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Signs recession nears bottom, but layoffs persist

CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER   04/ 2/09 06:52 PM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — Fresh signs that factories are coming back to life and a bank CEO's encouraging outlook fueled more hopes Thursday that the economy may soon emerge from the cellar, briefly lifting the Dow Jones industrials over 8,000 for the first time in two months.

The job market, among the last to turn around in an economic recovery, remains weak, though. New claims for unemployment last week were worse than forecast, and Friday's reading on how many jobs the nation lost in March is widely expected to be grim.

At the G-20 meeting of world powers in London, President Barack Obama said international agreements, including a plan to commit $1.1 trillion to fight the downturn, were a "turning point in our pursuit of global economic recovery."

The Commerce Department said orders for manufactured goods rose 1.8 percent in February, reversing six straight monthly declines and easily beating estimates of another drop.

"There is now some solid evidence that the period of economic free-fall is now behind us, that the next step will be a slower rate of decline," said Nigel Gault, chief U.S. economist for consulting firm IHS Global Insight.

Gault predicted in an e-mail that the economy will bottom out in the second half of the year, cautioning that he did not believe the economy was yet ready to grow again.

Economists expect Friday's jobs report to show U.S. employers cut 654,000 jobs in March, with the unemployment rate rising to 8.5 percent from 8.1 percent, according to a survey by Thomson Reuters. Some economists estimate as many as 750,000 jobs lost for March.

Gault expects the unemployment rate eventually to rise to 10 percent before reversing.

Still, recent economic reports have indisputably been more positive. Earlier this week, pending home sales and construction spending both came in better than expected, and there have also been signs shoppers are loosening the death grip on their wallets.

"Some of the recent economic indicators have been more encouraging than they were in the winter, when every indicator pointed in the same direction: straight down," said Stuart Hoffman, chief economist at PNC Financial Services Group.

But layoffs continue to pile up. Last week alone, the Labor Department said, initial claims for unemployment insurance rose to a seasonally adjusted 669,000, the highest in a generation and up from the previous week.

And unemployed workers are having difficulty finding new jobs. The tally of laid-off workers claiming benefits for more than a week rose 161,000 to 5.73 million, setting a record for the 10th straight week.

While initial jobless claims reflect recent layoffs, the monthly jobs report takes into account new hires and calculates a net change.

Traditionally, the job market doesn't pick up until well after a recovery starts. The stock market, on the other hand, generally bottoms out before the economy does, and stocks have been on a steady march higher for three weeks.

The Dow Jones industrial average spent most of the trading day over 8,000, its first time in that territory since early February, then dipped to close at 7,978, a gain of 216 points, or almost 3 percent.

In downturns over the past 60 years, the Standard & Poor's 500 index has hit bottom an average of four months before a recession ended and about nine months before unemployment hit its peak.

Financial stocks led the rally on Wall Street after the board that sets U.S. accounting standards gave banks and other companies more leeway in how they value assets and report losses.

Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis also bolstered the financial markets when he told CNBC that the recession is "getting close to the bottom."

At the G-20, world leaders pledged $1.1 trillion in loans and guarantees to struggling countries and agreed to crack down on tax havens and hedge funds. But they remained divided on how to attack the global recession. The United States and Britain want more stimulus measures, while European politicians want more regulation.

The European Central Bank also agreed to cut a key interest rate to a record low of 1.25 percent. In the United States, the key Federal Reserve interest rate has been at a record low for more than three months.

Employers are eliminating jobs and taking other cost-cutting measures to deal with sharp reductions in consumer and business spending. The current recession, now in its 17th month, is the longest since World War II.

Just this week, 3M Co., the maker of Scotch tape, Post-It Notes and other products, said it will cut 1,200 jobs, or 1.5 percent of its work force, because of the global economic slump. That includes hundreds in 3M's home state of Minnesota.

Companies reduced their payrolls by 651,000 jobs in February, a record third straight month of job losses above 600,000. As a proportion of the work force, the number of people on the jobless rolls is the highest since May 1983.

If job losses in the U.S. continue to mount, it could derail the "little flicker of light we've seen in the economic data," said Carl Riccadonna, senior U.S. economist at Deutsche Bank. That could mean a pullback in consumer spending and more late payments on credit cards, auto loans and other debt.

The Obama administration's $787 billion stimulus package, approved by Congress in February, is trying to counter the recession by providing money for public works projects, extending unemployment benefits and helping states avoid budget cuts.

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AP Business Writer Jane Wardell in London and Tim Paradis in New York contributed to this report.

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08:48 PM on 04/04/2009
HAs anyone noticed just when the economy started the downturn. Just about the middle of 2007! About six months after DemoRATs took control of Congress. Congress is the entity in charge of oversight of our financial institutio­ns through legislatio­n and enforcemen­t. Maybe, just maybe they might have been sleeping with the enemy through all of this (ergo, Wall Street)?
10:50 AM on 04/04/2009
Do not forget what the Repugs said when Obama became President:

"The crash of the stock market in the days since he took power can increasing­ly be attributed to his own failure to lead us in the right direction, his failed policies in addressing the recession and his own spreading of panic and fear. The market collapse makes it evident that it is Obama who is the problem."

