States Look To Tobacco Tax To Balance The Budget

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First Posted: 03-21-09 11:33 AM   |   Updated: 04-21-09 05:12 AM

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New York Times:

Mississippi's tax on cigarettes, at 18 cents a pack the nation's third-lowest, has not been raised since 1985. Gov. Haley Barbour, a former tobacco lobbyist, has long opposed an increase.

But this year, state lawmakers have gone from giving little thought to a tobacco tax increase to arguing over how much the tax should go up and where the money should go.

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Mississippi's tax on cigarettes, at 18 cents a pack the nation's third-lowest, has not been raised since 1985. Gov. Haley Barbour, a former tobacco lobbyist, has long opposed an increase. But this y...
Mississippi's tax on cigarettes, at 18 cents a pack the nation's third-lowest, has not been raised since 1985. Gov. Haley Barbour, a former tobacco lobbyist, has long opposed an increase. But this y...
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Very good idea. And while we are at it, let's double the gas tax. It's the right thing to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 03/21/2009
- dac253 I'm a Fan of dac253 24 fans permalink
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My cartons in Virginia went up from $30 two weeks ago, to $37.

If it wasn't for every other item I buy at the store getting more and more expensive, I'd freak out.

Everything goes up except my income.

I never believed in you before, but if you can hear me, "PLEASE SAVE US, SUPERMAN!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 03/21/2009

You know what else keeps going up? Your chances of having lung cancer. Lung cancer is great. They don't even have a working chemo for it. It kills you cold. You have 14 to 27 weeks for the final stage. But I bet most people wish it would be over sooner rather than later.

:-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 03/21/2009
- dac253 I'm a Fan of dac253 24 fans permalink
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I could live to be 100 yrs old if I quit doing the things that made me want to live to be 100. I don't want to live forever. Ever visit an old folk's home?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 03/21/2009
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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then why not ban it altogether? make it impossible for people like me to buy cigarettes anymore. its seems that the states are okay with people dying from tobacco as long as they have a steady revenue stream from the people who are addicted to the stuff.

hypocrisy at it's worst.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 03/21/2009
- SamKnause I'm a Fan of SamKnause 77 fans permalink

How ironic you mentioned Superman, Christopher Reeves, since his wife died from lung cancer and never smoked a day in her life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 03/21/2009
- dac253 I'm a Fan of dac253 24 fans permalink
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Either you're misusing the word ironic, or I just missed it all together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 03/21/2009
- crablover I'm a Fan of crablover 25 fans permalink

And Virginia STILL has one of the lowest cigarette tax rates in the country, because state legislators are owned by big tobacco in Richmond.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 03/21/2009
- PepeLepew I'm a Fan of PepeLepew 325 fans permalink
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Still, they managed to pass a smoking ban in Virginia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 03/21/2009
- pk4obama I'm a Fan of pk4obama 11 fans permalink

it's unfortunate that they have to target smokers and what is taxed for the non-smokers? Pick a different tax that would fairly tax every tax payer in this US. Raise the sales tax in your states...this tax is unbalanced as far as who pays and who doesn't.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 03/21/2009
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Funny how all those states are ones that are working to break the American Auto Workers Unions but subsidize the foreign auto makers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 03/21/2009
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I suppose the next tax will be on the amount of time that you spend outside of your homes?
How ridiculous and penny-anti can one get?

