Israel Drops Gaza Probe, Calls Claims Hearsay

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Huffington Post   |  Stuart Whatley
First Posted: 03-30-09 01:44 PM   |   Updated: 04-30-09 05:12 AM

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Israel has officially ended its investigative probe into any possible misconduct by Israeli troops during the Gaza incursion known as Operation Cast Lead earlier this year. The probe -- originally in response to incriminating conversations between soldiers at a military education conference that leaked to the press -- is now being called-off for lack of substantive evidence beyond hearsay, Israel says. As Haaretz reports:

[Military Advocate General Brig. Gen. Avichai Mendelblit] said it was unfortunate that the soldiers, who discussed their Gaza experiences in private on Feb. 13 at a military academy session which was later leaked verbatim to the media, had been careless about accuracy.


"It will be difficult to evaluate the damage done to the image and morals [of the armed forces] in Israel and the world", his statement said. In a press release issued Monday the army said that the preliminary Military Police investigation into the testimonies revealed that they "were based on hearsay and not first-hand experience."

The original incidents that spurred the investigation are now considered to have been tainted beyond the scope of admissibility by the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) soldiers' rumor-mill. Al Jazeera English has more on the troubling nature of the incidents in question:

Investigators highlighted two specific incidents which were widely reported, of the cold-blooded killing of civilians and allegations of deep contempt for Palestinians amid Israeli army ranks.


They said one a soldier who alleged that a comrade was given orders to shoot an elderly woman had not witnessed such an event and "was only repeating a rumour he had heard".


They said they noted that a woman who approached troops and was suspected of being a suicide bomber had been fired upon repeatedly to try to stop her advancing on them.

The New York Times reports further on the incident and the probe's findings. According to the IDF, the soldier from whom this account stemmed did not actually witness the event. And the fired shots in question are said to have been in the opposite direction, towards two suspicious men. From the Times:

Specifically, a soldier's claim that orders had been given to fire at an elderly Palestinian woman who entered a no-go zone was found to be based on a rumor, according to the military. Another case in which a soldier had supposedly been ordered to open fire at a woman and two children was also found not to have been witnessed by the soldier who gave the account.


"After checking the claim, it was found that during this incident a force had opened fire in a different direction, toward two suspicious men who were unrelated to the civilians in question," the statement said.


The allegations that arose from the conference at the academy and the wide coverage they received in the news media were troubling to many Israelis, most of whom are conscripted at the age of 18. Many Israelis view the army as a force that maintains high moral standards.

The Times story also notes criticism for the IDF's decision to end the investigation. Nine human rights groups in Israel have issued a statement claiming that such an abrupt ending is evidence of insufficiency. The groups are calling for an independent investigation as the only guarantee for objectivity.

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- vishix I'm a Fan of vishix 8 fans permalink
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Arab states want the palestinians caged up in gaza. They use it for propoganda with their local population and to stay in power. I see a lot of poster here are not smart enough to see through the arab leaders' agenda. People need to start looking at the big picture and see who's benefiting from all this.

Stop supporting the tyranny and violence perpetrated by hamas!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 PM on 03/31/2009

Youre blaming 'the Arabs' for Israels treatment of Palestinians?

Right. OK..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 03/31/2009
- vishix I'm a Fan of vishix 8 fans permalink
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obviously you've never read about the slaughter of palestinians by jordanians and other arab states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 03/31/2009
- RIXX I'm a Fan of RIXX 2 fans permalink

Your Problem is Pakistan!

Leave The ME!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 03/31/2009
- vishix I'm a Fan of vishix 8 fans permalink
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well pakistan is the most dangerous country in the world, but this is also important, but not as important as the pakistan situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 04/01/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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Last time I checked, it was the fault of the Israelis that Palestinians are caged up, not any Arab state. The official word is that the Egyptian border is closed because the EU pulled its international observers from the border crossing, and it's only done so because it's been excluding Hamas and favoring Fatah at the behest of Israel.

