More Americans Say They Have No Religion

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RACHEL ZOLL | 03/ 9/09 12:14 AM | AP

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A wide-ranging study on American religious life found that the Roman Catholic population has been shifting out o of the Northeast to the Southwest, the percentage of Christians in the nation has declined and more people say they have no religion at all.

Fifteen percent of respondents said they had no religion, an increase from 14.2 percent in 2001 and 8.2 percent in 1990, according to the American Religious Identification Survey.

Northern New England surpassed the Pacific Northwest as the least religious region, with Vermont reporting the highest share of those claiming no religion, at 34 percent. Still, the study found that the numbers of Americans with no religion rose in every state.

"No other religious bloc has kept such a pace in every state," the study's authors said.

In the Northeast, self-identified Catholics made up 36 percent of adults last year, down from 43 percent in 1990. At the same time, however, Catholics grew to about one-third of the adult population in California and Texas, and one-quarter of Floridians, largely due to Latino immigration, according to the research.

Nationally, Catholics remain the largest religious group, with 57 million people saying they belong to the church. The tradition gained 11 million followers since 1990, but its share of the population fell by about a percentage point to 25 percent.

Christians who aren't Catholic also are a declining segment of the country.

In 2008, Christians comprised 76 percent of U.S. adults, compared to about 77 percent in 2001 and about 86 percent in 1990. Researchers said the dwindling ranks of mainline Protestants, including Methodists, Lutherans and Episcopalians, largely explains the shift. Over the last seven years, mainline Protestants dropped from just over 17 percent to 12.9 percent of the population.

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The report from The Program on Public Values at Trinity College in Hartford, Conn., surveyed 54,461 adults in English or Spanish from February through November of last year. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 0.5 percentage points. The findings are part of a series of studies on American religion by the program that will later look more closely at reasons behind the trends.

The current survey, being released Monday, found traditional organized religion playing less of a role in many lives. Thirty percent of married couples did not have a religious wedding ceremony and 27 percent of respondents said they did not want a religious funeral.

About 12 percent of Americans believe in a higher power but not the personal God at the core of monotheistic faiths. And, since 1990, a slightly greater share of respondents _ 1.2 percent _ said they were part of new religious movements, including Scientology, Wicca and Santeria.

The study also found signs of a growing influence of churches that either don't belong to a denomination or play down their membership in a religious group.

Respondents who called themselves "non-denominational Christian" grew from 0.1 percent in 1990 to 3.5 percent last year. Congregations that most often use the term are megachurches considered "seeker sensitive." They use rock style music and less structured prayer to attract people who don't usually attend church. Researchers also found a small increase in those who prefer being called evangelical or born-again, rather than claim membership in a denomination.

Evangelical or born-again Americans make up 34 percent of all American adults and 45 percent of all Christians and Catholics, the study found. Researchers found that 18 percent of Catholics consider themselves born-again or evangelical, and nearly 39 percent of mainline Protestants prefer those labels. Many mainline Protestant groups are riven by conflict over how they should interpret what the Bible says about gay relationships, salvation and other issues.

The percentage of Pentecostals remained mostly steady since 1990 at 3.5 percent, a surprising finding considering the dramatic spread of the tradition worldwide. Pentecostals are known for a spirited form of Christianity that includes speaking in tongues and a belief in modern-day miracles.

Mormon numbers also held steady over the period at 1.4 percent of the population, while the number of Jews who described themselves as religiously observant continued to drop, from 1.8 percent in 1990 to 1.2 percent, or 2.7 million people, last year. Researchers plan a broader survey on people who consider themselves culturally Jewish but aren't religious.

The study found that the percentage of Americans who identified themselves as Muslim grew to 0.6 percent of the population, while growth in Eastern religions such as Buddhism slightly slowed.

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- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 297 fans permalink
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Buddhism, by deffinition is not a religion because the Buddha said over and over, "Don't believe a word I say". Check it out. There are wholesome ways to ask the great questions. There are wholesome ways to come together in support of a skillful life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 03/10/2009

I am glad to hear that more and more people are coming to their senses when it comes to religion, I have been an agnostic for a long time already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 03/10/2009

We who are christian have a lot to answer for becuase it is our hypocrisy that drives people away from religion that is so precious and pure in its teaching. Throughout history it has always been the religious fanatics that were the persecuting body.