They're chewing your Constitution to shreds and nobody, in your so-called government, is taking a stand?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 03/21/2009
- crablover I'm a Fan of crablover 25 fans permalink

Please show just where in the constitution is smoking delineated as a right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 03/21/2009
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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smoking tobacco pre-dates the constitution in this country. show me where in the constitution where smoking tobacco is banned.
they tried it once with alcohol...didn't work out so well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 03/21/2009
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Try these two amendments for starters:

* Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

* Tenth Amendment – Powers of states and people.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 03/21/2009
- AngusC I'm a Fan of AngusC 25 fans permalink
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No, the next tax will be an AIR tax.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 03/21/2009

Why not decriminalize and regulate weed, tax it and tobacco alike. Schools, healthcare, etc. are not free. Taxes need to be adequate to do the job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 03/21/2009
- SamKnause I'm a Fan of SamKnause 77 fans permalink

The argument for raising taxes is to help balance the state budgets. When no one can afford cigarettes what will they come after next? Sugar (it is bad for you, soft drinks), fast food (too fatty, high cholesterol, bad for your heart), dangerous hobbies ( four wheeling, skiing, horseback riding, etc., raises health care, trips to emergency rooms), meat eaters ( eating meat grilled outside causes cancer), people who have speeding tickets ( causes unsafe conditions on the highways), etc. The sin tax on cigarettes is suppose to pay for our uninsured children. I don't know if that is the state tax or the federal tax on cigarettes, but I think it is the federal tax. When no one can afford cigarettes something else will be classified as a sin and it will be taxed. We are little by little losing our freedoms in this country. Facts are made up by experts to persuade legislatures to vote a certain way. Until they know the reason why so many people in the U.S. get and die from cancer every year the cigarette has been the number one demonized cause. Many people die from lung cancer every year that have never smoked. Pesticides, pollution, mercury, poisons etc. are put on the back burner because it is easier to manipulate the public against smokers instead of going after the corrupt corporations that harm all of our health.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 03/21/2009

Couldn't have said it better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 AM on 03/24/2009
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 643 fans permalink
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while you're at it, might want to raise the tax on booze and other "nonessentials"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 03/21/2009
- dac253 I'm a Fan of dac253 24 fans permalink
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like tea?

I say go for it. Raise the taxes so high no one will be able to afford anything.

"...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 03/21/2009
- Woggles I'm a Fan of Woggles 8 fans permalink

Tax it so much so people won't smoke anymore, then you won't have any revenue. Ya! good plan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 03/21/2009

Where does it say that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 03/21/2009
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Wake up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 03/21/2009
- SamKnause I'm a Fan of SamKnause 77 fans permalink

Exactly!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 03/21/2009
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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it WILL get to that point when the monies gained from the over-taxing of tobacco will start to dwindle, and one day (albeit many years from now) will pretty much dry up altogether. then what will they tax to make up for the lost revenue?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 03/21/2009
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Your television viewing time?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 03/21/2009
- dac253 I'm a Fan of dac253 24 fans permalink
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If the past has taught me anything, I'd say salt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 03/21/2009
- crablover I'm a Fan of crablover 25 fans permalink

Still lots of vices to tax.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 03/21/2009

You know that cancer therapy is expensive, right? And lung cancer is mostly related to smoking. It's one of the few cancers that one can actually avoid by living healthy. So whatever we would lose on the revenue side, we would make up for in health care savings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 03/21/2009
- dac253 I'm a Fan of dac253 24 fans permalink
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If we sign waivers, denying health care for smoking related illnesses, can we cut me and millions of Americans a break? I already don't smoke in the restaurants, bars, or 30' from any entrance to public buildings.

I don't want to put anyone else out; I just wanna have a smoke once in awhile.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 03/21/2009

Except that we actually save money over the long run because smokers generally don't live as long. This entails a net savings on medicare and social security.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 03/21/2009
- Pammy1151 I'm a Fan of Pammy1151 9 fans permalink
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The tax on cigarettes have gone up for everything. I am a smoker and have no problem with paying the tax if it goes for a good cause like the childrens health bill. However, that being said why is it that the state I live in hasn't raised the tax on alcohol for 18 years. Why should one bad habit be taxed and not another????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 03/21/2009
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Good question.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 03/21/2009
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 643 fans permalink
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I was just going to post something similar

