Most Immigrants In Detention Did Not Have Criminal Record, Reports AP

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MICHELLE ROBERTS | March 15, 2009 11:13 PM EST | AP

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This photo released by Lauren Rivera shows Sarjina Emy in an April 2006 photo. Emy, a 20-year-old former honors student, spent nearly two years in a Florida lockup, because her parents' asylum claim was denied when she was a child. (AP Photo/Lauren Rivera)

America's detention system for immigrants has mushroomed in the last decade, a costly building boom that was supposed to sweep up criminals and ensure that undocumented immigrants were quickly shown the door.

Instead, an Associated Press computer analysis of every person being held on a recent Sunday night shows that most did not have a criminal record and many were not about to leave the country _ voluntarily or via deportation.

An official Immigration and Customs Enforcement database, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, showed a U.S. detainee population of exactly 32,000 on the evening of Jan. 25.

The data show that 18,690 immigrants had no criminal conviction, not even for illegal entry or low-level crimes like trespassing. More than 400 of those with no criminal record had been incarcerated for at least a year. A dozen had been held for three years or more; one man from China had been locked up for more than five years.

Nearly 10,000 had been in custody longer than 31 days _ the average detention stay that ICE cites as evidence of its effective detention management.

Especially tough bail conditions are exacerbated by disregard or bending of the rules regarding how long immigrants can be detained.

Based on a 2001 ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court, ICE has about six months to deport or release immigrants after their case is decided. But immigration lawyers say that deadline is routinely missed. In the system snapshot provided to the AP, 950 people were in that category.

The detainee buildup began in the mid 1990s, long before the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Since 2003, though, Congress has doubled to $1.7 billion the amount dedicated to imprisoning immigrants, as furor over "criminal aliens" intertwined with post-9/11 fears and anti-immigrant political rhetoric.

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But the dragnet has come to include not only terrorism suspects and cop killers, but an honors student who was raised in Orlando, Fla.; a convenience store clerk who begged to go back to Canada; and a Pentecostal minister who was forcibly drugged by ICE agents after he asked to contact his wife, according to court records.

Immigration lawyers note that substantial numbers of detainees, from 177 countries in the data provided, are not illegal immigrants at all. Many of the longest-term non-criminal detainees are asylum seekers fighting to stay here because they fear being killed in their home country. Others are longtime residents who may be eligible to stay under other criteria, or whose applications for permanent residency were lost or mishandled, the lawyers say.

Still other long-term detainees include people who can't be deported because their home country won't accept them or people who seemingly have been forgotten in the behemoth system, where 58 percent have no lawyers or anyone else advocating on their behalf.

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ICE says detention is the best way to guarantee that immigrants attend court hearings and leave the country when ordered.

"It's ensuring compliance, and if you look at the stats, for folks who are in detention, the stats are pretty darn high," said ICE spokeswoman Cori Bassett.

By comparison though, most criminal suspects, even sometimes those accused of heinous offenses, are entitled to bail.

For detainees, ICE agents make an initial determination whether someone is eligible for bond. Federal law says most criminals, some asylum seekers, arriving immigrants who have problems with their documentation and those recently ordered removed from the country must remain in detention.

"We're immigrants, and it makes it seem like it's worse than a criminal," said Sarjina Emy, a 20-year-old former honors student who spent nearly two years in a Florida lockup because her parents' asylum claim was denied when she was a child. "I always thought America does so much for justice. I really thought you get a fair trial. You actually go to court. (U.S. authorities) know what they are doing. Now, I figured out that it only works for criminal citizens."

Some advocates and lawyers complain that ICE often stretches the definition of non-bondable categories to keep immigrants in custody. Immigrants can appeal adverse determinations, but while their claim works through the court system, they remain jailed.

For example, Zoubir Bouchikhi, an Algerian imam who has lived legally in the United States for 11 years, said by phone from a Houston detention center that he was placed in custody early this year and classified as "an arriving alien," making him ineligible for bail. A homeowner with several U.S.-born children, Bouchikhi said he last entered the United States in 2006, on a legal visa.

