Medicare Advantage Sellers Trick Elderly Into Giving Up Benefits

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First Posted: 03-16-09 03:26 PM   |   Updated: 04-16-09 05:12 AM

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Curtis Smith is retired, but his body doesn't know it yet. The 72-year-old's eyes still pop open at five a.m. every morning, just as they did for decades. With no job to go to, he lays there.

"You're in the bed; you can't rest. You just lay there. And when it's time for me to go to work I get up and wander around like somebody lost, wanting to go," he says.

The rest of the day is just as empty. "Man, it's miserable," he says. "Television. Walk from room to room. It's too dangerous in Washington to do much walking around, especially old people. You walk around the street--you may come back, you may not. You know how this District is," says the longtime resident of Anacostia, a neighborhood south of the river in Washington, D.C.

The tedium was broken one morning this summer when a young woman knocked on his door. His wife told him not to answer. Nothing good could come from it.

"Most time she's right, I have to give her credit," he says. "If I'd have listened to what she said, I wouldn't be in the predicament I'm in now."

The next time Smith went to his pharmacy, he was told he was no longer covered. When he went to Howard University Hospital for a colon cancer procedure, he was told the same thing. His wife sent him to the local Legal Aid Society of the District of Columbia.

The woman who'd knocked was a sales rep from EverCare ("We care about healthcare"), a company that sells Medicare Advantage plans, which are privately run and can be more expansive - with vision and dental coverage - but have a smaller network of providers that participate. In practice, the extra vision and dental coverage is often of negligible benefit and doesn't outweigh what's lost by leaving traditional Medicare - but it looks good at first.

The sales rep told him her plan would be cheaper and would provide vision coverage, something Smith, whose eyes are deteriorating, had wanted. "She told me to sign it. It was a piece of paper just like one of these right here," says Smith, who can't read well. "A big piece of paper. And she had read me something about the benefits being better and cheaper and I signed it." (An EverCare spokesman said he couldn't comment on any specific case.)

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Medicare Advantage plans have long been targeted by Democrats, who argue that deceptive marketing practices trick patients into shoddy coverage that the government overpays for. The insurers don't explain what the holes in the benefits are or that they may no longer be able to go to their same doctor, pharmacy or hospital. But with Bush in the White House, the plans were safe.

On average, the government pays about 14 percent more for a Medicare Advantage plan than a regular Medicare plan. Obama hopes to wring billions in savings by reducing that premium. He'll then reinvest the savings - an estimated $177 billion over ten years -- in his push for universal healthcare. The plans cover some 11 million patients. The news that the profitable plans were under fire sent health insurance stocks tumbling.

On Tuesday, Office of Management and Budget chief Peter Orszag told a gathering of AHIP (the lobby for America's Health Insurance Plans) that the administration was set on cutting the program. "It won't be popular," Orszag told the insurers. And indeed it wasn't. A low level murmur and discontented rustling interrupted the otherwise polite meeting.

"Good thing there aren't tomatoes on the table," said an attendee sitting next to the Huffington Post.

But Orszag, who's leading Obama's healthcare reform effort, didn't back down. "Evidence suggests that each dollar provided under Medicare Advantage costs the government a dollar thirty in costs," he said. "I believe in competition. I don't believe in paying a dollar thirty to get a dollar."

Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for AHIP, said that Obama's cuts will mean less coverage for seniors. "We commend the president for prioritizing healthcare reform and for setting aside the resources that are needed. Unfortunately, the budget proposal would rely on seniors and Medicare Advantage to fund a disproportionate share of those costs," he said. "We believe that the entire Medicare program, including Medicare Advantage, needs to be looked at in the context of comprehensive healthcare reform."

The administration is not calling for an end to the plans, but rather that they be required to bid for the premium instead of simply being handed it. Reducing the premium could also reduce the fraud. Take the example of Curtis Smith: an elderly patient on a fixed income getting cancer treatments isn't any insurers idea of an ideal customer. But agents who sign patients up are generally paid a commission up front, so there's little incentive for them to do a longterm cost-benefit analysis. Once companies start doing that calculation under the new, reduced premium, tricking sick, old people into signing away their Medicare plan will be less profitable.

