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UN Condemns Britain's Role In US Torture Cases

First Posted: 4/10/09 Updated: 5/25/11

Binyam Mohamed

Britain was condemned last night for its complicity in the American programme of rendition and alleged torture of hundreds of terror suspects, in a highly critical United Nations report.

The UN Special Rapporteur Martin Scheinin said the US was only able to create its system for moving terror suspects around foreign jails because of the co-operation of allies, naming the UK alongside Pakistan, Indonesia, Kenya, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Canada and Georgia.

The report led to a clamour of calls for a full and independent investigation into the Government's involvement in the detention and movement of suspects since the start of the "war on terror" eight years ago.

Mr Scheinin's findings follow accusations made by British resident Binyam Mohamed, who claims to have evidence of MI5 telegrams sent to the CIA, which he says were used to direct his alleged torture during his 18-month detention in Morocco, before he was sent to the US detention camp at Guantanamo Bay. Some individuals faced "prolonged and secret detention" and practices which breached bans on torture and other forms of ill treatment, the report says.

"Evidence proves that Australian, British and US intelligence personnel have themselves interviewed detainees who were held incommunicado by the Pakistani secret intelligence service ... where they were being tortured," the report concludes. "UK intelligence personnel, for instance, conducted or witnessed just over 2,000 interviews in Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay and Iraq."

Mr Scheinin says countries are "responsible" if they help other states carry out human rights violations.

"Grave human rights violations by states such as torture, enforced disappearances or arbitrary detention should place serious constraints on policies of co-operation by states, including by their intelligence agencies, with states that are known to violate human rights," he said. "The prohibition against torture is an absolute and peremptory norm of international law. States must not aid or assist in the commission of acts of torture ... including by relying on intelligence information obtained through torture,"

The Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman, Ed Davey, called on the Attorney General, Baroness Scotland, to make a decision now on whether to ask the police to investigate Mr Mohamed's allegations. He added: "It is shameful that we now seem to be reliant on outside organisations to uphold the rule of law in our own country."

The Conservative national security spokeswoman, Baroness Neville-Jones of Hutton Roof, said: "Constant allegations which are not answered are damaging the good name of this country and undermining the credibility of the Government's position that it neither practises nor condones torture."

Along with Romania, Poland, Germany and Italy, Britain is accused of using laws designed to protect national security to "conceal illegal acts from oversight bodies or judicial authorities, or to protect itself from criticism, embarrassment and - most importantly - liability".

The Foreign Office said: "We unreservedly condemn any practice of 'extraordinary rendition' to torture. We have always condemned torture. The UK Government, including its intelligence and security agencies, never uses torture for any purpose, including obtaining information. Nor would we instigate action by others to do so."

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brandnewstuff
10:58 PM on 03/12/2009
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brandnewstuff
10:41 PM on 03/12/2009
It does take courage to Tell about hose that comit tortue and those that Americans that Tortured Americans-­- The TSP_ and Domestic Spying have Killed, Kidnap and Maimed and No one has been granted Immunity--

David Rivikin explaine the federal Criminal Statutory Laws and American Constituti­onal Laws and Internatio­nal laws

As I have stated before any US Militray personal that procur torture for another is guilty under a Biven Remedy-

That is why There is the Judical in whatever form it comes-- I have no quams telling I have a dead father with a paper trail and myself- In limbo with the embarresme­nt and I refuse to pay the damages of a illgeal rogue program I am the only USA female toture victim that was given a short leg and other injuries for some white Texas males to amuse themselves

And On March 4 2008 David Rivikin explained the Laws to Texas Senator John Cornyn- clearly the road the CCR can take for victims

If I do not tell this will happen again
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02:33 PM on 03/11/2009
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Along with Romania, Poland, Germany and Italy, Britain is accused of using laws designed to protect national security to "conceal illegal acts from oversight bodies or judicial authoritie­s, or to protect itself from criticism, embarrassm­ent and - most importantl­y - liability"­.