The use of detention to ensure immigrants show up for immigration court comes at a high cost compared to alternatives like electronic ankle monitoring, which can track people for considerably less money per day.

Based on the amount budgeted for this fiscal year, U.S. taxpayers will pay about $141 a night _ the equivalent of a decent hotel room _ for each immigrant detained, even though paroling them on ankle monitors _ at a budgeted average daily cost of $13 _ has an almost perfect compliance rate, according to ICE's own stats.

Critics argue that since the immigration court system lacks the constitutional protections granted accused murderers and rapists, taxpayers are grossly overspending for a system that is inhumane and unfair.

"This is not an economically rational way of ensuring people show up, and it doesn't further justice," said Judy Rabinovitz of the American Civil Liberties Union's Immigrants Rights Project.

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For years, ICE and its predecessor, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, had the power to detain immigrants. With little bed space or public clamor to lock people up, though, millions of foreigners quietly went about life in the United States.

In 1996, Congress passed a pair of laws requiring that immigrants who committed crimes be locked up for deportation, beginning a dramatic run-up in incarcerations. So-called "criminal aliens" _ immigrants convicted of a crime, including some misdemeanors like low-level drug crimes _ became mandatory detainees even if their original crime brought no prison time.

A system that housed 6,785 immigrants in 1994 now holds nearly five times that amount in 260 facilities across the country, most under contract with local governments or private companies. For this fiscal year, ICE has enough money budgeted for 33,400 people on any given night.

Groups that advocate limits on immigration see no problem with the growing use of incarceration, which they say is a deterrent.

"Just because you haven't committed a crime doesn't mean that you shouldn't be held in detention until you can be deported," said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform. Even though not every illegal immigrant can be held, "if you bust a certain amount, it sends a message."

The message hasn't resonated with Emy, who was raised in Orlando, Fla., but spent 20 months in a detention center even though she had no criminal record. She traded her Baby Phat clothes for a gray uniform and window-shopping at the mall for a law library behind razor wire.

Her only crime? Her parents, who feared her father's political affiliations endangered the family, brought her and two brothers to the United States from Bangladesh when she was 5, according to court documents.

She doesn't speak Bangla and never imagined a future without college. No one in her family realized her father's work certificate from the Labor Department didn't equate to legal immigration status.

Family members were rounded up in July 2007, treated as fugitives on a dated but active deportation order.

Her parents were deported first. Emy languished in custody while continuing her fight to stay.

But because the asylum application had been filed on behalf of the entire family, only the parents got a hearing. Emy never saw a judge, according to Emy and her attorney.

"Justice is not being served," she said from a prison pay phone.

In January, a federal appeals court denied her petition to stay in the U.S. Fearing she'd celebrate another birthday behind bars, Emy agreed to be deported and left the country Feb. 18.

Immigration law "is the only United States law where we punish the children for the actions of their parents," said Emy's attorney, Petia Vimitrova Knowles.

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Immigration violations are considered civil, something akin to a moving violation in a car, so the government can imprison immigrants without many of the rights criminals receive: No court-appointed attorney for indigent defendants, no standard habeas corpus, no protection from double jeopardy, no guarantee of a speedy trial.

"You're locking up people without even a hearing," said Rabinovitz. "That, to me, is the outrage: basic due process. Since when do we allow the government to lock up people without even giving them a bond hearing?"

Most immigrants are navigating a complex legal system without an attorney. Fifty-eight percent went through immigration proceedings without an attorney in fiscal year 2007, according to the Executive Office for Immigration Review, a branch of the U.S. Justice Department.

Those who do have an attorney have little recourse if that lawyer turns out to be incompetent. In one of his last acts as Bush administration attorney general, Michael Mukasey reversed years of precedent by ruling that immigrants, unlike criminal defendants, cannot appeal on the grounds of incompetent counsel.

The Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank that includes former officials from Republican and Democratic administrations, recently issued a study calling for numerous changes in the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees ICE, including allowing better access to legal counsel for incarcerated immigrants.

"People can be lost in that vortex, and they can be lost for years," said Donald Kerwin, who wrote the report with former INS Director Doris Meissner. "It's the reason why legal counsel is so crucial."

But, ICE officials often argue, immigrants largely hold the keys to their own freedom. If they simply agree to return to their home country, they can go, Bassett said.

"They're making a choice (that) they're going to appeal, which is their right," she said.

But even giving up, or winning a claim, doesn't always spell freedom because ICE acts as police officer, arraignment judge, jailer and prosecutor. It has sole jurisdiction over when a detained immigrant is sent back after a deportation order is issued, and can continue to hold immigrants while it appeals a decision that didn't go its way.

In 2007, an immigration judge ruled that Samuel Kambo, a former energy minister of Sierra Leone who had a master's degree and no criminal history, should be granted permanent residency after being detained for eight months. But ICE continued to hold him for four more months while it appealed. Kambo was released only after his lawyer went to federal court and made a successful constitutional challenge.

In another telling case, Ahmad Al-Shrmany, a 34-year-old Iraqi with no appeal pending, begged for a year to be deported and yet remained in detention. He wanted to be allowed to go to his native Iraq or his adopted Canada, where he had been granted asylum a decade ago. A lawyer filed a habeas corpus petition in December that went unanswered.

"Just deport me. That's your job," he said in a late January interview with the AP that ICE officials tried to block minutes before it was scheduled at a Houston lockup.

Less than a week after the interview, Al-Shrmany was deported to Canada, said his lawyer, Afreen Ahmed. Bassett said later the timing of the deportation was "completely coincidental."

In custody, Al-Shrmany had grown distraught.

"In Iraq, you can get killed one time. Here, this is not the life I was wishing for," he said from a cinderblock meeting room.

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Immigrant advocates say ICE prefers incarceration for non-criminal immigrants, even though alternatives are available, for one major reason: to strong-arm people.

"When you're there for weeks and weeks or months or months, your determination to fight your charges is reduced," said Judy Green, a policy analyst with Justice Strategies, a nonpartisan think tank on incarceration issues. The goal is "to keep intense pressure on detainees to agree to removal and not to fight on whatever grounds they have for relief."

The Rev. Raymond Soeoth, a Pentecostal minister from Indonesia who had never been imprisoned, said his lengthy incarceration _ and the uncertainty of how long it would last _ wore on him as he fought his immigration case and pursued a lawsuit accusing ICE officials of forcibly drugging him and other detainees.

"We just wait. We cannot do anything," said Soeoth, who was released after more than two years, given a special visa as part of the government's settlement of the drugging lawsuit.

ICE officials argue that immigrants won't show up to hearings, or leave when ordered out, unless they're imprisoned. About a third of released immigrants with no electronic monitoring failed to show up to immigration court proceedings in fiscal year 2007, according to the Executive Office of Immigration Review.

Bassett said the failure-to-appear rate for actual deportation jumps to 95 to 97 percent with no electronic monitoring, the main reason groups like FAIR push for more use of detention.

Still, electronic monitoring has proven effective. ICE's intensive supervision program _ which includes electronic monitoring, curfews and other probation-like provisions _ has a 99 percent appearance rate at immigration hearings and 95 percent at final order hearings, according to ICE's fact sheets. The agency says 94 percent of those allowed to remain on electronic monitoring after they've been ordered deported leave when their appeals are exhausted.

The Migration Policy Institute says the agency should use electronic monitors to replace detention of immigrants without criminal records or even those with only nonviolent records who don't pose a risk to the community.

"What you've done is you've eliminated any fear of flight. The whole rationale for detention is to keep people from absconding, and in rare cases, protect the public," Kerwin said. "Alternatives can allow you to use detention space more judiciously."

Currently, an average of 2,700 immigrants per day are on electronic monitoring in "alternative to detention" programs budgeted to accommodate 13,000 people this year.

