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Romer Seems To Break With Geithner On Cause Of Crisis

First Posted: 04/10/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:05 PM ET

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Christina Romer, at a speech at the Brookings Institution Monday afternoon, appeared to give support to critics of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner who say that he is wrongly treating the economic collapse as a "liquidity crisis" when it is instead a crisis of solvency in the banking system brought on by a collapse in asset prices.

"Most obviously, like the Great Depression, today's downturn had its fundamental cause in the decline in asset prices and the failure or near-failure of financial institutions," she said in prepared remarks, where she compared and contrasted the current crisis with the Great Depression. The assets in question are, by and large, houses and other real estate.

Asked by the Huffington Post if she specifically disagrees with Geithner as to whether the nation faces a liquidity crisis, however, she said that she does not.

"Let me be very clear. No, I absolutely don't disagree with him," said Romer, head of the president's Council of Economic Advisers. Treasury spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter also said that there was "no contradiction" between the two economic officials' views.

It's more than just an academic question. The administration can't fix the economy if it can't accurately diagnose the problem. But if Romer did say publicly, in an explicit way, that the banking system faced a solvency crisis, that statement in itself could cause chaos in the markets as was seen on a smaller level when Sens. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) and Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said they were open to nationalizing insolvent banks, causing CitiGroup and other bank stocks to dive.

Critics of Geithner, including Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman, insist that the real problem is an asset collapse that led to a crisis of solvency in the banking system. In other words, Krugman argues that home values have come back to Earth, while Geithner hopes to solve the problem by pushing home values back to where they were. The conflict is a serious one because it dictates what response is appropriate.

Geithner's understanding of the crisis as one of liquidity -- which Fed chief Ben Bernanke agrees with -- leads to some bizarre conclusions, Krugman has written:

Thus, in a recent interview Tim Geithner, the Treasury secretary, tried to make a distinction between the "basic inherent economic value" of troubled assets and the "artificially depressed value" that those assets command right now. In recent transactions, even AAA-rated mortgage-backed securities have sold for less than 40 cents on the dollar, but Mr. Geithner seems to think they're worth much, much more.


And the government's job, he declared, is to "provide the financing to help get those markets working," pushing the price of toxic waste up to where it ought to be.


What's more, officials seem to believe that getting toxic waste properly priced would cure the ills of all our major financial institutions. Earlier this week, Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, was asked about the problem of "zombies" -- financial institutions that are effectively bankrupt but are being kept alive by government aid. "I don't know of any large zombie institutions in the U.S. financial system," he declared, and went on to specifically deny that A.I.G. -- A.I.G.! -- is a zombie.

Romer, however, did indicate that the administration recognized that the banking system was in serious trouble.

"Fundamentally, this is just a whole 'nother animal," said Romer, again citing the collapse in asset prices. She said that getting a handle on the banking system had gotten more difficult since the 1930s. "He was dealing with Bailey's Building and Loan," she said of FDR, "and we're dealing with CitiGroup."

Economist James Galbraith, who has been critical of the administration's rescue effort as insufficient, said in an e-mail that "the recognition that the fundamental decline (collapse) in asset prices is the problem firmly contradicts the administration's line that credit is 'blocked' and can be made to 'flow.' The asset price (read: housing price) problem undercuts that completely, not so much by establishing insolvency of the banks, but by establishing the lack of credit-worthiness of the borrowers. Whether Christina Romer recognizes this is an interesting question."

Galbraith also said that he thinks "there is a contradiction [between the Romer and Geithner analyses] but I'm not sure you can clearly pin it on the solvency/liquidity dichotomy, unless Geithner has said in plain English that he still thinks it's a liquidity crisis, which I doubt he has done lately though I don't follow every speech. Geithner's position so far as I understand it is that the banks are solvent, though in trouble, and can be rescued by capital infusions and guarantees of their asset prices. Guaranteeing their assets will, in fact, solve a solvency problem -- at gigantesque expense. The fallacy in Geithner's position is that solvency has nothing to do with lending."