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 03/21/2009
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Smoking is not a bad habit regardless of what "they" say. Smoked all my life, nigh onto 70 years worth and never had a problem. Course, I don't have the high taxes like you. $1.30 per pack is an increase from the $.90 per pack of a few years ago.
Still, it's my body, my choice and I'll go out with one between my fingers!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 03/21/2009
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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$1.30 a pack?!! where do you live?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 03/21/2009
- Indie2008 I'm a Fan of Indie2008 44 fans permalink

I do not smoke, and would like it banned in restaurants and indoor public places; however I am not anti tobacco or against the private use of it. I have always suspected that some of the worst dangers from tobacco are the chemicals in the product and not the natural weed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 03/21/2009

It may not be a bad habit but it is nevertheless responsible for the majority of all lung cancers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 03/21/2009
- PepeLepew I'm a Fan of PepeLepew 325 fans permalink
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$1.30 a pack? Where is that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 03/21/2009
- crablover I'm a Fan of crablover 25 fans permalink

That's wonderful. I'm so happy for you. Please promise that you won't ask for a dime of medicare money when you're finally hospitalized. Exercise your "personal responsibility."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 03/21/2009
- Emerald1943 I'm a Fan of Emerald1943 311 fans permalink
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I wish I had half the money back I've spent TRYING to quit! Filters, patches, gum, cold turkey, hypnosis, pills....all to no avail. This tax is so unfair to those of us who have really tried but have been unable to.

I agree with other posters....legalize pot and tax it! Cut out the illegal trade!

Leave us poor smokers alone!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 03/21/2009
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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you have my sympathy. I've been through it all, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 03/21/2009
- Emerald1943 I'm a Fan of Emerald1943 311 fans permalink
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Thanks! It has been the biggest battle of my life!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 03/21/2009

My Mom was a smoker for almost 30 years. One day she decided to quit. No patch, no nothing. She had a hard couple of months. She hasn't smoked since, except for once. After the first puff she became nauseous and couldn't believe she had ever smoked in her life.

Forget about the patch. That's the pharmaceutical industry cashing in on you.

Cold turkey and keep doing it, no matter how you feel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 03/21/2009
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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tried it. trust me, not everyone's system is the same. it's like assuming that ALL people who drink have the ability to simply give it up.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 03/21/2009
- crablover I'm a Fan of crablover 25 fans permalink

My mother continued to smoke, even after she had a heart attack. Cancer finally killed her.
Let's treat smoking for it is: an addiction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 03/21/2009
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What? Taxes on a great American product? Never!!! Don't you realize that tobacco is as American as mom and apple pie? Some of America's first exported goods were tobacco. My gawd, where are we going in America? chuckle chuckle chuckle

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 03/21/2009
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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fast food is also as American as Mom and apple pie. let's tax the heII out of that too. how many hearts give out each year due to the fats contained in fries and Big Macs etc. .......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 03/21/2009
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Oh, yes, Oh, yes, Oh, yes yes yes. I hope that was as satifying for you as it was for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 03/21/2009
- crablover I'm a Fan of crablover 25 fans permalink

Amen. Just wait until the bill comes due for the diabetes treatment of all of the victims of fast food.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 03/21/2009
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Apple pie isn't American.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 03/21/2009

Butter sticks. If you want to start with what kills people, start with butter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 03/21/2009
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Rub it on the outside of the body, then it doesn't kill people but helps to make them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 03/21/2009
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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I get the feeling that you'd be okay with taxing everything but tofu, goats milk and alfalfa sprouts...

; )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 03/21/2009

How about going after the Tax Cheats robbing the treasury blind!

They are gorging themselves on the savings that keep America running and using it to buy fancy vacations. While they let our state collapse.

Tax them for everything. They owe every penny of it. Pull our military from a useless war and send them to the real one, the caribbean tax havens. Impound it all.

