Summers: Consumer Spending Stabilized But Economy Gripped By Fear

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March 13, 2009 11:16 AM

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Barack Obama's chief financial adviser said on Friday that the president's economic policies had already had effects, however marginal, on the nation's economy, including stabilizing consumer spending.

"It is surely too early to gauge the broader economic impact of the President's program," said Larry Summers, director of the National Economic Council. "But it is modestly encouraging that since it began to take shape, consumer spending in the US, which was collapsing during the holiday season, appears, according to a number of indicators, to have stabilized."

Speaking at the Brookings Institution, the rest of Summers remarks were only moderately optimistic. Discussing the broader landscape, including a Dow Industrial Average that "was at the same level as it was in 1966," he warned that the U.S. economy is gripped by fear, drawing parallels to the Great Depression.

"In the past few years, we've seen too much greed and too little fear, too much spending and not enough saving, too much borrowing and not enough worrying," he said. "Today, however, our problem is exactly the opposite. It is this transition from an excess of greed to an excess of fear that President Roosevelt had in mind when he famously observed that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself. It is this transition that has happened in the United States today."

In his first major policy speech since President Obama took office, Summers said that the administration's goal is to find a medium between the "abundance of greed and an absence of fear" that personified the past decade, and the reverse, where "[g]reed gives way to fear and this fear begets more fear." Repeating a new mantra from the White House, he declared that the country needed to wean itself off of "bubble driven economic growth," calling it "problematic" for its "disruption and dislocation."

In place of "asset price inflation-induced consumption," he said, the foundations of the economy and the engines of growth had to be more stable. The bullet points he hit on included: "stronger exports," moving "away from foreign debt-financed growth," containing health care costs, investing in "energy vulnerability," and improving America's education system. The metric of success, in turn, would be jobs.

"Rising employment will lead to rising spending, which leads t further increases in income and employment," he said. "Of fundamental importance is ensuring that we do not exchange a painful recession for another unsustainable expansion. That would not only be irresponsible, it would be counterproductive."

Barack Obama's chief financial adviser said on Friday that the president's economic policies had already had effects, however marginal, on the nation's economy, including stabilizing consumer spending...
Barack Obama's chief financial adviser said on Friday that the president's economic policies had already had effects, however marginal, on the nation's economy, including stabilizing consumer spending...
 
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The reason there is fear in the economy is the fact that Summers is one of those in charge. He is one of the main people responsible for deregulation of the financial system which led us to this crisis. He predicted the crisis too, and he carried out his deregulation agenda anyway, which makes him a criminal. Summers needs to be fired now before Obama loses popular support and credibility. Summers is a mole for the banksters and is giving Obama terrible advice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 03/31/2009
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What does this article mean? Is Stiglitz being heard, or not?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aTklStlSWcDQ

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 AM on 03/14/2009
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Summers hates Stiglitz and got him fired as chief economist at the World Bank. Summers is also a ruthless workplace politician.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 03/15/2009
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Okay, Larry, in terms of policies, short-term and / or long-term, how are you going to do that.

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In place of "asset price inflation-induced consumption," he said, the foundations of the economy and the engines of growth had to be more stable. The bullet points he hit on included: "stronger exports," moving "away from foreign debt-financed growth," containing health care costs, investing in "energy vulnerability," and improving America's education system. The metric of success, in turn, would be jobs.
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Am I being too demanding of Mr. Summers, or would that be the sound of proverbial crickets I "hear"? In other words, is he not mainly stating the obvious, avoiding the difficult question "how"?

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"Rising employment will lead to rising spending, which leads t further increases in income and employment," he said.
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Quite obvious.

