Obama On Stock Market: The 'Fits And Starts' Are A Normal Reaction

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BEN FELLER | March 3, 2009 06:41 PM EST | AP

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President Barack Obama meets with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, Tuesday, March 3, 2009. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

WASHINGTON — As Wall Street tumbles, President Barack Obama offered up some investing advice on Tuesday, telling a wary nation that stocks are becoming a "a potentially good deal" for those willing to think long term. The White House later cautioned people not to read too much into the statement.

Obama also said he will not base policy on what he called the "day-to-day gyrations of the stock market." The Dow Jones industrial average fell again Tuesday after plunging on Monday to it lowest level in more than 11 years.

The index has lost more than half its value since a record peak in October 2007. The toll on retirement plans, college savings and nest eggs has been huge.

"You know, the stock market is sort of like a tracking poll in politics," Obama said during an appearance with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown. "It bobs up and down day to day, and if you spend all your time worrying about that, then you're probably going to get the long-term strategy wrong."

Yet lately, Wall Street's direction has been down, period. Investors are in despair over the state of financial companies, the deepening scope of the recession and doubts about the government's various attempts to bolster the banking sector and create jobs.

Obama says those plans will work.

"I'm absolutely confident that credit is going to be flowing again, that businesses are going to start seeing opportunities for investment," he said. "They're going to start hiring again. People are going to be back to work."

The White House is out for a balance. Obama and his aides must recognize the depth of public worry and fear about the unraveling stock market, yet keep trying to get people to understand that Wall Street is just one, volatile measure.

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Obama said his focus is on the long-term recovery of the U.S. and world economy. He said lax regulation and risky, faulty investing have put a beating on the banking sector, which in turn has resulted in a lot of losses.

"It's not surprising that the market is hurting as a consequence," Obama said.

And then he sounded a bit like a financial adviser by referring to a common measure used to assess whether a stock is overvalued or undervalued.

"What you're now seeing is profit and earning ratios starting to get to the point where buying stocks is a potentially good deal," he said, "if you've got a long-term perspective on it."

Was that the president telling people to buy stocks?

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs urged caution. He said people shouldn't "overly read into" any suggestion that they should buy or sell in their particular portfolio. Asked again to calibrate exactly what Obama meant, Gibbs said: "I guess I didn't read into it as much as many people may have."

In his comments with Brown, Obama urged the American people to take a longer view as massive efforts to reshape the economy unfold.

"We are cleaning up a mess," he said. "It's going to be sort of full of fits and starts in terms of getting the mess cleaned up, but it's going to get cleaned up."

WASHINGTON — As Wall Street tumbles, President Barack Obama offered up some investing advice on Tuesday, telling a wary nation that stocks are becoming a "a potentially good deal" for those will...
WASHINGTON — As Wall Street tumbles, President Barack Obama offered up some investing advice on Tuesday, telling a wary nation that stocks are becoming a "a potentially good deal" for those will...
 
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Obama is neglecting Wall Street because it interferes with his agenda to redistribute wealth. He fears if WS succeeds, he won't be able to control the the banks he so desperately wants to nationalize.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 03/09/2009
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Soon we will read how AIG is not going to be able to survive, it will get all broken up into lil companies and there goes all our money. Look at GM, it is over these companies are not going to survive. You can pump billions into a bankrupt company and all we are doing is prolonging the inevitable. This is OUR money, stop acting like it is someone elses!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 03/05/2009

Shouldn't the president know P/E ratio is the price to earnings ratio, not the profit to earnings ratio?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 03/04/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 277 fans permalink

Obama didn't say P/E. He said, "Profits AND earnings ratios".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 03/05/2009

Tens of millions of people get income from dividend checks from a few shares of stock they own. Others get quarterly income from bond coupons. A huge number of Americans have 401K plans that hope to increase in value by owning shares in publicly traded corporations. Massive private and public pension plans are funded through the return on investment in corporations.

Wall Street happens to be the place where stocks and bonds are traded. That's all that it is.

Yet for the benefit of the rabid. .mental defectives­., Obama has managed to demonize the place where stocks and bonds are sold. And so many simpletons on this blog chant 'yeah, skroogh wall street' without having the first notion what they're talking about.

Do you realize that when a company can not pay it’s pension obligations that we, the American people have to step up to the plate and pay those pensions?

There are corrupt people who prey on those who invest in stocks and bonds. There are corrupt politicians like Clinton and Gramm that signed off on legislation that allowed unacceptable risk to be taken in the markets.

But Wall Street is not the enemy. The president chooses to make a main street versus wall street argument to deflect your attention from the very serious problems that we face and the fact that he is both powerless and clueless as to how to get us out of this mess.