Religion is such a beutiful thing when it is practiced the way Jesus did. How is it that the most touted Religious body, "The Rligious Right show No Love , No Compassion and seems to hate the world?

What I have learned from the bible teaches me to turn the searchlight on myself and to make sure my life lines up with the word of God. It teaches me to love everyone despite thier hatred for me. It teaches me patients for others and to care for those who can't care for themselves.

The lessons I have learned from religion gives me the peace that passes All understanding and the confidence to live my faith out loud.

I apologize to all those who have been damaged by the incorrect display of religion and ask your forgiveness for those who are blinded by the god complex of religion that sets them up as little gods
deciding the fate of those who do not fall in line with thier beliefs.

Peace and Love Everybody.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 03/10/2009
- Savojah I'm a Fan of Savojah 2 fans permalink

Excellent response. You're exactly right about the hypocrisy of some followers that make it hard for other people to understand. Couldn't have wrote it better myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 03/10/2009
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 03/10/2009

It's called biblejacking and has been the GOP stock in trade the last 30 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 03/10/2009

The BIbIe ain't something to crow about either

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SspboO7yOc8&feature=channel_page

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 03/10/2009

The less influence religion has on politics and society in this country the better off America will be. I don't care if people choose to follow a religion, as long as they stop trying to enforce their archaic social values and cease their rejection and oppression of science and medical advancements.

Personally, I'm an agnostic. Of the world religions, I find Buddhism and Taoism most appealing, but I'm not going to declare myself a member of one of them. I can understand believing that there is more to the universe than what we see, I can even understand believing that some sort of entity or force had a hand in the creation of the universe, and I can understand believing in things like destiny or fate, but what I can't wrap my head around is thinking that one particular man made religion happens to be the correct one. I can't understand how a rational individual can accept that 2000 years ago a man was walking around with supernatural powers who could walk on water and rise from the dead. I can't understand how a rational individual can believe that a God would actually care that humans have "pre-marital sex" or that people are gay or what religion people choose to follow. It's as ridiculous as believing that there is a jolly man in a red suit who lives at the North Pole and has flying reindeer.

Agnosticism is the most honest philosophy I can find.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 03/10/2009

It's called faith and all of us have it. We can use our faith to believe we came from monkies or we can believe that a loving God created the world and gave us freedom of choice and a back up plan to get on the right road.

It all boils down to what we choose to believe. My peace comes from knowing Who I am and Whose I am.

Peace and Love

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 03/10/2009

Yeah, but "faith" in evolution is based on scientific research and decades of study, while "faith" in the specific events and beliefs of Christianity is based on absolutely nothing. Choosing to believe that Jesus was literally the son of a God and had the power to rise from the dead makes about as much sense to me as choosing to believe that Santa Claus really exists.

Furthermore, from the way most evangelicals talk, the Christian God hardly sounds loving. This is an entity who would condemn people to eternal suffering just because they chose a different religion, for instance. The God described in the Bible also once, according to your religion, eradicated all life on Earth except for Noah and his friends. That's called genocide, man. The God described in the bible sounds more like a petty and authoritarian dictator than a loving God. If I thought he was real it'd be quite depressing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 03/10/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 297 fans permalink
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There is faith and then there is faith.

To have faith in some wholesome people you trust, is a good thing. To take the word of anyone about the great spiritual questions is not wholesome. Those things you must either know or not know from your own life's experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 03/10/2009

Thanks, I farted when I read that. Was working that one out for the past 20 minutes. I am definitely more at peace now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 03/10/2009

We didn't come from monkeys, we both came from a common ancestor. There is plenty of documentation regarding evolution. Nothing there to believe in, it happened. You can argue about the mechanics of evolution but not the fact that it did happen. Wishing there is a skygod is not going to change that fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 03/10/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 115 fans permalink
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"It all boils down to what we choose to believe."
Its not quite that simple. Most have their faith chosen for them, they do no really reflect a lot about their own religion..would they do that then its hard to believe why they would still keep their beliefs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 03/12/2009
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I'm with you on this one. I also find Buddhism more appealing and more rational, but am not officially part of any group. I'm a former Mormon, have "tried' a few other Christian churches and not one of them really made much sense to me. After having done more reading and studying what I found is that most organized relgions are shrouded in odd (or even creepy) rituals, the "teachings" have been changed throughout history, facts distorted or just plain made up, and much of the story is just that; story. Fairy tale and myth actually.