Once we have their ill gotten loot, we can concentrate on the next big problem, all our "allies" expecting tariff free importing into our country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 03/21/2009
- crablover I'm a Fan of crablover 25 fans permalink

We could start by redesigning and printing new money overnight. Allow about a week for the exchange of old dollars for new. Impose a 1% tax on each exchange. Watch all the laundered cash get wrung out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 03/21/2009
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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interesting idea!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 03/21/2009
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At a certain point, increased tobacco taxes raise less money than the cost of prosecuting and incarcerating cigarette smugglers. There is a limit as to how much tax is effective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 03/21/2009
- TrueIndy08 I'm a Fan of TrueIndy08 30 fans permalink

I have been saying for YEARS that we need to make a higher tax on alcohol and tobacco products... those things are an addiction, its not people will just stop buying them..... our state CA can balance the budget by doing this...... in all bad things there is a punishment. Smoking or chewing tobacco is bad for your health.... excessive alcohol use is bad for your liver.....

when you do bad things, you get punished.... that punishment is higher taxes so we can balance our budgets!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 03/21/2009
- nobozos I'm a Fan of nobozos 13 fans permalink

When the little guy does "bad" things, the little guy gets punished.
When the rich do "bad" things, they get rewarded.

I'd like to see them tax the churches. I subsidize my small town's churches (one on every corner) with my property taxes....for infrastructure, roads, addition sewer and water lines, and with so many religions advocating the huge families, the building of school after school.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 03/21/2009
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You are so right...here in the South the Mega Churches truly stretch the definition of Non-profit. But you could also add higher taxes on guns and beer to the mix..Oh, how about 1.00 added to the price of any Alabama/Auburn football ticket?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 03/21/2009
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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great idea- at least tax any benefits that a pastor/minister/rabbi etc. and their families receive as income.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 03/21/2009
- TheImpaler I'm a Fan of TheImpaler 12 fans permalink
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If you realize that cigarettes are an addiction why would you want to punish people who are sick? Unless you don’t see an addiction as a health issue itself, in which case you are ignorant and have been for many years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 03/21/2009
- TrueIndy08 I'm a Fan of TrueIndy08 30 fans permalink

sorry.... thats a sickness someone chose, not one that they were unfortunate to get.... addiction to tobacco is not cancer

Get real.... don't smoke.... we are told that since we were kids.... thick headed idiots just didn't listen and then expect people to have sympathy....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 03/21/2009
- doctorwang I'm a Fan of doctorwang 196 fans permalink
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I guess you'd be for placing an additional $10 a bottle tax on wine, then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 03/21/2009
- TrueIndy08 I'm a Fan of TrueIndy08 30 fans permalink

why not.... if you want it, you'll pay for it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 03/21/2009
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Think how much revenue we'd generate if we taxed all things unhealthy -

obesity
cholesterol
carbon dioxide
jaywalking

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 03/21/2009
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Don't forget

lack of exercising
not taking nature walks
couch potato syndrome

and there are many many more

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 03/21/2009

You can't tax obesity because it's discrimination.

You can't tax cholesterol. It's mostly being produced by your own body.

You can tax carbon dioxide that come from fossil fuels. No need to tax CO2 produced by your body because that carbon came from plants which took it from the air.

Jaywalking is already taxed... you can get a ticket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 03/21/2009
- rodeman I'm a Fan of rodeman 3 fans permalink

"when you do bad things, you get punished.... that punishment is higher taxes so we can balance our budgets!"

The question is when is enough, enough? In 1967 the tax on a pack of cigarettes in Calif was .07 cents. In 1999 it had grown to .87 cents a pack. The state of Calif actually thought consumption of cigarettes had decreased because of their lower tax revenue collection..........duh.

Calif has lost millions of dollars in tax revenue because of internet sales, border sales, and Native American sales.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 03/21/2009
- ILibertine I'm a Fan of ILibertine 23 fans permalink
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Just when I'm ready to start smoking again, acct. all of the bad news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 03/21/2009
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