Calling Wall Street the enemy is not the solution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 03/04/2009

Bush had eight years to undo any previous corruption. He must have missed that memo too; it must have been attached to "Bin Laden to attack America." "Most of us understand that the stock market is gambling only your odds are now better in Vegas. We ourselves now pay our own pensions which is how you "independent voters" like it. Stock market is a mechanism that allows healthy people to invest in others rather than work themselves. It is a Ponzi scheme. It is check floating rather than creating real value in yourself. We worker bees may be fools for working but at least we have skills! We create value, wall streeters just bet on who is most valuable and pray others agree with them. I think we understand the "stock market.". Like IQ, we now have a number that we measure the economy on: the Dow. % unemployment and % earning above living wage ARE the only real numbers that matter. Rich people hoard money and are lousy tippers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 03/04/2009
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Wall Street is like a kid getting told no ....for the first time after living a life with NO discipline with his parents...­now the real world is showing what life is really like.....T­hey will get over it and GROW UP...
The joke is unearned income....­the paradox of American Values

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 AM on 03/04/2009
- Jezreel I'm a Fan of Jezreel 62 fans permalink
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Hear, hear, SupportTech2.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 03/04/2009
- kiwiman122 I'm a Fan of kiwiman122 7 fans permalink

Good advice prez.....w­hat about the people that can't retire and have to work two jobs in this "great time to buy"......­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 AM on 03/04/2009
- AKAchip I'm a Fan of AKAchip 7 fans permalink

Your situation is not the president's fault. He is the president, not your father who should have told you to get an education and stay in school. That's what mine did. I do not expect the POTUS to give me advise about my personal life. You can do something about your situation- go back to school, there's money out there for that- and get a skill, trade or degree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 03/04/2009
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LOL, Obama should be replacing Conan!

This economeeee ain't coming back--- Amy Goodman talks to Joseph Stiglitz

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/2/25/stieglitz

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 03/04/2009
- ejhickey I'm a Fan of ejhickey 11 fans permalink

Someone posted the following under this thread:

Under Bush, the Dow dropped in just over a year a record 6,215 points (nearly as much as the Dow's total value today of 6,763.29!)
DOW ON 10/9/07 UNDER BUSH = 14,164.53
DOW ON 1/20/09 UNDER BUSH = 7, 949.09
LOST IN 15 MONTHS OF BUSH = 6,215.44

All of the above is true and this works out to average decline of 13.28 points per day under Bush from 10/9/07 to 1/20/09.

However, consider the following: The DOW has declined 1123 points during the 42 days Obama has been President. This works out to an average decline of 26.74 points per day or twice the rate of the Bush decline.

Is President Obama the next FDR or the next Herbert Hoover?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 03/04/2009
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From 8/4/08 to 10/6/08, the Dow lost about 3300 points, for a loss of about 55 points per day. We have to make a distinction between average speed and instantaneous speed, because there are accelerations, positive and negative, all along the way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 03/04/2009
- kiwiman122 I'm a Fan of kiwiman122 7 fans permalink

I'm pretty sure Obama has been president for around a month.....­.his policies are not reconciling anything with investors. And I'm pretty sure Our 11 year record low is "Under Obama".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 AM on 03/04/2009
- AKAchip I'm a Fan of AKAchip 7 fans permalink

He is POTUS Obama, not the Great Kornack. You expect magic "in about a month"? You must be a Rethuglican!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 03/04/2009
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This article sure has brought out the members of NO in great numbers. 'Fits and Starts' is a good way of putting what is happening and what will happen to the stock markets. We are not the only country that has stocks that have lost a lot of value. It is worldwide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 03/03/2009
- baddadd47 I'm a Fan of baddadd47 3 fans permalink

i say yes by all means you libs follow your master and go out and buy stocks right now,bwhaha­hahahahaha­hahahahaha­ha this newbie is just laughable, he is clueless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 03/03/2009
- HMDMSR I'm a Fan of HMDMSR 51 fans permalink
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bwhahahaha­hahahahaha­hahahaha, so should we sell?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 03/03/2009
- ejhickey I'm a Fan of ejhickey 11 fans permalink

too late to sell and too soon to buy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 03/03/2009
- abby4ever I'm a Fan of abby4ever 255 fans permalink
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You mean you are. He said to buy them if you can be in it for the long term. Obviously the best time to buy stock is when it's cheap. Bur if you invest only for the short term, the cheap stock will not have have had enough time to rise in price by the time you sell them. And just as you want to buy cheap, you want to sell expensive, or high.

If you buy them cheap enough and hang onto them long enough, you could make a k i l l i n g, selling them at many times the price you paid for them after having hung onto them for years.

