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PHUONG LE | April 5, 2009 09:35 PM EST | AP

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GRAHAM, Wash. — A man who fatally shot his five children and killed himself had just discovered his wife was leaving him for another man, authorities said Sunday.

The bodies of James Harrison's children, ages 7 to 16, were found with multiple gunshot wounds Saturday in the family's mobile home, most of them in their beds. Harrison's body had been found earlier in the day with a self-inflicted gunshot wound, behind the wheel of his idling car.

The night before, the father and his eldest daughter went in search of his wife, Angela Harrison. The daughter used a GPS feature in her mother's cell phone to find her with another man at a convenience store in nearby Auburn, said Ed Troyer, spokesman for the Pierce County Sheriff.

The woman told her husband she was not coming home, and was leaving him for the man with her at the store. The father and the daughter left, distraught, Troyer said.

Sometime after the children went to sleep, he shot each of them multiple times. Four died in their beds. The fifth was found in the bathroom, surrounded by signs of violent struggle.

"He wanted the kids dead," Troyer said. "It wasn't like he shot a few rounds. He shot several rounds."

Investigators believe he then returned to the area near the convenience store looking for his wife. His body was found near the store, Troyer said.

"We think he was going to go back to kill the wife," Troyer said. "He probably didn't find her and realized the gravity of what he'd done and shot himself."

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Several weapons were found in the home.

Authorities have not released the names of the family. Relatives identified the couple as Angela and James Harrison and the children as Maxine, Samantha, Heather, Jamie and James.

Ryan Peden, Maxine's classmate, had said she told him Friday night that her parents had gotten into a fight and her mother had left. The father followed the mother and tried to get her to return, Peden said.

"Maxine texted me at 11 p.m. Friday. She said: "I'm tired of crying. I'm going to bed,'" he said. His text to her the next day went unanswered.

Candy Johnson, an aunt of the mother, described Harrison as a strict, controlling husband and father who didn't allow his wife to make decisions without asking him first.

"My niece has been so controlled from the time she was young," Johnson said, adding that Harrison had impregnated Angela when she was 13.

State child welfare officials put Harrison on a parenting plan in 2007 after a "minor assault" on one of the children, Troyer said, adding that the father agreed to the plan and the case was closed.

Ron Vorak, who lives across the street from the family's trailer at the Deer Run mobile home park, said he called 911 at about 3:20 p.m. Saturday after one of the family's relatives couldn't get anyone to answer the door.

"He knocked on the door, and knocked on a couple of windows," Vorak said of the relative. "He walked around the side of the house, looked into the window. He could see somebody laying on the bed."

The home, about 15 southeast of Tacoma, became a makeshift memorial Sunday as neighbors left cards and bouquets of flowers. School officials said they were arranging to have grief counselors available when teachers and students returned Monday.

"We're going to try to get through this the best we can given the circumstances," said Jeff Davis, Orting School District superintendent. "In a small community like this, we know these kids. Teachers know the kids. All the kids know the kids."

Davis said the eldest, Maxine, was a 10th grader at Orting High School. Jamie was in the eighth grade and her sister Samantha in the sixth grade at Orting Middle School. The two youngest, Heather and James, were second-graders at Orting Primary School.

The father worked as a diesel mechanic, and the mother works at Wal-Mart, said another of Angela Harrison's aunts, Penny Flansburg. Troyer, however, said the father worked as a security guard at a casino.

One neighbor, Sheree Lund, who lives in the mobile home park, signed a community notebook left in front of the family's house. She wrote: "God Bless the five little ones. God bring peace to Mom."

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Associated Press photographer Ted S. Warren contributed to this report.

GRAHAM, Wash. — A man who fatally shot his five children and killed himself had just discovered his wife was leaving him for another man, authorities said Sunday. The bodies of James Harrison's...
GRAHAM, Wash. — A man who fatally shot his five children and killed himself had just discovered his wife was leaving him for another man, authorities said Sunday. The bodies of James Harrison's...
 
