UN Condemns Britain's Role In US Torture Cases

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First Posted: 03-10-09 10:00 AM   |   Updated: 04-10-09 05:12 AM

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Britain was condemned last night for its complicity in the American programme of rendition and alleged torture of hundreds of terror suspects, in a highly critical United Nations report.

The UN Special Rapporteur Martin Scheinin said the US was only able to create its system for moving terror suspects around foreign jails because of the co-operation of allies, naming the UK alongside Pakistan, Indonesia, Kenya, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Canada and Georgia.

The report led to a clamour of calls for a full and independent investigation into the Government's involvement in the detention and movement of suspects since the start of the "war on terror" eight years ago.

Mr Scheinin's findings follow accusations made by British resident Binyam Mohamed, who claims to have evidence of MI5 telegrams sent to the CIA, which he says were used to direct his alleged torture during his 18-month detention in Morocco, before he was sent to the US detention camp at Guantanamo Bay. Some individuals faced "prolonged and secret detention" and practices which breached bans on torture and other forms of ill treatment, the report says.

"Evidence proves that Australian, British and US intelligence personnel have themselves interviewed detainees who were held incommunicado by the Pakistani secret intelligence service ... where they were being tortured," the report concludes. "UK intelligence personnel, for instance, conducted or witnessed just over 2,000 interviews in Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay and Iraq."

Mr Scheinin says countries are "responsible" if they help other states carry out human rights violations.

"Grave human rights violations by states such as torture, enforced disappearances or arbitrary detention should place serious constraints on policies of co-operation by states, including by their intelligence agencies, with states that are known to violate human rights," he said. "The prohibition against torture is an absolute and peremptory norm of international law. States must not aid or assist in the commission of acts of torture ... including by relying on intelligence information obtained through torture,"

The Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman, Ed Davey, called on the Attorney General, Baroness Scotland, to make a decision now on whether to ask the police to investigate Mr Mohamed's allegations. He added: "It is shameful that we now seem to be reliant on outside organisations to uphold the rule of law in our own country."

The Conservative national security spokeswoman, Baroness Neville-Jones of Hutton Roof, said: "Constant allegations which are not answered are damaging the good name of this country and undermining the credibility of the Government's position that it neither practises nor condones torture."

Along with Romania, Poland, Germany and Italy, Britain is accused of using laws designed to protect national security to "conceal illegal acts from oversight bodies or judicial authorities, or to protect itself from criticism, embarrassment and - most importantly - liability".

The Foreign Office said: "We unreservedly condemn any practice of 'extraordinary rendition' to torture. We have always condemned torture. The UK Government, including its intelligence and security agencies, never uses torture for any purpose, including obtaining information. Nor would we instigate action by others to do so."

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Britain was condemned last night for its complicity in the American programme of rendition and alleged torture of hundreds of terror suspects, in a highly critical United Nations report. The UN Speci...
Britain was condemned last night for its complicity in the American programme of rendition and alleged torture of hundreds of terror suspects, in a highly critical United Nations report. The UN Speci...
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 03/12/2009
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It does take courage to Tell about hose that comit tortue and those that Americans that Tortured Americans-- The TSP_ and Domestic Spying have Killed, Kidnap and Maimed and No one has been granted Immunity--

David Rivikin explaine the federal Criminal Statutory Laws and American Constitutional Laws and International laws

As I have stated before any US Militray personal that procur torture for another is guilty under a Biven Remedy-

That is why There is the Judical in whatever form it comes-- I have no quams telling I have a dead father with a paper trail and myself- In limbo with the embarresment and I refuse to pay the damages of a illgeal rogue program I am the only USA female toture victim that was given a short leg and other injuries for some white Texas males to amuse themselves

And On March 4 2008 David Rivikin explained the Laws to Texas Senator John Cornyn- clearly the road the CCR can take for victims

If I do not tell this will happen again

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 03/12/2009
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Along with Romania, Poland, Germany and Italy, Britain is accused of using laws designed to protect national security to "conceal illegal acts from oversight bodies or judicial authorities, or to protect itself from criticism, embarrassment and - most importantly - liability".

