HBO Vs. The Mormons In Battle Over Temple Ceremony

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JENNIFER DOBNER | March 11, 2009 06:42 AM EST | AP

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In this Jan. 14, 2009 file photo, Jeanne Tripplehorn, a cast member in the HBO series "Big Love," arrives at the show's third season premiere in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Chris Pizzello)

SALT LAKE CITY — HBO on Tuesday defended its plans to depict a sacred Mormon temple ceremony in an upcoming episode of "Big Love."

The drama about a Utah polygamous family will show an endowment ceremony Sunday.

HBO said it did not intend to be disrespectful of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and apologized.

"Obviously, it was not our intention to do anything disrespectful to the church, but to those who may be offended, we offer our sincere apology," the premium cable channel said in a statement issued Tuesday.

But the ceremony is an important part of the "Big Love" story line, HBO said.

In the scene, actress Jeanne Tripplehorn's character, Barb, goes through the endowment ceremony as she faces losing her membership in the Mormon church.

On Monday, Mormon church leaders criticized HBO for its decision to include the ceremony and said airing the material shows the insensitivity of the network's writers, producers and executives.

"Certainly church members are offended when their most sacred practices are misrepresented or presented without context or understanding," the church statement said.

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Only church members in good standing can enter temples to perform or witness sacred ceremonies. The ceremonies are centered on religious teachings and re-enactments of Bible stories to help Mormons prepare an eternal place for themselves _ and others by proxy _ in heaven.

Members take a vow not to discuss the rituals outside temple walls, although details of the ceremonies are widely available on the Internet.

The dramatization of the ceremony was vetted for accuracy by an adviser familiar with temple ceremonies who was on set during filming, said series creators and executives producers Mark V. Olsen and Will Scheffer.

"In approaching the dramatization of the endowment ceremony, we knew we had a responsibility to be completely accurate and to show the ceremony in the proper context and with respect," Olsen and Scheffer said in a separate statement issued through HBO. "We therefore took great pains to depict the ceremony with the dignity and reverence it is due."

The church declined an interview request by The Associated Press on Tuesday.

News of the episode has sparked an online campaign by individual Latter-day Saints, who are calling for a boycott of "Big Love" and cancellation of subscriptions to HBO, AOL and other Time Warner Inc.-owned entities.

The church itself has not called for a boycott and said in its statement that doing so would just fuel controversy and interest in the program.

Church leaders also said members of the rapidly growing faith should not feel defensive about HBO's characterization of Mormons.

"There is no evidence that extreme misrepresentations in the media that appeal only to a narrow audience have any long term negative effect on the church," they said in the statement.

"Big Love" is in its third season on HBO and a fourth is in the works. The program tells the story of Bill Hendrickson, a fundamentalist (played by Bill Paxton) who runs a chain of hardware stores and lives with three wives (Tripplehorn, Chloe Sevigny and Ginnifer Goodwin) in a Salt Lake City suburb.

Like Utah's real-life fundamentalists, the Hendricksons' beliefs are tied to the early teachings of Mormon church founder Joseph Smith, who said polygamy was an essential doctrine for exaltation in the afterlife. The church ultimately abandoned the practice in 1890 as a condition of Utah's statehood.

When "Big Love" first aired, negotiations between the church and HBO resulted in a one-time disclaimer included in the show's credits that distinguished the modern church's position on polygamy from the beliefs of the fictional characters in the series.

This season, however, the show's polygamy-focused stories have included more mainstream Mormon references. The program references events from Mormon history and the Hendricksons take a family vacation to upstate New York for the Hill Cumorah Pageant, a reenactment of stories from the Book of Mormon.

"Despite earlier assurances from HBO, it once again blurs the distinction between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the show's fictional non-Mormon characters and their practices," the church statement said.

HBO contends that throughout its three-year run writers and producers of "Big Love" have continued to make a clear "distinction between the LDS church and those extreme fringe groups who practice polygamy."

Being featured in a popular HBO series is in many ways a plus for the 178-year-old church, said Daniel Stout, a professor of journalism and media studies at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas.

"It says the Mormon church has come of age, it's a major American religion," said Stout, who studies and writes about the intersection of religion and popular culture.

But the attention may also raise fears among church leaders that Mormons will become a target for ridicule or persecution because the details of the sacred temple ceremony will seem strange to non-Mormons. However, studies have shown that predictions about the effects of media depictions aren't always accurate, Stout said.

"There are many themes and issues dealt with by `Big Love,'" he said. "It's a story of family, of relationships and the dynamics of polygamy. It's entertainment. I'm not sure people will be watching it like a documentary."