At a closed-door meeting with House Democrats on Monday night, according two members of Congress who were in the meeting, Geithner repeated that he believed the problem with the financial system was a lack of liquidity and that if he could get credit flowing again, the problem would right itself. Key to this analysis is the question of whether one thinks the rise of housing prices was an artificial bubble or if the collapse is reversible and we can return to those highs. Policymakers have resisted labeling it as a bubble. Romer, on Monday, came close, referring to a "run-up in housing prices that sure looks like a bubble."

Romer emphasized that she didn't disagree with Geithner's analysis and highlighted the links between asset prices, solvency, consumer spending and bank lending.

"The decline in asset prices, right, that's done two things that have been important and I tried to make that clear," Romer said in response to the question about a liquidity crisis. "As consumers see their housing wealth go down or their stock market wealth go down, naturally they try to save more. We've absolutely seen that happen in the numbers. And then in terms of the financial markets, we certainly know that what happened to asset prices put a strain on our financial institutions and is part of why they were uneasy about lending and things like that. So it's nothing on any kind of a disagreement. It's basically a sense of linkages between these movements and asset prices and the kinds of declines in spending and lending that we've seen."

If the crisis is understood as one of liquidity, then the appropriate response is to continue injecting capital into the banking system and fiscal stimulus into the general economy until asset prices return toward previous highs. Japanese policymakers initially understood their crisis to be one of liquidity and injected hundreds of billions during the 1990s, to little effect. But if the problem is something different -- a solvency crisis brought on by essentially permanent asset-price declines -- then the policy response needed is different.

Japan didn't begin to recover until it determined the problem was one of asset collapse and insolvency. The Japanese government then took over the country's failing banks, wiped out shareholders, fired management, recapitalized banks and returned them to the private market. The takeovers turned the economy around.

The Huffington Post asked Romer to clarify if she thought the United States faced a liquidity crisis or, like Japan, an asset and solvency crisis.

"I think also you very much want to be separating between what declines in assets do to consumers and firms and what effect they have on banks," she said. "I will certainly take the secretary's idea that it's affecting primarily liquidity. We know that that's been a huge problem. And we also know that banks have certainly seen their balance sheets deteriorate. That certainly can't be good for lending and the functioning of the financial system."

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Jezreel
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10:07 PM on 03/20/2009
PART 2

Now, it's impossible to know which banks are genuinely healthy and which aren't. Consequently, banks don't trust each other because they don't know which banks are Zombies who's capital reserves are artificial) and which banks are healthy.

To resolve the issue, Dr. Geitner has ordered diagnostic tests for the banks to determine which banks are Zombies and which are healthy. Once they determine which banks are healthy they will separate them and insist that they begin lending money. They will also infuse new money into Zombie banks (perhaps by taking them over), revitalize them and equip them to lend money again.

At the same time, The Fed Chair annouced a new $1.5 trillion dollar fund to purchase bad mortgage and credit card debt. Also, Pres. Obama announced a new government funding structure for student and auto loans. (That's the liquidity side of the crisis).

Jason Linkins wrote an excellent article about this today. Read it here: http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/730545.html
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10:03 PM on 03/20/2009
Last night, President Obama explained to Jay Leno that his economic team, as led by Dr. Geitner, believes that Banking Crisis is a matter of insolvency as well as liquidity.

When Leno asked why the banks aren't lending money yet after receiving TARP funds months ago, President Obama responded

"Well, what's happening is a lot of these banks are keeping it in the bank because their balance sheets had gotten so bad that they decided, you know what, for us to stay SOLVENT we need to maintain certain capital ratios; WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CAPITAL IN THE BANK-- and they haven't started lending it yet.

President Obama acknowleged that some banks were already insolvent when they received TARP monies. Instead of lending money (which would have caused them to collapse) they used TARP money to artificially generate deceptively healthy capital reserves.

PART 1
02:34 AM on 03/20/2009
A modest 3 Bdr house fit for a family of 1 or maybe 2 kids, very modest living arrangements went for about $640K to $700K last year in many areas of NY. This is something you would assume a young working couple starting a family should be able to afford. Now, assuming 20% down (which could be a challenge without some inheritance or similar), this is $520K-560K mortgage.The minimal income that would be required in normal times to support this mortgage size without taking undue risk of default would be probably be no less then $250K. How many young (or even old) couples can afford that?

