Geithner To Propose Vast Expansion Of U.S. Oversight Of Financial System

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MARTIN CRUTSINGER | March 26, 2009 11:24 PM EST | AP

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House Financial Services Committee Chairman Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., opens a hearing on President Obama's proposals for an extensive overhaul of financial regulations, with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, there to defend the plan, Thursday, March 26, 2009, on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration's aggressive plan for strict scrutiny of hedge funds and other freewheeling investors, part of the biggest expansion of financial restraints since the Great Depression, is drawing instant opposition from Republican lawmakers and the rules' targets. And skeptics are questioning whether the new rulebook would work anyway.

Wall Street wizards have proved adept at designing complex financial products to sidestep existing regulations. And Vincent Reinhart, former director of monetary affairs at the Federal Reserve, says, "You're going to see firms try to figure out how to be under the radar."

For example, private equity investors might try to buy large hedge funds and chop them into funds that would be small enough to operate unregulated, Reinhart said.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, unveiling the plan Thursday, said the nation's economic crisis demands bold action.

"We need much stronger standards for openness, transparency and plain commonsense language throughout the financial system," he told the House Financial Services Committee.

The administration's proposals, which require congressional approval, include:

_ Imposing tougher standards on financial institutions that are judged to be so big that their failure would threaten the entire system.

_ Extending federal regulation for the first time to all trading in financial derivatives _ exotic instruments such as credit default swaps that are blamed for much of the economic carnage.

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_ Requiring larger hedge funds and other private pools of capital, including private equity and venture capital funds, to register with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

_ Creating a regulator to monitor the biggest institutions. Geithner did not say which agency should wield such authority, but the administration is expected to favor the Federal Reserve.

_ Empowering the government to take over major nonbank financial firms such as insurers and hedge funds if deemed necessary.

Committee Chairman Barney Frank, D-Mass., and many Democrats on the panel backed the proposals, while Republicans assailed them as too far-reaching.

Private analysts also questioned whether Geithner's plan would succeed in safeguarding the financial system.

"We're not in this mess because we need new rules," said Bill Fleckenstein, a Seattle-based hedge fund manager who accurately predicted the housing bubble. "We need to enforce the rules we already have," he said. "What we had was a complete breakdown by all our regulators. They simply didn't do their jobs."

And Fleckenstein said he didn't think requiring big hedge funds to register with the government would prevent devastating frauds like Bernard Madoff's Ponzi scheme.

"You could register all 10,000 hedge funds, and it probably would just overwhelm the regulator," he said.

Timothy Brog, portfolio manager of New York-based hedge fund Locksmith Capital Management, said stricter rules won't work properly if regulators become bogged down in policing individual funds rather than monitoring the investment products they trade. These include derivatives and mortgage-backed securities.

"It's not hedge funds that are a problem," Brog said. "The problem is the instruments they are trading. A $100 million hedge fund is not going to have a material effect on the overall market."

The outline of the regulatory plan was announced a week before President Barack Obama was to meet for talks with the Group of 20 major industrialized and developing countries to discuss solutions to the global crisis. European countries have said the U.S., where the financial problems began, must toughen its regulatory system.

The administration's plan also includes a provision that Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke discussed before the committee on Tuesday: to give the administration expanded powers to take over major nonbank financial institutions, such as insurance companies and hedge funds.

That power is aimed at preventing a repeat of the problems surrounding insurance giant American International Group Inc. AIG sparked a furor with news that it had distributed $165 million in bonuses to its financial products group. That unit specialized in trading credit default swaps, the derivatives that drove the company to near-collapse last fall.

The administration sent Congress a bill calling for the expanded powers to seize control of nonbank institutions late Wednesday. Frank has said this measure could win approval within weeks. And he said the administration's broader regulatory overhaul could win House approval by summer.

But Republicans wondered whether the overhaul would give federal regulators too much power.

"Forgive me if I am a skeptic ... when I hear that if we only have a systemic regulator it will never happen again," Rep. Scott Garrett, R-N.J., told Geithner.

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., a member of the Senate Banking Committee, praised Geithner's proposal as a "good first outline." But he said it would probably require "some major consolidating and rearranging" of regulatory agencies. Four separate agencies now regulate banks _ a system critics say produces overlapping lines of authority.

At a Senate Banking Committee hearing, SEC Chairman Mary Schapiro and key senators agreed it could be harmful for any one regulator to become too powerful.

"The devil is in the details," Schapiro said, adding she was concerned that "we don't create a monolithic entity."

To try to build support for the proposal, Obama is to meet Friday with major bank executives.

