Surveys: Americans Grip To Individualism In Economic Storm

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First Posted: 03-17-09 07:17 AM   |   Updated: 04-17-09 05:12 AM

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In the face of a recession that has destroyed billions in family savings and home values, Americans remain convinced that personal initiative and hard work are the key to big rewards, and they continue to repudiate the idea of government intervention to alleviate economic inequality, according to two Pew-sponsored reports.

Not only do voters continue to be convinced, by large majorities, that they, and not government or big corporations, control their own destinies in the midst of the current recession, but they do so despite more long-term evidence suggesting that there is less class mobility in the United States than in most Northern European countries, or in Canada, and that U.S. wages have not kept up with productivity gains for the past three decades.

This conviction underpins the long-standing American hostility to a full-fledged welfare state -- along the lines of many European counties -- and underpins the lack of a strong socialist tradition in the US. It also shapes the debate over policies to deal with the current recession, including the Obama administration's rejection of bank nationalization.

A survey of 2119 respondents conducted by the Democratic firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research and the Republican firm Public Opinion Strategies for the Pew Economic Mobility Project asked: "Currently the country is in a recession. Do you believe it is still possible for people to improve their economic standing?"

Eighty percent answered "yes," including 56 percent answering "strongly" in the affirmative. Only 16 percent said "no."

African Americans, Hispanics and persons under 40 were even more affirmative than the public as a whole, with "yes" to "no" ratios respectively 83-15, 86-11, and 85-13.

A report on the findings of the survey, produced by the two polling firms, declared: "In the midst of an historic economic crisis, Americans insist that, despite the recession, it is still possible for people to improve their economic standing, and most believe that they control their economic destiny. Americans believe ambition, hard work and education primarily drive mobility, rather than outside forces like the current state of the economy."

The continuing strength of what amounts to an American 'ethos' -- a dimension of what some scholars call 'American Exceptionalism' -- was evident in the following conclusions:

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"Americans care more about opportunity than inequality and are far more concerned about the ability of lower-income Americans to move up the income ladder than about the persistence of upper-income Americans at the top. By a 71 to 21 percent margin, Americans believe it is more important to give people a fair chance to succeed than it is to reduce inequality in this country. Each demographic subgroup, including those at the lowest end of the economic spectrum, concurs with the majority on this issue."

What makes these findings particularly striking is the evidence that -- according to a second study, "Economic Mobility: Is the American Dream Alive and Well?," by Isabel Sawhill of the Brookings Institution and John E. Morton of the Pew Charitable Trusts -- the "American Dream" is not working as effectively as it has in the past.

According to the Brookings/Pew report, the pay-off for hard work has been diminishing. In the three decades after WWII, workers' wages rose almost exactly in proportion to productivity gains. For the past three decades, however, wage increases have fallen significantly behind productivity gains. The following Pew chart shows this spread beginning in the late 1970s and steadily growing over time.

Supporters of the theory that America is an 'exceptional' nation argue that the United States is different from other countries because a) it does not grapple with a legacy of rigid social stratification, as many other countries with formerly feudal or caste systems do; and b) that Americans' strong historic opposition to 'collectivist' forms of social intervention and a relatively greater preference for 'individualism' have led to higher levels of economic mobility than are found elsewhere.

The findings of the Pew/Brookings study, however, dispute this.

What this chart shows is that there is less mobility in the U.S. than in France, Germany, Sweden, Canada, Finland, Norway and Denmark (England has lower levels of social mobility than the U.S.); that sons are more likely to earn close to what their fathers made in the United States (after adjusting for inflation) than in most of the other developed countries cited in the study.

Despite these trends, the 'individualistic' convictions of Americans remain strong, and are powerful factors in policy decisions.

President Obama, in rejecting nationalization of banks as a way to deal with collapsing financial institutions cited the alien character of such actions to this country.

Acknowledging that Sweden had successfully nationalized banks during an earlier financial crisis, Obama noted that that not only are there vastly more banks in the U.S. than in Sweden, but "we also have different traditions in this country. Obviously, Sweden has a different set of cultures in terms of how the government relates to markets and America's different. And we want to retain a strong sense of private capital fulfilling the core -- core investment needs of this country. And so, what we've tried to do is to apply some of the tough love that's going to be necessary, but do it in a way that's also recognizing we've got big private capital markets and ultimately that's going to be the key to getting credit flowing again."