The Foreign Office said: "We unreservedly condemn any practice of 'extraordinary rendition' to torture. We have always condemned torture. The UK Government, including its intelligence and security agencies, never uses torture for any purpose, including obtaining information. Nor would we instigate action by others to do so."
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But, what do you do to stop it? Immediately report torture to the UN and gather as much evidence of it as possible to help the UN build a strong case, or thank torturers for the information and pay their governments billions of dollars of aid?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 03/11/2009

I believe this is the start of United Nations investigations into Bush's conduct in his war on terror.We all knew it was coming, we just did'nt know when.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 03/10/2009

Pray tell, Britain and others are condemned for their actions. I’m really amazed by the thought and by the way what will be their punishment. These are patsies of the first degree. For all who participated in this crime, may the Almighty have mercy on your wretched soul. Poor Britain and you other lap dogs, I guess you’re on your own, since you were part of the breaking it, now you must pay to fix it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 03/10/2009
- kimleehan I'm a Fan of kimleehan 32 fans permalink

To all those who think the United Nation is powerless, a joke, a debating society, get ready because the sh it is about to hit the fan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 03/10/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

Perhaps a more precise formulation is the "words will hit the fan".

If one tortures other folks or is complicit in torture, I can't imagine a little shame troubling that person's soul too much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 03/10/2009

Without the rule of law, the terrorists have already won. Those involved in this worlwide criminal conspiracy of torture will be brought to account and anyone who broke Canadian laws and subjected Canadian citizens or subjects to illegal acts will face the full force of the law.

As we learned in the Nuremberg trials, following 'orders' to torture innocent children and civilians is no excuse under the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 03/10/2009
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

No, as we learned at the Nuremberg trials, you first have to lose the war to be subject to victors' justice.

Those who win wars (or are not defeated in them) go off scot free.

Where there is any "justice" applied to the victors, it is always to the little people not the leaders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 03/10/2009

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 03/10/2009
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So the International Criminal Courts can file papers for Torture and Hold those agents criminal culpabilty to The International Laws of Torture?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 03/10/2009
- CubFanHere I'm a Fan of CubFanHere 19 fans permalink
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Yep, that's why people like David Addington and John Yoo should be worried as should anyone who personally participated in this type of activity. It's the same philosophy used to prosecute Nazis at all levels - from those who gave the orders to kill Jews to those who stood guard at the death camps. No one can claim "I was just following orders" when it comes to International Laws of Torture and the Geneva conventions. Now, the U.S. is not likely to extradite anyone to an International Court, but I wouldn't travel to Europe if I were Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Addington, or Yoo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 03/10/2009

The British Empire, the City of London-headquartered Anglo-Dutch oligarchy, is waging a multi-front attack against the Obama Presidency, aimed, first and foremost, at preventing the President from adopting policies modeled on those of Franklin Roosevelt, which saved the United States from fascism in the 1930s, and then paved the way for America's "Arsenal of Democracy'' war mobilization, which defeated the Axis powers in Europe and in the Pacific.

On the domestic front, some of the very same Wall Street families that battled against FDR throughout the 1930s and sought to destroy the New Deal, are bankrolling an identical campaign today, to defame FDR and the New Deal, and sabotage any Obama initiatives that even smack of a Rooseveltian impulse.

As one source close to the Administration put it recently, Wall Street is running a "berserker'' propaganda campaign, through the Wall Street Journal and other London-allied media organs, branding President Obama as a "radical Rooseveltian, who is killing the banks.''

Virtually plagiarizing from the American Liberty League pamphlets and leaflets, such Wall Street and London-owned poison pens as Amity Shlaes and Jim Powell, have lied that the Roosevelt New Deal "prolonged the Great Depression.'' They threaten to bring down the Obama Presidency if he dares to move in an FDR policy direction, knowing full well that a revival of FDR's Hamiltonian credit and investment policies would doom the British offshore financial empire, built upon drug money and unbridled speculation and looting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 03/10/2009
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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The Foreign Office said: "We unreservedly condemn any practice of 'extraordinary rendition' to torture. We have always condemned torture. The UK Government, including its intelligence and security agencies, never uses torture for any purpose, including obtaining information. Nor would we instigate action by others to do so."