The proposal on credit default swaps and other derivatives would regulate the trading far more extensively. Some derivatives, such as stock options, already are regulated because they are traded on exchanges. The administration would expand regulation to derivatives that now trade mainly in the over-the-counter market, outside regulatory scrutiny.

Credit default swaps are contracts to insure against the default of certain debt. They played a key role in the downfall of investment banking giant Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. last fall and nearly destroyed AIG.

Larger hedge funds, private equity funds and venture capital funds above a certain level in assets would have to register with the SEC. Regulators would examine their books to determine if they should face greater scrutiny.

Hedge funds have grown explosively in recent years while operating secretively. They have lured an increasing number of ordinary investors, pension funds and university endowments _ meaning millions of people now unwittingly invest in hedge funds indirectly.

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AP Business Writers Marcy Gordon and Daniel Wagner in Washington, and Stevenson Jacobs in New York contributed to this report.

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- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 578 fans permalink
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GOOD.

We've seen where no oversight got us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 03/26/2009
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Yep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 03/26/2009
- ByersL I'm a Fan of ByersL 48 fans permalink

Ok, time to take this puppy down and put up the GOP budget plan!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 03/26/2009
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Here is the GOP Outline:

1. Healthcare For All and Cut the Insurance Corruption, Medical Overcharging, and excesses to help pay for it! When a outpatient hernia repair cost $30,000 there is something very wrong!

2. Green Energy Program - We can NOT afford to PAY OIL COMPANY PROFITS and our Enemies while hurting our Planet and fighting wars to meet our OIL NEEDS!

3. Our Schools are in CHAOS and we have to improve teaching, school infrastructure, and Management if we are to build a NEW High Tech Green Manufacturing Economy.

4. We can not afford to pay the World's Safety Bill anymore and we can not have open ended contracts that let military suppliers/manufacturers steal us BLIND!

If you want to cut then:

1. Reduce Our Energy COSTS (especially in Government) that made us a debtor nation
2. Tax OIL imports
3. Removing Tax Cuts for the Rich and increasing capital gains Tax
4. More efficient Automobiles reducing our imports and build wealth
5. Cut the military contracts and spending to meet OUR needs- NOT Goals of Bush ERA
6. Cut Corporate Welfare in Agriculture/other Areas
7. Cut Waste in Government in every department
8. Suspend a program for one month and see how many complain
9. Freeze Pay increases for two years
10. Collect Taxes from the wealthy who hide 1/3rd of their income and close loopholes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 03/26/2009
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The GOP would never support a single one of those ideas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 03/26/2009
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I thought you said that was the GOP outline?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 03/26/2009
- bac59447 I'm a Fan of bac59447 11 fans permalink

Is this the GOP platform from Bizarro world?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 03/26/2009
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 118 fans permalink
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Nice pipe dream.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 03/26/2009
- Gunwing I'm a Fan of Gunwing 5 fans permalink

I think you mean thats the Democrat plan. The Republicans want the upper 1% to prosper, while the lower 99% suffer in the real world.

That or you got all turned around some where down the line in the political mess that is the US right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 03/26/2009
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You mean the spending freeze and the tax cuts for the extremely rich?

That's the GOP plan.

That's always the GOP plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 03/26/2009
- dsws I'm a Fan of dsws 14 fans permalink
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What spending freeze? They love spending, as long as it's a new weapon system or a no-bid contract for Haliburton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 03/26/2009
- Xavieer I'm a Fan of Xavieer 90 fans permalink
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Pg 1....Title: "How much tax could a neo-con cut, If a neo-con could cut tax"..........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 03/26/2009
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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ROFFLE-MAO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 03/26/2009
- KDH I'm a Fan of KDH 21 fans permalink
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LMAO !!!!...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 03/26/2009
- kennybean I'm a Fan of kennybean 21 fans permalink
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LOL, excellent!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 03/26/2009
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ROTFLMAO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 03/26/2009
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Yeah, that'll be a laugh riot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 03/26/2009
- forpeace I'm a Fan of forpeace 342 fans permalink
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ByersL
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The only problem with your comment is that .......... those i d i o t Republicans do NOT even have a budget plan or any other plan!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 03/26/2009
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USE TOOLS WE HAVE NOW:

Dislodge Elite Executives and takeover AIG and Banks NOW using rules and agencies like the FDIC. NO WAITING for new RULES! Save TAXPAYER MONEY!

Geithner already said he would not use this new facility/laws for the current crisis so then use the existing laws! Lame EXCUSE!

This is simply an excuse to let Executives survive intact with their S1CK culture to do the entire thing again and with a lot less competition!

Protecting Elite Executives: NOT "1" Executive has been Fired, Fined, Investigated, or Prosecuted and this is a BIGGER SCAM than ENRON with zero actions to date!