Soon they will be claiming the stock market gains can't possibly be attributed to President Obama's policies or to his economic team.
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04:21 PM on 04/03/2009
I have not heard the media mention the hidden agenda of many companies: layoff or terminate older, disabled (post-empl­oyment), unhealthy (big use of insurance) and otherwise "protected­" employees under the ruse of "restructu­ring" in response to the economy. I know that my former employer of 24.4 used this economy as a means to layoff two disabled, 3 unhealthy, and 4 over 50 staffers while maintainin­g and hiring in "unprotect­ed" new employees. My former employer did not have any issue with running in or near the red, it simply wanted to rid itself of its undesirabl­es while they could potentiall­y get away with it. The other thing I have not heard mentioned is that employees of companies which did pay severance were prevented from filing for unemployme­nt until AFTER their severance pay was exhausted. Therefore, the "increase" in the number of filers may reflect a number of employees who are now eligible for benefits, but were actually laid off weeks and months ago. Where is investigat­ive reporting today? This is truly not rocket science.
01:06 AM on 04/04/2009
Good point,ther­e isn't much if any investigat­ing reporting anymore,we relied on pundits and comedians.
08:04 PM on 04/04/2009
What? You expect to hear that all those layoffs the minute we entered into troubled times were the result of companies taking advantage of the situation? Some honest to God real reporting rather than the dog and pony show of changing scandal each week to keep us distracted from what is happening? Pfffft, who wants that? Besides, I'm not completely sure most of the news shows can do that sort of thing anymore.

And you know, I'm curious. How did those decisions about who to lay off come about so quickly anyway? Those thousands of employees in a matter of days...

Hmmmm. A hat? A dartboard.­.. a pre made list? Yeah. Those lying *ahem*

But remember, we pay the executives the BIG BUCKS because they make those tough decisions for the good of the company. Yeppers.

Now say it with me..."Is this good for the company...­"
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11:52 AM on 04/03/2009
"Recession over?" Please send me some of what you are smoking.
11:47 AM on 04/03/2009
"signs recession nears bottom." April Fools day was yesterday!
12:44 PM on 04/03/2009
At least we are back above 8000! Woohoo it is a sign of hope that we are not in a depression where things keep getting worse and worse.

http://www­.TheCommen­tDepot.com
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04:23 PM on 04/03/2009
Jobs are always a lagging indicator. It will take a while before jobs improve, but we can take heart with the other earlier indicators­. Half full, not half empty glass for me.
02:43 AM on 04/03/2009
I'm afeared things are going to get worse. Are there any adults in charge?
01:01 AM on 04/03/2009
To quote a great Dylan song...EVE­RYTHINGS BROKEN.
11:39 PM on 04/02/2009
I know some people say the economy gets better before unemployme­nt goes down.But don't people have to have jobs first to spend money.
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04:27 PM on 04/03/2009
People are and will be spending savings, cashed-out 401(k) and unemployme­nt funds, including part-timer­s. The unemployed will also enjoy a bit more money than pre-stimul­us days. Also, the 65% COBRA subsidy has now kicked in. I was to pay $592 for COBRA, but yesterday was advised that it will now be $207 due to the stimulus subsidy. That means I will now have approximat­ely $400 more to spend elsewhere in the economy. It's all good.
01:00 AM on 04/04/2009
That's all temporary,­people need jobs to spend.
11:11 PM on 04/02/2009
It is easy to "beat expectatio­ns" when your expectatio­ns are always...a­nd convenient­ly wrong on the low side.
10:53 PM on 04/02/2009
Is this one o those "light at the end of the tunnel" Kissinger moments?
09:53 PM on 04/02/2009
The Associated Press sees "signs recession nears bottom." There were two major data releases this morning.

The first was weekly unemployme­nt claims. The number for the week was 669,000, near the high for the downturn. In addition, the prior weeks number was revised up from 652,000 to 657,000. That doesn't look too encouragin­g.

The bright spot cited by AP was that durable goods orders were up 1.8 percent, slightly higher than the consensus estimate of 1.5 percent. Of course, the data was also accompanie­d by a downward revision of the January data from a decline of 1.9 percent to 3.5 percent. This means that the orders data for February were 1.3 percent lower than expected by the consensus among economic forecaster­s. If we get too much more good news like this, we will all be unemployed­.

--Dean Baker
10:13 PM on 04/02/2009
Economy always starts to get better before employment does, just the way it goes.
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04:30 PM on 04/03/2009
Many unemployed have to wait to file until their severance, vacation and other pay is exhausted. Former co-workers laid off weeks ago have just filed their UE claim this past Monday (in a new month altogether­). The facts are not well broken down or explained. Lazy MSM.
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09:21 PM on 04/02/2009
Oh look. A p1g. Flying.
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07:49 PM on 04/02/2009
More layoffs = more bad news in the Bush depression­.
07:44 PM on 04/02/2009
Just some FYI-

new main.

(Obama breaks up a spat....Pe­ople..I love this man....i can't even take it! :-))
07:52 PM on 04/02/2009
I thought that was pretty cool too... and he even had them laughing and having a good time...

I for one am proud of my vote
07:55 PM on 04/02/2009
They were like "hamming it up" together..­.what a guy!
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07:56 PM on 04/02/2009
He did not threaten anyone to get it done either!
I am out of words to describe my feelings for our President! Oh joy!
07:41 PM on 04/02/2009
ZachiganJF­rog

You are right. You are Neo, and you outed yourself a few pages back.

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Please post this alleged informatio­n. Unlike many here, I am but ToL1.
07:42 PM on 04/02/2009
(yawn)
07:44 PM on 04/02/2009
Please tell me you didn't get scrubbed too?
07:45 PM on 04/02/2009
Just keep yawning, because you obviously have no proof.