Orszag: Give Stimulus Some Time To Work

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PHILIP ELLIOTT | March 8, 2009 01:57 PM EST | AP

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Budget Director Peter Orszag testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, March 3, 2009, before the House Budget Committee hearing on the fiscal year 2010 federal budget. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)

WASHINGTON — The White House's top budget official declared on Sunday that "fundamentally, the economy is weak" while saying the administration's own financial predictions could need a revision by midyear.

Peter Orszag, President Barack Obama's Office of Management and Budget director, said in television interviews that the economic downturn has been years in the making but cautioned that the new administration wasn't yet looking at a second economic stimulus package. Orszag said the already-in-place $787 billion stimulus should have a chance to work before officials ask Congress to consider a sequel.

"I don't think we should be chasing our tail, constantly revising assumptions," Orszag said. "Let's see what happens, let it work. We'll have a mid-session review later in the year. We'll have an opportunity to revise the assumptions at that point."

That revision, though, seemed unavoidable.

Obama's budget assumes the economy will grow at about 3.2 percent. Given climbing unemployment, shrinking credit and a general frustration over a crumbling economy, that now seems unrealistic.

Orszag acknowledged the federal budget is "uglier than we would like," but he blamed most of the spending on last year's budget process and defended Obama's decision to go forward with it without seeking more changes.

"This is like your relief pitcher coming in into the ninth inning and wanting to redo the whole game," he said. "Next year, we will be the starting pitcher and the game is going to be completely different."

The $410 billion spending bill includes the kinds of lawmakers' pet projects that Obama pledged as a candidate to eliminate. His top aides say Obama would overlook for now the time-tested tradition that allows lawmakers to divert millions at a time to pet projects, called "earmarks," in the hopes of moving on.

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The measure expected to be voted on by the Senate this week keeps the government open for business through Sept. 30, when the federal budget year ends. Taxpayers for Common Sense, a watchdog group, identified almost 8,600 earmarks totaling $7.7 billion; Democrats say the number is $3.8 billion and that just under half of the projects come from GOP lawmakers.

Orszag also pleaded for patience as the 6-week-old administration looks for solutions: "Well, I think fundamentally, the economy is weak. Job losses began in January of 2008. The stock market started declining October 2007. This has been, you know, eight years in the making, and again, it's going to take some time to work our way out of it."

Republicans weren't swayed by Orszag's arguments, saying the Democratic spending bill doesn't address the problems or keep Obama's campaign pledges.

"First of all, if you make a promise, people expect that you live up to it. And that's why this administration's refusal to go in and change this bill, I think, is a false position," said Rep. Eric Cantor, the GOP's No. 2 official.

"There is no way anyone could take what Mr. Orszag has said with any credibility," Cantor said. "Of course they're negotiating on this bill in the Senate right now. To say that 'we would have drawn it differently' but leave $430 billion-plus dollars on the table like this? No way."

Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio tried to remain civil in his opposition.

"Listen, I want to work with the president on behalf of the American people," Boehner said. "That's what they sent us to Washington to do. And while I like the president as much as the American people do _ I think he's a great guy _ there are serious differences in terms of the approach that he would like to take and the approach that I think many Republicans would like to take."

Boehner said it's unacceptable that taxpayers would subsidize mortgages under Obama's plan, which aims to slow foreclosure rates and stem plummeting home values as neighborhoods spout "for sale" signs.

Other Republicans also criticized the administration's approach. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said officials have erred in not dealing more specifically _ and harshly _ with banks and the lending crisis.

"I don't think they've made the tough decisions. Some of these banks have to fail," McCain said.

Sen. Richard Shelby, an Alabama Republican, said some of the big banks in trouble ought to be closed.

"Close them down, get them out of business. If they're dead, they ought to be buried," Shelby said. "We bury the small banks; we've got to bury some big ones and send a strong message to the market. And I believe that people will start investing in banks."

The faltering banking giant Citi _ the government recently increased its stake in Citi to more than 30 percent _ has always been "a problem child," Shelby said.

Orszag defended the administration's stark assessment of the economy, arguing that honesty would matter more than spin.

"People have been critical that we've either been too optimistic or too pessimistic. What the president is trying to do is tell the truth," said Orszag, who linked the nation's economy to its health care costs.

Orszag appeared on CNN's "State of the Union" and CBS's "Face the Nation." Cantor appeared on CNN while Boehner was on CBS. McCain appeared on "Fox News Sunday" and Shelby on ABC's "This Week."

WASHINGTON — The White House's top budget official declared on Sunday that "fundamentally, the economy is weak" while saying the administration's own financial predictions could need a revision ...
WASHINGTON — The White House's top budget official declared on Sunday that "fundamentally, the economy is weak" while saying the administration's own financial predictions could need a revision ...
 
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- serena1313 I'm a Fan of serena1313 46 fans permalink

While I understand no one can predict the outcome, republicans feel the need to criticize Obama before the stimulus money has even been allocated anyhow. Repeating the same thing over and over again expecting different results is insanity. Americans lived thru that for 8 years and the fall-out has yet to cease...