He seems plenty creative when it comes to using the FDIC as a Big Hedge Fund that will take a fall for the Banks!dislodge the Elite Executives and takeover AIG and the Banks they have plenty of ways to do it now with agencies like the FDIC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 03/26/2009
- dsws I'm a Fan of dsws 14 fans permalink
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They can't do anything to hedge funds and so on, under current law. The SEC tried to in 2006, and a court said no.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/23/AR2006062300860.html

They need the new law that Geithner was asking for today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 03/26/2009
- Gunwing I'm a Fan of Gunwing 5 fans permalink

Thats the problem. The FDIC "thanks to Bush" dose not have any legal athority to regulate AIG or any other Investment firm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 03/26/2009

I see that the naked pics of Cindy Crawford are still very popular on HP.

No wonder the market is stimulated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 03/26/2009
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Stimulates my package, so to speak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 03/26/2009
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 578 fans permalink
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TMI

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 03/26/2009
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LOL

Are you going to be around on Fri or Sat night, elsewhere?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 03/26/2009
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I think a lot of folks will be around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 03/26/2009
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But of course!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 03/26/2009

OIC...I'm not online at night (my time) much anymore...since I got married ;) But I am around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 03/26/2009
- KO4Pres I'm a Fan of KO4Pres 191 fans permalink
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You betcha!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 03/26/2009
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Naked pics? Where damni t? Where?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 03/26/2009
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Entertainment Section.

Lathered!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 03/26/2009
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That's hot!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 03/26/2009
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 118 fans permalink
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That is known as a Tit-for-tat plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 03/26/2009
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We've been looking for you, Wonka.

Do you have a safe email I can send something to?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 03/26/2009
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Regulation is the only way we can assure greedy people won't destroy our economy again.

F me once, shame on you.

F me twice, shame on me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 03/26/2009

Greedy people are the only people who can rescue the economy, they are the only ones unwilling to settle for what the government gives them....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 03/26/2009
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How dreadfully fooIish.

I'm sure your momma loves you anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 03/26/2009
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Objectivism is d e a d .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 03/26/2009

Right, it's NEVER enough for these vampires.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 03/26/2009
- helenwheels I'm a Fan of helenwheels 578 fans permalink
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Ha ha ha ha ha!!! I hope you're not serious?!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 03/26/2009
- smitallica I'm a Fan of smitallica 17 fans permalink
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Save it, Rand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 03/26/2009
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And the complete dismantling of the GOP would be another good safe guard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 03/26/2009
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Break it down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 03/26/2009
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My hands are tied.;-P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 03/26/2009
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;-P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 03/26/2009
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 118 fans permalink
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Kinky.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 03/26/2009
- cdub1991 I'm a Fan of cdub1991 63 fans permalink

"Such a regime would be relatively decentralized but more rational than the current patchwork system of financial authorities, which dates to the Civil War, supporters say."

So what's the operational difference between a "decentralized" system and a "patchwork" system? Just curious. I thought part of the original problem was that there were a lot of regulatory bodies but insufficient control. What's changing to insure that there still won't be a lot of bodies that aren't sufficiently integrated to work effectively together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 03/26/2009
- dsws I'm a Fan of dsws 14 fans permalink
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A decentralized system has decisions being made all over the place, but may be designed systematically. A patchwork system has parts that have accumulated with no plan, but may include a central authority that has to deal with all the mismatched pieces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 03/26/2009

Maybe the Republican budget was sent from God? I mean did Boehner show up with the "New, New Testement" that says thou shalt torture all who oppose you, and make sure that you give the rich some more tax cuts. Those tablets must be heavy and I wouldn't want to have to carry them downstairs to a presser either.

Maybe they could take a picture of them and post them on the RNC website.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 03/26/2009

New rules: From now on, you will give all of your money to bail out my friends, and will continue to do so without questions.

Our president continues to disappoint me....but at least it's not a republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 03/26/2009
- dsws I'm a Fan of dsws 14 fans permalink
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Without questions? What have you been reading: one of the key points is that regulators will be able to demand answers from the hedge funds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 03/26/2009

F*ck with the hedge funds and all you will do is force them underground and offshore....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 03/26/2009
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From your mind, not from fact. It is apparent that you walk into a situation predetermined who is at fault.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 03/26/2009
- dsws I'm a Fan of dsws 14 fans permalink
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"It provided only a broad outline on many of the initiatives, leaving many thorny details to be worked out in Congress."

Aaargh. I want an actual plan, not just a statement that there ought to be one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 03/26/2009
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Hedge Funders manipulated the system constantly in their favor and hurt the people who wanted to invest for long term gains and retirement.