If all religion did was teach people how to be better human beings and treat all other beings (not just humans) better then I could support that. Unfortunately what religion teaches mostly is negativity, horrible consequences for "transgressions", bigotry and hate. Buddhism is the exception to this trend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 03/10/2009
- jeliz I'm a Fan of jeliz 16 fans permalink

Try Wicca, nature based; most people like to call it paganism; but it got us to through the 19th Century until man started destroying nature in favor of greed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 03/10/2009

Buddhism is not the exception. So is Hindusim, So is Jainism, so is Sikhism. So is Shintoism.

It is only the Abrahamic faiths that are b!goted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 03/10/2009
- Tulka2 I'm a Fan of Tulka2 297 fans permalink
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We will make a western Buddhism. Buddhism changes to reflect each culture that hears the Dharma. Buddhism is not a religion because Buddha exactly asked people to please not put their faith in anyone elses experience. Life is for knowing.... or not knowing... from inside your own life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 03/11/2009

No god(s), know peace!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 03/10/2009
- antifluff I'm a Fan of antifluff 15 fans permalink

It is easy. Thousands were k1lled because they refused to deny Him, the son of God that was foretold in the Bible. He did not have supernatural powers; he made the physical rules of the universe and could bend them or ignore them at will.
The rules from the Bible are because the Hebrews and later the followers of the Son asked for guidelines and rules. Those are not for God, he will forgive our transgressions if we repent and ask His forgiveness in our heart.
Read Isaiah. The United States is described in Chapter 18. Also there is any interesting reference to desert storm and the fall of Sudam Hussain and his sons. How would Isaiah know that was going to happen thousands of years ago?
Second thought, you should not read it, it will scare you. We should not face anything that scares us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 03/10/2009

Contact your doctor, make sure your dosage is correct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 03/10/2009

Your book of fairytales isn't frightening. The Bible is interesting as a historical document, but nothing of the supernatural it describes is real. It's no more real than Zeus or the Scientology alien god Xenu. It's man made myth.

If you really believe the Bible describes Saddam Hussein, you're too far beyond the realm of rationality to have a serious discussion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 03/10/2009

I have read the bible. It does scare me.

Deuteronomy 22:
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city;

(Revelation 2:22-23)"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death;"

Jesus says kill the rape victim and then kill a few innocent children.

Yes antifluff. I have read the bible and that is why I am one of the Americans who now say they have no religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 PM on 03/11/2009

AMEN ....my feelings exactly

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 03/11/2009
- GodIs I'm a Fan of GodIs 21 fans permalink
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The sinner is not looking for a relationship with God any more than a thief is looking for a policeman. God cannot establish a loving relationship with a sinner because, in the nature of things, love is a choice. God cannot make the wicked love Him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 03/10/2009

There's nothing wicked about not believing in one particular man-made religion.

Besides, according to Christianity, aren't all humans sinners or something? I've never heard of a more self-depreciating and depressing religion, honestly. "Everyone deserves to go to hell because two people ate an apple 6000 years ago, and we're all wicked and terrible, and only escape eternal damnation because 2000 years ago a magical man got nailed to a cross." It's one big inferiority complex.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 03/10/2009

When we break the law, we go to jail. The judge reminds us of our misdeeds and puts us in jail to think long and hard about our consequences.

Those who generally oppose religion see it as an obsticle in the way of a lifestyle that they enjoy that is contrary to the word of God and have no intentions on giving up those things condemned in the bible.

It is amazing how uninformed they really are and the ones that are most vocal are the ones who very well know what is expected of them and turn on the word of God to silence thier consciences.

Honesty is the best policy and many are not because they hide their true motives of casting religion aside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 03/10/2009

Replace "sinner" with "imperfect" and maybe you will see. That is all that sin really is, imperfection. We as humans make mistakes. There is nothing depressing about it. It is just realistic - "Nobody's perfect".

