Medicare Advantage Sellers Trick Elderly Into Giving Up Benefits

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First Posted: 03-16-09 03:26 PM   |   Updated: 04-16-09 05:12 AM

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Curtis Smith is retired, but his body doesn't know it yet. The 72-year-old's eyes still pop open at five a.m. every morning, just as they did for decades. With no job to go to, he lays there.

"You're in the bed; you can't rest. You just lay there. And when it's time for me to go to work I get up and wander around like somebody lost, wanting to go," he says.

The rest of the day is just as empty. "Man, it's miserable," he says. "Television. Walk from room to room. It's too dangerous in Washington to do much walking around, especially old people. You walk around the street--you may come back, you may not. You know how this District is," says the longtime resident of Anacostia, a neighborhood south of the river in Washington, D.C.

The tedium was broken one morning this summer when a young woman knocked on his door. His wife told him not to answer. Nothing good could come from it.

"Most time she's right, I have to give her credit," he says. "If I'd have listened to what she said, I wouldn't be in the predicament I'm in now."

The next time Smith went to his pharmacy, he was told he was no longer covered. When he went to Howard University Hospital for a colon cancer procedure, he was told the same thing. His wife sent him to the local Legal Aid Society of the District of Columbia.

The woman who'd knocked was a sales rep from EverCare ("We care about healthcare"), a company that sells Medicare Advantage plans, which are privately run and can be more expansive - with vision and dental coverage - but have a smaller network of providers that participate. In practice, the extra vision and dental coverage is often of negligible benefit and doesn't outweigh what's lost by leaving traditional Medicare - but it looks good at first.

The sales rep told him her plan would be cheaper and would provide vision coverage, something Smith, whose eyes are deteriorating, had wanted. "She told me to sign it. It was a piece of paper just like one of these right here," says Smith, who can't read well. "A big piece of paper. And she had read me something about the benefits being better and cheaper and I signed it." (An EverCare spokesman said he couldn't comment on any specific case.)

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If you or someone in your family have been tricked into joining a Medicare Advantage plan, send your story to submissions+medicare@huffingtonpost.com.

Medicare Advantage plans have long been targeted by Democrats, who argue that deceptive marketing practices trick patients into shoddy coverage that the government overpays for. The insurers don't explain what the holes in the benefits are or that they may no longer be able to go to their same doctor, pharmacy or hospital. But with Bush in the White House, the plans were safe.

On average, the government pays about 14 percent more for a Medicare Advantage plan than a regular Medicare plan. Obama hopes to wring billions in savings by reducing that premium. He'll then reinvest the savings - an estimated $177 billion over ten years -- in his push for universal healthcare. The plans cover some 11 million patients. The news that the profitable plans were under fire sent health insurance stocks tumbling.

On Tuesday, Office of Management and Budget chief Peter Orszag told a gathering of AHIP (the lobby for America's Health Insurance Plans) that the administration was set on cutting the program. "It won't be popular," Orszag told the insurers. And indeed it wasn't. A low level murmur and discontented rustling interrupted the otherwise polite meeting.

"Good thing there aren't tomatoes on the table," said an attendee sitting next to the Huffington Post.

But Orszag, who's leading Obama's healthcare reform effort, didn't back down. "Evidence suggests that each dollar provided under Medicare Advantage costs the government a dollar thirty in costs," he said. "I believe in competition. I don't believe in paying a dollar thirty to get a dollar."

Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for AHIP, said that Obama's cuts will mean less coverage for seniors. "We commend the president for prioritizing healthcare reform and for setting aside the resources that are needed. Unfortunately, the budget proposal would rely on seniors and Medicare Advantage to fund a disproportionate share of those costs," he said. "We believe that the entire Medicare program, including Medicare Advantage, needs to be looked at in the context of comprehensive healthcare reform."

The administration is not calling for an end to the plans, but rather that they be required to bid for the premium instead of simply being handed it. Reducing the premium could also reduce the fraud. Take the example of Curtis Smith: an elderly patient on a fixed income getting cancer treatments isn't any insurers idea of an ideal customer. But agents who sign patients up are generally paid a commission up front, so there's little incentive for them to do a longterm cost-benefit analysis. Once companies start doing that calculation under the new, reduced premium, tricking sick, old people into signing away their Medicare plan will be less profitable.