These folks took on thought for anyone but themselves. Every time they smile, their teeth drip with bl00d.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 03/26/2009

Prove it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 03/26/2009
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I am on your team BUB. Hadn't you noticed the game that continued to go on between 12 and 13 thousand in the market before it dumped?

How do you think it EVER got to 14K?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 03/26/2009
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Attacking your own when they make sense? Typical neocon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 03/26/2009

Not really, this is just the most current misunderstood scapegoat..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 03/26/2009
- Lazslo I'm a Fan of Lazslo 9 fans permalink

I admit, all this is above my head, I don't know how this affects me personally. But I think I'm pretty accurate is saying that the Obama administration is not intent on bringing puntive or legal actions against the companies that perpetrated the fraud that caused this economic mess. And there won't be any civil recourse for me or the millions of others that lost half the value in their retirement accounts. Previous Congresses and presidents made it possible for companies to not honor or offer pension plans over the last thirty years, and they helped set up tax laws that moved pension plans to personal retirement plans (401K), which now have lost all growth it supposedly accumulated over the past twenty years. Tens of millions of people will now not be able to retire over the next twenty-five years. The 401K system has been a scam from the beginning, we are learning now. How does Geithner's "new system of oversight" get the money in my 401K that was lost through no fault of my own? It doesn't and what I know is that our government has been gradually ensuring that low and middle income citizens will never be able to retire and will live lives of labor until the days of their death. Even Latin and South American countries allow their citizens to retire after a life of labor, and they are supposedly "third-world" countries. This is no American dream, not even close.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 03/26/2009

How does Geithner's "new system of oversight" get the money in my 401K that was lost through no fault of my own?"

Who made an investment choices in your 401K? Did you choose to invest in Equity or in equity mutual funds? So stop blaming others for choices YOU made

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 03/26/2009
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Good. Neocons losing money is hilarious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 03/26/2009
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If you are indeed, a proud NeoCon; you deserve to lose every cent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 03/26/2009

I find it hilarious that the "ownership society" is all over individual bad decisions but they just love to defend the irresponsible corporate actions that caused the bubble and bust economy that we are living with.

The ultimate example of individual responsibility would be to hold those corporations responsible for the mess they made. Of course that wouldn't fit the narrative so please keep up the good work. Without your kind of thinking Republicans might actually have a voice in the current government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 03/26/2009
- Lazslo I'm a Fan of Lazslo 9 fans permalink

If it's the only game in town, how is that a choice?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 03/26/2009
- cdub1991 I'm a Fan of cdub1991 63 fans permalink

The real problem is that, while there was some fraud occurring, the vast majority of the damage was done while conducting perfectly legal activities. Legal, but uncontrolled. Since that was the case, those activities became ends in themselves--completely divorced from the welfare of the total financial system and the human beings dependent upon it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 03/26/2009
- kburlz I'm a Fan of kburlz 23 fans permalink

"I don't know how this affects me personally."

It affects you personally because it will prevent the stock market, your 401K money, from not being subject to another bubble bursting like this one in the future. By regulating, we can tame bloated stock prices that inevitably crash. His toxic asset plan is intended to help stabalize the markets right now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 03/26/2009
- Lazslo I'm a Fan of Lazslo 9 fans permalink

Gee, thanks. But what about the losses that have already occurred? Millions of people who played by the rules and did evrything right cannot retire, despite what was promised. But as long as you're happy, well that's all that counts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 03/26/2009
- CarpeVino I'm a Fan of CarpeVino 7 fans permalink
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Do you realize that in the game of billiards you can get blue baIIs?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 03/26/2009
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knuckleheads vote republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 03/26/2009
- TheMavsIn6 I'm a Fan of TheMavsIn6 8 fans permalink

If you are raging against the machine, doesn't that mean you have a problem with Dems since they are the machine now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 03/26/2009
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True. Against you, Rage Against the Queef would be more apropos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 03/26/2009
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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run along. the grownups need to talk now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 03/26/2009
- Xavieer I'm a Fan of Xavieer 90 fans permalink
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That would be "draggers" Streak......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 03/26/2009
- sarabono I'm a Fan of sarabono 18 fans permalink

Geithner's stint on the hill this morning was a refreshing change. Grownups were actually discussing the issues at hand. Geithner's presentation was clear and understandable and the questions from the committee members showed some actual knowledge of the subjects and issues. (Maxine Waters skipped out today)

Geithner's proposals make a lot of since. Congress needs to get their act together and pass Tim's requests like next week. (That won't happen but they certainly could act within one month if Pilosi and Reid signed on.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 03/26/2009
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