Thanks to Boehner and his colleagues for passing Bush's deregulation legislation and lax oversight led to predatory lending practices by financial institutions. Attempts to frame the mortgage issue as the homeowners fault are disingenuous. Boehner is not looking after tax payers, he is using that as a way to incite anger. Notably missing from the conversation is the fact brokers were in bed with the lenders who were in bed with the appraisers. Lenders were trained to mislead borrowers, misstate income or create documents -- whatever it took -- to fund the loans. In exchange they received cash bonuses.

Granted there are no tried and true measures to fix this mess, mainly because it is global. At least Obama implemented viable, pragmatic policies.

Time will tell whether they work and if proven unsuccessful it will not be due to repeating the same mistakes from the past 8-years.

Any criticism is premature notwithstanding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 03/09/2009
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"Boehner said it's unacceptable that taxpayers would subsidize mortgages under Obama's plan, which aims to slow foreclosure rates and stem plummeting home values as neighborhoods spout "for sale" signs."
Lots of the foreclosure are on military families that got screwed by Republican congressional policies. This is the Republican answer to the "VA Bill" = throw them out of their houses because they are a bunch of losers that enlisted to SERVE their country. You see, in Repub eyes, all public service is for losers. Now, if they are Blackwater mercenaries, they won't be losing their houses because Blackwater paid many times more than a military salary. So the rethugs think those mercenaries are the REAL patriots. In fact, maybe they will be secretly hiring sonderful private-sector Xe combatants to fight against American Democrats some day soon. Private sector - paid by the public sector???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 03/08/2009
- rblaquinta I'm a Fan of rblaquinta 20 fans permalink

Peter you are truly the man!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 03/08/2009
- Lillopa I'm a Fan of Lillopa 3 fans permalink

I would like to see on all channels Candor or Gop push "their pencils" not their mouths-- with Peter O on tv--push their pencils with the true math numbers each repulbcains and Pres plans for all to see. true numbers show and proof to us their postive plan to get us out of this economy crises. Freeze spending is stopping all of us not to purchase and its results leads only to more job loses--

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 03/08/2009

PREFER PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SOLUTION to many of the alternative solutions that I have heard from Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingraham, Republican members of Congress and Fox News. THEIR ALTERNATIVES ARE:

LET THE FREE MARKETS WORK! There will be a lot of PAIN, but we will be better off in the long run. That philosophy may well bring on a Depression.

Another one, POORLY OPERATED and FLAWED BUSINESS MODELS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO FAIL. Does that mean that AIG, CITI, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Merrill Lynch, Wachovia, Bank of America, General Motors and Chrysler should be allowed to FAIL? How about FIX instead of FAIL?

Would anyone wish to estimate the VALUE of the DOW if those corporations were allowed to fail?

The last one, PEOPLE THAT PURCHASED HOMES THEY COULD NOT AFFORD should suffer the consequences. Would it help the DOW if more and more foreclosures occur, neighborhoods deteriorate and housing values continue to decline?

How would WALL STREET react if all those mortgage backed securities it currently owns wind up having even less value?

Perhaps, Wall Street does get anxious about President Obama policies since he has no Republican support or cooperation to promote sensible solutions instead of disastrous ones.

A STRETCH YOU SAY! How about the Republican governors refusing to accept STIMULUS MONEY to help their citizens and give a badly needed boost to their state’s economy.

How about THE MISSISSIPPI LEGISLATURE having to enact legislation to overrule their governor on the acceptance of stimulus money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 03/08/2009
- MacQ I'm a Fan of MacQ 45 fans permalink

Wall street recognizes that some of those companies have already failed.
Wall street recognizes that we are now encouraged to invest not in solid companies, but in those that will be propped up artificially by government subsidies.
The free market would not be painful at all. We would have already see an upswing by now.
Instead, with these FDR solutions, we will reap what he did: a depression. A long one.
Better off in the long run? Dream on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 03/08/2009

This ignores the fact that the Depression started well before FDR ever took office. Recovery was brought on first by the New Deal and then the massive increase of government spending that was World War II. To come up with some other theory that somehow FDR caused the GD four years before taking office (1929 being the start of it) is at best misinformed and at worst disingenuous.

Your statement about investing in government propped up companies ignores the fact that the publicly traded companies taking TARP money are trading at lows rather than highs. Refer to Bank of America and Citigroup's current trading prices. Much of the turmoil on Wall Street is the usual bad news coming quickly. The statement you made demonstrates a willful ignorance of the facts.

Free market fundamentalism is what lead to the first depression and indeed to the current crisis. "The market will correct itself" sounds wonderful in theory, but that correction will be another, far worse Depression. If you're comfortable for the sort of fatalism, good for you. The market is not some omniscient entity. It's an amalgam of investors, millions of people hearing the same bad news that we all are hearing, attempting to cut their losses.