Instead, they'll likely do more of what Bill Vaughan found in February in Pinellas County, Florida. Vaughan, a former healthcare staffer with Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) who's now with the Consumers Union, was on vacation and undertook a personal project. He noticed that Medicare Advantage companies were scheduling a number of meetings throughout the county in disproportionately wealthy and predominantly white areas. Unlike individual agents, the companies themselves have an incentive to sign up wealthier patients, who tend to be healthier on average.

Vaughan analyzed 70 meetings and found only six were in a census tract with a below average percentage of whites or above average percentage of African Americans. Twenty-five of the 70 were in areas with a below-average income. Vaughan called it "a classic case of skimming or seeking out healthier than average people."

"Medicare Advantage plans go out of their way to target patients with chronic conditions," countered Zerkelbach.

It was a moot point for Smith; he didn't stay on EverCare's rolls for long. Smith had two things most victims of such policy-switches don't: access to free legal help in his neighborhood and a wife smart enough to tell him to use it. His attorney at Legal Aid, Jennifer Hatton, pressed the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) to rescind his enrollment in the Medicare Advantage plan, arguing that it was done fraudulently and was therefore illegitimate. CMS has long battled with shady marketing practices employed by Medicare Advantage companies. The agency has increasingly tightened what they're legally allowed to do, but policing against all situations like Smith's is a practical impossibility.

In late February, CMS apparently agreed that Smith had been enrolled under illegitimate circumstances. (The agency didn't return a call for comment.) CMS, as a result, agreed to retroactively disenroll him from EverCare and re-enroll him in traditional Medicare.

Arthur Delaney contributed reporting to this story.

Curtis Smith is retired, but his body doesn't know it yet. The 72-year-old's eyes still pop open at five a.m. every morning, just as they did for decades. With no job to go to, he lays there. "You're...
Curtis Smith is retired, but his body doesn't know it yet. The 72-year-old's eyes still pop open at five a.m. every morning, just as they did for decades. With no job to go to, he lays there. "You're...
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- marthlois I'm a Fan of marthlois 27 fans permalink

From my experience, seniors are being terrorized by their fears of medicare being pulled from them. I watched my 95-yr old Mom say to me "but you do not understand - I got a call.....I know that my medicare and my social security will be taken away". STOP preying on these patriotic citizens who have paid their dues, beyond that which they never dreamed they would ever have to". I was traumatized to see my Mom go through this - no matter how hard I'd try to console her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 03/17/2009
- indi1216 I'm a Fan of indi1216 8 fans permalink
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what about AARP....does anybody know anything about AARP secure horizon with United Healthcare, my parents just switch from the medicare provided by the govt to the private insurers. Does Anybody know?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 03/17/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 70 fans permalink

I DO NOT recommend the Medicare Advantage Plans.

I recommend keeping the Original Medicare Government Plan outlined below:
1. Original Medicare A = For Hospital care
2. Medicare B = For Doctors Visits
3. Medi-gap also known as a Supplement (There are Supplement Plans ranging from letters A through L) Plan "J" is the most comprehensive. I think "J" is needed because Medicare part A and Part B only covers 80% of most charges and there is also a deductable of over $1,000 for Part A and $135 for Part B (these aren't one time charges, if you go into the hospital multiple times within a certain time frame you will have to pay the deductable again) The "J" covers most of the out of pocket cost that Medicare parts A and B doesn't cover.
4. Perscription Part D - For Perscriptions, It is important to select a plans that covers your perscriptions.
These Plans have a $2700 cap with a gap and then resume after you have paid $4350 out of pocket for your medication. If your medication is expensive you will reach your cap of $2,700 quickly, and then you will have to pay for your medication at full price until you have paid out of pocket $4350. These caps are set by the Government (I hope President Obama changes this). This is the point when Seniors go broke or and have to choose between food and medication

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 03/17/2009
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I have been told by Today's Options that whatever doctor, clinic or hospital accepts Medicare, legally they must accept Medicare Advantage.
The story of the woman having to leave one hospital to go to a neighboring one sounds fishy. But, maybe Medicare and Advantage depend on where you live or get sick more than anything else.
3. Medicare Advantage, as it is written now, is TEMPORARY. I am hoping this Plan works out for me at least until November when the new sign up period begins. Or until the government makes intolerable changes in the terms.
If I find I have made a poor decision then when the new sign up period comes I can return to Original Medicare, which covers only 80% of general medical care anyway.
4. Medical care plans for elders and disabled is going to be increasingly complicated as time goes on.
5. My Advice: Pay Attention and Stay Tuned life is changing fast.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 03/17/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 70 fans permalink

I ran out of space in my first response, but the plan you asked about I believe have a $325 a day copay for hospital stays for the first 1 thru 11 days. from the 12 thru 90 days the copay is 0. The thing about this is most hospital stays are one week or less. Eleven days at $325 = $3575 and if you have multiple stays in the hospital you have to pay the same copay again and again. The Insurance companies package the Advantage Plans really cute, but when you really look at the details they are very ugly.