There are two main points to that whole "apple" allegory. One is that humans are imperfect. The second is that somewhere along the line humans gained the knowledge of good and evil such that they could recognize their imperfections.

Here is one of the most quoted verses: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life." Does that sound like an inferiority complex?

By the way, you are right that it is not really wicked to not believe in a particular religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 03/10/2009

Sinners are saved by grace and God seeks to save the lost. God is always knocking on the heart of the sinner and lovingly speaks in a still small voice encouraging the sinner to come to Him.

The Cross is proof that the sinner is Always in God's heart. and on His mind.

I am a sinner saved by grace and over the moon because of my relationship with the Lord

God Loves the Sinner but hates the sin.

Peace and Love

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 03/10/2009

As you folks can see, you've got a tough crowd to try and convince here .. a crowd complete with rebuttals for anything you might possibly throw out there. Good luck though. Expect slings and/or arrows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 03/10/2009
- Hirnlego I'm a Fan of Hirnlego 115 fans permalink
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Create us sick and ask us to heal ourselves. Super!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 03/12/2009

Only true loving G0d is any G0d that is not in the B!ble or the Qur0n

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7GZGgnMxSE&feature=channel_page

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 03/10/2009
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All B.S. Gather a room full of "Catholics" and ask them to fill out your questionnaire and I bet every single
one of them will check the box next to "Catholic" and then check the box next to "devout" or "evangelical" before even thinking of being honest enough to check the one next to "lapsed" or "non-practicing".

What? No box to check labeled non-practicing, lapsed, or former Catholic/Christian/Whatever??

Aaaah the magical world of statistics and surveys! Skewed any which way for the sake of argument...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 03/10/2009

I am aggravated that the did not mention atheists anywhere.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 03/10/2009
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Don't forget it a 'holey' book.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 03/10/2009

That would be under the "no religion" that is mentioned in the title. The study mentions that the number of people who identify as nonreligious is steadily growing, in all parts of the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 03/10/2009

It looks like you missed a noun somewhere.

I am guessing you are aggravated that the article failed to mention atheists. FYI, the study indicates that 0.7% identified as atheists (another 0.9% were agnostic).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 03/10/2009

Thank God!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 03/10/2009
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No No Thank you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 03/10/2009
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I quit believing in God soon after I quit believing in Santa Claus. And for the very same reasons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 03/10/2009
- Scott1560 I'm a Fan of Scott1560 20 fans permalink

A few questions for the posters here:

Why is every president a believer in God, Jesus, etc? Why do you elect them?

Why no backlash over Obama's deep believe in God & Jesus? And please, don't go running to another Bush comparison......He's gone. I ask about the here & now!

Since so many of you are upset with the religious right, why are you not equally upset with the religious left? In the end, both go to dark corners and (believe they) consult with God, with a paranormal power, leaving most of us out of the equation. If Jesus speaks, well.......We are at his mercy.

For those Rsdio Shack employees..........Got some answers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 03/10/2009
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I'm a poster here, and I am PART of the "religious Left."

Do you want me to be upset with myself?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 03/10/2009
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I'm not the least bit upset that the current president associates himself with a particular faith. Even if his religious beliefs are "far left", I don't believe his policies are. He's not coming from a religious place in regards to his policies. He is practicing the "seperation of church and state" method. I honestly wouldn't be bothered by having a president who was an athiest.

What does upset me are people who justify their abominable actions in the name of their faith. Whatever you call your "leader", he doesn't want you to blow up people (any people) or ruin our planet, or shoot drugs or harrass people who have abortions. Your appointed leader would certainly NOT want you to lie to all of your fellow citizens and hand their life savings over to a select few.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 03/10/2009
- Bafun I'm a Fan of Bafun 19 fans permalink

having a president who is a atheist? in America? you are joking!!!
I think he is a social person who cares about people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 03/10/2009

Good question, Scott. The problem is based on American two-party system which discourages other parties from participating in the political process.
In Europe, people like Obama and (Buddy McCue, here) would be in the Christian Democrat Party.

They in no way represent "the left."

