Exclusive: Obama's War Plans Too Costly, Too Vague, And Possibly Too Dangerous, Feingold Warns

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March 4, 2009 10:32 AM

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Sen. Russ Feingold warned on Tuesday that Barack Obama's plans for Iraq and Afghanistan were too vague, too costly, and could -- in the direst of scenarios -- result in the weakening of U.S. national security.

In an interview with the Huffington Post, Feingold went to great lengths to praise the president for making dramatic changes to our international relations approach and diplomatic and military policy. "Certainly," he declared, "the Obama proposals are so much better than the previous administration that you have to at least acknowledge that."

But the Wisconsin Democrat, known for his willingness to buck party orthodoxy on issues of foreign affairs and civil liberties, did little to hide his concern about various aspects of the Obama approach to the two ongoing wars. Addressing Iraq first, Feingold said the decision to leave a residual force of 50,000 troops in that country past 2010 went "way beyond" what was needed and could have serious fiscal and national security implications.

"The first downside is that it is enormously expensive for the United States," said the Senator. "The president has talked repeatedly about the cost of the war. Maintaining 50,000 troops there is a drain on our economy and our ability to recover. But it also perpetuates resentment, in terms of people feeling that this is an occupation of a country. If we can eliminate that perception the better. I understand that where the troops will be place and how they will be viewed publicly will make that less of a problem. So I think that would be a good thing. But I think, basically having 50,000 troops in somebody else's country is not the way you want to go, after all these years, unless it is absolutely essential. And I don't think it is absolutely essential."

Feingold was even more wary of Obama's proposal for Afghanistan. Having expressed concern on this issue well before the election, the Senator repeated what has become for him a tried-and-true mantra: what is the mission?

"In some ways, I'm even more concerned about this proposal for Afghanistan than I am about the president's plans for Iraq," he said, "because I don't think the policy review and plan is in place to explain why these troops are going there. ... It doesn't really build an understanding of the relationship between Afghanistan and Pakistan, which is the central problem. So to just put more troops into Afghanistan without a clear purpose, to me, is putting the cart before the horse and it is not the way to go."

In the worst of scenarios, Feingold warned, an influx of troops into Afghanistan would lead to the Taliban fleeing into neighboring Pakistan. "Think of the problems with Pakistan involving the Taliban," he said. Would the United States be obligated to move ground forces into Pakistan? And where were the "non-military aspects of trying to bring stability" to both those countries?

Through it all, the Senator punctuated his observations with broader compliments for the new direction the Obama administration was taking. He praised the president for an "historic departure from the lawlessness of the Bush administration, on everything from the announcement [of the closing of] Guantanamo and [the ending of] torture to the release of some of the key documents relating to some of the abuses." The new White House, in short, was a breath of fresh air.

But those accomplishments were not enough for Feingold to keep quiet his disagreements, among which he included the assertion of executive powers that boarded on exceeding the boundaries of the Constitution. The Senate expressed a mix of concern and mild disappointment with two recent moves by the administration. The first: to give the Attorney General the authority to determine the merit of a lawsuit against a telecommunications company involved in the government's warrantless wiretapping program (the administration was overruled by the courts). The second: to deny detainees being held in Afghanistan the right to legally challenge their detention.

"There are going to be times with any administration where the push for executive power with the perception that it is necessary with national security will conflict with some of the views that I think are equally supportive of national security but avoid obsessive government secrecy," said Feingold. "I think all of these things raise issues. And we have to take them one at a time and consider them. But what I've found is that the administration is willing to engage in a real conversation about this without making what I consider to be dangerous accretions about the powers of the Constitution as they relate to the president."

Sen. Russ Feingold warned on Tuesday that Barack Obama's plans for Iraq and Afghanistan were too vague, too costly, and could -- in the direst of scenarios -- result in the weakening of U.S. national ...
Sen. Russ Feingold warned on Tuesday that Barack Obama's plans for Iraq and Afghanistan were too vague, too costly, and could -- in the direst of scenarios -- result in the weakening of U.S. national ...
 
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I see a lot of campaign revisionists on this forum. I don't know about you, but one of the reasons I voted for Obama (and yes, there were many) was his strong opposition to the Iraq war and his promise to END it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 AM on 03/05/2009
- Montgriz I'm a Fan of Montgriz 36 fans permalink

Ditto....and an end to the Afghanistan adventure or at least a plausible reason to be there. Of course, I did not know then that he would appoint most of the Clinton crowd, reinforce the cesspool of corruption known as the Faith based initiative, rubber stamp many of the worst policies of George Bush/Cheney......not to mention avoiding the do not ask or tell in the militry, the Patriot
Act, illegal immigration.....bailouts to Wqall St not Main St....and keep the same old Israeli policy that is the cause of much of the world's ills....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 03/05/2009
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You nailed my feelings exactly Montgriz!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 03/13/2009
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The bottom line is Pres Obama fed us a line of BS during the campaign. One of his most prominent campaign promises was ending the war and bringing home ALL of the troops. Then his 16 month timeline extended to 18 months. Now he says 50,000 troops, no small number, will be in Iraq well past 2010. They can call them a residual force or whatever misleading term the administration wants to use, but they are troops, American soldiers, plain and simple. We've been lied to, period.