Go to www.medicare.gov this is the official Government Medicare website. If clicking on this link doesn't bring up the site, type it into your search engine. The site is very helpful. There is a booklet titled "Medicare and You 2009" that is very helpful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 03/17/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 70 fans permalink

The plan you mentioned isn't good if you have to go into the hospital. I believe there is a $325 a day copay for the first 11 day of a hospital stay. Most hospital stays are one week or less and if you have multiple stays in the hospital you would have to pay the copay over and over. also, if you require home care after a hospital say you have a $110 per day for the first 26 days. It is very front heavy. Go to www.medicare.gov and review the different plans. Also check out the booklet "Medicare and You 2009" on the same website.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 03/17/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 70 fans permalink

I tried two times to give specific info but both were blocked. Look in the area of copays for hospital stays and after home care copays. not good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 03/17/2009
- elr50 I'm a Fan of elr50 20 fans permalink

I know a little about it. It is NOT cheap, but is available for very elderly patients. Depends on where you live.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 03/17/2009
- Deadmoose I'm a Fan of Deadmoose 5 fans permalink

Where did these plans originate from? Who's idea are they?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 03/16/2009
- genia I'm a Fan of genia 27 fans permalink
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republicans and republicans

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 03/16/2009

We seem to be one of the few who has been on a Med-Advantage plan for the past 2 years, and are better off for it. We went from a traditional Medicare or Medigap program + enhanced drug benefit, which costed us each $179 + 47.50 per month, totalling $226.50; to a Med Advantage plan offered by our local Permera Blue Cross. Now we pay $149 each per month, and we get the enhanced drug benefit, plus we get some vision, and routine dental which are not offered by traditional Medicare. So for us, to lose it would be a hardship, and a disappointment. Outside of a small co-pay for doc visits (we keep our same docs), we don't have additional bills.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 03/16/2009

I suggest everyone who is signed up with a Medicare Advantage plan, review your benefits carefully. While it is economical for those who are in relatively good health, it can be financially ruinous for those who are diagnosed with a serious illness like cancer. Many of the senior plans have a 20% copayment for "injectible drugs". This includes chemotherapy. A 20% copayment of a chemotherapy regimen and additional treatments often end up costing our patients thousands of dollars per month.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 03/16/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 70 fans permalink

Have you ever been in the hospital for a week or more? I believe the plan that you referred to have a $200.00 a day copay for hospital stays (some other plans charge over $300 a day). You may want to check on it because you don't know when you may have to be hospitalized. $200 a day for a 7 day stay is $2,400 plus you may have a deductable on top of that. The fact that your monthly cost went down from $225 to $149 might not be a good deal if you are stuck with a $2,400 bill for each week you spend in the hospital (and this is only for the room not any other out of pocket cost.)

I.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 03/17/2009
- truthglow I'm a Fan of truthglow 18 fans permalink

And not all doctors are covered. The best ones are not!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 AM on 03/17/2009
- Merg I'm a Fan of Merg 5 fans permalink

I agree with you. In some locations Medicare Advantage is a much better plan than Reg Medicare. I think this is true if you live in a big enough city that has good large all specialty Physican Groups that can treat all illnesses...including Mental Health. The Medicare Advantage programs offer better Drug benefits and some other extras that you won't get on Reg Medicare...even if you can find an independet Doctor that will accept Reg Medicare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 03/17/2009

I'm currently the medical billing manager for an oncology practice, and I've assisted many patients who unwittingly signed over their benefits to Medicare Advantage plans. Often these patients are in the midst of chemotherapy treatments, and are enrolled in networks our doctors don't belong to. The ensuing administrative work to either transfer the patient to a brand new oncologist, or obtain the paperwork and authorization to continue treatment is immensely taxing to both the patient, who is facing life-threatening illness, and the doctor, who is already stretched to the limit in time and resources to have to deal the avalanche of paperwork and phone calls. Something must be done to educate and regulate the representatives that sell these plans. Are they aware that the simple act of obtaining a signature from a Medicare beneficiary may be putting their new-found client's life at serious risk?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 03/16/2009
- Bruupo I'm a Fan of Bruupo 13 fans permalink

"Something must be done to educate and regulate the representatives that sell these plans."