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In practice, the public may be more ambivalent about activist government, and perhaps even about bank nationalization. Rasmussen Reports conducted a survey of 1,000 adults on February 3 and 4, 2009, putting the questions of nationalization in extreme terms, "Should the Government take over our banking system and have one centralized government bank?" Not very surprisingly, some 75 percent of respondents said no, only 9 percent said yes, with the remainder either declining to answer or suggesting another alternative.

A month later, Newsweek asked 1,203 adults a parallel, but much more moderate, version of the nationalization question: "Temporary nationalization is another way for the federal government to deal with large banks in danger of failing. This is where the government takes over a failing bank, cleans its balance sheets, and then quickly sells it off. In general, which do YOU think is the better way to deal with failing banks?" Again, not very surprisingly, the response was 56 percent for "nationalization where the government takes temporary control" and 29 percent for "government financial aid without any government control of the bank."

On a broader -- and perhaps most illuminating -- scale, Newsweek asked: "In general, government grows bigger as it provides more services. If you had to choose, would you rather have a smaller government providing less services, or a bigger government providing more services?"

Republicans preferred smaller government by a 67-24 margin; Democrats were the mirror opposite, choosing bigger government by better than two to one, 65-25; independents slightly favored smaller government, 45-42.

Reflecting the nation's deep ambivalence on this issue, when all the numbers are added together, the respondents split right down the middle, 44 to 44.

In the face of a recession that has destroyed billions in family savings and home values, Americans remain convinced that personal initiative and hard work are the key to big rewards, and they continu...
In the face of a recession that has destroyed billions in family savings and home values, Americans remain convinced that personal initiative and hard work are the key to big rewards, and they continu...
 
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Statistics don't lie, but only liars use statistics.

Ask the residents of Sacramento, soon to be a small suburb of Tent City, California.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 03/17/2009

Well they are part of the 44% who would want larger gvt for more services.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 03/17/2009
- leeman79 I'm a Fan of leeman79 6 fans permalink

What we need is a combination of individualism and nationalism again. We lost the nationalism part a long time ago. We need to recapture the idealism of the Eisenhower/Kennedy years. I don't care what anybody says, those were great years and we owe it to our next generation to straighten out this greedy, bankrupt, misguided mess that we've gotten them into.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 03/17/2009
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Bring back the fifties! Duck and cover!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 03/17/2009
- leeman79 I'm a Fan of leeman79 6 fans permalink

I'll take a cold war over two hot wars anytime. The last 45 years has been regressive in a lot of areas, especially, economic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 03/17/2009
- miamia I'm a Fan of miamia 12 fans permalink

I can work hard and achieve my goals provided the system isn't rigged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 03/17/2009

The system is rigged, starting with higher education. Free in Canada and Europe, less and less affordable in the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 03/17/2009
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One problem with the European educational system though -- one strike and you're out. If you bomb the equivalent of the SATs just once, you're put on a non-college track and that's it for you. That's partly how they can subsidize higher education the way they do. Here at least it may be expensive (a consequence of Reagan basically trashing the existing system) but, if you work at it, you can at least get through a state school with a loan and pay it back in a few years. Because European higher education is far more selective (and less sports-oriented) that American education, European universities (sorry folks) are truly the finest in the world. But this IS in part because they are definitely elitist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 03/17/2009
- vjoseph I'm a Fan of vjoseph 65 fans permalink
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Not in anymore in Canada

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 03/17/2009
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What an illusion. And it isn't EVEN so-called "big government" that is the problem. This is the whole reason why libertarianism is such a crock. Big corporations -- as we continually see -- are the real villains of the story. As anyone who's ever worked for one knows, they are like medieval courts wih their dukes and duchesses who, within their own fiefdoms, exercise basically absolute power. Government, at least to some extent, is the only entity that can protect people from these atavistic giants. It's certainly far from perfect at this task but it's basically all we've got.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 03/17/2009
- glockman I'm a Fan of glockman 50 fans permalink
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To assume that govt. is the solution is a complete fallacy. Government is not comprised of petri dish grown automatons that never make mistakes, it is comprised of the same types of people that run business, the ones that we love to lambaste for all their faults. Govt. is as inept as business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 03/17/2009

Glockman,
Does any new idea get into your head?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 03/17/2009
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The HUGE difference is who these people are accountable to when they make mistakes; we have no control over private enterprise when they ruin peoples live with lies and bad behavior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 03/17/2009
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 157 fans permalink
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Oh, and the other two? Ever hear of "machismo"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 03/17/2009
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 157 fans permalink
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Did you observe the make-up of those focus groups? Three out of five of them were structured to be split between college educated and non-college educated; that is, "haves" and "have nots".