Immigrant advocates complain the agency is using the monitors mostly to supervise people who previously would have been released on bond or on their own recognizance _ not to reduce the number of people incarcerated.

"They're not trying to reduce bed space. Their goal is to have everybody in some kind of custodial program," said Andrea Black, coordinator for the nonprofit Detention Watch Network.

America's detention system for immigrants has mushroomed in the last decade, a costly building boom that was supposed to sweep up criminals and ensure that undocumented immigrants were quickly shown t...
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- Mexitli I'm a Fan of Mexitli 10 fans permalink
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Dear Amigos,

The Catch and Detain policy of Undocs is the answer to the failed Catch and Release policy.

Former VP Cheney's buddies are the ones who made and continue to make billions off the undocumented migrant "internment camps" much the same way his buddies at Haliburton made billions off the Iraq war.

But in time even you too will realize that this will not stop our migrations. We have been migrating on this continent for twenty thousand years and we will migrate for twenty thousand more.

Regards,
Mexitli
http://aztlanista.com/post/2020s-good-fences-dont-make-good-neighbors

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 03/15/2009
- hulka37 I'm a Fan of hulka37 8 fans permalink

It's a gigantic industry paid for by China right now and generations of Americans in the future. More big government by Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 03/15/2009
- wilray I'm a Fan of wilray 72 fans permalink
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I suppose they can just push Mexican nationals across the border. But with other countries it's not so easy. In fact we are not supposed to enter their airspace without their permission. I am posting this link from a Voice of America article from April 2006. Basically, it says that refusal of foreign governments to refuse repatriation of their citizens cost U. S. Taxpayers millions. It also say that when they accept repatriation they may want something in return -- like more visas.
I guess you can see where this is going. From the day that we lock up foreign nationals until the time they are repatriated the American taxpayer is on the hook. And these foreign countries decide if and when they will repatriate their citizens.
At an average cost of over 51k per year, detaining someone can be expensive.

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2006-04/2006-04-20-voa26.cfm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 03/15/2009
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Another thing that many anti-immigrant, legal or illegal, do not realize is that the children of these immigrants that are born in the USA are totally American citizens, and their parents country does not have to let the children in. Thus, such children also en up being detained in the system after their parents get deported or detained in these Cheney and company run prison camps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 03/16/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

their parents put their kids at risk......­..anchor baby concept is done now......y­our baby can stay or your baby can go with you.......­..either way you are leaving as an illegal

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 03/16/2009

Um, you guys are not reading the article. "Undocumented Aliens" is the correct term, and being undocumented is NOT a criminal offense. I refer to the section that starts "Immigration violations are considered civil". Use of the adjective "illegal" is a propaganda ploy by misguided nationalists, who seem to forget that America is a country founded, funded, and powered, by immigrants­.This disgraceful incarceration progrom is costing us the taxpayers far more money than even those of you who (incorrectly and ignorantly) think these people are freeloading would point to as their cost. The cost of incarceration quoted in the article works out to around $55K per year. Per immigrant. Which we pay. To the prison owners. For people who mostly would otherwise be actual contributors to our economy. And even for those few who might rely on charity the load would be far less than $55K. But most are educated, many highly so, and honorable folks with a better work ethic than the kids I see emerging from our schooling system these days (I've experience of some who seem to think signing their name correctly on the first day roll call warrants an A for the course and don't turn up for any classes, then sue for that A. And win. No joke.).

Not to mention that since the failure of our economic 'leaders' we need these people working productively more than ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

illegals steal or use other people's ID Info to get work......­falsify the I-9 form......­.that indeed is criminal

nice try

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 03/15/2009

But that (falsification of ID, stealing identity) is not what they are accused of. I'll repeat - and the article explicitly bears me out - lack of documentation is NOT criminal. It is a civil offense. There is a difference. Hence the term 'illegal aliens' is incorrect. It is also well established that most undocumented aliens are net contributors to our economy, and few of them take advantage of the pitiful welfare this country offers for fear of being taken for deportation and then lost in this ex-officio prison system.

