSBC lost 19 percent. Bank of America lost 8 percent.

While the root of the problem for the financial firms is the bad bets they made on mortgages and mortgage-backed securities, now the recession is exacerbating their problems, forcing job cuts.

"The economy definitely has deteriorated since November," said Sean Simko, head of fixed income management at SEI Investments. "It's just the fact that we haven't seen signs of improving or stabilizing, per se, which is adding to the morass of the market."

Mixed economic readings provided little reason to expect a turnaround. Personal spending and incomes both rose for January, but construction spending fell 3.3 percent, more than twice what economists expected.

And coming later this week is much bigger, and more unnerving, data. The government on Friday will report the national unemployment rate and job losses for February. Those figures have been worse month after month.

So far, the economic readings and news coming out of financial companies are still so alarming that investors feel no alternative but to sell.

"I don't think we find a bottom in the market until we see some sort of increased level of optimism and confidence among consumers and investors," said Jim Baird, chief investment strategist at Plante Moran Financial Advisors.

Both the Dow and the S&P have lost more than half their value since the market peaked in October 2007. In that time, about $11 trillion in wealth has vanished, according to the Dow Jones Wilshire 5000 index, which tracks nearly all stocks traded in America.

Last week, the Dow and the S&P 500 fell below the levels they had reached Nov. 20 and 21 _ to that point their lowest since Lehman Brothers imploded in September and set off the financial meltdown.

Investors had hoped those levels might mark a market bottom, but it hasn't happened.

Big-name investors are just as cautious. Billionaire Warren Buffett predicted in his annual letter to investors Saturday that "the economy will be in shambles throughout 2009 _ and, for that matter, probably well beyond." He cautioned that did not determine whether the market would rise or fall.

And even when the market finally reaches a bottom, it probably faces a long, long recovery.

"We do feel that things can improve, but it is going to be years before we get back to levels we saw in the markets a year ago," said David Chalupnik, head of equities at First American Funds.

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NEW YORK — A relentless sell-off in the stock market Monday blew through barriers that would have been unthinkable just weeks ago, and investors warned there was no reason to believe buyers will...
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LET IT BURN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 03/03/2009

President obama needs to get out of the way and let the private sector lead us of the recession. Small business is the backbone of America. Don't tax them into oblivion. The small businesses I know are scared and not hiring. They don't know if Obama will raise their taxes. So much for open and transparent presidency. Small biz doesn't have the confidence Obama is looking out for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 03/03/2009
- gr8abz I'm a Fan of gr8abz 4 fans permalink

President Obama has been in office about six weeks. His plans have just begun to be put into effect. No one can determine the results this quickly. But to resort to the old Reaganomic private sector approach as if it were the answer to all our economic problems is premature and would probably create worse problems. As for Obama taxing the small business into oblivion -- that's fictitious. Sounds like typical Republican scare tactics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 AM on 03/03/2009

Thanks Hussein for your inspired leadership that has really built confidence in the marketplace.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 03/02/2009
- gr8abz I'm a Fan of gr8abz 4 fans permalink

Hussein -- oh please. Must we start that? It's Mr. Obama to you. And he's been in office six weeks and his policies are just being implemented. Considering the Republicans had eight years to do something prior to this, I think your reaction is politically motivated. For a more pro right wing biased response you might want to check in with Rush Limbaugh, the voice of the GOP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 03/03/2009

six weeks = almost 3000 point loss of dow. Every time he speaks, stocks plummet...­but its Bush's fault right? And Hussein is his given name, if you don't think its an issue then why the defensiveness?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 03/03/2009

karen1p. I report conclusions I (and others) have reached based upon the decisions from Bush through Obama today. The failed decisions we are now making in attempting to bail out swindle, fraud and trillions of debt is destroying the currency of our country. And this is a continuation of the despicable policies of the Bush Bunch. Another prediction: Half of American banks are going out of existence.
I am appalled, chagrined and broken hearted that such a promising leader became the agent of corrupt banking interests from before Day One. The President who I supported unflinchingly has continued a policy that is throwing power from the American people to a corrupt financial institution. Our nation is facing penury, poverty and ruin. That is not conjecture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 03/02/2009
- msjimmied I'm a Fan of msjimmied 49 fans permalink
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The Dow started it's dive in October of 2007. It has been accelerating lately, but it started before Obama even won a single caucus. The buzz had already started about the coming debacle with housing, and concepts like derivatives and CDO's and whatever else the banking frat boys had concocted became the world's nightmare
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In the trading world, there is a buyer for every seller. So the money went somewhere. Ask the short sellers if they are doing well. The regulators should have been more reticent about abolishing the uptick rule. Maybe there was a reason they did not want it in place.

Whatever money we got from the Bush stimulus checks went from our pocket to the oil companies pockets.