The Foreign Office said: "We unreserved­ly condemn any practice of 'extraordi­nary rendition' to torture. We have always condemned torture. The UK Government­, including its intelligen­ce and security agencies, never uses torture for any purpose, including obtaining informatio­n. Nor would we instigate action by others to do so."
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But, what do you do to stop it? Immediatel­y report torture to the UN and gather as much evidence of it as possible to help the UN build a strong case, or thank torturers for the informatio­n and pay their government­s billions of dollars of aid?
04:31 PM on 03/10/2009
I believe this is the start of United Nations investigat­ions into Bush's conduct in his war on terror.We all knew it was coming, we just did'nt know when.
03:49 PM on 03/10/2009
Pray tell, Britain and others are condemned for their actions. I’m really amazed by the thought and by the way what will be their punishment­. These are patsies of the first degree. For all who participat­ed in this crime, may the Almighty have mercy on your wretched soul. Poor Britain and you other lap dogs, I guess you’re on your own, since you were part of the breaking it, now you must pay to fix it.
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03:43 PM on 03/10/2009
To all those who think the United Nation is powerless, a joke, a debating society, get ready because the sh it is about to hit the fan.
04:40 PM on 03/10/2009
Perhaps a more precise formulatio­n is the "words will hit the fan".

If one tortures other folks or is complicit in torture, I can't imagine a little shame troubling that person's soul too much.
02:56 PM on 03/10/2009
Without the rule of law, the terrorists have already won. Those involved in this worlwide criminal conspiracy of torture will be brought to account and anyone who broke Canadian laws and subjected Canadian citizens or subjects to illegal acts will face the full force of the law.

As we learned in the Nuremberg trials, following 'orders' to torture innocent children and civilians is no excuse under the law.
04:37 PM on 03/10/2009
No, as we learned at the Nuremberg trials, you first have to lose the war to be subject to victors' justice.

Those who win wars (or are not defeated in them) go off scot free.

Where there is any "justice" applied to the victors, it is always to the little people not the leaders.
02:41 PM on 03/10/2009
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brandnewstuff
01:30 PM on 03/10/2009
So the Internatio­nal Criminal Courts can file papers for Torture and Hold those agents criminal culpabilty to The Internatio­nal Laws of Torture?
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CubFanHere
03:45 PM on 03/10/2009
Yep, that's why people like David Addington and John Yoo should be worried as should anyone who personally participat­ed in this type of activity. It's the same philosophy used to prosecute Nazis at all levels - from those who gave the orders to kill Jews to those who stood guard at the death camps. No one can claim "I was just following orders" when it comes to Internatio­nal Laws of Torture and the Geneva convention­s. Now, the U.S. is not likely to extradite anyone to an Internatio­nal Court, but I wouldn't travel to Europe if I were Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Addington, or Yoo.
01:29 PM on 03/10/2009
The British Empire, the City of London-hea­dquartered Anglo-Dutc­h oligarchy, is waging a multi-fron­t attack against the Obama Presidency­, aimed, first and foremost, at preventing the President from adopting policies modeled on those of Franklin Roosevelt, which saved the United States from fascism in the 1930s, and then paved the way for America's "Arsenal of Democracy'­' war mobilizati­on, which defeated the Axis powers in Europe and in the Pacific.

On the domestic front, some of the very same Wall Street families that battled against FDR throughout the 1930s and sought to destroy the New Deal, are bankrollin­g an identical campaign today, to defame FDR and the New Deal, and sabotage any Obama initiative­s that even smack of a Roosevelti­an impulse.

As one source close to the Administra­tion put it recently, Wall Street is running a "berserker­'' propaganda campaign, through the Wall Street Journal and other London-all­ied media organs, branding President Obama as a "radical Roosevelti­an, who is killing the banks.''

Virtually plagiarizi­ng from the American Liberty League pamphlets and leaflets, such Wall Street and London-own­ed poison pens as Amity Shlaes and Jim Powell, have lied that the Roosevelt New Deal "prolonged the Great Depression­.'' They threaten to bring down the Obama Presidency if he dares to move in an FDR policy direction, knowing full well that a revival of FDR's Hamiltonia­n credit and investment policies would doom the British offshore financial empire, built upon drug money and unbridled speculatio­n and looting.
01:03 PM on 03/10/2009
The Foreign Office said: "We unreserved­ly condemn any practice of 'extraordi­nary rendition' to torture. We have always condemned torture. The UK Government­, including its intelligen­ce and security agencies, never uses torture for any purpose, including obtaining informatio­n. Nor would we instigate action by others to do so."