The key disgrace is that these people are being incarcerated not for committing a crime (see above, it's a CIVIL offense) but for not having the correct pieces of paper, and then basically left to rot while the prison industry collects our taxes for their head-count. There are well-proven far cheaper alternatives to ensuring their attendance in court when called. And the Constitution guarantees all people in the USA the benefits of the Amendments etc, not just Citizens. Don't forget, what you consider proper treatment for them could well become proper treatment for you should you forget to get a piece of paper signed, or not know such a piece of paper exists in the first place. Think about it. That's what a police state does. If you want this harsh and arbitrary treatment for these people, then expect to be subject to the same treatment yourself some day. All it takes is for people to not object.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 03/16/2009
- SonnyBono I'm a Fan of SonnyBono 21 fans permalink

Attn GrayGaffer - "Undocumented Aliens" - why you make it sound like the guy left his ID, visa, passport and other papers at home in his other suit and we both know that is NOT the case. The correct term is Illegal Immigrants because they are breaking the law when they cross the border without a visa or overstay a tourist visa or walk across the desert from Mexico. That is a crime and that is why ICE is supposed to round them up and send them home.

They are taking jobs from Americans and immigrants who are here legally and they depress the wages of all in their community. They are willing to work for less because they do not have withholding or all the other tax stuff. If you appreciate their industry so much - give them your job and leave the rest of us in peace.

I assume that you are a teacher so I would also assume that you have access to a library - do a little research and avoid the knee jerk reaction that this country was founded by immigrants so we should continue to let anyone and everyone in - Conditions in the early 21st Century are very different from the mid 19th and early 20th Centuries when the US had massive immigration. The nation had a far smaller population then and still largely agrarian - the US could readily absorb the influx but look around, this country has over 300 million people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

and did not have at that time a welfare system or free health care either

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 03/15/2009

Maybe you should go look at the "facts" instead of listening to Lou Dobbs. Firstly, the "they break the law" argument is a horrible argument. You know what else is breaking the law? Smoking weed, underage drinking, and J-walking. Maybe we should lock those people up indefinitely as well? Secondly, they are not "taking our jobs". That is merely a claim people uneducated about the topic use to scare others into hating immigrants. Besides, even if they were, which they are not, part of the whole free trade nafta thing is about labor, not just products. Lastly, not only was the country founded by immigrants, but the country was founded by people that stole land from other people. Don't forget about that. We created this idea of property and imposed it on a native people with our laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 03/16/2009

The U.S. economy and culture can READILY/FA­CILEY/what­ever....DO WITHOUT ANY putative "contribution" from the hordes of Third World job-seekers, WHO ARE MERELY THE DEMOGRAPHIC EXCESS of cultures that pointedly REFUSE to countenance BIRTH CONTROL, fertility control, population control!

MOST are uneducated{} and are an automatic drain on the "social services" of the U.S. to which they are not--or should not--have access. If they appear to work hard, it is because they support LARGE families both in the U.S. and in their sending countries.

Plainly "GRAY GAFFER" enjoys the self-assumed role of PADRONE as a function of being able to hire from a subservient and WILLING "coolie cohort."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

how are they working...­....with what documents did they fill out the I-9.......­.a crime as all employers sign the bottom of the form stating the following.

CERTIFICATION - I attest, under penalty of perjury, that I have examined the document(s) presented by the above-named employee, that the above-listed document(s) appear to be genuine and to relate to the employee named, that the employee began employment on___________and that to the best of my knowledge the employee is eligible to work in the United States. "

and

"l attest, under penalty of perjury, that to the best of my knowledge, this employee is eligible to work in the United States, and if the employee presented document(s), the document(s) l have examined appear to be genuine and to relate to the individual­."

and all EMPs sign the following:
"I attest, under penalty of perjury, that I have assisted in the completion of this form and that to the best of my knowledge the information is true and correct."