In U.S. Democratic and Republican Parties represent a a bewildering range of politics: from neonazis to anarchists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 03/10/2009
- Bafun I'm a Fan of Bafun 19 fans permalink

sorry but in Europe Obama will not be in the CDU, but McCain. This party is like the republican party. In Europe he will never be elected for his religion or no religion. In Europe we don't care about the religion of our polititians. It is very sad that Obama had to justify himself about his religion (or no religion) to be elected here in America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 03/10/2009
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I believe that many politicians fake it for all the rubes in this infantile country. Kind of like televangelists. That doesn't make it any more palatable. Left, right, it's still nonsensical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 03/10/2009
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Prove that all Christians think and believe alike. Prove, for instance, that John F. Haught's theology is just as primitive and inane as James Dobson's. Prove it.

After all, you wouldn't want to continue making broad and bold assertions without substantiating them, would you? That would be dishonest, irrational, and crude.

I can only assume you're being humorous when you toss out labels like "rube," given the comically unnuanced quality of your thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 03/13/2009

It's a simple answer really. The difference is clear and huge. One wants to force their religious beliefs on others, the other wants to merely live their own life by their religious beliefs.

The problem isn't those who believe in God. It's those who believe they can tell everyone else what to do, because with God on their side, their beliefs, preferences, prejudices must be right, and thus should be made law!

Obama acknowledges non-believers, and the diversity of American religious belief in his inaugural speech. Bush goes with the 'Christian nation', crusade, and discontinues scientific research because it conflicts with his religious beliefs. The religious right would have their religion in schools, their religion in law, their religion in science. The religious left would have their religion in their own lives only.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 03/10/2009

glad to see Americans are slowly but surely wising up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 03/10/2009
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Yes we do need to get organized...Think for yourself. Period. So many hateful things have been done to mankind in the name of religion. Mostly it's about hating anyone who is different.
If you don't believe in abortion than don't have one, but don't make that choice for anyone else. You don't want stem cell research than by all means do not avail yourself of any of the benefits of science. You don't believe in global warming than you stick with that, the rest of us are going GREEN. You don't want to take part in getting the economy out of the ditch? Ok than just get out of the way as the rest of us get on with our lives. So SICK of being hijacked by a small percentage of the population. MSM GET WITH IT and tell the truth for a change instead of pandering to the few. Love you Huffington Post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 03/10/2009
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Small percentage? Did you read the article? 85% have some type of religion. How is that a "small percentage"?

Let's take your comment on stem cell research. The main problem I have with Obama's decision is that I don't want to pay for something I consider immoral. Using human beings for research where their life must be ended in order to conduct it, sounds a lot like Nazi Germany. No thanks. Is there something you consider immoral? Would you want the government to use your tax dollars to pay for it?

There was nothing stopping those who wanted to put their own funds toward embryonic stem cell research previously. They simply didn't see enough value, evidently. If you are so on-board with stem cell research, why don't you put up your own private funds to support it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 03/10/2009
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Using stem cells is not Nazi Germany - using live people is Nazi Germany. Much as you want to deny it someone made a CHOICE for those cells to be available - the government did not force them from ANYONE. Also ramming one's religious beliefs and intermingling it with politics is very much that. Fortunately with Bush and Cheney out we can continue to dismantle the Fourth Reich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 03/10/2009

So then when you end up with Parkinson's, Lupus, Alzheimer's, or something equally horrifying, then I am sure you will not take advantage of the science and the cures that would be available with this technology?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 03/10/2009

I believe that bombing the **** out of people is immoral, but I don't get a break from my taxes for that. And I will make the odds 1,000,000,000,000-1 that, offered your life or the non-use of a cure developed through the use of stem cells, you would choose the cure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 03/10/2009

Don't want to pay for something you consider immoral, eh?

How about the thousands of US soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan civilians who died due to the two wars started by the previous administrations? I consider invading countries and occupying them and dropping bombs on people to be a lot more immoral than developing life-saving medical technologies.

Regardless, stem cell research is happening, because the government is no longer controlled by a bunch of uneducated hicks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 03/10/2009

Small percentage indeed - most Americans support stem cell research - religious or not. And - I still don't get how you miss it - these embryonic stem cells are being thrown in the trash, if not used. It's a microscopic cluster of cells, no heart, no brain, no form.