Instead, they'll likely do more of what Bill Vaughan found in February in Pinellas County, Florida. Vaughan, a former healthcare staffer with Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) who's now with the Consumers Union, was on vacation and undertook a personal project. He noticed that Medicare Advantage companies were scheduling a number of meetings throughout the county in disproportionately wealthy and predominantly white areas. Unlike individual agents, the companies themselves have an incentive to sign up wealthier patients, who tend to be healthier on average.

Vaughan analyzed 70 meetings and found only six were in a census tract with a below average percentage of whites or above average percentage of African Americans. Twenty-five of the 70 were in areas with a below-average income. Vaughan called it "a classic case of skimming or seeking out healthier than average people."

"Medicare Advantage plans go out of their way to target patients with chronic conditions," countered Zerkelbach.

It was a moot point for Smith; he didn't stay on EverCare's rolls for long. Smith had two things most victims of such policy-switches don't: access to free legal help in his neighborhood and a wife smart enough to tell him to use it. His attorney at Legal Aid, Jennifer Hatton, pressed the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) to rescind his enrollment in the Medicare Advantage plan, arguing that it was done fraudulently and was therefore illegitimate. CMS has long battled with shady marketing practices employed by Medicare Advantage companies. The agency has increasingly tightened what they're legally allowed to do, but policing against all situations like Smith's is a practical impossibility.

In late February, CMS apparently agreed that Smith had been enrolled under illegitimate circumstances. (The agency didn't return a call for comment.) CMS, as a result, agreed to retroactively disenroll him from EverCare and re-enroll him in traditional Medicare.

Arthur Delaney contributed reporting to this story.

Curtis Smith is retired, but his body doesn't know it yet. The 72-year-old's eyes still pop open at five a.m. every morning, just as they did for decades. With no job to go to, he lays there. "You're...
Curtis Smith is retired, but his body doesn't know it yet. The 72-year-old's eyes still pop open at five a.m. every morning, just as they did for decades. With no job to go to, he lays there. "You're...
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What is it with old people?

If they get sca.mmed or ripped off they cry out how unfair it is and how they were so easily manipulated because they're old.

And when it has to do with something other than being ri.pped off, they pull the whole "You should respect me and my opinions because I'm old and I know more than you!"

Make up your mind, granny. You're either an easy target/victim or else some wise and revered person who is sharp to the ways of the world

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 03/16/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 58 fans permalink

You can't be serious, or you are just young. Someone once said, youth is wasted on the young, how true. The years go by fast and before you know it you are old and vulnerable. Remember my words!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 03/16/2009

Swinging from the Center, are you? Appears that way! Well, buster, here is Granny! Pay attention. Have you heard? A lot of people were easily manipulated and they are now penniless and some are moving in with the kids. BUT it was not their fault, or granny's fault. There is a lot of FRAUD and there is absolutely nothing you can do against that. Even people who are very well connected, and not granny's age, can do nothing against it. Granny always has at least one witness, and keeps copies of everything, often multiple copies. Saves a lot of time, And so, buster, should you. We do not want to hear your lament when you are the one being had next time. Coming up now, soon!! Oh, and allmighty Bush and Cheney could not do much against being had, nor can this government, as per today, yet ,do anything about the big AIG and Madoff scams. People are not getting their money back, Mr. loudmouth, and the economy is in the nursing home right now. New crutches are being ordered in daily, let us see when she walks again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 03/16/2009
- Earl I'm a Fan of Earl 90 fans permalink
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When you get old, you'll know. Until then, you'll just have to live with your ignorance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 03/16/2009
- genia I'm a Fan of genia 27 fans permalink
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Isn't there a John Stossel show on somewhere that you could be watching ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 03/16/2009

Touche!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 AM on 03/17/2009

Wisdom comes with experience. You obviously have virtually none of either,...­...at this point. With the attitude you display with this post, mark these words; you will be, and probably already have been, "victimized" in ways you haven't even noticed yet. When you do catch on, that will be your chance to choose, or not, to learn.....­..... when you get over your anger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 AM on 03/17/2009

And you obviously can't spot a sarcastic joke when it hits you right upside the face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 03/17/2009
- Looplinker I'm a Fan of Looplinker 3 fans permalink

Think about it a private-sector, for-profit based health plan is supposed to make a profit for its share holders. Now what is the easiest way for these plans to make profit? Duh!!!!!!! To deny coverage whenever they can. It's simply a conflict of interest situation. Always ask yourself the question: Who benefits?