perjury is a crime.....­.....falsi­fying documents is a crime.....­...using fake documents is a crime.....­..if they have not broken any of these laws......­..they are not paying taxes then......­again a crime.....­....so if they work in this country they are criminals.­.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 03/16/2009
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It's a bloody shame...di­sgrace!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 03/15/2009
- Mabo I'm a Fan of Mabo 13 fans permalink
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If those immigrants were illegal...­that is where their criminal record started. Too bad they chose the illegal way to get into (or stay) our country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 03/15/2009
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You did NOT read the article. Most of these people being detained started out as legal immigrants. However, due to paperwork issues or minor offenses, like traffic violations, they end up in these prison camps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 03/16/2009

I don't buy it. Personal experience tells me that there are things missing from the story, since mere traffic violations are not grounds for deportation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 AM on 03/16/2009
- wilray I'm a Fan of wilray 72 fans permalink
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The detention centers are private for profit facilities. They have no interest in actually deporting anyone. They maximize their profits by keeping the most bodies for the most amount of time. I have friend from a small East European country who was picked up mid April last year. Even though he decided not to fight deportation, the authorities dragged their heels until September. If he chose to fight deportation, he would still be at the facility today.
Also, no one gets deported unless they find a country that will take them. If it's not their native country, the detainee must agree to the other country. The accepting country may require payment to accept the detainee even if it's their own citizen. I had heard of one country requiring a payment of 100k per detainee. Just think of it - a million dollars to repatriate 10 citizens back to their own country, plus the cost of airfare and an escort. The cost of repatriation is not cheap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 03/15/2009

There are other problems in respect to how immigrants are treated and how the US government deals with countries of origin. I am a US citizen, living in a Caribbean island and time and again we have reprots of someone being deported from the US who was born here went to the US as a child, grew up in the US and has a nervous breakdown or some mental disease, might or might not have committed a crime in the US and is deported back here. These people generally have no understanding of this society, no connetion here, except for being their place of birth. They are deported here, are like fish out of water and sooner or later committ a major crime. One psycotic man who was deported back here, beheaded a woman in the main square , in full view of scores of people. He has just been, not surprisingly, sentenced to death. The authorities here have no idea or resources to deal with him, so execution is their only solution.
There have been similar cases.
In my opinion, the Caribbean islands need to take these issues to the UN to get the US to change the way it handles these problems of people who for all purposes are US citizens. They arrive in the US as children spend 30, 40, 50 years in the US, suffer mental disease and then are deported out of the only country they know. It is inhumane and needs to stop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 03/15/2009
- SonnyBono I'm a Fan of SonnyBono 21 fans permalink

So a child gets to the US illegally - how did that happen? In most cases, the parents took that child and the rest of the family ILLEGALLY into the United States - the US is at fault when it allows this to happen BUT the parents are the ones that committed the crime and should be held responsible for taking the child into another country.

When I hear of a child now a teenager or young adult who is being deported after being in the US for X number of years illegally - I feel badly but only for a moment because they should not have been here in the first place. Don't talk to the UN - talk to the parents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

well said

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 03/16/2009
- ktal I'm a Fan of ktal permalink

The level of vindictiveness displayed here makes me sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 03/16/2009

Spare us the sob story! These people are ILLEGAL, remain ILLEGAL, and would NEVER have been admitted through ANY LEGAL PROCESS! In short they were NEVER GOOD ENOUGH!!!