You may religiously consider this a human life - but your lack of knowledge and religious beliefs should not be allowed to ruin the lives of others that could be saved with this research. A little girl can see today, because of stem cell research - but she had to go to China to get it done, because here we suppressed and discouraged our researchers, because we'd rather throw all those stem cells in the garbage than potentially disturb this one religious constituency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 03/10/2009
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I believe we all have something higher & better in us that we have the desire to reach but as far as some talking snakes & a big mean man on a throne doling out punishment, not so much

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 03/10/2009

How many would actually believe if the big mean man with the talking snakes sat right down next to you this very moment and converted your TV into a giant 300 inch solid gold home theater system with surround sound? Nobody? Oh well .. :(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 03/10/2009

If God wanted belief, it'd be easy enough - write out what he expects in letters a mile high in some desert somewhere, accessible to all. And, yeah, I'd believe. That's the thing - faith is irrational - something you believe regardless of proof. But if you don't believe, and are rational, all that's required for belief is simple proof. A simple thing for an all powerful being.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 03/10/2009
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Every group likes to label themselves as Pro and the other side as Anti. It's the same with Atheists and Agnostics. Conventional religious types label Atheists as "non-believers" or Not Religious. That's unfair and untrue. I for one am an Atheist with strong beliefs and strong morals. I resent being labeled as a non-believer as if I don't live to a code larger than my personal wants or take responsibility for my actions.

If you want to be precise, I see myself as a rational believer and traditional religious types as irrational believers - ones who feel the need to make a symbol out of what they don't understand and who would sooner ignore science than allow it to interfere with their dogma.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 03/10/2009
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So as an Athiest, what do you believe IN?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 03/10/2009

Reason and Science!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 03/10/2009
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Love ,good, unity,conviction, diligence.........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 03/10/2009

You don't believe in Bigfoot, right?

So, as an a-bigfoot-ist - what do you believe in?

Lacking a belief in something doesn't indicate any particular other beliefs, doesn't change anything, other than saying you simply don't believe in a god.

Me - I believe the world is an amazing place where people working together have created an incredible civilization. I believe we've got a long ways to go, and each of us can make a difference. Each of us chooses as we live our lives, to contribute, to build more into this world, or to take away. Each of us lives on the back of the choices of all the generations before us, all those who chose to contribute have made this world better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 03/10/2009

As Richard Dawkins so aptly put, you don't believe in Thor, Wotan or the Flying Spaghetti Monster and neither does he. He just takes it one god farther.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 03/10/2009
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I believe in this sense they are using the operationally definded believer as meaning one who believes in a diety. It's being used more as a noun, than as some higher philosophical concept. I would rather think of atheists as rational thinkers rather than believers myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 03/10/2009

I like the way you think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 03/10/2009
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Yes I agree with your comment 100%, and am like you strong in beliefs and morals. Silence, is no longer an option for us either, as we are seen as passive and without moral fiber. Gone are the days of the inquisitions, and politics of fear, replaced by reason and logic. Etermal "hellfire' , is nothing more than mind control, for those who will question thier dogma. There is much to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 03/10/2009
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Where do you get your morals? Where did you get the ability to be rational?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 03/10/2009
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From knowing right from wrong. It's quite simple really. Places in the world where people were not exposed to our main stream theologies are in most cases more gentile than we are eg. the bushmen of Africa. The fact is, all religions have parts that are useful and helpful, in our everyday existence and coexistence. and are rational. However, on the most part are full of Bunk, are vague and open to misinterpretation.They fuel hatred and biases watsoever unintentional they may be, are in fact unfit to liberate us in order that we may achieve higher potentials.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 AM on 03/11/2009
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Good. Now, perhaps Americans can get past the notion that "fear of the Lord" is the only thing that prevents our descent into murder and mayhem. It's cynical and childish. People of religion do not have an exclusive claim to the moral high-ground; as faith-inspired violence ably demonstrates. Tolerance, generosity and open-mindedness are more often the virtues of the un-subscribed, than they are of the subscribed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 03/10/2009
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worth repeating ...

"People of religion do not have an exclusive claim to the moral high-ground"

again

"People of religion do not have an exclusive claim to the moral high-ground"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 03/10/2009
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