I suppose the Freudian slip was worth having you post -- at least you admit that the Gaza has been made into a cage by Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 04/01/2009

You seem not to have checked very well, since Palestinians in Arab states are often involuntarily confined to refugee camps. Moreover, prior to the terrorism of the Second Intifada, the borders between the WB, GS and Israel were quite open. They are closed now on account of the terrorism. I don't know why the Arab states keep them confined, but it seems rather cynical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 04/01/2009
- vishix I'm a Fan of vishix 8 fans permalink
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and Egypt is helping to cage them in too...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 04/01/2009
- vishix I'm a Fan of vishix 8 fans permalink
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Palestinians needs to stop whining and crying and face the fact they can't defeat Israel militarily. Instead of causing more suffering why can't they just give peace a chance?? They can fight all they want but it won't get them anywhere.

I know Islam commands them to fight, but they should try more peaceful methods. Firing rockets into Israeli cities won't solve anything just as it hasn't for the past 60 years.

Someone needs to teach them about Gandhi, Dr. King, Mandela.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 03/31/2009

Yeah why wont they all just lie down and die.

Why dont theyt just give up their whole culture and life to a brutal, unlawful occupying military.

Cant they see how much better the world would be if they just validated and legitimised Israel's grotesque institutionalized behavior and aquiesed to oppression.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 03/31/2009
- vishix I'm a Fan of vishix 8 fans permalink
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Yes they should just lay down and die like all the Indians, Blacks, and Africans. We can see how peaceful protests eradicated them from the planet.

It's so sad that they lost their culture too. You're right, giving peace a chance is stupid. Let's keep following the course! Neo-Con thinking at its worst folks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 03/31/2009
- almazza98 I'm a Fan of almazza98 15 fans permalink

I wish people understood, that Zionism is Racism on different levels. One the Jews are Superior to non-Jews. So Non-Jews don't have a right to human rights if human rights inconvenience the Jews in any way. Once you pass that layer of RACISM. Then they even have racism within their own people. The European Jews are superior to the other Jews, you would think the Middle Eastern Jews would be considered more authentic. but no, you must have white blood in you to be superior. So they easily could make comments like that and think its totally normal. and at the same time cry antisemitism for the remotest criticism, because they are superior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 04/01/2009
- RIXX I'm a Fan of RIXX 2 fans permalink

You should be busy there on Pak stories threatening and chanting the Invasion of Pak. When did you turn yourself into "ME scholar"??­.....lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 03/31/2009
- vishix I'm a Fan of vishix 8 fans permalink
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I have a lot of interests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 04/01/2009
- Wisdo I'm a Fan of Wisdo 43 fans permalink

Or the Blackfoot, or the Sioux or the Aztecs or the Australian Aborigines­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 04/01/2009
- vishix I'm a Fan of vishix 8 fans permalink
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that was mostly due to disease and weak immune systems...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 04/01/2009
- gbrooks I'm a Fan of gbrooks 85 fans permalink
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Ye olde deny strategy is getting, well, olde.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 03/31/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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You know, UN investigations and multiple international aid agencies are backing up the allegations, even if you're going to label every Gazan who was caught in the crossfire a liar. Israel is digging itself a hole that no amount of propaganda -- or militarism -- will get them out of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 03/31/2009

Hmmm....th­at is just not true.

Moreover, the rumors that were investigated were told by Israeli soldiers, not Gazans. Why not stick with the facts instead of trying to confuse people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 03/31/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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Really?

"Civilian targets, particularly homes and their occupants, appear to have taken the brunt of the attacks, but schools and medical facilities have also been hit," said one report by Radhika Coomaraswamy, the U.N. Secretary-General's Special Representative for Children and Armed Conflict.

Mr Falk said that in order to determine if the war was legal, it was necessary to assess whether Israeli forces could differentiate between civilian and military targets in Gaza.
"If it is not possible to do so, then launching the attacks is inherently unlawful, and would seem to constitute a war crime of the greatest magnitude under international law," Mr Falk's report says.
(Funny, isn't that the same arguement you use to condemn Hamas?)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/23/israel-committed-human-ri_n_178159.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 03/31/2009
- vishix I'm a Fan of vishix 8 fans permalink
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UN is impotent and useless. No one cares about the UN because they can't even decide what to order for lunch! hahaaha

Everyone is on Israel's side because people are sick of islamic terrorists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 03/31/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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Keep deluding yourself about that, bucko. Last I heard yet another supermarket chain in Europe is canceling on Israeli produce.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 03/31/2009

Everyone?