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"Of fundamental importance is ensuring that we do not exchange a painful recession for another unsustainable expansion. That would not only be irresponsible, it would be counterproductive."
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Yes. Now, *how* do we do that? Which policies lead to sustainable expansion, and which invite unsustainable bubbles? What you've said, Mr. Summers, I can deduce without your assistance, and I only ever studied one semester each of introductory micro- and macroeconomics. If you have no more informative statements on the matter than those, well, you're overpaid to put it gently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 03/13/2009
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Much of what he had to say might be quite obvious, but is it quite true? President Obama has somewhat co opted the enemy, taken them into his tent and given them his message to carry. Summers served the Reagan team and has recommended not taxing capital gains as a "jobs" strategy. He fired Joseph Stiglitz from the World Bank.

His remark about unsustainable expansion is alarming. We are in a deep hole and DO NEED a sustainable expansion even if it means commodity price inflation. Remember, money is only paper. Commerce and consumption -- particularly in commodities -- is life and death.

Printing more money, though necessary to ameliorate the suffering of the downturn, will leave excessive money in the system as the banks start lending again and make their kind of money based on credit. This will cause price inflation. Without wage inflation, the extra money slips up class and leaves us with the paper trading that has now proven so impractical. So far as it works, this kind of wealth and disparity begins to make a nation of aristocrats and serfs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 03/15/2009

MARCH 13, 2009
On Friday’s Mark Levin Show: Mark describes old conservative principles and the conflicts between the socialized viewpoints and those that believe in truth and liberty. Mark also discusses earmarks, and why the Republican Party won’t stand up against the ridiculous earmarks and pork spending that is in so many congressional bills. There are people that do things, and people that talk through things. Finally, the more the government taxes us, the more they punish us. Obama is an ideologue and wants everyone to be on the same system and level - he preaches a class warfare system.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 03/13/2009
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That looks just like the neo-conservative, anti-poor, blame the victim trash that caused this mess, by distracting us from de-regulation of the largest, riskiest transactions, in exchange for campaign financing.

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Mark also discusses earmarks, and why the Republican Party won"t stand up against the ridiculous earmarks and pork spending that is in so many congressional bills.
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3% of budget, mostly NOT wasteful.

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Finally, the more the government taxes us, the more they punish us.. Obama is an ideologue and wants everyone to be on the same system and level - he preaches a class warfare system.
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Really? What has he ever taken from you, personally? Corporatists want you to hate President Obama so they can keep being overpaid. They overpay [by a relatively small amount] shills like this "Mark Levin" to induce listeners to identify with some collective, then imagine that, as a member of this collective, we have been deprived of something that is rightfully yours.

We have not, at least not any more than everybody else.

But, the Federal Reserve does *loan* every dollar printed by the Treasury at interest, to the profit of unproductive bank-gangsters, or banksters, *before* being put into circulation, meaning before it is paid to the producers who earn it by creating the goods and providing the services money merely symbolizes. "Socialism" is mainly a red herring to keep us from noticing the biggest crooks. Good pay for good work is a fair demand.

www.campaignforliberty.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 03/13/2009
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the more the government taxes us, the more they punish us.
darnsannity

Right. And the more the grocer charges us for our food, he punishes us more by taking our money. The more the barber charges us for haircuts or styles, he punishes our vanity by taking our money. This has somewhat to do with encouraging productivity by paying for it and rationing the product by taking earnings. Finally, all is in a grand balance. Goods are sought and made. People prosper by their own strength organized within the money system.