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Key words: TRAILER PARK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 04/05/2009
- MizLiz I'm a Fan of MizLiz 59 fans permalink
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I lived for almost a year in a 20-foot motor home with two school-age children, i husband, and a large dog. That tried my sanity many times. Five kids? God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 04/05/2009

Have anything intelligent to say? Didn't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 04/05/2009

No. Key words: Family Annihilator

It was a double wide manufactured home, in a nicely kept up park. Here are some pictures of the area. Let's not insult the many people who live in these homes and don't kill their children in an act of revenge against their spouses.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/42480277.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 04/05/2009
- cuomofied I'm a Fan of cuomofied 19 fans permalink

Thank you for not being a hypocrite lefty. It is appreciated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 04/05/2009
- sacrebleu I'm a Fan of sacrebleu 11 fans permalink
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Thanks for posting this link to the Newsweek article about family annihilators a few pages back in this thread. Worth reposting (imho):

http://www.newsweek.com/id/185440

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 04/05/2009

Ket words: poverty and hopelessness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 04/05/2009

Abuse and revenge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 04/05/2009
- cuomofied I'm a Fan of cuomofied 19 fans permalink

Oh you silly liberals (and no, I'm no repub, either.)

Always standing up for the little guy, unless the little guy is white, male, or a high-school drop out.

We love everyone, except we don't. The hypocrisy is just as bad as the right, maybe even worse. Because it's founded on your ideas of reason and not blind ideological faith.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 04/05/2009
- Freenation I'm a Fan of Freenation 25 fans permalink

More gun violence..­.3 incidences in 3 days...thi­s is just unbelievab­le....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 04/05/2009
- cuomofied I'm a Fan of cuomofied 19 fans permalink

There's gun violence every day. You're hearing more about it because this is a deliberate attempt to start taking away people's firearms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 04/05/2009
- Aranxa I'm a Fan of Aranxa 5 fans permalink

If people are going to go around murdering their children, police and people taking citizen classes en mass on a daily basis I'm all for taking away their firearms. There is such as thing as abusing a privilege!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 04/05/2009
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Nobody is trying to take your gun away! What we do want is for people to have to prove that they're not insane before someone sells them one. Most people that own guns wouldn't dream of using them on people unless their life was threatened. But there are plenty out there that are off their rockers. And if you had to go through a tougher screening process, many of those people wouldn't qualify to own one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 04/05/2009

So give me a number: how many gun related deaths are you OK with as long as they don't "take your guns away"?
My guess is, you don't even have a tipping point. You seem OK with the idea that massacres may occur, as long as you can have your guns. In fact, you seem to believe if everyone were armed, then no one would ever get shot. Correct?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 04/05/2009

And we should take firearms away from people. Every country that does this has far lower murder rates as a direct result. It's time to admit that the founding fathers crafted the second amendment in an entirely different world than the one we live in today, it's time to stop pretending that it should be just as valid in 2009 as it was in the 1780's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 04/05/2009

huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 04/05/2009
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Men need to clean up their act and seriously learn other ways to deal with their emotions rather than shooting or dropping a bomb or launching a rocket or invading a sovereign nation to induce "shock and awe" .
Looking at the G-20 pictures with only two women it is clear that the world will continue to use systemized violence to achieve its aims.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 04/05/2009
- dutchman I'm a Fan of dutchman 351 fans permalink
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While I concede most violent offenders are men, most men are not violent. Painting with an overly broad brush often distorts the picture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 04/05/2009
- tierone I'm a Fan of tierone 44 fans permalink
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And sometimes that brush is just plain NEEDED.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 04/05/2009
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THe second part of your statement can be seen as a "broad brush". A woman is battered every 5 minutes in the US by husband, bf, lover etc....who is doing this?

One is either acting out violently or consuming violence -sports, video games etc...it all feeds the same problem .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 04/05/2009

i find it interesting that when a mother MURDERS her children, she is psychoanalyzed and given the benefit of the doubt on being 'mentally ill' while a father is a 'rotten murderer'. we need to re-evaluate who we are as a society. mother or father, if you MURDER your children, you're a MURDERER- nothing less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 04/05/2009
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Total oversimplification, and unfair.

Over and over, we see these horrific cases of men who "punish" their wives/ ex-wives by annihilating their children. Women rarely do this: It's a crime of male rage against a woman who challenges his authority. It's the ultimate tantrum by a man against the woman.

Have women killed their children? Yes, but not usually as an act of vengeance. The cases you refer to often involve seriously mentally ill women, with observable psychosis. Some men who murder also hear voices, think the Devil is in their kids, etc. etc. Mental illness isn't gender specific, tragically.

