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Barney Frank On AIG: "Maybe It's Time To Fire Some People"

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First Posted: 04/16/09 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 02:10 PM ET

WASHINGTON — Rep. Barney Frank charged Monday that a decision by financially strapped insurance giant AIG to pay millions in executive bonuses amounts to "rewarding incompetence."

Echoing outrage expressed on both sides of the political aisle in the wake of revelations that American International Group will pay roughly $165 million in bonuses, Frank said he believes it's time to shake up the company.

"These people may have a right to their bonuses. They don't have a right to their jobs forever," said Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat who is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.

Appearing on NBC's "Today" show, Frank noted that the Federal Reserve Board, using a Depression-era statute, was the institution that gave AIG its initial government bailout, before Congress passed legislation providing for additional assistance. He said he did not think sufficient safeguards were built into that initial bailout by the Fed.

The $165 million was payable to executives by Sunday and was part of a larger total payout reportedly valued at $450 million. The company has benefited from more than $170 billion in a federal rescue.

AIG reported this month that it had lost $61.7 billion for the fourth quarter of last year, the largest corporate loss in history. The bulk of the payments at issue cover AIG Financial Products, the unit of the company that sold credit default swaps, the risky contracts that caused massive losses for the insurer.

It also was revealed over the weekend that American International Group Inc. used more than $90 billion in federal aid to pay out foreign and domestic banks, some of whom had received their own multibillion-dollar U.S. government bailouts.

Some of the biggest recipients of the AIG money were Goldman Sachs at $12.9 billion, and three European banks _ France's Societe Generale at $11.9 billion, Germany's Deutsche Bank at $11.8 billion, and Britain's Barclays PLC at $8.5 billion. Merrill Lynch, which also is undergoing federal scrutiny of its bonus plans, received $6.8 billion as of Dec. 31.

The money went to banks to cover their losses on complex mortgage investments, as well as for collateral needed for other transactions.

On ABC's "Good Morning America" Monday, Sen. Richard Shelby said Congress must do everything it can to make sure the government money going to AIG is handled appropriately.

"We ought to explore everything that we can through the government to make sure that this money is not wasted," the Alabama Republican said. "These people brought this on themselves. Now you're rewarding failure. A lot of these people should be fired, not awarded bonuses. This is horrible. It's outrageous."

Frank said he was disgusted, asserting that "these bonuses are going to people who screwed this thing up enormously."

"Maybe it's time to fire some people," he said. "We can't keep them from getting bonuses but we can keep them from having their jobs. ... In high school, they wouldn't have gotten retention (bonuses), they would have gotten detention."

AIG has agreed to Obama administration requests to restrain future payments. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner pressed the president's case with AIG's chairman, Edward Liddy, last week.

"He stepped in and berated them, got them to reduce the bonuses following every legal means he has to do this," said Austan Goolsbee, staff director of President Barack Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board.

Lawrence Summers, a leading Obama economic adviser, said Sunday that Geithner had used all his power, "both legal and moral, to reduce the level of these bonus payments."

In an interview that aired Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes," Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke did not address the bonuses but expressed his frustration with the AIG intervention.

"It makes me angry. I slammed the phone more than a few times on discussing AIG," Bernanke said. "It's _ it's just absolutely _ I understand why the American people are angry."

In a letter to Geithner dated Saturday, Liddy said outside lawyers had informed the company that AIG had contractual obligations to make the bonus payments and could face lawsuits if it did not do so.

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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
07:07 AM on 04/04/2009
OBAMA is AFRAID to fire the Wall Street Bank CEOs because THEY:

1. Hide the SIZE of the Problem from America and we are TOO WEAK to Accept it!
2. Hide the DEATH of the Criminal Activity by the Executives and Employees!
3. Hide the Embarrassment that WS Banks were SO CALCULATEDLY CORRUPT from the World!
4. Hide the Moral Crisis of a FEW Hundred People! The Elite!
5. Hide the Corruption of the Administration in doing a COVER-UP!

But the Obama Administration is Violating OUR LAWS:

1. Prompt Corrective Action Laws
2. Our Ability Already exists to Take Them Through Bankruptcy
3. Misrepresentation of Products and Services
4. Creative Proactive Insider Trading

See William K. Black on Bill Moyers: Goldman Sachs and Elites are running the FED!
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
See Brooksly Borne:
http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2009/marapr/features/born.html
See Welcome to Wall Street Jungle: Case for indicting executive leadership of Goldman Sachs:
http://futurenewstoday.blogspot.com/2009/03/welcome-to-wall-st-jungle.html

It is Not to late to fire these Corrupt People and Start the Fact Finding and clean up this Mess Quickly! America Loves to get behind the Moral High Ground and can face the HARD FACTS!