Hang 'em high!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

laughing..­.......goo­d one

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 03/16/2009
- guajiro I'm a Fan of guajiro 63 fans permalink

of those imprisoned, I wonder how many were Canadians. If the former INS, now called ICE, were not derelict in their duties, the jails would be crowded with Canadians. Thousands of them travel to the southern parts of the U.S. , places like south Texas, south Arizona, south New Mexico, Florida, etc, to spend their time basking in the warm weather of these locations as opposed to spending their times in freezing weather in Canada. I have yet to see a single ICE or border patrol vehicle or agent of any kind visiting these "Winter Tourist" hot spots looking for these "illegal aliens" from Canada of which there are thousands. I would definitely fire the head of ICE and disband this group for profiling their targets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 03/15/2009
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Yes, Canadians are such a threat to America. They are invading everywhere. Run for the hills! :-|

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 03/15/2009
- SonnyBono I'm a Fan of SonnyBono 21 fans permalink

Those Canadians coming south are called "Snow Birds" and I would venture to guess that they are here on temporary tourist visas and plan to return back to Canada when the weather improves. Have you ever been in Canada during the winter? It is freaking cold.

Besides most Canadians want to go home - there is far less violence and they have health insurance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 03/15/2009

Canadians don't need a visa to enter the U.S.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 03/16/2009
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America is a cruel country.
It promotes the American dream all over the world and when people take a bite of that poisonous apple they put them in gaol and treat them like criminals.­...
More Americans should go abroad, they might have a more compassionate perspective towards illegals..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 03/15/2009
- Mikeeee I'm a Fan of Mikeeee 65 fans permalink

That would be enlightenment and most Americans like wdw505 are lacking courage; very fearful or timid. Look it up.
It's sad really that a country as great as the US, built by men of courage and generosity has been reduced to what it has become, mean spirited and frightened.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 03/15/2009
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You can thank the former President for that. Bush deserves the contempt of the nation not any praise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 03/15/2009
- SonnyBono I'm a Fan of SonnyBono 21 fans permalink

You don't have to go far to see how other countries treat illegal immigrants - check out Mexico - Illegals from their south of the border are rounded up - usually by the military and shipped out of the country - no trials, no hearing, just gone. They are also robbed by criminal gangs and/or the police. When a Mexican national complains about how the US treats illegals (I'm not suggesting that you are either Mexican or illegal) my response is how does Mexico treat people in their country who have not established any right to be there.

If you want to buy into the American dream - go to the US embassy and stand in line, apply for a visa and come here LEGALLY - if you don't, then you run the risk that the guys from ICE will pick you up and put your butt in jail - because the term "Illegal Immigration" clearly indicates that you have broken the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

i agree

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 03/16/2009
- Areyoume2 I'm a Fan of Areyoume2 16 fans permalink

I'm disappointed that the 'come hither' pic used to lure readers into this article was that of an exotic and attractive looking young woman. She and many thousands of others (most of whom are not nearly as attractive) are being denied American justice. Time we got past the shallow and exotic. There are children being torn apart from families. Time we honestly evaluate and admit to the many shortcomings in our methods of immigration, including the mixed signals we've sent abroad, as well as lax prosecution in years past. Many have been enticed to overstay their visas. The spin machine of the last administration brought the wrath of the Almighty down on these unsuspecting heads; and now they live in a very depressing limbo which is decidedly unAmerican.

A change of undies is often not even provided because a driving force is making money from them and also pushing them back home on their own stink. Most are caught between here and their own homelands. Many have been here long years. A friend of mine has recently been taken by ICE. He's been here 10 years (originally legally) and tried doing everything by the book. Much paperwork later, he was grabbed by ICE (two months ago); he worked, paid taxes, always reported his whereabouts. He is legally married to my close friend for five years. He's one of the finest people I know. America would benefit by allowing him and many (who've done nothing wrong) to stay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 03/15/2009
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 565 fans permalink
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Bush invented a war, brought Al Qaeda to Iraq, strengthened Iran and created even more terrorists at GITMO. Meanwhile, he ignored Afghanistan, allowing for the Taliban to resurface and Al Qaeda to find refuge there - he ignored the Middle East, allowing hostilities to fester and grow leading to the Iraqi attack on the Palestinian territory. And this is just what he did abroad ...

I haven't even gotten to Katrina!