Clearly something has to give - either you let the housing prices deflate to the natural levels at which there is a market for them and working people can buy them (which is good), or you have a prolonged period of artificially pumping a money into the banks until the inflation builds up to the point that people can afford the house again. In both cases the result is the same - real value of the houses went down, but to do it through inflation will be prolonged and painful. A bad approach.

People who think that these housing prices are sustainable and it is just matter of banks resuming lending live in some sort of bubble obviously...
11:42 AM on 03/11/2009
All bubbles historically have been based on a single mistaken belief, an exaggerated idea of the value of one thing. In this case, the bubble is based on credit. Borrowers and lenders both, relying on an overblown belief in the ability of credit to solve problems and create prosperity, have pushed credit beyond its natural limits into areas where it functions poorly and has a destabilizing effect.

It has been hard for economists to recognize the focus of the credit bubble because economists are trained to think of credit only as a good thing, an essential component of a functioning economy. That's why they are looking for somewhere else to point the blame. But credit can be good and bad on its own merits, and it is easy to think of examples of both.

The "injection" of artificial "liquidity" or "solvency" might slow down the bursting bubble but in doing so, can only add to the instability in the economy. It would be better to focus on things that can be done to stabilize the economy. The recent proposals for emergency deposit insurance funding are a good start.
06:42 PM on 03/12/2009
If you include Margins/leverage as credit, I guess so.

Credit Default Swaps Investment Insurance, now 10 times the actual stock volume.

http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/wall-street/2008/10/15/Credit-Derivatives-Role-in-Crash

Without Swaps, this would have been just another recession.

Till we stop Swaps, liquidate the Swaps insurance companies, and write off the Swap remaining debt, the economy is toast.
07:19 PM on 03/15/2009
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/research?action=profile

for supporting logic and links.
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11:40 PM on 03/10/2009
I heard her speaking today on C-Span and I have to say I was very impressed with her, her manner, and her detailed knowledge of policy during the FDR years.
11:36 PM on 03/10/2009
I don't doubt that real estate values are down, and that they were highly inflated.

What I disagree with is laying the blame for the current crisis on home values falling.

It isn't like one morning the entire nation woke up and said, "Hey, guess what, I think houses are worth about 25% less today than yesterday. Dang."

No. The air came out of the housing bubble when the Derivatives that drove those prices sky high began to unwind at the highest levels of the market!

Until Geithner and this administration lay the blame where it belongs, we will continue to throw more money at the wrong end of the problem. I don't expect to see this turnaround in policy for one reason--The banks would stop getting handouts, and that was the intent of this entire ponzi scam. Obama, nice man that he is, will not change that. Only another revolution that tears down the financial system that created this mess will.
10:42 PM on 03/10/2009
Now I'm as confused as the Obama administration! I'm hoping they come up with a plan by December or the recession might be over.
10:35 PM on 03/10/2009
What the heck is wrong with Obama. Dosen't he see that Job One is "It's The Economy Stupid"

Whose idea is it that a different speech each day in front of some special interest group (today with Spanish Educators) is the way to correct the Economy.

In Obama's first 50 days he has increased the size of the Government Debt by $2,200,000,000,000 (Trillion), increased government Guarantees by $800,000,000,000 (Billion), and proposed an Energy Plan with Cap & Trade that the Administration has projected would INCREASE each American Family's cost of Energy by $1,300!

Now he is about to sign a $410,000,000,000 (Billion) "Golden Kitchen Sink" bill that increases expenditures 8% over inflation and adds almost 9,000 Earmarks worth another $37,000,000,000 Billion).

Before he totally bankrupts our wonderful country, will someone please cut up his Golden American Express US Taxpayer Credit Card!
10:26 PM on 03/10/2009
So, when the republicans insist that the housing market is the problem they are saying that the banks are in good shape.

Right.
01:09 AM on 03/11/2009
The housing market problem is connected to banks who brought the bad loans.
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03:22 AM on 03/11/2009
--- and then sold over 50% of them to Fanny May and Freddie Mac because Fanny and Freddie, under the oversight of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank. Under their oversight Fanny and Freddie were specifically told to increase their purchases of Alt-A and No-Doc mortgage loans.

