SEIU, Chamber Of Commerce Dust Up Started With A Tweet

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March 9, 2009 06:30 PM

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It started with a tweet.

Though the SEIU and the Chamber of Commerce are the thorniest of political foes -- and their heated opposition on the Employee Free Choice Act goes back many months if not years -- the most recent flare-up, which led to a public protest outside the business group's headquarters on Monday, can be traced to a Twitter account.

On February 8, 2009, SEIU President Andy Stern posted his frustration with Chamber chief Tom Donohue's unwillingness to debate him on EFCA, following a private encounter between the two.

Why won't Tom Donahe [sic] debate me on employee free choice #EFCAfail


4:10 PM Feb 8th from mobile web

It was a small and rather innocuous volley, but an interesting footnote in one of the year's most fiercely pitched legislative debates. It culminated with Stern comparing the Chamber to a "pit bull" in a "pack of attack dogs against workers" during Monday's protest.

Surprisingly, it was Stern who ratcheted up the pressure after his tweet. During the subsequent week, the SEIU sent letters to seven industry groups opposed to EFCA asking them to engage workers in a conversation on the bill. The Chamber received one of the letters. On February 20, Stern went public, challenging Donohue to debate the legislation during an interview with the Plum Line's Greg Sargent:

"He's never said Yes, never said No," Stern said, adding that the anti-Employee Free Choice forces were hiding behind "front groups" and should "come out of the shadows."

The Chamber responded, posting a reply that welcomed the discussion and arguing that it had "been debating the merits of this issue for months, years even."

"We are quite clear on our position -- this is a bad idea for workers, for business, and for the economy," read the post.

Around that time, a bit of kindling was added to the fire. The Center for Responsive Politics put out a report showing that the Chamber of Commerce had spent more on lobbying in 2008 than all labor unions combined and that business PACs had spent five times as much as labor unions on the election. On March 5, the SEIU released its in-house analysis of these lobbying efforts, accusing the Chamber and others for carrying water for a select few companies opposed to the Employee Free Choice Act.

The union also announced its designs for Monday's action outside the Chamber headquarters. The gathering of labor leaders and progressive religious and community officials, protesting the business group's lobbying efforts against labor priorities, marked a crest in an exchange that has been simmering for weeks. Certainly it is one of the more overt moves in a political chess match that has been waged largely behind the scenes. And where did Stern bring the focus of the event: back to his tweet.

"They might be a big and mighty lobbying machine but guess what, when I asked their top officer Tom Donohue to debate me on Employee Free Choice, he declined," said the SEIU leader. "It's not surprising they don't want to face us in public... how could they defend what they're doing?"

It started with a tweet. Though the SEIU and the Chamber of Commerce are the thorniest of political foes -- and their heated opposition on the Employee Free Choice Act goes back many months if not y...
It started with a tweet. Though the SEIU and the Chamber of Commerce are the thorniest of political foes -- and their heated opposition on the Employee Free Choice Act goes back many months if not y...
 
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- mom2sons I'm a Fan of mom2sons 5 fans permalink

I'm a SEIU member, the rethugs are telling lies about EFCA. This country was built on the backs of slaves and then the working man and woman. It's shameful what this country has done to the labor unions and workers in this country. They want us to be productive, but without any rights. It's disgusting. Hyprocrites when they say this is about class warfare; yeah it is. They don't want anyone else to get ahead. They want to keep the boots on the necks of the working people of this country. We won't take it anymore! We're tired and fed up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 03/10/2009
- gcallaghan I'm a Fan of gcallaghan 52 fans permalink
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Big business outspent unions 5 to 1 on ads this election cycle and got what?

The CEOs loaded up their trunks with piles of cash and shareholders got what?

The masquerade is over.

It was never about the shareholders; it was always about oppressing organized labor and lining their own pockets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 03/10/2009

MN-Sen: Coleman's hopes take another hit as registration search only yields 88 or 89 additional ballots:

http://voteforamerica.net/editorials/Comments.aspx?ArticleId=249&ArticleName=Secrecy+Envelope+Search+Complete

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 AM on 03/10/2009
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The Janitors Strike Back. Joe the Plumber meet Sam the Sanitation Engineer. It's blue collar versus blue blood. Should be worth at least a few segments on Countdown.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 03/10/2009

We must be aware of whose lobbying our politicians because there are big fights coming on Capital Hill. Especially in the areas of heathcare, labor, education, 2010 Budget, etc. Below is what I'm referring to. These politicians are basically being led by lobbyists and their interest, not ours. We must weed them out, be it a republican or democrat. It does us no good to vote for these politicians only to have lobbyists buy them. The new sheriff in town is us, the American people and we must get busy. Let's stop complaining and do something. Write these politicians to let them know their relationships with lobbyists working against the American people's interest will no longer be tolerated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/us/politics/10chairmen.html?_r=1&hp

https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 03/10/2009
- spinns17 I'm a Fan of spinns17 35 fans permalink

not we got dem senators not going to back us.there going to pay for this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 03/09/2009
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 316 fans permalink
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Thank you Labor for caring enough about our country to take on the t oo l for big business, the wealthy and the well connected. Unions, we got your back!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 03/09/2009
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Hear, hear!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 03/09/2009