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SALT LAKE CITY — HBO on Tuesday defended its plans to depict a sacred Mormon temple ceremony in an upcoming episode of "Big Love." The drama about a Utah polygamous family will show an endowmen...
SALT LAKE CITY — HBO on Tuesday defended its plans to depict a sacred Mormon temple ceremony in an upcoming episode of "Big Love." The drama about a Utah polygamous family will show an endowmen...
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were it up to the faithful, the virgin would still be being thrown down the sacred well, the recent changes in the church practices did not come from frightened minds inclined to agree, but from spirited challenges
from minds like me....

be a little more grateful, for the process. Son

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 03/17/2009

I just saw this episode. I thought the temple ceremony was beautiful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 03/17/2009

I do not understand why the LDS church gets so much crap. We get made fun of and told we are a cult and the list just goes on and on. All the other religions out there always have something bad to say. That to me is really God like, bashing others and making judgments. And, it is a still a little weird for me to understand to whole polygamy thing (being a Mormon myself), but other religions have dirty laundry as well. And as for the post about Gay Marriage, go ask the Catholics, Baptists, Jahova Whitnesses, ect, and see if they believe in same sex marriages ( I personally do not care, love is love) but they will tell you no. I'm sure somebody out there will have something negative to say about this post but I do not care, believe what others say. But until you have the actual truth, dont judge. Its no different that calling somebody a racial slur. Please just look at it from a different point of view.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 03/16/2009

The point I make with the pork and rosary beads is: I respect their freedom to believe how they will. That is what I ask. I don't believe it a sin to eat pork, I don't pray with rosary beads... but, I don't disrespect them for following the mandates of their relegion and beliefs. Just look how the muslim community reacted to a cartoon a while back. They felt they were being disrespected. And I can certainly feel for them.

Mormons have long been persecuted. Mitt Romney is probably not our president just for this reason. You won't find Mormons taking to the streets and calling for a holy war. But, we are sensitive to it.
We talk of the indians being driven off their lands. Even some think we should give African Americans cash to pay back what they lost by being dragged to the Americas. The reason I am in Utah is because my great - great grandfather was driven out of Missouri to avoid certain persecution and probable death.

So yes, maybe we are a little too sensitive to what you believe is just a little show to you. But for most of us, it is a matter of respecting a group of people's belief.

The bottom line is: The temple is a sacred place to me. To make it entertainment (and I am certain it is not accurately portrayed) does indeed show a great disrespect to me.

And HBO should respect our feelings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 03/16/2009
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There's only so far "feelings" can go, though.

The comparison to the Mohammed cartoons is probably the best parallel, but even there I'm of the mind that in a society that does not allow religion to dictate government (ideally), those cartoons should be published. The cartoons and the broadcast of the endowment are both things that a certain faith wishes to keep forbidden in some way, but I don't quite think that's reason enough for the rest of the population to obey. No one is being forced to watch or participate or violate their faith; it's not actively hurting anyone, other than a sort of intellectual outrage. What you're asking for here is that non-believers obey the boundaries drawn by your religion, and I'm generally of the opinion that nothing worthy can be hurt by shedding a little more light on it.

Mormons and persecution... Well, there's a history there that's got a lot in common with other recent cults and avowed prophets. It's a difficult thing to discuss (and I have, with missionaries), but I find that the history presented by a lot of born-and-raised Mormons is quite different to what I've researched. The Abraham Scrolls, the Meadow Massacre, a whole bunch of other contradictions. That's not saying that LDS is different from other religions in these contradictions, by the way -- just that LDS is more recent and arose in a more scientifically advanced age, so the evidence (or lack) is more obvious and more vulnerable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 AM on 03/16/2009
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I should probably also mention something a little less intellectual:

Many of the former Mormons I've spoken to have described their first Temple experience as a negative one. The older ones describe rituals that apparently got excised in the 90s, but the younger ex-Mormons also found it unnerving.

I'm not part of the church so I can only refer to what I've been told, but quite a few of these people were looking forward to the Temple endowment (or wedding, apparently they're combined sometimes?) as a culmination of all the hard work they'd done as children. When they got into the Temple and got the clothing and went through the ceremony, some of them described it as almost an out-of-body experience. Educated women had particular qualms about it. They couldn't quite believe this is what had been secret so long, and many found it inexplicably Masonic in theme.

When I heard stuff like this, it did make me wonder about the mystery surrounding these rituals. Some of the ex-Mormons bluntly said that if they'd known what the Temple ceremony was, they'd never have stayed in the church that long. So maybe I'm a cynic, but part of me thinks that this objection to "Big Love" is less about heathens viewing the sacred ritual, and more about a problem LDS leadership must know about in LDS ranks, where the rituals are seriously wigging members out and ignorance of them is providing a certain rate of retention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 AM on 03/16/2009

And that mob that comes on us to disturb us; it shall be between us and them a war of extermination, for we will follow them, till the last drop of their blood is spilled, or else they will have to exterminate us: for we will carry the seal of war to their own houses, and their own families, and one party or the other shall be utterly destroyed.