Why hire more bureaucrats to police or train salesmen who work for a business that profits by denying medical services, when we can just have the bureaucrats dispense universal care directly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 AM on 03/17/2009
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Medical companies that take precious little funds left from elderly pensioners, and on top of that, scam them out of the medical coverage they once had. Welcome to America! Gotta love you capitalists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 03/16/2009
- genia I'm a Fan of genia 27 fans permalink
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My mom has a medical advantage and yes...since Obama has been in office she has...for the first time been charged for things. She went to a specialist and paid whatever she usually does (I don't have those details) a week later a bill appeared...she owed they specialist $50.00. She is going in for a surgical procedure soon and has been having all her pre op done.
for the first time...bills are rolling in..breaking down how much the costs for each test or doc visit..how much was covered and how much she owes. This....is new.
It is not a co pay.
Her prescription co pay has gone up also since Feb.
I hope whatever Obama is out to accomplish is done quickly. Many seniors do not have the money to be paying hundreds and thousands of dollars for pre op testing and doc visits.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 03/16/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 70 fans permalink

Get your mom out of the Advantage plan (no advantage) and put her in the Original Medicare Plus the medigap insurance that covers all categories and a Perscription plan. Yes it is more work this way but she will come out without having to pay much out of her pocket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 03/16/2009
- genia I'm a Fan of genia 27 fans permalink
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thanks...after reading this atricle and reading these post ..I will

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 03/16/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 70 fans permalink

Oh, medical plans go up every year just like everything else. It didn't go up because of President Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 03/16/2009
- genia I'm a Fan of genia 27 fans permalink
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read the article. I'm not blaming Obama...it is what it is

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 03/16/2009
- truthglow I'm a Fan of truthglow 18 fans permalink

That has NOTHING to do with Obama, and EVERYTHING to do with REPUBLICANS!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 03/17/2009

Any thing to do with our government is both Republicans and Democrats. Both parties suck and it's about time you woke up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 03/17/2009
- Earl I'm a Fan of Earl 111 fans permalink
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If Medicare wasn't broken, people wouldn't be looking for something better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 03/16/2009
- johnie2xs I'm a Fan of johnie2xs 62 fans permalink
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The primary thing wrong with Medicare was that the Bush administration determined that not enough money was being made by unscrupulous bottom feeders within the Rethuglican ranks.

That doesn't sound too over the top, does it? But it's true. How else can you prove government doesn't work unless you go out of your way to f*ck up the process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 03/17/2009
- truthglow I'm a Fan of truthglow 18 fans permalink

Regular Medicare is fantastic! It's not broken, but Republicans would like to make us think it is. I have traditional Medicare and an AARP Suplemental Plan C. It's wonderful. I have no problems, except with my Republican Medicare Part D Prescription Plan. I saw that one strong-armed through the House on C-SPAN in the early morning hours a few years ago. Since then, my husband's company got rid of our wonderful retiree prescription plan, because of this gift to the pharmaceutical industry from the Republican Party. This is what is "broken!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 03/17/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 70 fans permalink

It is not quite broken but Medicare need to be made less complicated and confusing for Seniors. The original Medicare need to get rid of the 20% copays, deductables and perscription (medication) cap of 2,700. A patient with a chronic condition (which many Seniors have) will hit the cap at 3 to 4 months. Then they are responsible for the full cost of their medication until they reach $4350 out of pocket , then the insurance company starts paying again. This section of the Medicare code is the most hurtful to Seniors. Out of pocket medication cost can run in the hundreds or thousands of dollars a MONTH. The caps are set by the government and apply to Medicare Part D Perscription plans in suplement form or as a part of an Advantage Plan.