What exactly did Bush DO to keep America safe??? Since it's been determined that the 911 attack took up to ten years to plan and execute, I have a feeling that Bush just got lucky!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

landlords should have to use e verify and all employers too.......­any police interaction should check the status of anyone....­..as a person is being release from prison check the status....­...then turn the illegal over for ejection

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 03/15/2009
- jweider I'm a Fan of jweider 30 fans permalink
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I've been advocating that for a while. No housing. No Job. No Drivers License. The illegals will deport themselves and the problem will be solved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 03/15/2009
- Keurgui I'm a Fan of Keurgui 5 fans permalink

u need to get out of this country. travel around the world and you will feel much better. you have some real issue with yourself. worst case go visit a psychiatric hospital. u really do need help. seriously!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

laughing at you now.......­i do travel....­.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 03/15/2009
- RachelMc I'm a Fan of RachelMc 72 fans permalink
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y do they need help? because u said so?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

gee, has there ever been an illegal that did any crime.....­....yes...­....proof enough....­....just one......i don't care......­.catch and release in their own country...­.....even if it is speeding that caught them......­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 03/15/2009
- hamchunk I'm a Fan of hamchunk 20 fans permalink

They keep saying that illegals have no criminal record, yet they blatantly break our laws and work with forged/ fake documents. Saying they have no record is like saying Ted Bundy did not have a record so he couldn't have been so bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 03/15/2009

You see the flaw in your logic is that many of these people were brought to the country by their parents when they were kids and truly are not at fault. Its like saying that a 5 year old or even a 10 year that was forced by their parent to steal from a store is responsible for their actions. We do not prosecute or blame the children for the actions of their parents.
See, all they know is America, and american culture. They dont have links and sometimes dont really know the language in their native country so sending them back is cruel. Can you imagine being forced from America to germany, if you dont know anyone there or even know german. It would be a horrible ordeal. So, the important thing here is compassion for the children

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

how are they working...­....with what documents did they fill out the I-9.......­.a crime as all employers sign the bottom of the form stating the following.

CERTIFICATION - I attest, under penalty of perjury, that I have examined the document(s) presented by the above-named employee, that the above-listed document(s) appear to be genuine and to relate to the employee named, that the employee began employment on___________and that to the best of my knowledge the employee is eligible to work in the United States. "

and

"l attest, under penalty of perjury, that to the best of my knowledge, this employee is eligible to work in the United States, and if the employee presented document(s), the document(s) l have examined appear to be genuine and to relate to the individual­."

and all EMPs sign the following:
"I attest, under penalty of perjury, that I have assisted in the completion of this form and that to the best of my knowledge the information is true and correct."

perjury is a crime.....­.....falsi­fying documents is a crime.....­...using fake documents is a crime.....­..if they have not broken any of these laws......­..they are not paying taxes then......­again a crime.....­....so if they work in this country they are criminals.­.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 03/15/2009
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Man, this is absolutely abusive conduct by the ICE. It puts a premium on convenience and compliance which I don't believe have anything to do with universal human rights. Either deport, arrest on charge, or let live free. If someone is a credible danger to our society (convicted violent offender or legitimate terror risk) then toss them out, but incarcerating innocent people for reasons of expediency is un-American.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 03/15/2009
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I would agree to a point. If ICE finds the immigrant to be a criminal send them back home asap. If a person is here purely out of wanting to have a better life, I think ICE should give the person a chance to prove him/herself. A financial penalty for coming here illegally would be in order though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

yes, they lost the money they have here......­...and any assets are forfeited.­........th­en send them home penalty has been given

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 03/15/2009
- hamchunk I'm a Fan of hamchunk 20 fans permalink

So, by your logic, if I knock over a liquor store, all is alright because I am just trying to attain a better life. Is that right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 03/15/2009
- wdw505 I'm a Fan of wdw505 69 fans permalink

cross the border illegally or without permission you have broken the law.......­.note: the phrase "illegal alien" is denoting a law that has been broken

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 03/15/2009
- dawp I'm a Fan of dawp permalink

Only problem with that, as stated in the article, is that a large chunk of the detainees aren't illegals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 03/15/2009
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