Sidney Rigdon, counselor to Joseph Smith, speaking in Missouri.

The Mormon heirarchy is very skilled in revisionist history. Haven't you ever wondered why exactly the mormons were so 'persecuted'?

source: http://www.mrm.org/topics/documents-speeches/sidney-rigdons-4th-july-oration

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 AM on 03/17/2009
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Wow. I've watched this show before, but basically just classed it as "splinter Mormon" religiously and enjoyed the drama. The endowment ceremony's going to bring it to a new level, though.

I had LDS friends who left the church at 18, after some ceremony that they didn't really talk about other than saying it was Masonic. It's taken this article for me to actually start looking into the practices of the church itself, and whoo, that's a doozy.

I wouldn't be surprised if part of the outrage from Mormons about this scene is rooted in the possibility that the audience will actually go looking for more info on the Mormon sect in general. It was one thing to think they're Christians who believe weird things about Jesus, another to watch the South Park "runes in a hat" episode. But when you start getting into the clothing and the secret rituals, then a simple search brings you to stuff like this: http://www.exmormon.org/boards/w-agora/index.php?bn=exmobb_biography

Ex-Mormons turn out to be pretty good at explaining the psychology behind the faith.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 03/15/2009

There was a christian station I frequently listened to in Houston until they had an author on to talk about his anti-mormon book. I thought, "Is this Christianity?" It was the last time I listened to that station.
The meanness and nastiness I have read hear is anything but Christianity. If a relegion feels something is sacred, can we not respect their rights to hold it as sacred? I would not secretly feed pork to my muslim friends, nor would I stomp on my Catholic friend's rosary beads. Whatever you hold dear (and it doesn't sound like you can relate to this), I give you permission to continue to do so. Too bad HBO has no conscience or respect for others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 AM on 03/15/2009
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I'm no Christian, but I don't think your pork and rosary comparisons hold up. Surely it's closer to say that TV shouldn't air a bris, or a marriage ceremony, or a christening?

Where should we draw the line on sacred ritual? Clearly there are some groups that remain very tightly knit, and we don't have representations of their rituals because no one's brought that knowledge to the outside world. But here we have a recruiting faith, a religion that sends people door-to-door, and an entire sacred building and ceremonies that have been placed off-limits... Despite there being plenty of ex-Mormons who are happy to detail what those events are.

To hide pork in a sandwich or crush a rosary... both of those are personal violations, either forcing someone to ingest a forbidden item or destroying their personal property. But how are Mormons damaged by the airing of this certain ritual?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 03/15/2009
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Great websites about Mormon Endowment Ceremonies

This link features many links to sites about the ceremonies, the secret handshakes, the death oaths and more....

http://www.buzzfeed.com/akdobbins/big-loves-endowment-scene

Check out this website to see videos about the temple rituals:

http://how2becomeachristianinfoblog.com/2008/11/22/the-secret-mormon-temple-ritual-secret-or-sacred/

I went through the temple in 1975. Even if some of the rituals have been removed - they happened - and they were supposedly from the True Church at the time. How come they had to be removed it they were so sacred?

Check out my blog to see the Mormon cartoon that depicts the afterlife where Mormon men will have multiple wives with whom they have eternal sex so as to populate their own planets:

http://glasschimes.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/mitt-romney-just-keep-this-in-mind-for-the-future/

Check them out and tell us what you think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 AM on 03/15/2009

in their jealousy to protect themselves
so many people injured

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 03/14/2009

I am sure that in 901 comments someone has mentioned this - but it seems like such delicious just-desserts that the Mormons should interject themselves into the personal matter of gay marriage in California and then have to deal with this type of exposure.

This ain't tit for tat - their practices shouldn't be secret anyway - but this is just-desserts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 03/13/2009
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Tom Hanks waxes prophetic at the 3rd season premiere of Big Love:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7JgK_mmEBk

"There's gonna be lies, and secrets, and discoveries, and problems. Television!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 03/13/2009

This is a very disheartening discussion. If I want to read a bunch of radicals bashing a minority group I go read Drudge or Anne Coulter. You’re supposed to be liberals! …Caring, educated, thoughtful people. This is just retaliation against a specific group of people….nothing more. We are no better than the radical right with our spewing hate mongering. Get over it people or go join the radical right were you belong. I will embrace all people …the weirder the better. Because I am truly Liberal. If they don’t approve of me…who the crap cares.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 03/12/2009