Fanny and Freddie had to be taken over and were recently given another $37 Billion to cover their losses over the past few months.
10:18 PM on 03/10/2009
You're diving down the road and you get a flat tire. Did you drive over a nail? Maybe a piece of glass? WHO CARES! JUST FIX THE TIRE!

Geithner's the guy with the grease under his nails that can fix the flat tire. We don't need a bunch of academics to hyper-analyze the situation. We need Applied Mechanics, not Theoretical Physics.

Those who can, do. Those that can't, teach.

I have absolutely zip, zero, zilch, nada faith or confidence in Christina Romer.
10:42 PM on 03/10/2009
Funny! That's what they said about Brooksley Born.
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03:23 AM on 03/11/2009
Agreed!
10:03 PM on 03/10/2009
Clearly, another case of a woman more qualified then someone in a higher position than she. And, it would be too much like right to promote her and let T.G. learn from her. Good grief. Let the women take over this, please. It's clear they get it.
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09:57 PM on 03/10/2009
Clearly, real estate prices (and most other assets) are in no way about to regain major lost ground -- i.e., re-inflate the bubble. This IS a sovency crisis (bad balance sheets), not a liquidity crisis (cash-flow imbalance).

An a non-economist, this seem obvious. Why doesn't smarty-pants Geithner get it?

Romer needs to talk to someone really smart -- Obama -- and have him resolve this with Geithner. Understanding the fundamental reality of the problem is essential before corrective action (or, really, harm-reduction action) can be taken.

If Geithner doesn't soon wise up, he needs to replaced pronto. This is way too serious an issue to worry about the pitfalls of another confirmation process. Obama needs to be hands-on the banking crisis until it is resolved -- with an acting Treasury Secretary if necessary.
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09:44 PM on 03/10/2009
I've read so much on this subject, I've begun to wonder if Mr Geithner has become a 'gnome' in your Treasury, seeing nothing, hearing nothing, etc. If George Soros, Ibrahim al-Hosseini and numerous others have worked out the true nature of the financial meltdown, why hasn't he?
Now, from Down Under, an ex-Prime Minister and (laughably) ex-Treasurer-of-the-Year (1989), has tipped a bucket on poor Timmy. He cites the bailout of Indonesia, where Mr G. “was the Treasury line officer who wrote the International Monetary Fund program for Indonesia in 1997-98, which was to apply current account solutions to a capital account crisis.” [quoted from an article by Peter Hartcher in March 3's Sydney Morning Herald]. This resulted, according to Paul Keating, who was Prime Minister of Australia at the time, in the total failure of IMF credibility in Asia from that time on.
This reads to me like a pretty large mistake for a guy who has an enormous global problem staring him in the face, to make. Can anyone shout through a Treasury window before Security drags them away, "Hey dude, you've done it again"?
09:58 PM on 03/10/2009
Of the Keating 5 ?
10:28 PM on 03/10/2009
Don't think so. Our Keating was home grown.
10:46 PM on 03/10/2009
Charles Keating was the S & L's chairman. The "Five" were all US Senators whose campaigns he contributed to (1.3 mil) and who he later called on to get the regulators to leave him alone. They tried, and it came out.
10:43 PM on 03/10/2009
I wonder if this is why Geithner is finding it so difficult to get anyone to play with him? Treasury administration is markedly understaffed.
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08:47 PM on 03/10/2009
Brookings Institution SAID FDR WAS WRONG !!!!!!!!

History proved FDR WAS RIGHT !!!!!!!!!!
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03:27 AM on 03/11/2009
No. WW2 is what pulled us out of the Depression not the New Deal.
01:41 AM on 03/23/2009
So, FDR was right...
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08:42 PM on 03/10/2009
Is Booking run by People that lost ?????

When "COMPUTER MONEY IS LOCKED IN BAD LOANS" the banks must turn to "PAPER MONEY" to keep things operating.

Only 1/3 of the U.S. Money is in paper the rest is only in computers.

Accessing paper money takes money out of the system.

Printing more paper money creates "INFLATION" and all the extra paper money has to come out of the system or interest rates must go up.
10:00 PM on 03/10/2009
I thought Podesta started/runs Brookings? One of those think tanks.