Knowing the tendency of Americans to refuse to publicly acknowledge that they are not doing as well as the people around them (often expressed as "keeping up with the Jones"), that group composition suggests to me that the Pew Group employed to a little basic psychology to ensure a predictable outcome.

I.e., I wouldn't put any weight behind this study's results.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 03/17/2009
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I agree. Many of these sorts of studies are designed to verify an ideological stance. And it's been demonstrated time and again that it is not difficult to "slant" surveys and focus-group studies simply by the way the questions and issues are PHRASED. Definitely a crock.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 03/17/2009
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Not to mention the microscopic sample size of the subjects. Only 1,000 people are supposed to be representative of an entire nation of 300+ Million?

I don't think so

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 03/17/2009
- glockman I'm a Fan of glockman 50 fans permalink
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I have no problem that I do not do as well as others. What little I do have, I enjoy and provide care for. It's as simple as that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 03/17/2009
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 128 fans permalink

I am always amused at the hysteria that economic troubles cause for those who willy-nilly follow the trends of over spending on faddish items and over-priced junk.

I was raised by two very conservative, very smart Democrat parents who saved when they could, only bought what they needed, and taught all four of their children to do the same. That's why, for those of us who actually followed their example, we were always able to buy homes, clothing, shoes, cars, food as we needed and do not carry large balances on multiple credit cards. I have ONE credit card with a balance, some of which is business-related and will be paid by my employer.

While others bought McMansions, my husband and I were able to build a nice home on a lot we already owned - used the equity in the lot for our down - and have very little left to pay on our mortgage after 15 years.

If we can't get over $300,000 for our home when we go to sell it as we had hoped, that's o.k. A couple of years ago, that would have been possible. But not now. We will still have a huge down payment for our next home which will likely be our retirement home and we will have no debt to worry about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 03/17/2009
- lynnn I'm a Fan of lynnn 42 fans permalink

But you are connected to other people. If the country fails, you will fail as well. YOU won't have a retirement, nor will you be able to sell your house. Forget about buying medicines.

I don't think most boomers will be able to retire w/out the help of their kids now, housing prices will not go back up (to their previous levels) for a long time, people will not re-coup their 401k's.

They might actually have to become less selfish and actually care about the ability of future generations to succeed. Like Stewart said, this song ain't about you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 03/17/2009
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I think you missed the point.

You state how "they might actually have to *become* less selfish", and yet what the woman above seemed to be saying is that she (and many others like her) were never selfish to begin with, and therefore will be okay, because she and others don't put much value on money or "stuff" so was able to save and make good investment decisions that brace them (us) from impending doom brought on by the careless greed of others

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 03/17/2009
- WoodyCPM I'm a Fan of WoodyCPM 81 fans permalink

"Currently the country is in a recession. Do you believe it is still possible for people to improve their economic standing?" --


It's not surprising that most people answered YES to this question. That would be because it's true. There were SOME, a FEW, a little, every now and then someone, who actually MADE MORE money during the Depression, so of course it's POSSIBLE! Stupid, ideologically driven, contrived question. Dumb question. Intentionally misleading question? Polls suck.

It's entirely likely however that most Americans do in fact believe what the pollsters "found" in this survey. That would not be surprising. Americans believe all kinds of conflicting things. The level of cognitive disonance in the heads of most Americans always threatens to blow the country into pieces. George Carlin once remarked...."Bulls.h..i,t is the glue that holds us together as a nation."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 03/17/2009

"By a 71 to 21 percent margin Americans believe that it is more important to give people a FAIR chance to succeed..."

But most people do not get a FAIR chance. In 1977 I was fortunate enough to land a high wage, high benefit, blue collar Union job. There were over 160 people working there. For the most part wages kept up with the cost of living until the cost of housing in the Bay Area went thru the roof. When I retired in 2005 there were 39 employees - only the work that absolutely had to be done locally was done here, the rest had been outsourced to China.

Sadly I think that most folks do not realize or don't want to believe that the deck has grown more and more stacked against the average worker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 03/17/2009
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This is a very good point.

If you look at the way that the economic situation has spread out over the last five generations of middle class people you clearly see that there is significantly less economic mobility for the average American time goes on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 03/17/2009

Read it and weep, Socialist Advos. The American people realize this country was built upon opportunity. Did you realize the first woman millionaire in this country was an African-American whose parents had been slaves? (Madam C.J. Walker - 1867-1919) I wonder how she would view this "womb to tomb" government subsidy? Probably not kindly and she'd rightly be kicking the arse of complainers and whiners. You think life was easy for her? In her own words:

"There is no royal, flower-strewn path to success. And if there is, I have not found it for if I have accomplished anything in life, it is because I have been willing to work hard."