In Germany the have a national health plan run by private not-for-profit companies. The companies that run them are payed by the Government with the incentive the better the care (as determined by surveys of the patients) the more they get from the Government. Seems like a lot better than what the private sector has forced on us all these years. Ask yourself the question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 03/16/2009
- JePense I'm a Fan of JePense 14 fans permalink

I have been helping my parents with health concerns in the last couple of years and that has required me to learn about their Medicare Advantage plan - a GROUP plan provided by my father's former (New Jersey) employer.

The Medicare Advantage program (also known as managed medicare) must offer the same benefits as Medicare, but can offer more. For example, if Medicare guarantees 30 hospital days of treatment for a particular diagnosis; the Medicare Advantage program "offers" the same. However, if your doctor thinks you are cured before 30 days - or fails to document a medical need for additional treatment - you go home early. The flip side of this: if your doctor feels you require more than 30 days, the Medicare Advantage plan will OK it IF it is properly documented as medically necessary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 03/16/2009
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I've had HumanA HMO and recently PPO for a number of years. Sometimes the formulary chages, the co-pays go up a small amount in keeping with the economy, but at no time has it put a strain on my SS benefits. I trust Humana and have had very adequate medical care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 03/16/2009

I have Humana for Medicare part D and no problems so far. However, my doctors will NOT ACCEPT Humana Medicare Advantage. Wonder why! See my above contribution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 03/16/2009
- Bluesue I'm a Fan of Bluesue 21 fans permalink

Medicare Advantage and Medicare Part D prescription drug coverage were Republican gifts to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies. These were another con pulled on the citizens of this country by the Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 03/16/2009

I work in a dental office in Sarasota Florida. Many of our patients are enrolled in Medicare Advantage programs. Their dental coverage which goes along with these alternative programs is marginal at best. Most patients are supposed to get free cleanings, check ups and basic x rays for free in an HMO platform. We do not accept HMO's in our dental office, but our patients still come to us because and I quote, "they find it hard to make appointments for THE FREE TREATMENT ONLY at the one or two HMO offices in our town". So the added advantage of "dental coverage" is, I repeat, marginal.

Our Sarasota newspapers frequently have full-page advertisements by United Health Care, Humana etc. offering free lunches at fairly nice restaurants and the prospect of not having to pay the part B premium, (presently around $90 I believe) if you will sign up with them for coverage. However our patients tell us that as time goes on those "premium free" plans are not so free any longer. Again, being a sceptic it's obvious that there is no free lunch!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 03/16/2009
- Altruth I'm a Fan of Altruth 58 fans permalink

I told my mother never go to any of those "Free" lunches. The food isn't the problem, it is the life insurance and medical insurance they have you sign up for and the signing away of the house through Quit Claims (thinking they are only refinancing the house).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 03/16/2009

As a doc, when this program began- my seniors didn't know what to do and then did their best to get their diabetes drugs covered and their insulin and syringes. The cost- being part of a network with no providers, with no pharmacy benefits ie your drugs are no covered- no hospital locally takes your plan- it goes on and on and on.
Most of our local docs dis-enrolled all their medicare patients. They all cam to my practice and slowly but surely I got burned out, unable to make ends meet. I joined the military in self defense (sic) as I just could not dishonor my oath and turn patients away.
These medicare advantage plans are just nonsense. There is no money to be had in medicare and health care, if very lucky we can break even using the premiums from young healthy people to cover the elderly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 03/16/2009