The older you get the less complicated things need to be. The reason people are drawn to the Advantage Plans (I call them No Advantage) is the fact that it is a one stop shop. The government needs to come up with an ALL IN ONE PLAN that is comprehensive and simple. The government plan should include what is now Medicare Part A, Medicare Part B, Medicare Part D Perscription, and Medicare Medi-gap "J", this combination gives Seniors maximum coverage. I spent A Lot of time going over Medicare and it wasn't easy. Seniors should not have to go through all of this nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 03/17/2009

This is a long article and I am tired. Medicare Advantage plans end up costing you even if you do not have to pay a premium. Example, and I have mentioned this on Hufpo ad nauseam, when I had hip replacement my Medicare hospital deductible was around 784.-- (in 2002). With an Additional Medicare Advantage *coverage* it was $ 5000.--. Did not make any sense to me, so I did not sign on. You always have to read before signing and older people should get a witness to read the texts with the, EVEN if they can read the text perfectly well. That goes for any kind of contract. EVEN if you sign every page of a contract, these pages may be switched out for unsigned pages, and your signature on the last page will hold you accountable. Also make copies of every contract, all the time, every medical payment and copies of your cancelled checks. Keep those together for reference and never give them out, Make new copies if you need proof of payment. Check each payment you make first online with www.medicare.gov. O.K. NOW for the REAL MEATY PART: Medicare Advantage Plans get payments directly our of the Medicare Fund in addition to the premium you pay them. This causes an outflow out of Medicare and that in turn will lead to lower reimbursements to physicians. Tell your doctor, and check this with the AMA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 03/16/2009
- TXfemmom I'm a Fan of TXfemmom 213 fans permalink

Advantage plans are just like our regular insurance companies, in that they charge way too much to provide too little and they cherry pick their enrollees.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 03/16/2009
- whatthel I'm a Fan of whatthel 304 fans permalink
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The prescription drug bill should have been written where seniors pay a flat 5 or 10 dollar co-pay period. My mom falls into the donut hole every year, but never gets to the next beneficial level. I sure big pharma crunched the numbers so this would be the case for most people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 03/16/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 70 fans permalink

The Medicare system is really too complicated for the average person to understand. There are over 50 Advantage Plans not including the Prescription Plans, Supplement Plans, and the Original Medicare Plan to choose from and you really have to check the details of each plan to make sure the plan really covers your needs.

Anyone that has a family member or neighbor that coming up on their 65 birthday should go to the following government website: www.medicare.gov

On this website there is a booklet titled "Medicare and You 2009" that ouline all of the Medicare information. The site also have a lot of other helful information and all of the Medicare approved plans (you still have to go over the plans in detail, don't go based on price alone. Also, you can check the www.AARP.com website.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 03/16/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 70 fans permalink

I forgot to state: If you cannot pull up the sites by clicking on them, you can type it in the search engine to pull up the sites.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 03/16/2009
- tierone I'm a Fan of tierone 58 fans permalink
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This makes my skin crawl.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 03/16/2009
- InTheSouth I'm a Fan of InTheSouth 22 fans permalink
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A few years ago my dad in his late 70s had by-pass surgery. He had a supplement policy (which one I am not sure) and Medicare. He had to pay $9K out of pocket. He was lucky that he had the money in savings, but so many would be ruined financially. If I ever have to have that surgery, even now, I could not afford $9K out of pocket without going bankrupt. Remember, every 30 seconds of every minute of every hour of every day a person goes bankrupt because of medical expenses. That is not acceptable. We are the only industrialized country in the world that treats their citizens like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 03/16/2009

Have you seen the new plan for the VA to start billing service pesonell's private insurance for injuries received while on duty. Goverment hopes to save about $530million doing this....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 03/16/2009
- JePense I'm a Fan of JePense 17 fans permalink

From my experience with my folks:
One big problem with health costs: the concession stand approach - everyone is an independent contractor (hospital, doctor, nurses, labs, radiology, anesthesiologists, etc.) and NO ONE is in charge. There is no big picture approach to care or costs as a result.

Also, hospitals compete for patients and often duplicate tests because proprietary systems prevent easy sharing of test results.

Biggest costs? The level of drug resistant infections in hospitals is epidemic. People go in for surgery and are still there months and months later because they contract infections and bedsores and other ailments that prevent them from going home. These things should have criminal penalties attached.

The idea of electronic records as a cost-saving measure shows some pretty simplistic thinking. There is so much competition in our region. Remember the Windows vs. MAC wars? And before that the BETA vs VHS wars? It's likely hospitals and labs will lunge forward with proprietary electronic record-keeping systems, adding to costs, confusion, and errors. It's so easy to tamper with electronic records that there MUST be some level of accountability built in. (We've been in situations where the R.N. couldn't view lab results to follow doctor's orders on parameters for administering medication because a password was not available to night shift personnel.)

Sorry to be so long-winded, but this has become a big deal to me in the last couple of years of advocating for my parents' medical care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 03/16/2009
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