The government provides services. Many like military defense and public sanitation benefit all and should be paid up front, then freely given. Taxes bring the government into the money system. It can sit on the outside and just print the money. This becomes extraordinarily political and has never worked out well for very long.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 03/15/2009
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A little optimism is needed here. Along with a small effort (all right, a big effort) on everybody's part
to help get the economy moving again. We've come out of the major depression before, we've emerged
from enumeral small recessions, and we'll get on top of this one. Obama and his team are on the right
track in spite of the negativity of the opposition party.
If I were ten years younger I would even plant a victory garden again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 03/13/2009
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I think the market is being manipulated somewhat because of political reasons. Possibly things could be better than what they presently are if everyone would do kick in and share the work needed to be done rather than sit on the sidelines and be a party of opposition. So much could be accomplished if they wanted to. A fair taxation system alone could bring this country back financially and a few manufacturers to start the ball rolling again in this country would be a healthy beginning. The rest would follow. Greed must be set aside in the good of the country, if that's possible. This has always been a resiliant country and the people have always been willing to do what's nessesary but this massive amount of greed we have seen is definately something new.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 03/13/2009
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My basic knowledge of economics is just that--very basic. I can't but think that if we spend the way we donated to the President's campaign-twenty bucks here, fifty there--it would help the economy. Not to spur a full fledged recovery by any means, but enough to keep a lot of small businesses operating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 03/13/2009
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Your probably right! It's hard to do when laid off or fear of being laid off. You tighten up every thought of spending. As soon as I see people being hired back, Ill spend again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 03/13/2009
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Gee it sounds like no one is playing well with each other un here. Whats going on? Can't we all get along? Can I join in?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 03/13/2009
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It was action packed earlier. Hope you didn't get blasted by all that snow earlier in the week--they got close to a foot where my folks live.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 03/13/2009
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It just missed us. more drizzle than anything. South of MPLS by approx 50 miles along the river. Hope this was the last blast but we always get something during boys basketball tourneys. 40 degress to its like spring!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 03/13/2009
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ahhh Hume... you've proven my point exactly.

You don't want an answer to your question, you want to hear what you want to hear. You remind me of a 5 year old. "Tell me the truth, but make it what I want to hear"

You ask for an answer, I gave you an answer, but it's not what you want to hear... so you whine.

Well, whine away son... it's what you do best.

Do you REALLY think what you feel about me is important in any way, shape or form?

Methinks those 600 fans have gone to your head and makes you feel more important than you really are. pssstt.... you're really not that important, to me at least, which I'm sure is fine with you.

Like I said earlier, you're not going to draw me into anything like you did with Rumple, whether I'm in his league or not.

I said what I had to say, and that's it, believe it or not, it's up to you.

If I'm not important, why does it matter what my reasons are?
Either my points and posts are important, or you're taking on your 'leadership' role here a little too seriously.

Eveything I posted was true whether you believe it or not.

Remember this: "Truth is not truth because you believe it, truth is truth whether you believe it or not"

Now you can carry on whining and complaining about what you think, I'll watch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 03/13/2009
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That's a good quote on truth- undoubtedly for most people reality is their belief which can be mistaken for truth.

(Not sure what the other stuff is about.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 PM on 03/13/2009
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To Humeskeptic... and others.

Listen carefully, I will not be saying this again. Hume, I want to avoid your meltdown, for with hundreds of posters, you're too big to fa il... so I'll bail you out.

All of those posts were in direct response to you (the plural you). You call McCain all kinds of names, yet get all hyper when someone said Barry.

You talk about McCain's short comings, but get upset when someone mentions Obama's.

You call the republicans all kinds of names, yet get all hyper when you're called names.

You make fun of everyone, but get all hyper when you're made fun of.

So I dug in. Everytime you guys said something about someone, I said the same kind of thing about your guys and watch you get all righteous.

It was all fun, and for informational purposes.

The Palin remarks were just a bonus, I knew she really got you guys going, so I dug in there too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 03/13/2009
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What you guys seem to miss, and I threw these in there... was where I said I voted for Obama, sent money to his campaign as well.. oh yeah, that was another thing. it was so amusing how. as Obama supporters, you were the exact opposite of his philosophy.

You may believe me, or you may not, it's your perogitive.

I did it to poke fun at you... saying the same things you say, to show you that you can give but you cannot take.

If the poking fun was not to your liking, look in the mirror.