As a doc you should know that Medicare Advantage Plans get payments directly out of Medicare Funds - see AMA Patients Action Network. As a Medicare patient I have paid in all my working life and now I pay about $ 100.--/mo. I am seen every four months. Then I have already paid $ 400.-- (plus my Medicare taxes over a lifetime), plus I pay a copayment. Doctors are really not doing that badly, but doctors who are in the profession to become rich from practicing medicine only gambled on the wrong profession. Try medical appliance sales (a lot of fun!!). As a patient I would not want you. Yes, here too, doctors have disenrolled Medicare patients. They advertise that they take them, but they are all *full*. If a doctor only takes Medicare patients they might have a problem. A mix of patients is better. And a definite mix of medicare/private practice is encouraged now. With the new universal healthcare everyone will be insured, even young healthy patients and pay premiums. In many countries doctors receive a yearly stiped for each enrolled patient, whether or not they ever see that patient. Patients have to be signed up with a gp. That is a neat yearly income. Often there is in addition also payment for each visit. Adds up nicely. Med School is free plus a living stipend too! No debts when doc comes out of med school, internships and specializa­tion..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 03/16/2009
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Why is this story followed by an ad for Medicare Advantage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 03/16/2009
- Clarabell I'm a Fan of Clarabell 59 fans permalink

Good question. And I think I've seen AARP send out brochures offering seniors to change their (perfectly good) plan to something better. Maybe there are a lot of things out there that need looking into.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 03/16/2009
- xargaw I'm a Fan of xargaw 31 fans permalink

We are routinely solicited by our medicare supplemental carrier to switch to Advantage. When you look into it, it is so much more restrictive than the supplemental policy, it is criminal. The best hospitals and specialists in our area are not providers. Your potential savings for dental and optical are tiny compared to what you loose in medical care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 03/16/2009
- MarciaJ720 I'm a Fan of MarciaJ720 10 fans permalink
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I have Multiple Sclerosis and a medical history to go with.

I also have copies of doctor bills from the days when I walked in, paid $25 or $30 for an entire doctors' visit and then I would send in my receipts to the insurance company for reimbursement.

Today, that same doctor is paid more like $100 or more. Wow, wish my income had increased that much in the past 20 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 03/16/2009
- Clarabell I'm a Fan of Clarabell 59 fans permalink

$100 might sound like a lot to you, but we've paid a plumber more than that to come in take a look, and then leave without having done a damned thing. So I think if a doctor gets a mere $100 a visit, it's peanuts. You have to know what they go through to get there (doctors) too, it's hell. How do I know, because my daughter is going through it right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 03/17/2009
- bgoodric I'm a Fan of bgoodric 4 fans permalink

This is exactly what we can expect when we let private profit-seekers get involved. The private sector _isn't_ more efficient, _isn't_ cheaper, _isn't_ more streamlined than the public sector. After all, with the private sector, there's gotta be more money charged, or less services available, so that the profiteers can get their profit. They are just an unnecessary level of middle-men. It's the opposite of what all the "invisible-hand" worshippers have been telling us for thirty years.

Chicago-school economics insists that the free market is best, but their cartoonish over-simpl­ifications assume that everyone in all interactions has enough information, and that everyone has a choice whether to buy something or not. But with medicine, we don't have a choice to go without it. And as laypeople, we don't have enough information about medicine, treatments, pharmaceuticals, etc., and have to rely on our healthcare practitioners, and we don't have enough information about law, details of insurance programs, etc., to make an informed decision without a lawyer acting for us. So that kind of economics is really about setting up a system in which shameless con artists can rip people off _within the law_.

Fight back! John Conyers's H.R. 676, "Medicare for All," aka Single-Payer, aka Canadian-style universal health insurance -- simple, comprehensive, guaranteed. It's a MORAL issue.

Tell your Rep to sponsor it. Tell your Senator to support that approach too.
This is a cla

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 03/16/2009
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I don't know what kind of utopia you live in, where everyone is charles atlas super mutants, but in the world I live in, there are critically and chronically ill disabled people, a single health care system such as the one in Canada you propose, will do nothing but cause more death and suffering while people wait in the medical version of Soviet style bread and toilet paper lines, sometimes 4-6 months for a doctor's appointment, only to be told you need surgery, which you can not schedule for another 4-6 months, any time during which a patient could die.

