Climate Deniers Gather In Times Square

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Huffington Post   |  Dave Burdick   |   04/ 9/09 05:12 AM

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This week, more than 600 people have gathered in New York for the International Conference on Climate Change. But it may not be what you think -- it's a conference organized by the conservative Heartland Institute, which doesn't believe in climate change.

It comes on the heels of a gathering of some 12,000 young climate activists -- who favor action to stop climate change -- in Washington, DC.

This year's conference has its high points and its low points for organizers. Among the high points is one of its special guests -- the president of the Czech Republic.

Conference organisers were celebrating something of a coup in securing as a keynote speaker the Czech president, Václav Klaus, at a time when his country holds the rotating presidency of the EU. Klaus, a Eurosceptic, believes that efforts to protect the world from the impact of climate change are an assault on freedom.


In his remarks last night, Klaus accused European governments of being "alarmist" on the subject of climate change and in thrall to radical environmentalists.

"They probably do not want to reveal their true plans and ambitions to stop economic development and return mankind several centuries back," he said.

But Klaus and the others at the conference are being abandoned and questioned by others who only last year would have stood beside them. The New York Times' Andrew Revkin points out a wide variety of reasons that the conference is a bit weaker than usual, including the fact that not even Exxon wants to sponsor it now:

But two years after the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded with near certainty that most of the recent warming was a result of human influences, global warming's skeptics are showing signs of internal rifts and weakening support.


The meeting participants hold a wide range of views of climate science. Some concede that humans probably contribute to global warming but they argue that the shift in temperatures poses no urgent risk. Others attribute the warming, along with cooler temperatures in recent years, to solar changes or ocean cycles.

But large corporations like Exxon Mobil, which in the past financed the Heartland Institute and other groups that challenged the climate consensus, have reduced support. Many such companies no longer dispute that the greenhouse gases produced by burning fossil fuels pose risks.

This week, more than 600 people have gathered in New York for the International Conference on Climate Change. But it may not be what you think -- it's a conference organized by the conservative Heartl...
This week, more than 600 people have gathered in New York for the International Conference on Climate Change. But it may not be what you think -- it's a conference organized by the conservative Heartl...
 
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Oh I love it how you call them "people." Ignore that many of the 600 people were some of the top climatologists from around the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 03/09/2009
- doriath22 I'm a Fan of doriath22 9 fans permalink

According to themselves, not their peers in the scientific community.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 03/09/2009
- Lemmy I'm a Fan of Lemmy 19 fans permalink

You mean not according to the loons who actually believe in the global warming/climate change myth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 03/09/2009
- Ray46 I'm a Fan of Ray46 5 fans permalink

Only 600 people?
The Flat Earth Society has a membership of about 3000!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_society

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 03/09/2009
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haha amazing that there are even this many people STILL denying the effects of climate change. Ignorance! Stamp it out!

A part of me wants to just shake these people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 03/09/2009
- Neonmoon I'm a Fan of Neonmoon 2 fans permalink

You'll be shaking till your arms drop off!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 03/09/2009
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You'll be shaking them, and they'll look directly in your face and deny that you are shaking them, and then they'll attribute their shaking to some natural phenomenon that people don't cause, like earthquakes, so why bother trying to stop the shaking...­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 03/09/2009
- affidavit I'm a Fan of affidavit 17 fans permalink
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Next year they should save money by combining their conference with the Flat Earth Society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 03/09/2009
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Nit wits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 03/09/2009
- doriath22 I'm a Fan of doriath22 9 fans permalink

Fullofbull, the well informed expert....­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 03/09/2009
- NCRDIBULL I'm a Fan of NCRDIBULL 7 fans permalink

12000 young climate activists?­... How about maybe 2000 youngsters who were shipped based on emotion as opposed to upwards of 2400 ACTUAL SCIENTISTS WHO DISAGREE ...I came up with 2400 by using the same formula you used to come up with 12000

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 03/09/2009
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 84 fans permalink

Last week HufPo commenter Kangagirl found likely real numbers and posted them and pointers to her source. Others added comments about other sources that back up her numbers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/05/al-gore-turns-down-debate_n_172371.html?page=12&show_comment_id=21655150#comment_21655150

A likely close number for the ratio of peer-reviewed scientists who deny vs those who support the contention of anthropomorphic climate change at about 0.5%
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 03/09/2009
- MGhamma I'm a Fan of MGhamma 15 fans permalink

So why didn't these "2400 ACTUAL SCIENTISTS WHO DISAGREE".­... show up at this conference to give it some credibility? Why are they always a no-show?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 03/09/2009
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These scientists must have been doing a dutiful job of ignoring the scholarly journals of the field.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 03/09/2009
- Neonmoon I'm a Fan of Neonmoon 2 fans permalink

Because unlike liberals they have jobs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 03/09/2009
- MGhamma I'm a Fan of MGhamma 15 fans permalink

Seems the formula you used is the same one deniers always use. You just pulled something out of your AntiScienc­eSyndrome.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 03/09/2009
- MGhamma I'm a Fan of MGhamma 15 fans permalink

So if 12,000 is actually 2,000, then 600 is actually 100. That is, if you're using the right formula.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 03/09/2009
- protagonia I'm a Fan of protagonia 77 fans permalink

TroIIs are never given enough details by their handlers to back up anything they assert, even while demanding that others give them volumes of facts for them to dismiss.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 03/09/2009
- alvdh1 I'm a Fan of alvdh1 24 fans permalink

Putting a pv solar system or wind turbine on your roof gives you control over the utility and your energy destiny. Someone had to build and install the system and got paid to do it. What part of this activity enslaved you? Does paranoia run pampant among you deniers or does it just come natural.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 03/09/2009
- Neonmoon I'm a Fan of Neonmoon 2 fans permalink

I would love to see what you house looks like with it's wind turbine on the roof.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 03/09/2009

So what if its not super pretty, Id like to see what your house looks like when you cant afford to pay the bills. hmmm oh yea, it wont exist and will get bought up on foreclosure

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 03/09/2009

The problem is when a crisis arrives, it gets exploited and used to further control and enslave people. I think this subconsciously drives these skeptics opposition to 'fixing' the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 03/09/2009
- Exusian I'm a Fan of Exusian 25 fans permalink

Bingo!

The physical phenomenon of global warming/climate change actually has little to do with the 'scepitcism' of a large portion, perhaps the vast majority of those who simply refuse to accept the scientific consensus. Their refusal is instead motivated by political, ideological and financial interests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 03/09/2009

Because they did it in the past, they think the next person will do it.

Obama isnt trying to help the US get out of the recession and become less dependent on foreign supplies, hes trying to further it and making everyone dependent on his existence (lmao)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 03/09/2009
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