And to the "the free market isn't painful" comment: tell that to someone who lost their job and benefits during this downturn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 03/08/2009
- LeighAnnes I'm a Fan of LeighAnnes 26 fans permalink

The idea that the "free market" works for Wall Street is total nonsense because CEOs and other top executives continue to rake in huge salaries regardless of their company's performance. If they actually get fired for doing a poor job, they get their multi-million dollar golden parachute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 03/08/2009
- rblaquinta I'm a Fan of rblaquinta 20 fans permalink

theone718 I am with you cable chatter....makes me itch.....they just fill the air with Pat Buchanan..people listen to him WHY?????? PAT BUCHANAN is now the face of the repugs...good luck with that!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 03/08/2009
- Lillopa I'm a Fan of Lillopa 3 fans permalink

freeze spending --more lost jobs--tax cuts for whom the rich? because millions of Americans have lost their jobs! so where is tax cuts going to help if their is no pay checks--less less pay checks! Reps put your "our money where your mouth is--freeze freeze freezwe congress pork bill right now then in congress and quit trying to pass the buck on Pres Obama--freeze your pork bill in congress--

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 03/08/2009
- Whatashame I'm a Fan of Whatashame 19 fans permalink
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The news media are a bunch of iliterate idiots. Most of them got where they are because of their skin colour.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 03/08/2009
- ymuttley I'm a Fan of ymuttley 2 fans permalink

I'm guessing your white! what a stupid comment,to say commentators got where they are is because of color. You must be a fox station watcher! because if you put them all together,its the WHITE, people there on that channel who who seem to be iliterate.I mean anyone can spew hate !
Now substance,thats a different story. I agree that alot of them are just soundbite readers.But! it's not because of their color.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 03/08/2009

After the election, polls showed majority of the nation was willing to give the Obama administration up to two years to fix the economy because they understood it's not an instant fix. Actually the media reported these polls. So why they now want it done within two months totally beats me. Goodness, it's like they thought the passing of the stim bill solves the crisis immediately. What idiots!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 03/08/2009

Exactly, and the ARRA was signed into law, what, 3 weeks ago? What did they think was going to happen? The economy turns around overnight?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 03/08/2009
- schatsie I'm a Fan of schatsie 87 fans permalink

Orszag is doing a great job answering the questions from these right wingers...REMEMBER all the Repugs have been to the Rush Limbaugh and Carl Rove School of Politics...that is call your opponents 'childish'....NOBODY is saying Bill Gates is CHILDISH for wanting to keep his charitable tax deduction in this time....HECK, give the same tax breaks to everyone and then see where we go, that is PUBLICIZE GATES TAX RETURN and let us all take the HOME OFFICE DEDUCTIONS the transportation deduction( I sure want to tax deduct my car, maintenance gas and insurance...)

GET DAVID KAY JOHNSON over to IRS now and get the numbers out to the REAL PEOPLE...These guys will LIE until the cows come home....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 03/08/2009
- IowaKid I'm a Fan of IowaKid 18 fans permalink
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I'm sick and tired of the media treating the Stim Bill like an instant answer to everyones problems. Geez get real the signing of the bill hasn't even been a month old. As was pointed out in this morning given the same situation to the Reagan administration the media gave them 20 MONTHS talk about lope sided reporting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 03/08/2009
- schatsie I'm a Fan of schatsie 87 fans permalink

Thse Republican commenters are totally spinning the questions and the answers against the DEMS...NOT ONE is asking about the reponsibility of the Republicans for getting us into this mess..

15000 tax cuts for anyone who can buy and who would that be? It would not be the 60% with incomes less than 60 grand...

Just like they are whining about a cut in Bill Gates tax dedution reduction for charitable giving...NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THE 60% at the bottom who get NO TAX DEDUCTION AT ALL...for charity or property taxes or interest...My son has 3 children and he gets to DEDUCT NOTHING...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 03/08/2009
- theone718 I'm a Fan of theone718 23 fans permalink
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Why is the news media so impatient? Do they literally think we would see results from the Stim bill in one week?!? I really have to stop watching cable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 03/08/2009

I've stopped. These media people are really losing their minds. It's like the twilight zone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 03/08/2009
- RiceStarz I'm a Fan of RiceStarz 80 fans permalink

I have as well. Too much negativity and fear mongering. The spinning of their reporting was doing my head in. Fortunately, our President speaks directly to us. He tells the truth and is very accessible. I'll listen to him and not what the talking heads have to say to keep ratings, which I am certain are tanking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 03/08/2009

I've learned that the media will always chase a story, even if it isn't a story. Cable news needs a narrative to keep itself afloat daily, and that means stirring up controversy. It preys on people's inability to synthesize several different sources, and uses differing viewpoints not to offer up a full picture as they claim but rather to get people to tune in.

Why do you think Republicans do so well in the media? They are always itching for a fight, can boil their viewpoint down to 30 second sound, and can use "media guilt" very effectively. Reagan's castigation of the "liberal media" has yielded returns time and again. Consider the coverage of Palin. It was initially critical (as it usually is with new political figures), but after a few GOP critiques about the media being SO MEAN to poor little Sarah the media backed off. It wasn't until she decimated herself in interviews that she was once again under the microscope.

In the end, the Fourth Estate craves conflict over fact, because it makes for better copy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 03/08/2009
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