And why are we letting the insurance companies off the hook anyway and just letting them go about their business, scamming people, until we get sick of it and change plans to a government system that will be no better? Did you read the article here about the VA and the "treatment" that vets receive when returning from war? Government systems are no better than private health insurance, the difference is, we actually have the power to force the insurance companies to live up to our standards, while if we are under a governmental program, we will be essentially wards of the state, and there are many of us in the disabled community who have fought tooth and nail to get out of the government system and begin to regain a modicum of dignity and self respect, which we will lose again under a government run program

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 03/16/2009
- DocTwain I'm a Fan of DocTwain 113 fans permalink
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Lies!

Go to Canada. They have a single-payer national health insurance that covers EVERY single person in the country--even covers American (and all other) tourists, to boot--and they pay almost NOTHING out of pocket (not even the Americans)--and Canadians live to be three years older than Americans!

Whereas our system costs twice as much, pours $350 billion a year into the private health insurance cartel in graft, has artificially inflated prescription drug prices, and leaves 47 MILLION AMERICANS UNINSURED and 50 MILLION more UNDERINSURED! So that 1 out of 2 bankruptcies in the U.S. are caused by medical costs! Even though we spend over $8,000 a year per capita! All because of plutocratic corruption by the cartels.

Even better, go to Taiwan. They, too, have an excellent single-payer national health insurance plan with NO waiting and no rationing.

Are you trying to tell me that Americans can't do BETTER than the Canadians and the Taiwanese?

Do you think so little of America?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 03/16/2009

The VA had hired a private subcontractor for Walter Reed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 03/16/2009
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a single health care system such as the one in Canada you propose, will do nothing but cause more death and suffering while people wait in the medical version of Soviet style bread and toilet paper lines, sometimes 4-6 months for a doctor's appointment, only to be told you need surgery, which you can not schedule for another 4-6 months, any time during which a patient could die.
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The above describes exactly what happens to the poor and uninsured in this country using public hospitals. They have to wait till hell freezes over before they get the care they need.
We do not have the power to make the insurance companies do anything. They will continue to suck the public dry for every last dime they can make a profit from. For all the bragging Americans do, we are still something like 34th in health care. Even some third world countries beat us in the health care field.
I have worked in the insurance industry for almost 30years so I know exactly what goes on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 03/16/2009
- Graywolf48 I'm a Fan of Graywolf48 77 fans permalink
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What sort of personal experience do you have with the Canadian health care system? Every Canadian I've talked to, and I know quite a few, love their plan. Your story of 4-6 month waits is bull, just right wing propaganda. For elective surgeries, there are waiting periods. For most routine care, waits for appointments are shorter than they are in the US, with private insurance. It takes me at least 4-6 weeks to see my cardiologist when I need an appointment. It's usually several weeks before I can get in to see my GP, unless it's "urgent" then they'll try to squeeze me in or refer me to the ER. In Canada, if your sick, you walk in, see a doctor and don't fill out any forms. Ask a Canadian if they'll trade their health care for ours. So your facts are just BS. I also use the VA health care system, my doctors visits are free as are my medications. Appointments usually require 3-4 weeks. When I worked, I had excellent private insurance. Same waits, chasing down a doc in the "network" and paying sometimes sizable "co-pays." In the US we pay a lot more for a lot less care. Do the research and get the facts and listen less to the propagandists who oppose a single payer system.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 03/16/2009
- AkronGuy I'm a Fan of AkronGuy 2 fans permalink

This is pure crap. The Canadian health care is every bit as good as in the U.S. and it covers everyone. The waiting times are no better in the U.S. I used to live in Canada and still have family there. They have NO complaints. PlaceboStudman, would you happen to be a shill for the for-profit health insurance industry, perhaps?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 03/16/2009
- bgoodric I'm a Fan of bgoodric 4 fans permalink

Thanks for your supporting comments! I'd bet a month's income that PlaceboStudman is either one of those Republicans who are paid to log on and spread lies and confusion (with payment depending on how many posts they provoke in response), or someone employed directly or indirectly by private health insurance companies. Let's answer such posts by replying alongside their replies, not to their replies, so they don't profit from the discord they spread!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 03/16/2009
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For gosh sake's people, don't trust these insurance companies.

Let me explain: If you work for Intel or IBM and you have coverage through your company then you are fine because it is corporate America and the insurance cos have to honor their committments. But if they can get you to sign up for an individual plan when you retire you are simply a baby gazelle surrounded by Hyenas and who do you expect to come to your rescue when they decide you are dinner? Rush Limbaugh?