Notice the focus on SEIU's focus on "lobbying" expenditures, not political expenditures. From the Center for Responsive Politics:

"After their bruising legislative loss in 2007, it appears unions decided their money was best spent on getting pro-labor candidates elected to the 111th Congress and defeating pro-business candidates­...The Service Employees International Union (SEIU) spent the most in independent expenditures and communications costs in the last election cycle, at nearly $42.4 million"

More here: http://www.chamberpost.com/2009/03/the-seiu-learns-something-today.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 03/09/2009
- rosal I'm a Fan of rosal 316 fans permalink
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Gee, at least change your moniker to disguise the fact you are a t oo l of the Chamber!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 03/09/2009
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Notice the Chamber's multi-million dollar PR campaign to spread the LIE that the EFCA "hurts American workers"??

How does giving workers choices in their unionization process "hurt American workers"?? They are claiming that the secret ballot will be taken away - an absolute L!E.

How much are the CEOs paying to destr0y unions?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 03/09/2009
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Hey, ChamberPot, here's a L!E I found on your website:

Unions... "trying to push through Congress the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) - which, in a bit of Newspeak, effectively removes free and private choice from workers. As part of their efforts on Card Check next Monday the Service Employees International Union (SEIU)....­"

The secret ballot WILL NOT BE TAKEN AWAY. Card Check is just ANOTHER CHOICE. Besides, why should CEO's and the Chamber care if workers have have a "free and private choice" to UNIONIZE?? Isn't their stance that workers should NOT unionize? Isn't that why they pay you?

Prove me wrong????

Pretending that you care about the workers is a joke!!! We know your game and we know about your multi-million dollar PR campaign to crush EFCA. We're not going down, DUDE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 03/09/2009
- petphotos I'm a Fan of petphotos 4 fans permalink
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Looks like time to start taking action against the Chamber.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 03/09/2009
- dnegri I'm a Fan of dnegri 129 fans permalink

With one apparent exception (health care reform) my personal voting guide for years has included the following: if the chamber of commerce opposes is, support it (and vice-versa). Haven't regretted it yet....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 03/09/2009
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Twitter is for suckers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 03/09/2009
- sueinmn I'm a Fan of sueinmn 101 fans permalink
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"We are quite clear on our position -- this is a bad idea for workers,

Who the hell are the Chamber to speak for workers and whats good or bad for them. They do not represent workers what so ever, only management and how best to screw the workers!

I am offended the chamber even speaks as they know whats best for the workers.

Count me in on being a soldier for labor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 03/09/2009
- dnegri I'm a Fan of dnegri 129 fans permalink

Even worse: when Republican congessmen/pundits claim to be speaking for "workers".­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 03/09/2009
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The real fun begins tomorrow!!!!

Repubes will try to claim that the EFCA is "bad for workers" because it gives them a choice in their unionization process! Apparently billions have been spent in a PR campaign that is based on the lie that "it takes away the secret ballot". This is the gist of their attack, and it's already been debunked.

Workers will NOT lose the secret ballot, but now they have a choice and protections when trying to unionize.

Repubes think they can gain votes by working AGAINST the working man.

Please hold my calls. I'll be watching CSPAN all day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 03/09/2009
- trunk65 I'm a Fan of trunk65 32 fans permalink
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And why are you, Mr. Stern, afraid to debate publicly your rape of your largest local, and the subsequent firing of all its leadership? You are a hypocrite and a coward who has ruined the lives of hundreds of good union people. Shame on you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 03/09/2009
- trunk65 I'm a Fan of trunk65 32 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 03/09/2009

your link is not available Please explain yourself

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 03/10/2009
- spinns17 I'm a Fan of spinns17 35 fans permalink

this is labors last stand ,and were not going down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 03/09/2009
- DaCoach I'm a Fan of DaCoach 6 fans permalink

The Chamber has evolved into a mouthpiece of big business. They no longer have the best interests of the small businessman in their agenda despite their claims. For years, when the interests of big and small have been at odds, they've chosen big. Certainly small businesses need their voice heard since they account for over 70% of new hires. But the Chamber's motto is that bigger is better. To date, Wall Street proves that philosophy is beset with doom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 03/09/2009
- trunk65 I'm a Fan of trunk65 32 fans permalink
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Stern's motto is also bigger and better. See what he has done to his locals, and their lawsuits against him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 03/09/2009
- pfrogger I'm a Fan of pfrogger 61 fans permalink

please please a reference, a link to a web article or even a mention of your source.
is it really so hard?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 03/09/2009
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