There is more of a pattern here than the space alloted for a post...but you get the drift. We've been had, but not by Obama. What I find frustrating is that this great financial team he has put together have nothing to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 03/02/2009
- dsws I'm a Fan of dsws 11 fans permalink
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"In the trading world, there is a buyer for every seller. So the money went somewhere.­"

For actual realized losses, yes. But the aggregate value of stocks mostly was never money that existed.

Suppose I have a big mound of dirt, a thousand tons of it. One day my neighbor decides they want to fill in the pothole in their driveway, and they buy a 200-pound wheelbarrow load of my dirt for $10, the equivalent of $100/ton. Now the market value of my dirt is $99,990. The next day, another neighbor wants to level up the ground to put in a foundation for a shed, so they buy a two-ton truckload of my dirt for $50. Now the market value of my dirt is only $24,947.50­. (If I figured right. Point is, it went way down.) But the money didn't go anywhere. There wasn't any ~$75k that vanished when my ~1000 tons of dirt went from $100/ton to $25/ton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 03/03/2009
- mathme I'm a Fan of mathme 29 fans permalink
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Okay, I'm not stock market wizard by any means-- but the dow is made of 30 companies and on that list is Citi, Bank of America, and GM. Big companies that recently collapsed despite the Bush administration's handout to the banks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 03/02/2009

With the exception of a few weapons systems we sell to the rest of the world we don't MAKE much of anything here anymore. It was only a matter of time until our consumer culture impolded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 03/02/2009
- Peter007 I'm a Fan of Peter007 32 fans permalink
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predicted this a year ago.

anyone listening?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04B3Wl2qouw

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 03/02/2009

great man, and still the progressives spit on him, call him batshit crazy. I wonder who is crazy these days, certainly it's not the man speaking at the podium there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 03/03/2009
- jcollell I'm a Fan of jcollell 4 fans permalink

Happy Days are not here again. AIG posted the largest loss for any company in history. Lets invest another 30 billion on top of the 150 billion already invested. Ay yay yay.

http://www.youspar.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 03/02/2009

True, AIG had a huge loss, but other companies like Exxon Mobil have had record profits. Things balance out.

As to another 30 billion to AIG, its better than the alternative if the alternative is the failure of AIG. If the problems in the financial sector are the ripples from the pebble of Lehman Brothers failure being tossed into the global pond, then the failure of AIG would be like boulder in comparison. If AIG fails anywhere between 30 trillion and 90 trillion dollars worth of collateral damage will occur from the collapse of all the derivative financial products dependent on having an risk underwriter.

Now I agree, we never should have let them get to this point, but at this point I don't see an alternative to propping them up until the markets recover. The only other way to keep AIG from effecting such huge losses without having to provide them capital, is to take them out of the capital environment, i.e. nationalize them. However I'm far more concerned about the Government definitely acquiring 10's of trillions of dollars in loan guarantees, vs hopefully throwing no more than 300 or 400 billion at AIG to keep them going until the markets start to recover and they can start treading water on their own.

Let them deal with unwinding all the derivatives AFTER the rest of the market starts to recover so that the impact won't be quite as bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 03/03/2009
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This is not a surprise and was predicted in November 2007 right here in the business section.

Man my precious metals look really good right now. How is your Google, Starbucks and Apple stock doing that you didn't dump in November 2007?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 03/02/2009
- GerryS I'm a Fan of GerryS 43 fans permalink
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yup-

Peter Schiff read the crystal ball well-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 03/02/2009
- murphy80 I'm a Fan of murphy80 9 fans permalink

why blame obama,
he inherited a no win situation.­.........t­he country is tanked

it cannot be saved.
they cannot telll you how or when the deriviatives can unwind, except that it will destroy the world economy.
wake up and be prepared for economic disaster and to save your family.
obama cannot rescue you, no one can rescue you.

you have been robbed blind by wall street bankster gangsters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 03/02/2009
- karen1p I'm a Fan of karen1p 27 fans permalink
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They say the best way to rob a bank is to own it. Guess so.

Geez, depressing. Maybe that's why they call it a depression.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 03/02/2009
- gr8abz I'm a Fan of gr8abz 4 fans permalink

If what you say is all true and we are in for a 'total' disaster -- there will be NO "saving your family." So try not to be quite so pessimistic. Tempting as it may be. Because life on the sidewalks and in the bread lines during the 30s was also accompanied by a very high suicide rate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 03/03/2009

I think we now have a depression

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 03/02/2009
- ltyler01 I'm a Fan of ltyler01 8 fans permalink
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We haven't reached 20% unemployment yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 03/02/2009

You really believe the skewed government figures? Detroit has had 20% unemployment since 2003. We're in far worse shape than they're letting on, and some of us know it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 03/02/2009