Close! Though it would be more accurate to say Israelis border and foriegn policies enjoy the support of NOBODY in the UN or elsewhere. In fact theyve been declared ILLEGAL by everybody.

Except, of course the US and ... erm ... that other global superpower­... oh ...yeah Micronesia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 03/31/2009
- lydia I'm a Fan of lydia 15 fans permalink
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The fact is that Israel has some serious credibility problem with the rest of the World i.e. the 194 members UN. Israel must honour the UN resolutions they signed off on. No point being a signatory of the UN yet set about ignoring and circumventing the rulings, murdering UN special envoys, peacekeepers, diplomats when the ruling doesn't suit.

Israel has ignored more UN resolutions than Saddam and Mugabe and yet continues to blatantly usurp the land of the indigenous inhabitants.

Obama has thrown his support behind Ban Ki Moon and the UN. The UN is to be respected. The Africans will stand behind him, China and Russia will support him and so will Turkey and the Muslims. Israel free reign has come to an end and it has used up all the neighbors' goodwill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 03/31/2009

I am fairly appalled by the number of self-styled liberal/progressive Robespierres on this thread demanding a GWB-style conviction on the basis of rumors. Why not just lock these guys (whom no one can seem to identify because all of the evidence is "someone told me that xyz happened") up at Guantanamo?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 03/31/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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Keep apologizing. Seriously. It will make the war crimes trials all the more rewarding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 03/31/2009

I see I've struck a nerve with you. Nothing of substance to contribute, I see?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 03/31/2009

"on the basis of rumors"

Clear unambiguous statements from respected IDF soldiers. Why do you disrespect the soldiers Jones? Do you think they are liars?

We need to hear more brave IDF soldiers stand up and speak for peace and for justice.
Here is a nice link to prove that many Israeli soldiers have a heart and soul, a conscience and a grasp of reality. Rather than the usual back and forth links showing crimes of the 'other' side, this one shows people rejecting violence and war. Enlightened pacifist Israelis. I like them.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8777

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 03/31/2009

"Clear unambiguous statements from respected IDF soldiers."

If you've been following the story, you would know that the people that reported the incidents said that they were not there, did not witness them, and had only heard about them from other people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 03/31/2009
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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I think it's very telling how quickly the Israeli government declared this "over."Whe­n US soldiers were accused of murdering Iraqi civilians, there were detailed investigations that weren't over in a week. Some were court-martialed and some were not. Same with Abu Grab. We also had our My Lai trial.

All of these produced cathartic shame.

Israel, which boasts it's a "democracy" is acting more like the old USSR -- a denial, a propagandistic "statement" (the world's most moral army) and then -- investigation over!

Sorry, this isn't credible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 03/31/2009

Scores of primary first-hand witnesses isnt 'rumor'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 03/31/2009

First, let me clear the air of any thoughts of my anti-this or my anti-that. My entire life concerns have been based on my beliefs in pro-truth and pro-people. At many junctures a government or group investigating oneself is like the fox investigating the fox in the henhouse. The investigation was dropped due to a lack of substantive evidence, really. Could this lack of substantive evidence be due to the fact that you don’t want a thorough investigation to find out the truth or you know the truth and you don’t care? The Nazis were brought to justice due to the fact that evidence was presented before the world. Israel as well as other nations, things that are performed in the dark of night shall be brought unto the light. Maybe not today or tomorrow, but it shall come to pass. You may attempt to hide the atrocities you have committed, but as with the Nazis, your inhumanness toward people shall come to be known. If this is the path you wish to follow, then that which you sow, so shall you reap? The Nazis atrocities should make us all shutter to think that we continue to treat people in an inhumane manner. The Almighty is watching us from a distance resonates clearly in my mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 03/31/2009