The laws are all written in favor of the insurance companies so the judges will just laugh at you if you try to go to court.

DO NOT BUY ANY INDIVIDUAL INSURANCE POLICY FOR HEALTH FROM AN INSURANCE COMPANY IN AMERICA. IT IS A SCAM. TRUST ME. AVOID AT ALL COSTS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 03/16/2009
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and don't fall for those who want a single payer system either, because single payer systems only work if everyone in the system is super healthy charles atlas mutants. But, anyone with a disability or pre-existing condition now when that platform is enacted will be cut out and FORCED to depend on private health insurance, where they can gouge us for every penny.

So the question becomes, which do you value more, your money under the lower cost but segregational "separate but equal" government system, or your dignity and self respect that could be retained if we simply put the insurance companies under the same cost/benefit analysis they use on us to determine coverage.

Personally, for me and many of my disabled friends who have fought tooth and nail to get OUT of government run facilities for the disabled, we are eager to pay more for better health care, if we are able to retain our dignity and self respect

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 03/16/2009
- DocTwain I'm a Fan of DocTwain 113 fans permalink
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Nonsense!
You have NO idea what you're talking about.
You don't even know what single payer is.
You don't have the slightest clue.
You're either completely ignorant or you're disingenuous.
Go here and learn something about single payer before you sound off:

http://www.pnhp.org

Or even try Wikipedia, for crying out loud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 03/16/2009

Medicare Advantage plans actually have to offer enhanced benefits by law, in other words, we offer the same benefits as standard Medicare and additional ones as well.
I work for a great plan in Oregon and we work very hard to take care of our members and help them to improved health. Insurance is confusing and folks need to be careful about what they sign or agree to.
But please don't paint MA plans with such a broad brush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 03/16/2009
- syn I'm a Fan of syn permalink

Yes they do work well in some areas, Michigan Blue Cross Blue Shield Advantage Plans are some of the best I've seen, and work perfectly, because all the doctors take BCBS, and Michigan is such a "blue" state. Yes you are required to offer enhanced benefits by law, but this comes at the cost of co-pays, deductables, and a out-of-pocket max every year. The company you may work for in Oregon most likely works wonders for their client base. But what happens if one of your clients gets sick, has to move across the country to live with family, and change plans. The risk is Advantage plans may not work as well as the plan they had in Oregon. And once you switch to a Medicare Advantage plan, you cannot go back to traditional Medicare, you have to say with a Advantage plan. And this is where it really falls into a area that could hurt someone financially or medically.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 03/16/2009
- ljwaldron I'm a Fan of ljwaldron 3 fans permalink

Medicare Advantage (MA) is in addition to medicare; it is required by law to offer what medicare does as a minimum. I also sell as an independent broker and offer several plans. I work very hard to provide my clients with the coverage that fits their lifestyle best.

Supplement plans are all inclusive, but the starting premium is over $100/mo; in addition to the $94.60 for Medicare Part B and approx $25-30 for Part D coverage. The premium increases every year for the 1st 5 years; then levels off. The bottom line could be in the $350 range, all things considered.

Not all retirees have the kind of resources to pay that on a monthly basis. Yes, you pay it whether you use it or not. If you have a high maintenance health issue; then it's a good purchase; but if you rarely go to the doctor then you could be better served with an MA plan.

If a client of mine moves; I do the best I can to investigate the carrier's offering in the state they are moving to in an attempt to make the transition easier.

An insurance rep that approaches a senior without being invited by the senior is against the rules. That rep needs to be reported and investigated, and Evercare should be fined!!!!

Evercare is a plan for income restricted seniors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 03/16/2009
- DocTwain I'm a Fan of DocTwain 113 fans permalink
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Untrue! Medicare Advantage is self-evident fraud.

NO private health insurance company can over the same quality coverage as government insurance at equal or lower price. It's IMPOSSIBLE, because of ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.