Don't let the generals run YOUR white house Mr. Obama. Bring them home and end this madness in occupying middle east countries, both Iraq and Afghanistan. I could give a rats @ss about the Taliban taking over Afghanistan. Like the Russians, we will never be able to fix that "country's" problems, just like will we never be able to stop terrorists from gathering in other countries we are NOT occupying to plot against western nations. It's a futile effort. Put that money into protecting our homeland, doing all of the things that Bush promised Homeland Security would do, but never delivered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 03/05/2009
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Dear President Obama:

Listen to this fine Senator, he has your best interests at heart. Thank you Senator Feingold for speaking the truth on this matter. The supporters of President Obama want to see him succeed well into a second term, and conceivably pave the way for you sir, in 2016.

I certainly hope Obama listens to Sen. Feingold because his is a voice of reason and practicality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 AM on 03/05/2009

What good is that President Obama is a rational man unlike his predecessor. He's got no ego problems. I am sure Mr. Obama would not mind having a healthy debate about what he has proposed which will results with an optimum strategy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 03/05/2009
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Bush is the low bar---I could do better than Bush. My neighbor's cat can do better than Bush. The point is we want to see a rational and balanced approach in dealing with extracting American involvement in these two countries. We cannot and should not be there in such large numbers in Iraq--post August 2010. I still do not understand the plan for Afghanistan, other than sending an additional 17,000 troops. Am I the only one that doesn't get his Afghanistan strategy, or is there one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 03/05/2009
- texanna I'm a Fan of texanna 32 fans permalink

I never did put too much stock in that campaign speech that candidate Obama made regarding the invasion of Iraq. Mostly, because as soon as he got to the Senate he voted "for" every bill that came down the pipe that had anything to do with the invasion/occupation. I would have welcomed being completely wrong about his war policies, though, if it meant that he didn't buy into the rubbish that Afghanistan is a "good war" and all we need to do is put more troops there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 03/04/2009

i disagree. i actually think he talked very sensibly during the campaign and he is doing exactly what he said. the problem is that some people don't think he is moving fast enough. i think he is doing fine.

what do you expect him to do with the bill in the senate? the dem tried several times unsuccessfully to force prez bush to withdraw. do you want him to starve the troops? or cut off their supplies? back then, sen obama maintained that we had only bad options when it comes to iraq. fortunately, things are better now, so we can start withdrawing the troops without iraq descending into a civil war.

on afghanistan, he is doing the right thing in sending in the 17k troop to stabilize the country. once his review is done, then he can implement the next step. sure, there is always a risk of "creeping mission," but there is a risk of not doing anything. what do you think would happen if he decides to leave afghanistan and AQ strikes and kill several thousands in the u.s.? it would be an uproar.

so before we monday morning quarterbacks start to rant, perhaps we should be humble to realize the complexity and difficulties of these situations and stop criticizing the prez who is also busy doing several other things at once.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 03/05/2009
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No, that's not what he said. He never said "I'll end this war and bring most troops home in 2010, but leave 50,00 around for some indeterminate time." Is that what YOU heard him say? What were you smoking?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 03/05/2009
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Feingold, the only good man in the Senate, is right as usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 03/04/2009
- Montgriz I'm a Fan of Montgriz 36 fans permalink

Thjere are many good people in the Senate....Tester, Snowe, Boxer, Collins, Hagel....you seem to focus on the ones who do the talk head tv and radio shows....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 03/05/2009

I agree with Feingold, as usual. Although I've generally been a strong Obama supporter, I found his stance on escalating the U.S. troop involvement in Afghanistan to be quite worrisome throughout the campaign. I'd hate to see our country get sucked into an intractable conflict that could involve both Afghanistan and Pakistan. This could prove to be far worse than the situation in Iraq--just ask the Russians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 03/04/2009

But as Oba "god" says : he wan!

B H Obama is the perfect case of an affirmative action president. Do not expect that he has the ability to govern better than his predecessor who was a quite incompetent daddy's boy.

May be there is some hope if some competent democratic senators and other public representatives ( or is it an oxymoron to be competent and democrate?) start to confront the president limitations .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 PM on 03/04/2009

are you the only competent person to govern then? you criticize and are skeptical about everyone. maybe it is time to confront you own arrogance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 03/05/2009
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Affirmative Action President?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 03/05/2009
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http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/mar/09/00018/

Cutting military spending is politically unpopular, but more dollars don’t make a better Army.
By Winslow T. Wheeler and Pierre M. Sprey

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 03/04/2009
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Feingold is preaching ideology over pragmatism and realism...

this is the same man who said John McCain would make a fine President, so I am not sure his judgment is not exactly there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 03/04/2009

Or maybe he is preaching peace over more war?