So, your "beliefs in pro-truth and pro-people" make you think that a conviction by rumor is the way to go?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 03/31/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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This wasn't even a proper investigation, so don't conflate it with conviction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 03/31/2009
- omobob I'm a Fan of omobob 39 fans permalink
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Conviction? Conviction? This isn’t going to trail? Didn”t you read the article? Israel is NOT going to investigate charges of war crimes. The Israelis have already justified the killing of 500 hundred civilians. The Israelis have already justified the use of white phosphorus on civilian populations. They are not going to cop to IDF war crimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 03/31/2009

If you never investigate a rumor, how do you find out what is truth. You missed the point. Not fully investigating, tells you a lot about the situation. Not investigating leaves you with the conclusion that they do not want to know the truth or the real truth is known. I don't recall convicting anyone. Truth convicts without the presence of you or me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 03/31/2009
- AdamX I'm a Fan of AdamX 13 fans permalink

Always quick to judge Israel. Always slow to judge the "Palestinians". What is up with you people? Your judgements are based on what facts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 03/31/2009
- omobob I'm a Fan of omobob 39 fans permalink
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Anytime a large well funded and wholly mechanized military force, combine with a Nationalistic Government which forces a racial minority into ghettos and camps then slaughters them 1,300 to 22 decent folks are bound to notice and demandacco­untabilty. Now was I talking about Gaza or the Warsaw Ghetto in ’44?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 03/31/2009
- Alvin4NY I'm a Fan of Alvin4NY 24 fans permalink
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My judgement is based in compassion, for all people, not just a select few.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 03/31/2009
- Hazbara I'm a Fan of Hazbara 3 fans permalink

70 tons of smuggled weapons into Gaza.
Next time you see secondary explosions
Do not wonder why.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 03/31/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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We don't wonder. Some of us know how bunker buster bombs work so secondary explosions aren't actually surprising to us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 03/31/2009
- omobob I'm a Fan of omobob 39 fans permalink
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Readers should know Hazbara is an Israeli non Government Website, maintained by the non Government of Israel's Information Division, providing information about Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 03/31/2009
- vishix I'm a Fan of vishix 8 fans permalink
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Israelis have an uphill battle against these terrorists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 03/31/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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If by "these terrorists" you mean "the rest of the civilized world that wants to enforce international law and maintain peace and standards of justice an human dignity"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 03/31/2009

Palestinians have an uphill battle against blood-lusting, land-coveting rogue state Israel

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 03/31/2009

When any organization investigates itself for wrong doing....a­ll you get at the end is a bunch of poo poo. The tragedy is that the MSM would give this latest poo poo airtime or blog space. Based on the conclusion of this recent announcement I guess the 900-1400 dead Gazans just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. No harm no foul.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 03/31/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 161 fans permalink
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Think about this:
If Israel was targeting Hamas, why didn't it go after Hamas as it did in the past when it killed 6 civilians, and previous such assassinations?
Why did Israel block all the borders and prevent everyone from leaving?
Why did Israel keep out the press preventing them from covering this invasion and after videotape of the atrocities started to leak out, did they bomb the facilities of the only remaining press in Gaza?
Why did Israel target medics who were running to collect bodies and the wounded under a barrage of gunfire when there is actual videotape showing that these individuals were unarmed and risking their lives to pick up the wounded?
Why did Israel prevent medical equipment and supplies from entering during the invasion and then after world pressure and outrage allow only a few convoys in?
Why are so many hospitals, clinics and schools gutted?
Why were so many civilians over 900 and over 400 children killed and close to 5500 injured?

We all know the answer to all these questions.

Last week they were busy fudging the casualty figures and this week they drop their investigation.
Obviously, they don't want to incriminate themselves, but the videotape is there, the forensic evidence is there, and the witness testimony is there.

Fudging the facts is what they do. Research other massacres and the killing of foreigners by the IDF.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 03/31/2009
- chaos4700 I'm a Fan of chaos4700 85 fans permalink
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Keep asking these questions, skia, you've cut to the real heart of the matter!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 03/31/2009
- Alvin4NY I'm a Fan of Alvin4NY 24 fans permalink
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Someone gets a Gold Star. They did their homework.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 03/31/2009
- vishix I'm a Fan of vishix 8 fans permalink
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Why did Israel block all the borders and prevent everyone from leaving?