But I'll apologize and say If that was too much to handle, i'm sorry you guys can't see yourselves for what you are... human beings with the same mindset as the right, just different values.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 03/13/2009
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Pure bullcrap.
You just keep digging a deeper hole for yourself.
Pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 03/13/2009
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All of those posts were in direct response to you (the plural you). You call McCain all kinds of names, yet get all hyper when someone said Barry.
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Prove it, by posting relevant comments by me to which you replied.

I think you are making sh*t up.

You are in a deep hole, GaBu, what is the point in digging deeper?

And I don't get hyper by you calling Obama as "Barry". I could care less, GaBu. That tells me a lot more about you and your intellect than anything else.

Call him anything you want. Call me anything you want. :-)

But, just don't try to bullsh*t your way out of what you did. That's all.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 03/13/2009
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Here is the truth that cable show's talking heads and tr0lls won't mention. Obama is the first President to have a daily economic briefing as well as a national security briefing. So the economy is a priority.

To hear this lack of focus b.s. and te Obama is "trying to do too much" spin is politics as usual. Obama's got a handle on all of these problems and Tim G is being prudent and careful in formulating a plan for the banks. The stress test will be done next week and shortly after that a clear plan will emerge to clean up the credit default swaps and the exotic deratives that sacrificed long term stability for short term paper profits that only benefited CEO's and management at the expense of all other stakeholders.

April 1st the middle class will see their tax cut in their checks and will spend, save or pay down debt, all of which will strengthen the short term economy while the new budget and phased in stimulus spending will begin to structurally strengthen the long term prospects and thus institutonal investor confidence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 03/13/2009
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To hear this lack of focus b.s
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Absolutely. And it is also BS to expect that he shouldn't be doing other things. All these pundits would be complaining if he didn't take care of Gitmo, or ignored Iraq withdrawal, or did nothing in the Middle East, etc.

As far as I'm concerned, the man has exceeded all expectations, and is doing a fantastic job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 03/13/2009
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kevenseve's tomato plants are like Obama's Stimulus plan. It has been hours since keven planted those, and i don't see any ripe tomatoes?

keven, you failed. Your tomato plants are bad.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 03/13/2009
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I feel such a fraud. I have betrayed the nation.

Oh, and my tomatoes are not even in yet!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 03/13/2009
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Oh, and my tomatoes are not even in yet!
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Excuses, excuses. Just like Obama.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 03/13/2009
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Too bad Kevin can't sprinkle all of your comments on his plants. With all that manu re Kevin would have blue ribbon tomatoes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 03/13/2009
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You are so clever. Wow!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 03/13/2009
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What a load of crap! Now, after a couple of months we're suddenly "saving too much"! Sheeple, sheeple, that's what the rich don't want you to do. Hey, remember? The reason they give stimuli to the poor is they spend it while the rich do what? SAVE IT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 03/13/2009
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I don't know why people find it so difficult to give a straight answer.

GaBu, either you still hold your views in those old posts, or you don't. It is simple.

Do you think it was OK to refer to Obama as "Barry" and mock his supporters ("libs") as having "orgasams" over his speech?

If yes, say so.

If, no, just apologize for those remarks and move on. That is, if you wish to be viewed differently now.

Why all these gyrations, and bring in Einstein, and flipping burgers, and all the other unrelated nonsense, GaBu?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 03/13/2009
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Geeze you're relentless. Why are you so caught up with me if I'm not important?

As for Einstein, I have a special reason for asking you that... it will be revealed soon.

The flipping burgers part was in response to trollslayer, who ever she is... she took a comment I made about reporting back to my supervisors and took it as truth (even though she called me a liar), and said I was part of operation Chaos. I want to know why she didn't comment about me flipping burgers at Taco Bell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 03/13/2009
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It's not that you are important. It's just that I provided evidence that you are a fraud. That's all. And you have not been able to show that you are not.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 03/13/2009
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"I don't know why people find it so difficult to give a straight answer."

What do you mean?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 03/13/2009
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In view of his 0ld statements, GaBu was asked to answer what his game is, because he now claims to be fair and unbiased.