Congratulations, for being the 100th person on this thread (OK I didn't really count them, you could be the 80th or 140th) to point out the McCain as President statement by Feingold.
At lest many of the others had the decency to point out it was a classic moment of "gotcha journalism" where he was cornered and said the politically correct thing.

Funny how Obama has made numerous compliments to Bush and McCain in similar circumstances. Politeness in a moment where everyone knows it is BS.
But hey, if that is all you have to use against Russ, I guess you have to go with it?

Lucky for us peace lovers that we can just accept the wise words of Feingold and be thankful for someone who is trying to stop the evil Bush wars.
You Bush lovers need to remember that the American people voted to end these wars.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 03/04/2009
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I am glad Sen. Feingold is not part of a herd mentality, that he will be a voice of reason and speak up even if it is unpopular.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 03/05/2009

This is the man who shouldve been President. He is the real deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 03/04/2009
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Agreed. Who do you have to vote for to get us out of Iraq? If I wanted Bush policies, I would have voted for McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 03/04/2009
- teron678 I'm a Fan of teron678 129 fans permalink
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Being a critic is different from governing ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 03/04/2009

Working to end war is different from working to escalate it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 03/04/2009
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God Forbade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 03/04/2009
- MalakAlHaq I'm a Fan of MalakAlHaq 14 fans permalink

Absolutely!!! I'd vote for him in a minute.

Do you hear that President Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 03/04/2009
- Buffyboy I'm a Fan of Buffyboy 13 fans permalink

Can you imagine ANY Republican national figure saying ANYTHING negative about ANYTHING George W. Bush said, or did during his first term?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 03/04/2009

It would appear that Senator Finegold's opinions are unsolicited. If memory serves me correct, there is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, each branch of service has a Chief - that makes at least five, four star generals that are paid to give military opinions - not the Senator who, as far as I can ascertain, never spent one day in uniform. Plus the Secretary of Defense. I am sure that the Senator has the best interest of this country at heart, but he doesn't have the expertise to tell the military what to do or not to do. Not his pay grade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 03/04/2009
- rizvisa1 I'm a Fan of rizvisa1 5 fans permalink

Senator have an excellent track record when it comes to security related issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 03/04/2009
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Thats the beauty of our system Everyone has an opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 03/04/2009

The man sits on the intelligence committee, foreign relations committee, and the budget committee in the senate, so it isn't above his pay grade at all. It is a duty of those serving in these capacities to be critical of our military and diplomatic strategy. It was people being quiet that got us into the mess of a war that we are in now. Lets learn from our mistakes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 03/04/2009
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If there are this many Obama supporters and I AM ONE, that are this defensive about his Iraq/Afghanistan stategy, then perhaps it could use some shoring up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 03/05/2009
- iblog I'm a Fan of iblog 23 fans permalink

Someone mentioned that Feingold should go to the generals and that idea was shot down because of the obvious problems with Generals that may be Bush lobbyists. But not all are.

but I think the commenter was rying to make a larger point in saying that Feingold should go to the source to get his questions answered. Not make a public whine about "what If's".

If he doesn't think Obama will never do a good enough job, then he needs to show us how it's done. But he couldn't get his campaign beyond the couple of Youtubes done in his backyard.

He knows very well there will be humanitarian efforts done in Iraq. We have to. Look at what we've done to them. Civilians can't go over there with humanitarian efforts. People are getting shot building schools.

Our military once long ago was part of doing good works in other countries. We often forget that's happened. Feingold knows this. I think he knows much more of the broader plan that he's willing to admit.

If he doesn't, then just like yesterday, he tipped off every criminal to what was being talked about with the Truth Commission without having any real position in that. Yet, he challenges Obama to "do what he says".

He's irrevelant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 03/04/2009
- iblog I'm a Fan of iblog 23 fans permalink

Excuse the many typos please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 03/04/2009
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Well, Gates and Petreaus are certainly Bush loyalists and this endless war and stay the course, we'll leave when Iraq is stable isn't too hard to predict. The hard part to predict is when will that really be. Feingold has the right to talk to whoever he wants to talk to. It's still a free country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 03/04/2009
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Obama patterned himself after Feingold, in the Senate I think he is very relevant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 03/05/2009
- newdates I'm a Fan of newdates 4 fans permalink

Feingold is right when we continue wasting resources to maintain the long supply lines for nothing.
The Iraqi should pay for the costs too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 03/04/2009
- iblog I'm a Fan of iblog 23 fans permalink

They should pay for us massacring them?

Again?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 03/04/2009

Yes !It may be a better alternative to save few bucks than the Obamanomics

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 03/04/2009

Feingold 2012 !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 03/04/2009
- rizvisa1 I'm a Fan of rizvisa1 5 fans permalink

Nope, country is not ready for him yet. and it is a pity too

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 03/04/2009
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I think 2016 will be his year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 03/05/2009
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