Start with Investigating Fuld, Lewis, Dimon, Blankfein!
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
07:26 AM on 03/23/2009
NOT "1" Goldman/Big Bank Executive has been Fired, Fined, Investigated, or Prosecuted for:

1. Manufacture/Sell of "Sure Fail" Mortgages or buy from a broker!
2. Make a "SURE FAIL" Derivative out of parts of a bunch of "SURE FAIL" Mortgages!
3. Buy AIG insurance: Bet Repeatedly and Massively that defective product will FAIL!
4. Wait and Collect the Insurance on the FAILURE!

Not only is this a form of "Generated Insider Trading" but it violates the Laws governing Defective Products.

DEFECTIVE PRODUCT - A product is unreasonably dangerous to the user, when it has a propensity for causing harm beyond that which would be contemplated by the ordinary user having knowledge of the product's use.

Product liability law governs the manufacturers and sellers for damages caused by dangerous products. The goal of laws are to help protect consumers from dangerous products, while holding manufacturers and sellers responsible for putting into the marketplace products that they knew or should have known were dangerous. Product liability extends to defects in real estate loans.

GROUNDS for Prosecution:

Product is dangerous when used as intended.

Manufacturer: required to make a product which is free from dangerous conditions.

Marketing Defects: A marketing defect involves such issues as inadequate warning labels or instructions, which, for example, prevent a user from recognizing a defect in the product, or from being aware of how to safely use or apply the product.
03:06 PM on 03/18/2009
It's time to fire Barney Frank. His subvesion helped create the biggest meltdown in our economy since the Great Depression. Now he wants to go after employees of AIG accused of receiving bonues that were inappropriate. Compare to Barney Frank, these employees are pimples on the arse of the real cronies. And Barney is one of the ring leaders. Let's focus our outrage where it belongs. It's time to oust Barney Frank.
12:59 PM on 03/18/2009
It absolutely is time to fire some people. And Barney Frank should be the first to go.

The next ones to go should be those that didn't bother to note that AIG disclosed that they had these contractual "retention bonuses" to be paid, and would pay them according to the contract, and noted it BEFORE RECEIVING THE BAILOUT MONEY.

All this huffing and puffing now by Mr. Frank and others is absolutely hogwash. They were told beforehand these bonuses would be paid. Then they gave a bunch of money to AIG. Then AIG paid the bonuses as they said they would.

The point here is not to excuse AIG for being scoundrels. It appears they are. The point is those scoundrels should've been left to make it or break it on their own. Government shouldn't have bailed them out in the first place. But if government IS going to bail them out, and do it after being told beforehand that money would be going to bonuses, then to act so surprised and offended when AIG did what they said they'd do is just pathetic.

Our Congress is like a team that just lost a game to a team that is not only really crappy, but also gave Congress their playbook before the game started. Our "leaders" are absolutely pathetic. All they're doing now is trying to deflect blame for their own incompetence.
11:06 PM on 03/17/2009
We could always guillotine these AIG employees!
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SILVANUS
Moving to Italy indefinitely. God Bless All.
02:31 PM on 03/17/2009
Barney... darling...pal... maybe it's time to ARREST, IMPRISON and RECOUP.

Don't mince words. We are sick of vampires, whether they are making up nonsense terms to sell Finance or whether it is BigPharmaMed 'advertising' and validating new 'medical conditions' with the help of the Nightly News.. and, oh!, here's the #120 pill, by the way!.

Read more about Wall Street vampirism and the semantics of bloodsuckers

http://www.tribalmedia.blogspot.com/
10:28 AM on 03/17/2009
> In a letter to Geithner dated Saturday, Liddy said outside lawyers had informed
> the company that AIG had contractual obligations to make the bonus payments
> and could face lawsuits if it did not do so.

Oooooh, I'm so SCARED! Not a LAWSUIT! Just wait until those lawsuits get in front of a jury. It'll be a wee bit difficult to explain to a jury of average Americans how you deserve to be paid a million dollar bonus even though you killed your company and almost collapsed the world economic system. Bring it on!
11:04 PM on 03/17/2009
Let these AIG miscreants try to sue.
09:39 AM on 03/17/2009
I think Frank is a nut case that is on the take. After his work in supporting the corrupt Fannie and Freddie and saying a month before its complete collapse that things were never better after 20 years of using it as a slush fund, his blow hard words mean nothing. He should perform research before opening his mouth and misrepresenting the situation.
08:15 PM on 03/17/2009
And I would take it a step further; he is culpable in all of this. Hypocrisy at its best. This guy needs to go. I can't believe he thinks we haven't put the pieces together. He helped get those companies to extend loans to people who couldn't repay them, and he won't ever say he had anything to do with it. I'm with you Harrier.
11:05 PM on 03/17/2009
I bet Harrier works for AIG...
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ibsteve2u
Someone who cares - to his unending regret
06:03 AM on 03/17/2009
The thing is, these boyz sat at the middle of things - right there where the real numbers were - for decades.