It's a warzone.

Why did Israel keep out the press preventing them from covering this invasion and after videotape of the atrocities started to leak out, did they bomb the facilities of the only remaining press in Gaza?

It's a warzone.

Why did Israel target medics who were running to collect bodies and the wounded under a barrage of gunfire when there is actual videotape showing that these individuals were unarmed and risking their lives to pick up the wounded?

It's a warzone.

Why did Israel prevent medical equipment and supplies from entering during the invasion and then after world pressure and outrage allow only a few convoys in?

It's a warzone, and why would they want hamas soldiers to survive?

Why are so many hospitals, clinics and schools gutted?

Hamas was hiding in them.

Why were so many civilians over 900 and over 400 children killed and close to 5500 injured?

Hamas hides between civilians for propaganda purposes.

I'll be happy to answer any other questions you may have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 03/31/2009
- Wisdo I'm a Fan of Wisdo 43 fans permalink

yes of course, Its a warzone. And everybody knows you can do anything you want to civilians in a warzone. Its not as if there are any rules whatsoever.

Its not as if, after the atrocities committed in WWII, the nations of the world committed themselves to a set of rules of engagement in war, which prohibit the sort of mass civilian casualties in the prosecution of war which Israel achieves on an annual basis. Prohibits interference with medical personnel and journalists even.

Its not as if any person with a conscience, knowing that although a guy with some small arms is hiding in a hospital, descides to BLOW THE WHOLE HOSPITAL TO KINDOM COME AND CIVILIANS BE DAMMNED, would be considered a dangerous psycopath.

No Sir. You just go and declare yourself a warzone, and you can liquidate yourself an ethnic group. Thats the rules apparently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 04/01/2009
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 62 fans permalink

an israeli whitewash . . . Amnesty wants an independent investigation . . and that is exactly what should happen .. .we know israel doesn't tell the truth . . . they didn't want journalists near enough to know what was happening . . . . and they certainly aren't going to take their army to task for following orders . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 03/31/2009
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Israel, your day will come and when it does you'll have no one behind you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 03/31/2009
- skialethia I'm a Fan of skialethia 161 fans permalink
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Think about this:
If Israel was targeting Hamas, why didn't it go after Hamas as it did in the past when it killed 6 civilians, and previous such assassinations?
Why did Israel block all the borders and prevent everyone from leaving?
Why did Israel keep out the press preventing them from covering this invasion and after videotape of the atrocities started to leak out, did they bomb the facilities of the only remaining press in Gaza?
Why did Israel target medics who were running to collect bodies and the wounded under a barrage of gunfire when there is actual videotape showing that these individuals were unarmed and risking their lives to pick up the wounded?
Why did Israel prevent medical equipment and supplies from entering during the invasion and then after world pressure and outrage allow only a few convoys in?
Why are so many hospitals, clinics and schools gutted?
Why were so many civilians over 900 and over 400 children killed and close to 5500 injured?

We all know the answer to all these questions.

Last week they were busy fudging the casualty figures and this week they drop their investigation.
Obviously, they don't want to incriminate themselves, but the videotape is there, the forensic evidence is there, and the witness testimony is there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 03/31/2009
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 62 fans permalink

another israeli whitewash . . . and there was really no operation cast lead and really over 1400 Palestinians did not die .. and israel doesn't break international law every day . . . our government is complicit in all these crimes . . . because are sending aid by the millions to this rogue state . . . sick disgusting and criminal . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 03/31/2009
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Did they look at the white phosphorus?
Was the bombed UN school that we have pictures of just hearsay?
What about the peace activist Doctor's dead daughters? (His home was clearly identified to Jewish authorities, and was targeted twice)

Murdering the children of those Palestinians who want to make peace with Israel - was a war crime. The evidence went live over the internet.

I am one of Israel's most firm supporters, but this time, they were wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 AM on 03/31/2009

The investigation was about the specific incidents alleged by some IDF soldiers, not a general investigation of everything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 03/31/2009
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