Poor helpless minority group... I was mormon for 25 years but had a moral quandary against censoring myself. Most mormons are well educated in a false history of the church and mentally programmed to ignore discrepancies. People like me are suffering because we brought shame to our families by leaving the church. We shouldn’t have to live as outcasts. Abandon tolerance of the mormon church! Ask the tough questions! Get mormons thinking! Exposing the temple ceremony to all the "gentiles" is a great start! Mormons don’t even talk about it with themselves. When everyone but mormons are talking about it openly maybe mormons will have the courage to discuss it themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 03/13/2009

Poor helpless minority group... I was mormon for 25 years but had a moral quandary against censoring myself. Most mormons are well educated in a false history of the church and mentally programmed to ignore discrepancies. People like me are suffering because we brought shame to our families by leaving the church. We shouldn’t have to live as outcasts. Abandon tolerance of the mormon church! Ask the tough questions! Get mormons thinking! Exposing the temple ceremony to all the "gentiles" is a great start! Mormons don’t even talk about it with themselves. When everyone but mormons are talking about it openly maybe mormons will have the courage to discuss it themselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 03/13/2009

Has your life been personally devastated by the Mormon church? No? Bully for you.

For millions of us, liberal, conservative, anarchist, or otherwise, the church has done evil and we want the world to know.

And here's a news update, the Mormon heriarchy ARE the radical right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 03/13/2009

Uh... "Not approving" of something is very different from fighting tooth and nail and spending a whole heckuva lot of money to keep a whole group of U.S. citizens from getting the same rights they have, which is exactly what the Mormons have been doing.

Mormons are free to believe whatever they want to about gays, and I'll gladly stop speaking out against them, and any other gay-bashing religious groups, when they stop trying to legislate their hate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 03/13/2009
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We may have to pass a law defining marriage as only between non-Mormons, if they're going to behave like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 03/12/2009
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When the Mormon Church stops the practice of converting dead Jews to their religions to "save their souls", then they may have a leg to stand on to argue about respect of spiritual/religious customs and beliefs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 03/12/2009
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I live in SE Idaho, we are overran by Mormons, they rule here , there are some nice and sane Mormons, however, a good many of them are nuts. They have kid after kid, whether they can afford it or not. We have a guy right now who was pretty high up in the church, donated a whole lot of money, and guess what, he is the current target of the F.B.I. because he was running a forty million dollar ponzi scheme, and many of his victims were all those good little Mormon friends of his, including his in laws! They are hypocrits, they molest kids, then hide behind the church, beat kids, hide behind the church, beat their wives, ripe off their friends, hide behind the church.
The first question they ask someone who's moved here from out of State is "Are you L.D.S." of course if your not, they don't give you the time of day.
Llike I said, there are many of them that are good people, and I was babtized into the church when I was eleven, it was forced on me, I left ASAP, I think when people study their beliefs, they will find out what a crackpot religion it is. But a wealthy one, you give ten percent of your income, you have to bring your tax records to the Bishop to verify your giving enough, even if you can't feed your kids, you better give that ten percent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 03/12/2009
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It's the magic underwear and secret squirrel choreography that cracks me up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 03/12/2009
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Haha...you do NOT have to bring your tax records in for tithing...are you kidding me? Rather, the church produces a record and gives it to you so that you have it to write of the charitable contribution on your taxes. That is one of the funniest things I have read about mormons in a while. Thanks for the chuckle!!

Secondly, sure, mormons commit adultry, they murder, they steel, they cheat, they molest kids, they beat their wives/mistreat their husbands JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. Mormons are people. The gospel of the mormon church is that all members need to strive to live better. it is NOT that members of the church ARE better.

If everyone around you is a lying, cheating, hypocritic jerk...well, that likely says more about you than it does about them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 03/12/2009

Ah, just like Jesus said,

And I saith to you, if someone disagrees with you, call that person a lying cheating, hypocritical jerk. And uh, forget what I said about that whole love one another nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 03/13/2009
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My ex husband became a mormon after our divorce. He was so sanctimonious and pious. However, paying child support was not his strong suit. He married again, had 2 more children. Paid no support for years! I finally went to court to get $ and found out that he had been tithing 10K a year to the church! I know this goes on over and over. Please spare me religion of any ilk!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 03/12/2009
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He lied to the church about it then. One has to be current on spousal and child support payments to be a member in "good standing" with the church. Sounds like your ex husband is a dead beat who just happens to be a mormon. The mormon church didn't make him a dead beat anymore than marrying you made him a deadbeat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 03/12/2009

Confirming that a man is paying spousal and child support during a tithing settlement is not required and you know it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 03/13/2009
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