That, my friends, is the spirit of America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 03/17/2009
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Yeah, that and being less likely than the citizens of other countries to earn more than your parents did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 03/17/2009
- retroredux I'm a Fan of retroredux 63 fans permalink
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So what about the millions of people who work hard under these millionaires, at their businesses, many of whom are not offered affordable health care, any pension plan and make so little they live paycheck to paycheck. What about those who live within their means. So if they don't have healthcare through work, and you think they shouldn't be offered government assistance-so what if they become ill? What, should they just d. i. e. and reduce the surplus population?

So does a person have no value to a society unless they are profitable?
That would mean the billions of stay at home moms, and grandmoms as worthless, right? What about handicapped people who simply cannot work? Are they worthless, complaining, "whiners" as you say?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 03/17/2009
- lynnn I'm a Fan of lynnn 42 fans permalink

She wasn't the first woman millionaire. He life was hard because of racism, don't pretend like you know anything of Madame Walker's life,my family travelled in the same circles (some later passed for white). Did you know the last lynching in the North was is Indiana?

I have the diaries of my relatives (who hung out with her). Seriously, stop talking out of your butt. That is one thing many people miss about AA society, it was the sense of community.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 03/17/2009
- WoodyCPM I'm a Fan of WoodyCPM 81 fans permalink

The mistake you make in your preaching the Gospel According to the Rich in America (and for whom you are a stooge), is in insistng that "hard work" is the ONLY component to economic success. That isn't true and it insults the millions who work hard, just as hard as any "successful" person, but never reach the kind of economic success that Madam C.M. Walker did. There are many other factors involved, some of which are beyond the control of any individual, not the least of which is just blind, dumb luck.

I work three jobs, rarely do I have a moment to do anything else but work. (this week the schools are closed so I'm not doing substitute teaching). I still do not have enough financial resources to find a place of my own. I still have to live with friends. I still can not afford health insurance (a trip to the dentist yesterday cost me $110 out of pocket).

Let me tell you what you can do with your insults about "hard work".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 03/17/2009
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I've got to ask, just how hard did you work in school that you are now in a position where you are required to take 3 jobs, as opposed to receiving an education that would have given you the opportunity (at least until recently) to take one high paying job that would have paid you more than the 3 jobs you currently work combined?

Granted, you speak about substitute teaching, which is an admirable and incredibly under paid profession, but those teachers I have known who went into the teaching profession in recent years didnt do so to make money, they did so because they had the passion for teaching, only to realize just how thankless a job it can become.

Yes, there are more variables to success than just hard work, one of them being redefining success to not include material wealth. But, that at least IS under your control, and assuming you have the same opportunities as everyone else (and granted many people dont), what are you doing outside of your 3 jobs to make sure that you are truly successsful in ways that aren;t tied into your income?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 03/17/2009

"Currently the country is in a recession. Do you believe it is still possible for people to improve their economic standing?" -- what terrible wording!. Of course, it's "possible" for some to thrive in a recession. Look at all the AIG execs collecting bonuses! Answering "yes" to this questions says very little about the American ethos. Heck, I might have answered "yes" to this and I'm not one of those small government individualists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 03/17/2009
- esmast I'm a Fan of esmast 5 fans permalink
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A great report on the american spirit. It is indeed this spirit that will lead us to a recovering economy... probably sooner than most people think...
http://mast-economy.blogspot.com/2009/03/more-strong-recovery-signs.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 03/17/2009
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I think you may have misread this report, which points out that the belief in an 'American spirit' flies in the face of facts about the American experience. Still, as long as you're content, and don't mind at all that the citizens of Norway and Denmark have better lives, I guess that's fine. I'm all for self-determination, and if a group of people are determined not to improve their lives and society, that's their choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 03/17/2009
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Not everyone in Norway and Denmark (or in fact most of Europe) have better lives. Half of Europe does not even take statistics on their disabled population, and those countries who do only count "non--institutionalized" disabled, completely skewing their records. I'd be interested in asking them how they feel about their "better lives" and their ability to retain self determination (let alone self respect and dignity), amd their ability to improve their life and society

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 03/17/2009
- WoodyCPM I'm a Fan of WoodyCPM 81 fans permalink

Blah, blah, blah, blah....went right over your head! How typically American of you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 03/17/2009

I don't always believe these surveys or polls. It's too easy to skew them this way or that by the wording of the questions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 03/17/2009

The assumption is also that the person being surveyed clearly understood what they were being asked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 AM on 03/17/2009

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 03/17/2009
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