But these kind of murders -- the killing of non-custodial children, or killing the kids to punish the mother, as if children were chattel the father can dispose of to strike at the mother -- they happen with such regularity as to make every instance of "missing father with kids" terrifying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 04/05/2009
- Aranxa I'm a Fan of Aranxa 5 fans permalink

I'm a professional in the legal field of child abuse. Professionally speaking SG you are completely spot on in your analysis. Thanks for your clarity of input.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 04/05/2009

or mothers drowning their children (6 times just this year) to punish divorced husbands..­.

oh, that's detrimental to your argument? so sorry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 04/05/2009
- kendraro I'm a Fan of kendraro 8 fans permalink
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I think if you you murder your children you are by default mentally ill - though I'm sure the legal system doesn't deal with people that way - sane people don't go murder their kids.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 04/05/2009
- nomoredead I'm a Fan of nomoredead 10 fans permalink

We put a sin tax on alcohol and tobacco so why not a huge tax on gun ownership ? The cost of gunshot emergency room visits by the uninsured in Los Angeles is enormous.
A tax when you buy it and a tax each year.
Use the money to fund some mental health facilities.
Make permits extremely hard to get with a year wait.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 04/05/2009
- MizLiz I'm a Fan of MizLiz 59 fans permalink
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That would help a lot, nomore! Waiting three days isn't nearly long enough...a person can nourish their rage for that long. One year? I rather doubt it. Everything could change for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 04/05/2009
- SoCalNick I'm a Fan of SoCalNick 80 fans permalink
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Once again a ONE sided mentality. Make it harder for HONEST people to protect their homes so only Criminals have weapons.

Picture this...two men waltz into you home with illegal guns. Sit you on your couch at gunpoint and make you watch them brutalize your wife and daughters over and over while YOU are waiting another 6 months for your LEGAL permit to come in because YOU voted for that.

Sobering thought isn't it. If not then you do not live in reality. Once the crooks know we are not armed then why not kick in a few doors.

Kick in MY door and you will be met with a wall of hot lead. It is THAT fact that keeps them from doing it.

You get your way and we are doomed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 04/05/2009
- Pancake I'm a Fan of Pancake 8 fans permalink

GEEZZZ! I sure am glad I don't live in your neighborhood! D-a-m-n! You only thing that stands between you and your family being brutalized is that your gun isn't being taxed and you didn't have to wait six months for a permit. I would move if I were you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 04/05/2009

SoCalNick, have you ever had someone invade your home while you were in it? We have. It happens so quickly that even if you sleep with your firearm in your hand ready to shoot, you might end up with the weapon being taken from you and used against you.

I choose not to live in that state of paranoia or fear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 04/05/2009
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A more likely scenerio: You DO keep a gun at the ready! No armed invaders "waltz into your house," but your teenager, suffering from a bad romance, or a cruel taunt over the Internet, takes your gun and blows out his/ her brains.

That, my friend, is much more statistically LIKELY as result of keeping a gun where you'd actually be able to get to it (already loaded???) when that rare home invasion happens.

P.S. You are also much more likely to kill one of your kids accidentally than EVER find yourself killing an assailant. Or you might shoot your wife during an argument..­.

NRA must stop arguing that the boogeyman will get us if we don't have a loaded gun and tell gun owners the real risks of having a firearm in the house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 04/05/2009
- kendraro I'm a Fan of kendraro 8 fans permalink
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you or someone in your family is much more likely to be accidentally shot with your gun than you are to use it for protection.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 04/05/2009
- apoyo I'm a Fan of apoyo 40 fans permalink

The Wild Wild West Mentality.

Even Wyatt Earp didn't allow guns in his town.
Maybe he had something there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 04/05/2009

Yes! And, as Chris Rock said, make bullets cost $5,000 each!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 04/05/2009

I'm sure no gun advocate, but bullets at $5K each make it so that only the most successful drug dealers (and other thugs) can afford them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 04/05/2009
- cuomofied I'm a Fan of cuomofied 19 fans permalink

Here's an idea - let the wounded, uninsured criminals die.

Then they stop coming back.

Simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 04/05/2009
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Oh yeah! Our War on Drugs is Sooooooo successful that we should use it as a model for starting a War on Guns!

This would only mean that the law abiding would not have guns and the criminals would have business as usual! Real useful.

Canadians own guns at a similar rate to Americans, but their gun violence rate is WAY less than the US.