There is no doubt in my mind that they started making escape plans (read, moving large sums of money outside of the reach of the U.S. government) when they saw how close to the edge their corruption was pushing the economy.

Firing them would be about as effective as throwing water at a fish. Put them in prison.
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DickClark
09:15 AM on 03/17/2009
Any company that is too big to fail is too big to exist........

Begin anti-trust proceedings IMMEDIATELY.

Two or three smaller companies will NOT disrupt the world economy.....so ignore the
idea that breaking up AIG should not be done.
08:17 PM on 03/17/2009
I agree completely but AIG has Congress scared to death about "too big to fail." Why can we see this and they can't? What's wrong with these elected officials? They are more gullible than an average person. Never seen so many with no backbone. Reorganize AIG, at least we won't have to bail them out anymore and that would be a tremendous savings. If not, Congress will continue to save them; they can't help themselves. Shoot, save ME !
01:01 PM on 03/18/2009
A-FREAKING-MEN!
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duze
05:03 AM on 03/17/2009
Fire someboy don't make me laugh! Althugh if they would this type of public abuse would stop. Trouble s there are no consequences.
02:01 AM on 03/17/2009
How bloody greedy can people be! Oink, oink. The poor Americans - they just cannot get it right and the whole world is laughing their collective heads off at the stupidity of a once world power. They've dug themselves into a hole from which they'll never extricate themselves. Pity.
Oh yes, this also proves just how bad their education system is. There's hope if Obama can fund more education packages. Of course, the Repugnants will probably vote against education reforms because they want to keep the people dumb. That party should be charged with high treason.
08:23 PM on 03/17/2009
I agree with the fact that many countries think we are bozos. France, Spain and Germany have already said so. But I want to say something about the "Repugs" voting against education reforms. Please take a look at what is happening at the school systems in Michigan. They are failing big time; only 5% even pass math or reading and the Dems have pumped money into these schools. Obama wants to pump more money into them. The teachers are saying the problem is not money, it is morals and the families from which these kids come from have none. So the root problem is greater than "education funds." The "repugs" as you call them don't want people dumb, they want money used appropriately. One more is the Dems killed the Washington DC school voucher program last week whereby low-income kids got vouchers ($7500 worth) to attend private school. The Dems killed that program. A young black girl was interviewed because she has to leave the school now until her mom can get a 3rd job. Why on earth did the Dems vote to kill that program? Those poor kids. Go ahead and blame the Repugs for everything, but take a look at how your liberal people are taking away education from their own. I'm stupified over this terrible move.
07:39 PM on 03/18/2009
YOu are so right. What education needs is competition. We educate our kids with a monopoly. It like saying to someone come to America but you have to drive only a Ford product. We dont allow any competition to Ford. You also have to shop at Target. We dont allow anyone to compete with Target. How stupid can that be. Monopoly brings out the worst in people. Competition brings out the best in people. So we put our kids into a dumb monopoly system and then wonder why they come out with a 4th grade education. Piful. Democrats dont believe in competition. they only believe in Unions and the Teachers Unions owns any Democrat in Congress for sure.
01:44 AM on 03/17/2009
Got to:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/03/why-was-aigs-stock-up-66-today.html

An article on AIG STOCK ROSE TODAY 22%!!!!! Other Financial stocks rose as well!! The article states why the market liked the public outrage.

Ask yourself: Why is this AIG bonus story news? It was announced in January. Ask yourself: if this had the possibility of becoming the firestorm it did, why did sophisticated corporate actors allow it to go public? Why not deal with it many different ways -- all of which are viable and possible. A story going public is not necessary and can certainly be avoided. In this case the story did not get traction weeks ago and suddenly out of nowhere did.

WE ARE BEING PLAYED!!!!

They're just making money off of us five ways to Sunday. They do this because they can!
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anothervoice2
332 electoral votes is a mandate
12:40 AM on 03/17/2009
Barney Frank should top going on TV and rebuking WS firms. He should write and push sound legislation. The WSJ reports that WS firms are figuring out new ways to circumvent the pay limits in the new TARP bill:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123724826580949187.html#mod=testMod

Barney Frank and Congress need to fix the loopholes. Not a single dime of more bailout money to be issued until the pay limits legal language are "iron clad" - like the AIG contracts supposedly were.
12:40 AM on 03/17/2009
Barney Frank is the one who should be fired. Come on people of MA WTFU! Boot Chris Dodd while your at it--he has his fingerprints all over this as well.
12:13 AM on 03/17/2009
according to Rush and the intelligent public... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwVWXN0Pyq4