Why have the Brits always been able to get away with this kind of brazen lying?

A cursory glance at Britain's war with the IRA will reveal how willingly the UK uses torture and assassination when it feels justified, which is whenever it wants to. (This is not a defense of everything the IRA did). Remember, Britain, like that other great hypocritical state, Israel, conveniently doesn't have a constitution to violate.

Britain has a disgraceful history of colonialism, murder and repression. It's the only state that waged a war to keep a nation hooked on opium. As for cooperating with illegal US practices -- well, since Churchill sold the place for help in WWII, the US owns the place. Unfortunately, we also inherited some of Britain's "white man's burden" arrogance in the process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 03/10/2009
- moflard I'm a Fan of moflard 12 fans permalink

Your info on the UK as regards the Consitution is seriously worng. it's just that the British constitution isn't written on one ossified document, but is made up of the body of common law, and it is referred to as the "Unwritten Constitution". Historically it has proven very strong, but like all constitutions (including that of the USA) it is no stronger than the willingness of those in authority to abide by its articles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 03/10/2009
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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Sorry, but some kind of unspecific "common law" is more like a tribal society than a modern state, which very nicely suits the British government's desire to do whatever it pleases. It is, after all, whet the government says it is.

I don't know what you mean by "historically it has proven very strong" because since its provisions aren't precisely specified, one can interpret events any way one likes. Contrast that with how the First Amendment, say, has been clearly and precisely interpreted over time.

BTW, Our Constitution isn't "ossified" it can be amended and has been. That's fundamentally different -- and far better -- that some kind of "common law" understanding by --who?

We've had that kind of "common law" rule in parts of our country. it was called "Jim Crow."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 03/10/2009

Wow, your hatred comes through loud and clear - you might want to rethink the idea that the US "inherited some of Britain's 'white man's burden'" after WWII. I think the US has it's own burden that dates back to its conception.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 03/10/2009
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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O are we ever sick and tired of the cliche label "hatred" for ideas we don't like. So E!

Well, in fact, the US, being somewhat influenced by its British origins, did in fact inherit and practice some of that "white man's burden." Our own national shame is no secret, and it's no excuse for the Brits.

We had slavery, they have their Opium War and a colonial empire. I wasn't absolving us, I was pointing out how the Brits have always managed to polish up their image , especially among gullible Americans who go gaga over an English accent.

After WWII, despite Roosevelt's statement that the US would not support colonialism (which mightily upset Saint Winston) we then steeped into the colonialist shoes as a Cold War strategy. Rather than support people around the world in their efforts to liberate themselves, we stupidly let the Soviets take on that role.

Probably our most egregious blunder is the apartheid state of Israel, imposed on an unwilling population by us and the European colonial powers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 AM on 03/11/2009
- Klimb I'm a Fan of Klimb 23 fans permalink

Tony Blair is now the presidential adviser of President Kagame of Rwanda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 03/10/2009
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 64 fans permalink

I wouldn't be surprised Klimb . . he certainly isn't suited to the job of Peace Envoy to the Middle East . . .

he belongs in jail for war crimes along with bush, cheney, et al

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 AM on 03/11/2009
- lisakaz2 I'm a Fan of lisakaz2 110 fans permalink
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Gee, I wonder when they'll get around to Bou$hee's role...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 03/10/2009

Why is Obama provoking the Chinese? Don't we already have enough international conflict?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 03/10/2009
- Klimb I'm a Fan of Klimb 23 fans permalink

Was Obama at sea? The adm acted upon reports received from Americans confronted at sea...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 03/10/2009

What article are you in? We're talking about Brits and torture, here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 03/10/2009
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What a about the Domestci Spying program that Tortured? Released Documents and Years of Congressibal hearings and Oversight of Justice and as confirmed By The CCR 100 victim violated by The TSP Bush's contriversial illegal program-

Prosecute under the war crimes act is Maming and Multiation

As the CIA was busted slicing a mans gentials with blades- That is Public Knowledge as well-

Rape is always can be prosecuted as many of these crimes Violate even US Jursidictions of Constitutional laws and The Suprme Court

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 03/10/2009
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