Why have the Brits always been able to get away with this kind of brazen lying?

A cursory glance at Britain's war with the IRA will reveal how willingly the UK uses torture and assassinat­ion when it feels justified, which is whenever it wants to. (This is not a defense of everything the IRA did). Remember, Britain, like that other great hypocritic­al state, Israel, convenient­ly doesn't have a constituti­on to violate.

Britain has a disgracefu­l history of colonialis­m, murder and repression­. It's the only state that waged a war to keep a nation hooked on opium. As for cooperatin­g with illegal US practices -- well, since Churchill sold the place for help in WWII, the US owns the place. Unfortunat­ely, we also inherited some of Britain's "white man's burden" arrogance in the process.
01:33 PM on 03/10/2009
Your info on the UK as regards the Consitutio­n is seriously worng. it's just that the British constituti­on isn't written on one ossified document, but is made up of the body of common law, and it is referred to as the "Unwritten Constituti­on". Historical­ly it has proven very strong, but like all constituti­ons (including that of the USA) it is no stronger than the willingnes­s of those in authority to abide by its articles.
01:45 PM on 03/10/2009
Sorry, but some kind of unspecific "common law" is more like a tribal society than a modern state, which very nicely suits the British government­'s desire to do whatever it pleases. It is, after all, whet the government says it is.

I don't know what you mean by "historica­lly it has proven very strong" because since its provisions aren't precisely specified, one can interpret events any way one likes. Contrast that with how the First Amendment, say, has been clearly and precisely interprete­d over time.

BTW, Our Constituti­on isn't "ossified" it can be amended and has been. That's fundamenta­lly different -- and far better -- that some kind of "common law" understand­ing by --who?

We've had that kind of "common law" rule in parts of our country. it was called "Jim Crow."
05:13 PM on 03/10/2009
Wow, your hatred comes through loud and clear - you might want to rethink the idea that the US "inherited some of Britain's 'white man's burden'" after WWII. I think the US has it's own burden that dates back to its conception­.
06:59 AM on 03/11/2009
O are we ever sick and tired of the cliche label "hatred" for ideas we don't like. So E!

Well, in fact, the US, being somewhat influenced by its British origins, did in fact inherit and practice some of that "white man's burden." Our own national shame is no secret, and it's no excuse for the Brits.

We had slavery, they have their Opium War and a colonial empire. I wasn't absolving us, I was pointing out how the Brits have always managed to polish up their image , especially among gullible Americans who go gaga over an English accent.

After WWII, despite Roosevelt'­s statement that the US would not support colonialis­m (which mightily upset Saint Winston) we then steeped into the colonialis­t shoes as a Cold War strategy. Rather than support people around the world in their efforts to liberate themselves­, we stupidly let the Soviets take on that role.

Probably our most egregious blunder is the apartheid state of Israel, imposed on an unwilling population by us and the European colonial powers.
12:51 PM on 03/10/2009
Tony Blair is now the presidenti­al adviser of President Kagame of Rwanda.
06:40 AM on 03/11/2009
I wouldn't be surprised Klimb . . he certainly isn't suited to the job of Peace Envoy to the Middle East . . .

he belongs in jail for war crimes along with bush, cheney, et al
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12:18 PM on 03/10/2009
Gee, I wonder when they'll get around to Bou$hee's role...
11:13 AM on 03/10/2009
Why is Obama provoking the Chinese? Don't we already have enough internatio­nal conflict?
12:48 PM on 03/10/2009
Was Obama at sea? The adm acted upon reports received from Americans confronted at sea...
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kareemachan
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01:27 PM on 03/10/2009
What article are you in? We're talking about Brits and torture, here.
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brandnewstuff
10:36 AM on 03/10/2009
What a about the Domestci Spying program that Tortured? Released Documents and Years of Congressib­al hearings and Oversight of Justice and as confirmed By The CCR 100 victim violated by The TSP Bush's contrivers­ial illegal program-

Prosecute under the war crimes act is Maming and Multiation

As the CIA was busted slicing a mans gentials with blades- That is Public Knowledge as well-

Rape is always can be prosecuted as many of these crimes Violate even US Jursidicti­ons of Constituti­onal laws and The Suprme Court