All GaBu has to do is to say that he changed his mind, or that he hasn't, and is just putting up a show now.
There is no third option.
It's simple.

Instead, he is taliking about Einstein, talking about burgers at Taco Bell, calling me names, all kind of stuff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 03/13/2009
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The tomatoes will be going in any minute!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 03/13/2009
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Kev I'm almost jealous that I'm not in Cali anymore. There's not even a sign of a leaf on a tree, yet. Got any good recipes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 03/13/2009
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Kid, I got nothing BUT good recipes!

You should buy a copy of Lynn Rosetto Kasper's "The Splendid Table".

It is about ten years old, so new copies can be had off the web for a few dollars.

It is glorious. And very accessible.

That is a good starting point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 03/13/2009
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Remind them to use the appropriate sunblock.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 03/13/2009
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What's taking so long?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 03/13/2009
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As I wrote earlier, I shovel all the soil up into a huge sieve, then push it back and forth over the wire mesh. Especially if the soil is at all damp, which it is, it is a lot of work.

I'm working a section 5' x 15' just now. I have another bit that is larger than that to clean up for next weekend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 03/13/2009
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And one last thing GaBu.

You posted a comment that seemed very much to indicate you are part of Operation Chaos.

I have to report to my supervisor tonight, and here are my preliminary findings. - Libs flail about in uncontrollable spasms, - Libs are very sheepish in nature, and insecure, they pat each other on the back often, I guess it helps with the depression. - Libs are generally uninformed, and generally respond with name calling, and get all in a frenzy sometimes, which is odd behavior for sheep, go figure. - Libs are fun, you can manipulate them with certain words, or well placed responses, then you can sit back and laugh at their predictable responses. - Of the libs I've seen so far, one seems reasonable, 2 or 3 seem somewhat reasonable, the rest, no clue. Now, I'm reaching across the aisle here, giving you this report that was only for internal purposes, so please don't tell my super anything, I might lose my job, and I have 5 kids to feed, and one is preg.nant.

posted Sep 10, 2008 at 23:26:43

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 03/13/2009
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You forget the one where I said I flip bugers at Taco Bell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 03/13/2009
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I didm't know you stuttered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 03/13/2009
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You forgot the ones where I said I flip burgers at Taco Bell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 03/13/2009
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I didm't know you stuttered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 03/13/2009
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trollslayer See Profile I'm a Fan of trollslayer I'm a fan of this user permalink

That's my point. GaBu is trying to rewrite history. He was never a supporter of Obama. He was an avid fan of Palin and touted McCain as the next President. I can't find a single post in his profile to indicate he was going to vote for Obama.
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Show me where I touted McCain as the next President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 03/13/2009
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Here's a sample of your pro McCain and anti "Barry" comments...

They're jealous because the maverick out foxed them. This proves McCains ability, and willingness to break even from his own party.

You are aware the American public has moved on to the Mavericks and leaving Joe-Bama behind. I see libs now asking "What happened?" "where did we go wrong?" "This was ours to win, it was our turn" Accept the inevitable, you'll sleep better at night. Don't worry, The Mavericks will find a place in the cabinet for a few dems.

Flailing libs and flip flopping candidates. What a bunch. Libs, sure know how to win an election. NOT!

Flailing libs sure picked a winner this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 03/13/2009
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Ah.... those comments bring back memories... having fun, talking cr@p with, and about you guys... Post some more please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 03/13/2009
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Oh, you're not fooling anyone.

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And here's an example of what I consider to be big.oted talk...

Yeah, sure. Did you factor in those who will never vote for a black man, but won't admit to it in public?
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Only a closeted big.ot would post that kind of comment. I always believed Obama would win, and that people would vote on the basis of the better candidate, not the color of his skin.

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Yeah, I'm a closeted big ot.... geeze...

Like I said below, reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it?

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