Private insurance companies have exorbitant administrative costs--overhead, executive pay, marketing, and PROFIT. The whole purpose of a private insurer is to take dollars intended to pay for health care and then NOT pay for any. Give a buck to a private insurer and on average it consumes 20% in administrative costs--only 80 cents buy actual health care. Essentially, the insurance company acts as a zero-value-added middleman charging 20% to write a check. But government insurance can write that check for a tiny fraction of the cost. That's because government insurance HAS no marketing, excess executive pay, or profit--and overhead is much lower. Give Medicare a buck and it consumes only 3% in administrative costs--97 cents buy actual health care Americans need. NO private insurance company can compete with that. Government insurance can offer more and better coverage at lower cost EVERY TIME. This difference is so huge that if we eliminated the private health insurance industry, we'd save $350 BILLION a YEAR:

http://www.pnhp.org

Medicare Advantage was a scam from the beginning--a ruse to funnel billions to middlemen profiting by stinting on care.

If Obama was honest he'd eliminate Medicare Advantage entirely.

If we want to offer seniors additional benefits, we should do it efficiently, through regular Medicare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 03/16/2009
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If the "profit" is removed from the health care equation, costs will be reduced substantially. Insurance companies are not in business to provide the best care, they are in business to provide the most profitable care. When doctors are paid a decent salary to see patients and provide care, the system works better. Now they're pressured to avoid costly tests and procedures and write for the most profitable medications. Take the business out of the health care business and replace it with humanitarian care. The statistics don't lie, we pay more for health care in America and get a lot less for the extra money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 03/16/2009
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Administrative costs pale in comparison to the profits these companies make due to selling substandard care at the rates they charge.

Let me put it to you in the simplest terms. Insurance companies, subsidized by Big Pharma are drug dealers, and like any drug dealer, they cut their product in with other products that are much more harmful, like pot laced with acid, for example.

If people were convinced they were receiving the best possible product, many of them wuld pay more.

the same goes with the banking industry, really. No one complained much about bank execs getting huge bonuses until we realized that banks were gambling with our money and giving it away to exorbitant trips for corporate sheisters

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 03/17/2009
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Work very hard to take care of members and help them to improved health?" Bold faced lie. No insurance company, most if not all of whom are in legion of doom with big pharma, are offering the lowest quality drugs and technology you can get away with. Including many medications that are intended to treat one illness, such as heart disease, and yet contain any number of additives, fillers and preservatives, many of which can not be metabolized by already compromised kidneys and liver, and thus ending up doing more damage to those organs than the drug does any good for the ailment it is intended to treat.

In other words, I'd rather take my chances with heart disease than be led to believe that my heart disease is being treated by a drug that will kill me due to liver and/or kidney failure

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 03/16/2009
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Actually, I travel quite a bit and in exotic places. My husband, who has the same Medicare Advantage Plan that I do, was taken sick in Cape Town in November. We paid the doctor up front; he gave us a receipt which we submitted to the plan. The plan reimburses us, no questions asked.

Really, it's like anything else anyone tries to sell you. If you read the fine print, you'll be okay. If you don't, you are setting yourself up.

My husband is eight years older than me. He joined a Medicare Advantage Plan when I turned sixty-five, but until that time had Traditional Medicare with co-insurance. The money we are saving now is just astonishing. EVERYTHING is cheaper for us than for his Traditional Medicare..­..and I have eight years of receipts to prove it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 03/16/2009

When I became eligible for Medicare due to a disability, I had a meeting with a Medicare Advantage representive in my home. They give you several options based on deductibles and copays. After having to explain the ultimate cost of the different plans to me several times, the guy finally broke down and said with a smile, "Look, it doesn't really matter which one you choose. It all costs the same in the end." LOL. Well, at least I appreciated his honesty.

The reason Medicare Advantage appealed to me was that I require over $10,000 in medications annually. In addition, psychological treatment was part of my decision. However, when I tried to nail him down on what was actually covered, he was stumped. Needless to say, I decided to go with a more expensive Medigap plan, which pays all costs not covered by Medicare (hard to get for disabled people however).

If you can afford Medigap (or Medicare Supplement plans, as they are called), go for it. I am taking a huge hit with prescription drugs, even with Part D coverage. However, I recently had a brief stint in the hospital and it very reassuring to know that I could go to one near my home so my relatives could help me get better. I also get to go to any doctor that accepts Medicare payments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 03/16/2009
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