I believe this is more about our culture and how we care for "the least of these my brothers" than it is about who owns guns and who doesn't. If we took care of people the way we should, from mental health care to decent jobs to schools where BULLYING is Not allowed, and more, we would stop a lot of this violence BEFORE it started!

I also agree with the previous poster that the political rhetoric on radio and TV in America has gone way beyond what is reasonable and thoughtful and has moved to INCITEMENT! Stop it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 04/05/2009
- panurse I'm a Fan of panurse 18 fans permalink
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I agree. although i believe in outlawing firearms. period. I have cared for the victims of shootings & the devistation that follows. Many innocent lives are affected by these thugs. Other countries in the world outlaw weapons- why can't we? Our society is a shameful example to the rest of the world. I'm certainly not proud of that. Follow the lead of progressive countries whose citizens can live without looking over their shoulder in fear. God help us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 04/05/2009
- 4 Real I'm a Fan of 4 Real 58 fans permalink
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Here's an interesting read about fathers murdering their kids.

http://neurologicalcorrelates.com/wordpress/2008/05/15/why-do-men-kill-their-family/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 04/05/2009

Thank you. And here's another article about family annihilators.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 04/05/2009

Ahem. As I said . . .
http://www.newsweek.com/id/185440

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 04/05/2009
- roshni I'm a Fan of roshni 167 fans permalink

Thanks both for your postings about family annihilators.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 04/05/2009

IF YOU KNOW OF A CHILD BEING ABUSED DON'T WRITE IT OFF AS "NOT MY PROBLEM". DON'T ASSUME THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS DEALING WITH IT. AND DON'T ASSUME THAT CPS IS DOING THE RIGHT THING.

If you know about it it IS YOUR problem. As adults we have to protect all children. As a society we have forgotten that it takes a VILLAGE to raise a child....

Five children are dead because someone said "it's not my problem".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 04/05/2009

I agree, but could you be specific, please? After calling CPS, which people did in this case, what would you have done for this family? I mean no snark, I just think people need concrete ideas.
And I agree with you about Child Protective Services, which imho is an oxymoron in the state of WA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 04/05/2009

Someone did call CPS. After that, you are legally barred from interfering in any way other than being a friendly adult. That's why it is so horrible how understaffed and underdeveloped CPS is. I have called CPS more than once and suffered realizing that beyond a visit to their home nothing was going to happen.

I do think adults should all know about the concept of the "enlightened witness." According to Alice Miller children who are being abused can escape cycles of abuse if they have at least one enlightened witness in their lives-- someone who listens to them, believes them, and is there for them. We need to realize the tremendous power of being available for children.

But unfortunately in situations of real abuse CPS is legally speaking the only option a regular person has.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 04/05/2009
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When my daughter was ten, one of her friends was being sexually abused by a fifteen year old stepbrother. Instead of calling CPS, I called the school and talked to the principal. He was able to get CPS involved immediately because he had more clout than an "ordinary" citizen like me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 04/05/2009
- PSM42 I'm a Fan of PSM42 20 fans permalink
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Surely it couldn't be the economy? No job? No hope? Eleven here. Fourteen there. Five more. Pretty soon it adds up to real people.

Gee. Thanks, Ne0c0ns.

No banker left behind. - http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090331_in_for_a_penny_in_for_298_trillion/

The Exiled's view - http://exiledonline.com/class-war-101-meet-the-reptiles-who-are-making-meat-out-of-you/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 04/05/2009
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3 senseless massacres in 3 days.
Yes, guns certainly do not kill people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 04/05/2009
- Bitsko I'm a Fan of Bitsko 502 fans permalink
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It's those pesky bullets that do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 04/05/2009
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What we need is ... Bullet Control - Chris Rock -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFcVwDw4YLE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 04/05/2009
- Boadicea I'm a Fan of Boadicea 64 fans permalink

Charge the mother.