The crooked banks get free money. The private sector has to borrow money at high interest. The entire economic system is collapsing at a rate unprecedented in human history.
The Obama economic advisors don't have a clue what is taking place. Their projections of a rising GDP in 2010 is akin to Alice in Wonderland. His advisors are ideologues or incompetents who are specialists who are incapable of perceiving the whole picture. Therefore, the strongest among them is able to convince the others that we are in a rough spot in the road rather than in the greatest collapse and depression in the history of the human race.
My friends: Prepare for 4000 or lower Dow. Anticipate an unprecedented trade war as countries declare bankruptcy, trade barriers appear everywhere; millions are unemployed and starving; the dollar crashes and interest rates go through the roof; world trade collapses and nations prepare for war. Assume that the U.SA. is made scapegoat for all that comes to pass to harm the progress of nations.
It is clear that if we continue to be selfish and power hungry and quarrel and divide ourselves, we will be conquered and carved up and consumed by other emerging powers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 03/02/2009
- Woggles I'm a Fan of Woggles 7 fans permalink

Nah, if anything this soft patch has revealed just how desperately the rest of the world needs America, rather than the other way around.
Keep your chin up, this is still the greatest nation on earth, because we get up early work hard and pray to Jesus.

God bless America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 03/02/2009
- karen1p I'm a Fan of karen1p 27 fans permalink
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Have you not been reading that all the greatest and smartest in economists are saying there is no precedent and they have no answers.

We are in a gambling game right now, so don't act like you have all the answers, because if you do, I am sure you could get a VERY high paying position right now. But you don't you are just postering and you sound like a fool

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 03/02/2009
- ltyler01 I'm a Fan of ltyler01 8 fans permalink
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I don't think anyone on this planet has a clue of how to handle this "efed" up crisis. Not all countries will be affected as you state....b­ut I agree...wh­at we are headed for is not good.

We were able to climb out worse situations

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 03/02/2009
- Ugonna I'm a Fan of Ugonna 15 fans permalink
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Wall Street caused the recession, so I don't care what they feel about Obama's plans. They have no judgement that ppl can rely on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 03/02/2009
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There are those who say the reason the stock market is going down is because Obama is spending too much attention on the American people and not enough on the businesses aka the stock market. I have to say the stimulus package wasn't intended for the big businesses. The American people voted for Obama. He serves the American people, not the businesses.

For too long the American people have not been getting served. Corporations and the Madoffs were running this country, they were lying and robbing the American people blind. Majority of the American people are not in the stock market. Majority don't really have much invested in the stock market to begin with, so I simply don't really care much for the corporations.

Obama has invested more on smaller businesses, green jobs, and education, that I believe will help the American people. A big oil corporate company isn't going to help the American people. The lying, stealing wealthy like the Madoffs and Rush who are invested in the Stock Market, they can shoot their brains cause I don't care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 03/02/2009
- gr8abz I'm a Fan of gr8abz 4 fans permalink

You are 'right on' girl. I totally agree with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 03/03/2009
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I've been reading comments here for a month or so, and now I'm ready to post. GWB and the Republican leadership lost their conservative ways and let down America. Republicans paid the price and now we have taken a chance for hope and change and elected Obama. Based on his ACTIONS since taking office it is becoming abundantly clear to all paying attention that they are going to bankrupt this country. Their, budget, health care plan, and especially "green agenda" ( nice global warming rally during the blizzard in D. C. today) are sure to bring us to our knees.The ones who will pay the price for this are our children. What is being proposed is downright "generational theft." Obama, is being led on the stimulus plan by Nancy, Harry and the gang that has certainly not "cleaned up the culture of corruption" that put them in office in 2006. Now they are shoving their over reaching agenda down our throats and the MARKETS are showing their absolute disrespect for him, them and their ideas. The JOB CREATORS in this country are clamping up KNOWING that the same Govt. intrusion, over regulation, increasing taxes that wrecked havoc in California is now coming our way nationally. "Sell Winthorp sell"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 03/02/2009
- HMDMSR I'm a Fan of HMDMSR 46 fans permalink
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No, it's much simpler than all of that. Economics is a make pretend science, and it's way past time to form a cooperative society. So, stop teaching children obsolete, antisocial ideas from an early age. Meanwhile, we'll let rational folks unscramble the mess the free marketeers have made of things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 03/02/2009

I've seen you posting this same drivel in every story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 03/02/2009
- ltyler01 I'm a Fan of ltyler01 8 fans permalink
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Bush let office leaving the citizens of the US with $1.2trill deficit.

Why were you so silent then?

Obama estimates that the deficit will reach $1.7-$1.8t­rill. at the end of 2009. With his plan, he intends to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term. He is going to attempt do this by eliminating wasteful programs and expiring the Bush tax cuts.

Most of you rethugs don't seem to realize that Reagan raised taxes 6 times while he was President because the of deficit he caused by cutting taxes and military spending. At least he had the sense to understand this.

You guys ignore history. and as long as your guy is in control...­anything and everything goes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 03/02/2009
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