This is basic stuff but it never hurts to remind people; the basics, no matter what you are talking about, always get forgotten FIRST because people, being human, get caught up in the more seductive and highflown kind of stock strategy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 03/04/2009
- HMDMSR I'm a Fan of HMDMSR 51 fans permalink
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You don't want to say that if one runs a race fast enough, one will win one's race. We already know that. The question is: will one win one's race? So, where should the DJIA be? We have to know where it's supposed to be before we can say it will rise. Many are inclined to think it should never have reached 14000. Why shouldn't it decline to 5000, then ride a plateau for 10 years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 03/04/2009
- ejhickey I'm a Fan of ejhickey 11 fans permalink

Obama is getting his advice from Warren Buffett. Warren said the same thing the day before as he was trying to explain why Berkshire Hathaway has dropped 56% in one year because he invested in derivatives and CDOs and made some other stupid (his words ) decisions. Warren alwaysplays the same broken record - Buy and Hold stocks for the long run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 03/04/2009
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Jim Cramer is right about Obama destroying wealth.

The guy has no appetite for business growth. It is sad to see the lack of leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 03/03/2009

One mans wealth is anoughter mans ill gotten gains.SEE Madoff and the banks mortgage cos etc etc.......­......and were at the tip of the iceberg.
Yeah is OBAMA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 PM on 03/03/2009
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I guess you do not want businesses to flourish so they can begin hiring at previous levels.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 03/03/2009

When was the last time Cramer was right? did he see this coming in 2003 like Roubini?
Or 2005 like Krugman?
why do you listen to idiots?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 03/03/2009
- HMDMSR I'm a Fan of HMDMSR 51 fans permalink
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What wealth has he destroyed? Whose was it? You don't mean stocks traded in the secondary market?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 03/03/2009
- MANK I'm a Fan of MANK 23 fans permalink

The 12,000 Dow was just smoke blown up the collective asses of the middle class so the titans could get millions and milions in bonuses. So don't expect those kinds of numbers again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 03/03/2009
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Class warfare again (page 1 of DIMS Rulebook). Don't you guys get tired of whinning?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 03/03/2009
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They hate rich people

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 03/03/2009
- MANK I'm a Fan of MANK 23 fans permalink

WE have time now since unemployment for the middle class is getting higher and higher.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 03/03/2009

The conservatives have allowed big money interests to control the US govt to the point where there is no more competition in the free market, just deviant behavior like creating false worthless paper and selling it sending the world into a Recession, and they are too blind to see it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 03/03/2009

The stupidity of the democrats is really without end.
Obama says that it is normal. How would have any idea what a normal market looks like? He has never even had a job.

Let me help. The market is not a person or a dog. I does not have "moods". If Obama were to do something good for the market it will go up. If he continues to do bad things to or for businesses it will continue to fall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 03/03/2009
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The market is rumors becoming panics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 03/03/2009

the market is a ponzi scheme.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 03/03/2009
- NavyMom44 I'm a Fan of NavyMom44 4 fans permalink

The market will continue to go down since the majority of the stocks comprised of the NYSE are financial stocks, I remember when they took Caterpillar off the average when it's stock price was plummeting. This is where the President is going with his sentiment, if these greedy companies were removed then replaced with healthy companies we would all immediately see a vast difference in the aveages (NYSE & NASDAQ)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 03/03/2009
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Haven't the dividend yields been terrible for 20 years. If the market could always go up, nobody would care about dividend yields. This question is begged--why should the markets keep going up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 03/03/2009
- Alvarask I'm a Fan of Alvarask 11 fans permalink

The market is a glorified casino. Trying to make it "happy" is not the way out of this mess. This one can't be swept under the rug, it has to be cleaned up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 03/03/2009

Krugman called our economy a MADOFF economy.
What does that mean???
Buffet said derivatives are a weapon of mass destruction waiting to happen.
do you know what the would wide derivatives market is worth?
Hundreds of TRILLIONS!!!!!
what brainiac do you think that means?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 03/03/2009
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Just wondering if at this weeks Wednesday night party at the White House they will consider the 30 point drop today a victory.

"There will be no more earmarks in my administration" B Obama-08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 03/03/2009
- HMDMSR I'm a Fan of HMDMSR 51 fans permalink
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Where should the DJIA be--5000 or 10,000? You would have to know where it should be, before you could cheer. If 30 points less than previously is correct, then everyone should cheer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 03/03/2009

How about were it was before the Democrats to over Congress and the Senate? That would be a happy starting point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 03/03/2009
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I think you have the make up for BO's cabinet. That is if you didn't pay your taxes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 03/03/2009
- research I'm a Fan of research 277 fans permalink

Why do so many of you drink the koolaid of

We Need the Private Banks?

Barter and money both existed before banks.

The Treasury can issue it own "greenbacks" anytime it wants and completely bypass the private banks.

Putting the FED under control of the Treasury is the right way to go.

If we do not invalidate Credit Default Swaps

There IS NO POSSIBILITY of rescuing the economy.

You cannot fill the 600T$ derivatives debt. Ever.

The economy is jobs, is people making stuff, it;s never been the banks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 03/03/2009

You are absolutley Right on the MONEY!!
This is a grab by the banks to take over the world economy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 03/03/2009
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