She left her 5 children overnight in the hands of a known abuser. She knew what she was doing. This guy had already been fingered by neighbors and Child Protection Services several times. The mother, after a fight with the father, took off in anger and didn't come home. Leaving her children with an angry abusive father.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 04/05/2009
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Of course.
Blame the mother for forcing her husband to pull the trigger numerous times.
Guns don't kill people.
Feel better now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 04/05/2009

When mothers kill their children, everyone blames 'post-partem depression' and 'the difficulties of being a mother and a woman'. look up ALL the examples ol mothers MURDERING their children in the last 10 years. in each and every case, the woman sees time in a mental facility and then gets out.

the men end up on death row. there is a double-standard. accept that so we can fix it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 04/05/2009
- 4 Real I'm a Fan of 4 Real 58 fans permalink
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I hope that was snark, because if you are serious, that is the most asinine statement I have ever heard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 04/05/2009

negative. i'm tired of giving mothers a free pass when they put their children in the hands of known abusers. she is as much to blame. that's not 'snark', HONEY, that's REALITY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 04/05/2009
- AurigaRa I'm a Fan of AurigaRa 27 fans permalink

no different than the guy in Binghamtom.
Senseless murders. Domestic terrorism.
But heaven help we spend any time or money on what's killing us from INSIDE

And thank you NRA and Rush Limbaugh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 04/05/2009

Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 04/05/2009

It appears that most, if not all, of the recent mass murders are the results of unaddressed mental health issures. Since Reagan, the mental health community has been adversely impacted. Even after suicide attempts, and other violent acts, help cannot be found for many people who need it. Even people who know they need help and seek it, cannot locate adequate affordable treatment. This is just one more area of health care that has been neglected over the past 30 years. There is no method of hospitalizing a person against their will, either. Even if the families of these recent attackers had searched for a way to stop these people, I doubt that could have accomplished it.

Yes, we will see more of this, I believe, because the stresses of our economic meltdown, coupled with some of our news outlets and politicians seemingly encouraging violence, will provoke some of those will deep mental problems to do the unthinkable. I have been around a long time, and have never seen a time when TV news and our political leaders spread toxic messages, as they do today. This is the worst time for that to happen, with so many people in bad situations. I fear for our country, and its people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 04/05/2009
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Montana, thank you for your words of sanity and common sense. Guns have become so politicized, people are irrational on the subject. It's become one of those hot-button issues right-wingers rely on to activate their "base".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 04/05/2009

Mental health treatment is one thing, but several of these killings were done by people with no previous history and no outward signs of derangement. I do not think these killers would avail themselves of help if it were available, they just seemed to snap all at once ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 04/05/2009
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Rush, Glen Beck, Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Michelle Bachman, Rick Santelli, and all of the the provocateurs of violence share blame for occurances of this type.

They should be held accountable for inciting this hysteria.

This is not about guns, this is about the acceptance and provocation of violence as a method of problem resolution. It is about provoking violence over reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 04/05/2009
- MizLiz I'm a Fan of MizLiz 59 fans permalink
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I beg to differ. Many people find killing with a gun easy. Killing up close with their hands or a knife? not so easy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 04/05/2009
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Yes....pro­blem resolution. How many movies and tv shows have you seen where the "hero" pulls out his gun and shoots the "bad guy" down? And walks away? It always amazes me that there's no repercussuions shown, no remorse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 04/05/2009
- jwatso7 I'm a Fan of jwatso7 23 fans permalink

How many people have died in this country in the past 4 weeks at the hands of guns? Where is the outrage?! Where is the call for gun control? European nations have one incident like this and they instantly change their gun laws, because they recognize the insanity of it all. But here, we just let it happen and happen and happen and happen. What gets me is that the same people who fight tooth and nail to keep guns in the hands of citizens are the same ones who spew pro-life rhetoric. If we value life, we shouldn't just try to stop abortion, we should try to stop random mass shootings. The hypocrisy of my own country disgusts me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 04/05/2009

"European nations have one incident like this and they instantly change their gun laws, because they recognize the insanity of it all. "

that's because they don't have a little something called "the 2nd amendment" to hide behind.

maybe one day we'll see that essentially writing guns into the charter of the country was a bad idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 04/05/2009

And most sensible gun owners, like us, would be glad to have tighter gun controls. Why dont people have to take a 6 week class on guns; shooting, cleaning, safety, ect.? I learned this growing up with hunters and a parent in law enforcement. But any angry, disenfranchised, jack*ss can go get a gun and kill a bunch of folks in a standoff and then kill themselves. How is this different than suicide bombers; we need to address this domestic terrorism. During the election is seems that that is all anyone could talk about. I know a gun class wouldn't solve everything, but it would prevent accidents and perhaps divert psychos. But how about some healthcare/mental health outreach? The fact that we call ourselves a superpower while people live is squalor is a joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 04/05/2009
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